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Ryan Fitzpatrick by the numbers
- Thread starter gtexan02
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Totally disagree
badboy
Hall of Fame
uh..the coach is afraid to see what an unknown can do..
My point which everyone seems to be ignoring is DB said he is one of the worst QBs and I disagreed. The issue seems now some want Fitz to start and some want Mallett. One of those who wants Fitz to start gets to actually say who starts. For me, it is odd to be on same side with the coach of Texans. It has been a long time.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I disagree with him and everyone who agrees with him as well. The fact is, we all tempered our expectations for THIS year. If we go 5-11 (not likely at this point) but figure out if we have a franchise QB or not and set ourselves up for next season and beyond, I take that 100/100 times. I keep saying it, if we go 10-6 and lose in the playoffs and still have no idea who our qb is going forward, what good does that do us? Why waste this year on FITZ, next year on Fitz/Savage/other and then take a third year to draft and prepare a rookie. Its a waste of time and waste of talent on this team. Push the pace and use this year to determine if Mallett is our guy. Best case scenario is, he rocks our socks and we sign him long term. Worst case, we go .500 and let him go. Either way we need to know.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
First, maybe McNair and OB have a "win now" mentality to try and erase the stench of last season. Not saying that is what they are doing, or that it is the right decision, just pointing out that the owner (business) and head coach (job security) may rather have a winning season to get the franchise back on track. Short sighted? Maybe.
Second, how can you say worse case .500? What do you know about Mallett that says if Fitz was replaced today that they would go 5-6 for the rest of the season? Do we so easily forget that we gave Keenum a shot last season and to see what he had and it ended up 0-8?
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Because Foster is playing this year and he, coupled with our defense wins games, not our qb. Case had to do much more last year to win games and he couldn't. Its amazing how so many keep acting like Fitz is doing anything to help this team win. The guy had 157 yards and an int last week, Im pretty confident Mallett or even Savage could match that.
Bigbots_02
Waterboy
After watching him, the ONLY things I like about Fitzpatrick is his ability to scramble when needed (not that he does it right) and he SEEMS to be composed no matter what he does (interceptions included).
He doesn't get a fire under his ass until we've already been scored on. I KNOW he's gonna throw interceptions... I'm more concerned with him throwing our offensive downs in the trash with stupid passes that shouldn't be thrown in the first place (throwing at the ground and not being under pressure) (jumping and throwing ect...)
If Fitz cant be his version of stellar (3-4 TD 1-2 Int) or even a consistently decent QB, Id go with Mallett before our season is too far gone. Id rather lose trying to win with an unknown then lose and know I'm going to simply because we gave it away... literally
He doesn't get a fire under his ass until we've already been scored on. I KNOW he's gonna throw interceptions... I'm more concerned with him throwing our offensive downs in the trash with stupid passes that shouldn't be thrown in the first place (throwing at the ground and not being under pressure) (jumping and throwing ect...)
If Fitz cant be his version of stellar (3-4 TD 1-2 Int) or even a consistently decent QB, Id go with Mallett before our season is too far gone. Id rather lose trying to win with an unknown then lose and know I'm going to simply because we gave it away... literally
silvrhand
All Pro
Look Fitz isn't magic, but look at what we have.
- receivers don't seem to be getting open at all, Andre included.
- TE's what are those, we surely haven't seen them catching balls.
- Our playcalling is very conservative.
- We have been shooting ourself on offense with penalties.
- offensive line is suspect, but hopefully improving.
- Fitz isn't the most accurate QB in the world.
You combine all of the things above and you get a stagnant offense.
- receivers don't seem to be getting open at all, Andre included.
- TE's what are those, we surely haven't seen them catching balls.
- Our playcalling is very conservative.
- We have been shooting ourself on offense with penalties.
- offensive line is suspect, but hopefully improving.
- Fitz isn't the most accurate QB in the world.
You combine all of the things above and you get a stagnant offense.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Receivers are open, Fitz is missing them
Fitz is the one not throwing to TEs and I think its because he isn't progressing through his reads
Play calling IMO only seems conservative because Fitz cannot read a defense
Penalties, I will give you are a team problem
the Line has been above average. They will never be perfect, they are not an issue
This is another big problem, his accuracy
So what does all this equal? Our qb is whats wrong with this offense. Plain and simple.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Why are you pretty confident? What is the basis for your position, other than they are not Ryan Fitzpatrick?
I'm not arguing that Fitz is anything other than what he is, but I don't get this confidence, this surety that Mallett or Savage could win games when they have done nothing as of yet to provide any evidence to support the position.
If we want to have another Keenum moment where we throw one of them out there and see what happens, that is one thing. Maybe we get pleasantly surprised. But to say that it is a foregone conclusion that they could guide this team to 8-8 just like Fitz? Again, not seeing the proven performance to match the argument.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Im confident because Fitz has done NOTHING. What has he done that you don't think Mallett or Savage could do?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
That is a straw man. It doesn't matter what I "think" they can or can't do. I can point to his career trajectory along with his current year stats that align with that, and say "this is what we are going to get from Fitz". What can you point to with Mallett and Savage and say the same thing? You can't. It is a big ol' question mark and risk that apparently Mcnair and O'Brien are not prepared to take at this point.
And again for emphasis, I'm not saying that Fitz is the answer for this team. I'm simply pointing out the fallacy of your argument that Mallett and/or Savage would do the same if not better when you have nothing to base that on. You are hoping that they would, and you are willing to accept a worse performance in order to know for certain what you would get from them, but that's it.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Considering there isn't a qb in the league playing much worse than Fitz, I stand by my statement that no matter who we throw back there, it cannot get worse. For comparison, Fitz and Case (last season) are playing equal. That's how I know it can't get worse.
The difference? Arian Foster.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's hardly nothing. 8000 qbs have come through the league and done as well as Fitz or better. His play is mediocre rookie play. It's horrid as a 10 year vet. But of course there is no certainty.
Check out some true rookie 3rd or later picks like Mike Glennon, Kirk Cousins, T.J. Yates, Nick Foles, Matt McGloin, etc.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
This bolded is simply a bunch of hooey...You can't possibly know any of this and our offensive line struggles are pretty evident. If you can't see this, then you're just not watching.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You said the same thing last year with Keenum...and all we kept seeing him do was lose and look more inept than Schaub at times....& no Fitz and Keenum aren't playing equal...Fitz has already won 3 more games than Keenum did..
Foster has won more games this year than Keenum last year. That's the difference.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Even the commentators are talking about how Fitz locks on and doesn't see the field.
TEs are self evident.
Yes the OL is decent not great.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
So what do you guys think is gonna happen when we put Savage or Mallet back there? They won't do any of these things? Highly likely that they'll do all that as well & we're back to square 1.
& him not throwing to the TE's...you still can't ascertain whether that's completely on him or not...Too many factors. The playcalling's been conservative, the TE's really haven't been healthy & as you've noted the OL's barely been decent. & that's only b/c Arian's ypc 2 out of the 3 games he's been active has been great. The few times Fitz has tried to sit back & stretch the field throwing deep he's either had someone bearing down if not outright hitting him or he's had to scramble b/c there's been no time to sit back there & let things develop. The o-line's pass pro has been suspect as hell.
No i don't believe that he's all that good, but i also don't think that Savage or Mallett at this point in time would do much if any better either.
Sure we could catch lighting in a bottle with Savage or Mallett, but i could also hit the lotto too. I'll trust BoB in that he knows neither of those 2 are ready to take the reigns..
We don't believe they could be worse.
We don't believe Fitz can get better.
Do you think they could be worse, if so, how much worse?
Do you think it is possible they could be better, if so, how much better?
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
It's certainly possible that they could be better. It's also certainly possible that they could be worse. Fitz has turned over the ball too much, but his efficiency is at just a smidge below middle of the pack compared to the league average. We certainly aren't trotting Andrew Luck out there, but it's not like we're trotting Geno Smith or Matt Cassel out there either.
GNTLEWOLF
Rookie
Is this one of those threads where some one is trying to use stats to make Ryan Fitzpatrick look better than the worst QB to ever start for several different NFL teams and still not be any good?
BTW this years team is healthier than last years was, and Arian Foster and JJ Watt have been the only reasons the Texans have even been close in any game.
BTW this years team is healthier than last years was, and Arian Foster and JJ Watt have been the only reasons the Texans have even been close in any game.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Mallet i envision airmailing alot of throws..which comes with lots of picks..
Savage ..Take a peek at Keenum's last 2 games as a starter...Now switch the #7 with the #3 that's what you'll likely see with Savage right now. Lots of holding onto the ball too long b/c he's not sure of what he's seeing and sack fumbles...he's just not ready.
So while we see Fitz throwing ducks, not utilizing the middle of the field and (hard to say if that's really on him) the overall offense just being stagnant in the 1st quarter, we'd likely see that for the entire game with Mallett or Savage...except there'd be no furious comebacks at the end of games.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Considering their experience i'd say its likely they'll be worse.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
More than most in the league? Seriously, we aren't talking about replacing game manager Alex Smith or Russell Wilson here.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
It's like having two guys you can use for a pinch hitter . Both bat 150 but one has really good power and if he does hit it , he can get you a run .
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I would be inclined to agree with you. There seems to be a lot of people on the board who don't really expect Mallett to be any better. They just want to know once and for all. Reminds me of the Keenum situation last year except Mallett isn't a local kid so he doesn't have quite the cult following.
Fitzpatrick doesn't even airmail a lot of throws, yet he throws a lot of interceptions.
I still don't see why Mallett can't start over FItz.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Mallett had documented accuracy issues coming out of college and depending on who you listen to and read, Although his accuracy had improved, he still needed to make strides there when he was in NE....along with his decision making. Of course all this is based on preseason tape and very limited regular season snaps so....
Having said that, It's my personal opinion that most guys with live arms like him tend to have trouble harnessing that power and many times the ball sails on them b/c they're trying to take a bit of off it..or they're simply throwing too hard to where they can't control it due to adrenaline. So rather than throwing it, they are sort of aiming it many times which is a cardinal sin for throwing any kind of ball.
You see it alot with Cutler and Locker...you saw it alot with Jamarcus Russell too.
Between 2 QB's with accuracy issues, I rather go with the one I don't know for sure sucks. Shitzpatrick sucks, plain and simple. We don't know if Mallet sucks and that's what a lot of us wants to find out.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
His preseason tape looked GOOD. If you just look at the stats, you see too many incompletions... but if you watch those games, he was hitting guys who either weren't looking or didn't make the catch. From what I saw of him this preseason, he was more accurate than Fitzy AND had a much stronger arm. And when I say "much", I mean "infinitely."
I also saw him making the right reads.
From what I've seen of his preseason tape (granted, it was preseason), he's an above-average, NFL-caliber QB and that's much better than Fitzpatrick.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not a great fan of Solomon.........but this is a well thought out writing that is hard to argue with.
THE REST OF THE STORY
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Tell us something we didn't know Jeromy...
Do your eyes tell you that Fitzpatrick is getting better, worse, or the same?
Looks to me that O'Brien has taken Fitz back to being a rookie. He instituted a game plan that you'd give a rookie back against Washington & it looks like the game plan has been expanding ever since (to me).
What do you guys think?
Looks to me that O'Brien has taken Fitz back to being a rookie. He instituted a game plan that you'd give a rookie back against Washington & it looks like the game plan has been expanding ever since (to me).
What do you guys think?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It looks like conservative playcalling that he would likely call regardless of who was back there is what it looks like. Part of it is yes, he's trying to control Fitz's "WTF" moments but the other part of it is i believe is he's micromanaging the offense a little too much. he's got to open it up and sink or swim with his hand-picked stop gap qb.
Yep. I feel arguably the same about it as with Keenum.. If your protection sucks, then do something about it. At least Fitz has a real running game to play-fake off of. Why we haven't been able to consistently roll-out to open some throwing lanes is also a mystery.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
With Keenum I can see the argument for not overwhelming the noob with the full offense (although I largely feel that line of thinking is a mistake). But that shouldn't fly with a vet, especially one chosen for his ability to pick up things quickly.
This is the chicken and egg thing I mentioned. If you only play basic it's easier on the D, leading to poorer results with the basics and then under this conservative line of thinking...we just need to do the basics better before we open things up. It's almost self-fulfilling. Rather see it opened up and then pull back if need be.
Number19
Hall of Fame
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CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I've seen Kubiak and OB call offenses with at least capable QB's. I wouldn't call either conservative.
I'm not worried about OB as a play caller long term.
For this year, Fitz is the QB he's rolling with. That's not necessarily a black and white decision.
I'm not worried about OB as a play caller long term.
For this year, Fitz is the QB he's rolling with. That's not necessarily a black and white decision.
You missed this one.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Damn i felt like i was missing something
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick is one of seven NFL quarterbacks who have thrown at least seven interceptions this season. He's averaging one pick per 27.4 attempts, second worst only to Washington's benched Kirk Cousins, who had one per 22.7 among quarterbacks with at least 175 attempts.
Or maybe we've had really shitty qb play the last couple years?