Ryan Fitzpatrick by the numbers

[gtexan02]

I thought this was pretty interesting:

2011 - 62% completion percentage, 6.74 yards per attempt, 24 td, 23 INT, 79 QB Rat
2012 - 61% completion percentage, 6.73 yards per attempt, 24 td, 16 INT, 83 QB Rat
2013 - 62% completion percentage, 7.01 yards per attempt, 14 td, 12 INT, 82 QB Rat
2014 - 65% completion percentage, 7.71 yards per attempt, 5 td, 6 INT, 83 QB Rat

Since 2010, he has averaged ~3200 yards with ~21 tds, ~17 INTs
He is on pace for 3350 yards with 16 TDs and 19 INTs


The point of this is to highlight the fact that Fitzpatrick is a very consistently average QB and he is putting up a quintessential "Ryan Fitpzatrick" type season. About 3300 yards, about as many TDs as INTs, about an 82 QB rating. All the talk of how O'Brien is going to replace Fitz because of his play may be premature -- Fitz has been exactly who we thought he'd be. He's been a little worse on his TD/INT ratio (but we're only 5 games in) and a little better on comp % and his yards per attempt (again, give it a few more games)


I wouldn't expect to see a move unless he starts to really veer of his projection. I can't imagine Smith/BoB could have expected anything different from Fitz -- this is who he is.

 

[Lucky]

I wouldn't expect to see a move unless he starts to really veer of his projection. I can't imagine Smith/BoB could have expected anything different from Fitz -- this is who he is.

I think prior to actually seeing Fitz play in a Texan uniform, some of us felt he would improve due to the increased talent that surrounded him. That hasn't been the case, thus far.

 

[gtexan02]

I think prior to actually seeing Fitz play in a Texan uniform, some of us felt he would improve due to the increased talent that surrounded him. That hasn't been the case, thus far.

Yeah, it's an interesting situation we are in regarding that belief. I also was of the belief that being surrounded by better talent/coaching would help Fitz improve his numbers. But the reality is, we were a 2-14 team last year. How good is our talent, really?

Even if we do have good talent, Fitz is a 10 year vet and should be on the decline. How often do journeyman QBs find a home and prosper? It can't be a huge percentage. If he had all the tools necessary to be a successful QB, someone would have likely seen it at some point in his career.

I drank the kool aid from a big glass as well -- I think looking back, however, this is exactly what we should have all expected

 

[infantrycak]

Yeah, it's an interesting situation we are in regarding that belief. I also was of the belief that being surrounded by better talent/coaching would help Fitz improve his numbers. But the reality is, we were a 2-14 team last year. How good is our talent, really?

Good enough they only changed one of the starters around the QB.

Even if we do have good talent, Fitz is a 10 year vet and should be on the decline.

This premature aging of players has gotten out of hand.

I think looking back, however, this is exactly what we should have all expected

And that's why many predicted either a lackluster season or a QB change mid-season.

 

[IDEXAN]

Fitz certainly is the image of consistency.
But this is just another FYI this league is all about the QB. Just think if we had this exact same team but instead with a competent, talented QB. Clearly all the difference in the world.

 

[sandman]

I think prior to actually seeing Fitz play in a Texan uniform, some of us felt he would improve due to the increased talent that surrounded him. That hasn't been the case, thus far.

Talent is always going to be negated in some way by the implementation of a new system. Lots of returning starters on this offense, and five games in they still look like they haven't gelled, clicked or whatever turn of phrase that you want to use to say that they all "get it".

Personally, I would consider taking a long term "average" QB, putting him on a new team, have an entire offense in a new scheme, with a rookie HC who is doing double duty as the OC, and expect his stats/play to improve in the first five games of the season is having some very unrealistic expectations.

 

[sandman]

Fitz certainly is the image of consistency.
But this is just another FYI this league is all about the QB. Just think if we had this exact same team but instead with a competent, talented QB. Clearly all the difference in the world.

Well, let's just go get a competent, talented QB. Seems pretty easy.

 

[Mr teX]

Yeah, it's an interesting situation we are in regarding that belief. I also was of the belief that being surrounded by better talent/coaching would help Fitz improve his numbers. But the reality is, we were a 2-14 team last year. How good is our talent, really?

Even if we do have good talent, Fitz is a 10 year vet and should be on the decline. How often do journeyman QBs find a home and prosper? It can't be a huge percentage. If he had all the tools necessary to be a successful QB, someone would have likely seen it at some point in his career.

I drank the kool aid from a big glass as well -- I think looking back, however, this is exactly what we should have all expected

yeah, this is the boat i was in...& i'm honestly still unsure where we are TBH...In watching him i deem only 2 maybe 3 of the ints to be squarely on him..the offense as whole just hasn't really clicked yet. Our offense is also supposed to hang its hat on the running game & it seems we go as Foster's injury status goes not necessarily how Fitz plays. The team and Fitz's worst game to date was the Giants when Foster didn't play and Blue/Grimes couldn't pick up the slack.

But then If you flip it around and look at the games we've won, Fitz has made his share of plays with his legs at crucial times scrambling to extend drives.

I never thought he was going to come in here and have a Rich Gannon type revival after 10 years of sucking, but all of this points to 1 thing...the o-line; they just aren't playing well. Duane Brown has had 2 consecutive multiple penalty games already (uncharacteristic) and has not looked good at all this season the right guard situation is still unsettled. Even the TV telecast guys last week pointed it out how we were getting nothing running to the left side. Ironically Newton's play has been the least of our worries.

 

[infantrycak]

Even the TV telecast guys last week pointed it out how we were getting nothing running to the left side. Ironically Newton's play has been the least of our worries.

I think you meant right because they were repeatedly noting we were running well to the left and that is where Foster's big runs came. Brown and Fido sprung the longest.

 

[IDEXAN]

Well, let's just go get a competent, talented QB. Seems pretty easy.

Defining that goal or plan is simple, it's the execution part of it that's difficult. Just ask the Titans and Jags about that if you don't believe me.
BTW, anybody still wonder about the wisdom of using all of that cap space on a DLineman when what the team needs far worse for success is a QB ? JJ is tremendous, but misplaced priorities by the Texans.

 

[Playoffs]

Weren't there two batted pass INTs? Or am I mistaken?

 

[Dread-Head]

(ahem) "Na na na na. Na na na na. Hey hey hey...." bah you know the rest.

 

[silvrhand]

I thought this was pretty interesting:

2011 - 62% completion percentage, 6.74 yards per attempt, 24 td, 23 INT, 79 QB Rat
2012 - 61% completion percentage, 6.73 yards per attempt, 24 td, 16 INT, 83 QB Rat
2013 - 62% completion percentage, 7.01 yards per attempt, 14 td, 12 INT, 82 QB Rat
2014 - 65% completion percentage, 7.71 yards per attempt, 5 td, 6 INT, 83 QB Rat

Since 2010, he has averaged ~3200 yards with ~21 tds, ~17 INTs
He is on pace for 3350 yards with 16 TDs and 19 INTs


The point of this is to highlight the fact that Fitzpatrick is a very consistently average QB and he is putting up a quintessential "Ryan Fitpzatrick" type season. About 3300 yards, about as many TDs as INTs, about an 82 QB rating. All the talk of how O'Brien is going to replace Fitz because of his play may be premature -- Fitz has been exactly who we thought he'd be. He's been a little worse on his TD/INT ratio (but we're only 5 games in) and a little better on comp % and his yards per attempt (again, give it a few more games)


I wouldn't expect to see a move unless he starts to really veer of his projection. I can't imagine Smith/BoB could have expected anything different from Fitz -- this is who he is.

Which is an improvement on the hot mess we had last year.. sadly..

 

[Double Barrel]

I thought this was pretty interesting:

2011 - 62% completion percentage, 6.74 yards per attempt, 24 td, 23 INT, 79 QB Rat
2012 - 61% completion percentage, 6.73 yards per attempt, 24 td, 16 INT, 83 QB Rat
2013 - 62% completion percentage, 7.01 yards per attempt, 14 td, 12 INT, 82 QB Rat
2014 - 65% completion percentage, 7.71 yards per attempt, 5 td, 6 INT, 83 QB Rat

2011: 6-10
2012: 6-10
2013: 7-9
2014: 3-2

Based on the above trend, he could really reach his full potential and the Texans go 8-8 this season. Which wouldn't be a bad thing after last year, all thing considered.

The tough part about Fitz is that you want to root for him, both as a Texans fan and seeing the guy give 100% effort on the field. There is no doubt that he's got a lot of heart, and he seems like a solid dude.

The only problem is that 100% Fitz with a lot of heart is still one of the worst starting QBs in the league. A tiger can't change its stripes, and Fitz cannot be something that he's never been in a decade as a pro.

 

[infantrycak]

Which is an improvement on the hot mess we had last year.. sadly..

Arguable. It's a higher completion % with less ypg and almost double the INT % for essentially the same rating.

 

[disaacks3]

Arguable. It's a higher completion % with less ypg and almost double the INT % for essentially the same rating.

I guess it'd come down to the question of the percentage of Fitz' INTs that led directly to points. Schaub's were getting a little too direct.

 

[infantrycak]

I guess it'd come down to the question of the percentage of Fitz' INTs that led directly to points. Schaub's were getting a little too direct.

I was actually comparing to Keenum.

 

[jaayteetx]

Only one number Fitzmagic should have...2, where he belongs on any NFL depth chart. Any reason other than injury that he be higher is a failure on the team's management.

 

[badboy]

2011: 6-10
2012: 6-10
2013: 7-9
2014: 3-2

Based on the above trend, he could really reach his full potential and the Texans go 8-8 this season. Which wouldn't be a bad thing after last year, all thing considered.

The tough part about Fitz is that you want to root for him, both as a Texans fan and seeing the guy give 100% effort on the field. There is no doubt that he's got a lot of heart, and he seems like a solid dude.

The only problem is that 100% Fitz with a lot of heart is still one of the worst starting QBs in the league. A tiger can't change its stripes, and Fitz cannot be something that he's never been in a decade as a pro.

Fitz rated 14 out of 32 passing with same or fewer INTs than Matt Ryan, Bortles, Luck, Cutler and Brees; and only one more than Romo and Eli Manning all ranked above him.

His average per pass is equal to or better than seven above him. He has passed for more total yards than Bortles and Russell Wilson.

He in not even close to be one of the worst QB in league and yes I know these are not only traits of a QB. He is what was expected and earns his money.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

 

[markn]

2011: 6-10
2012: 6-10
2013: 7-9
2014: 3-2

Based on the above trend, he could really reach his full potential and the Texans go 8-8 this season. Which wouldn't be a bad thing after last year, all thing considered.

The tough part about Fitz is that you want to root for him, both as a Texans fan and seeing the guy give 100% effort on the field. There is no doubt that he's got a lot of heart, and he seems like a solid dude.

The only problem is that 100% Fitz with a lot of heart is still one of the worst starting QBs in the league. A tiger can't change its stripes, and Fitz cannot be something that he's never been in a decade as a pro.

Good post.

Essentially it's what I've been thinking, namely our ceiling with Fitzy is 8-8, or possibly 9-7 given our laughably soft schedule.

Like the guy, admire his effort. Next!

 

[sandman]

Only one number Fitzmagic should have...2, where he belongs on any NFL depth chart. Any reason other than injury that he be higher is a failure on the team's management.

So who should be the starter for this team?

 

[Mr teX]

Weren't there two batted pass INTs? Or am I mistaken?

right..1 in the bills game another in the giants game. The 2nd pick he threw where he threw it up to D-hop...that was more a great play by McKelvin than a bad decision by Fitz; i.e. you can't blame him for trying that. Hard to say who was at fault the 1 he threw in Dallas to Arian...miscommunication happens.

 

[Double Barrel]

Fitz rated 14 out of 32 passing with same or fewer INTs than Matt Ryan, Bortles, Luck, Cutler and Brees; and only one more than Romo and Eli Manning all ranked above him.

His average per pass is equal to or better than seven above him. He has passed for more total yards than Bortles and Russell Wilson.

He in not even close to be one of the worst QB in league and yes I know these are not only traits of a QB. He is what was expected and earns his money.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

You can watch your stats until your blue in the face, but they do not give you a full picture.

I will watch the games and see what most people see. Do you honestly deceive yourself with those stats and believe that anyone would take Fitz as a starting QB over any of the other QBs that you've listed?

Heck, a poll on this forum put him only above Geno Smith. 31 out of 32. And that's from his own hometown fans!

 

[beerlover]

lets see how he matches up Thursday night against Luck

 

[amazing80]

You can watch your stats until your blue in the face, but they do not give you a full picture.

I will watch the games and see what most people see. Do you honestly deceive yourself with those stats and believe that anyone would take Fitz as a starting QB over any of the other QBs that you've listed?

Heck, a poll on this forum put him only above Geno Smith. 31 out of 32. And that's from his own hometown fans!

This is full of so much win its crazy. Even when Fitz completes passes they are wildly inaccurate. They guy is just a bad qb.

Not only that, but to me the qb problem needs to be addressed with Mallett or Savage because it will play a major role in our future. Wasting this year with Fitz gets us absolutely nothing. Seeing if Mallett or Savage could be the guy is much more valuable than going 10-6 at best with Fitz. The future of this team is either Mallett, Savage or a rookie next year. Either way we need to find out that these guys can do now.

 

[markn]

The future of this team is either Mallett, Savage or a rookie next year. Either way we need to find out that these guys can do now.

While I completely agree, I've accepted that it is highly unlikely to happen this year. Our schedule is so soft that a Fitzy led Texans team has an outside shot of a wildcard spot. No way BOB gives up the chance of taking us from 2-14 to playoffs until all hope is lost. We're going to ride the average train until it comes to a stop.

 

[badboy]

You can watch your stats until your blue in the face, but they do not give you a full picture.

I will watch the games and see what most people see. Do you honestly deceive yourself with those stats and believe that anyone would take Fitz as a starting QB over any of the other QBs that you've listed?

Heck, a poll on this forum put him only above Geno Smith. 31 out of 32. And that's from his own hometown fans!

read again what I said, I did not say he was over all better than any QB I noted just better in those stats. I also said, these are not only traits of a QB. Your OP said he was one of worst and that is just not true. Your response should have been would I take him over any of the QBs ranked below him. I would not rate him as 14th best QB considering stats and other criteria but I would not rate him bottom 7 either.

One point I keep making as I did when everyone was bashing Newton, there is not much option. I do not expect a 4 pass Mallett or a no NFL Savage will replace Fitz..yet.

 

[sandman]

Heck, a poll on this forum put him only above Geno Smith. 31 out of 32. And that's from his own hometown fans!

You do know the reputation, warranted or not, that Houston sports fans have right? We are not happy unless we are b!tching about something.

Upside consensus going in was 8-8 outside of the sunshine pumpers, with a lot of fans thinking 6-10 with Fitzy at the helm. And here we are wanting to run him out of town on a rail and bring in his unproven backup because the team is 3-2 instead of 5-0.

 

[badboy]

You do know the reputation, warranted or not, that Houston sports fans have right? We are not happy unless we are b!tching about something.

Upside consensus going in was 8-8 outside of the sunshine pumpers, with a lot of fans thinking 6-10 with Fitzy at the helm. And here we are wanting to run him out of town on a rail and bring in his unproven backup because the team is 3-2 instead of 5-0.

 

[disaacks3]

Fitz rated 14 out of 32 passing with same or fewer INTs than Matt Ryan, Bortles, Luck, Cutler and Brees; and only one more than Romo and Eli Manning all ranked above him.

His average per pass is equal to or better than seven above him. He has passed for more total yards than Bortles and Russell Wilson.

He in not even close to be one of the worst QB in league and yes I know these are not only traits of a QB. He is what was expected and earns his money.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

OK - Let's look at some other stats. Link

QBR - #33 Yep, 33rd. Backup starters for other teams are superior.

INT- He's tied for #1 with Bortles, Brees, Cutler, Ryan, Luck, G. Smith (only Bortles & Smith have less TDs - so #3 on the bad side of TD/Int ratio)

Yds/G - #29 Woo-hoo

Comp % - #20 Gaining towards average

Those ARE traits of one of the worst starting QBs in the league.

 

[Mr teX]

This is full of so much win its crazy. Even when Fitz completes passes they are wildly inaccurate. They guy is just a bad qb.

Not only that, but to me the qb problem needs to be addressed with Mallett or Savage because it will play a major role in our future. Wasting this year with Fitz gets us absolutely nothing. Seeing if Mallett or Savage could be the guy is much more valuable than going 10-6 at best with Fitz. The future of this team is either Mallett, Savage or a rookie next year. Either way we need to find out that these guys can do now.

But what good does it do to trot those guys out there if the team isn't ready to compete? Say Savage or Mallett gets in there & they look terrible like Fitz. Then what, are you already going to be ready to give up on them and move on to the next prospect in the draft? Remember, you've got 2 guys vying for time here so the max they could've played is 8 games each.

letting fitz get in their and take the lumps for a team that's not fully tooled with BoB's guys gets us plenty.

1. it lets a bad qb get in their to take the lumps of a team not quite ready to compete instead of getting young prospects killed and their confidence shaken....see david carr...RG3 and a whole host of other guys.

2. It affords the young guys (moreso Savage) time to really grow as pros and learn his system...You seen how sitting 1 year dramatically improved Keenum..albeit not enough.

3. We get to see who can be a holdover and where we need to upgrade.

We weren't expected to do anything this year..don't see why Fitz starting is such a big deal..he is what he is..most of us knew that going in.

 

[infantrycak]

OK - Let's look at some other stats.

INT- He's tied for #1 with Bortles, Brees, Cutler, Ryan, Luck, G. Smith (only Bortles & Smith have less TDs - so #3 on the bad side of TD/Int ratio)

It's even worse.

Fitz - 4.4%
Bortles - 6.2% (with 2 starts)
Brees - 2.8%
Cutler - 3.4%
Ryan - 3.0%
Luck - 2.8%
G. Smith - 4.1%

Only Bortles with his ridiculously small sample size is doing worse.

But what good does it do to trot those guys out there if the team isn't ready to compete? Say Savage or Mallett gets in there & they look terrible like Fitz. Then what, are you already going to be ready to give up on them and move on to the next prospect in the draft? Remember, you've got 2 guys vying for time here so the max they could've played is 8 games each.

You find out what you've got. If they play like crud then hell yeah you cut them loose and/or draft for a starter. They may show enough to significantly reduce QB as a priority. The more time you take away from looking at them, the less meaningful/riskier it is to judge.

1. it lets a bad qb get in their to take the lumps of a team not quite ready to compete instead of getting young prospects killed and their confidence shaken....see david carr...RG3 and a whole host of other guys.

Carr's situation is light years away from running the current Texans. Really poor analogy. RGIII took the league by storm and got injured. Another horrible analogy.

 

[thunderkyss]

I thought this was pretty interesting:

2011 - 62% completion percentage, 6.74 yards per attempt, 24 td, 23 INT, 79 QB Rat
2012 - 61% completion percentage, 6.73 yards per attempt, 24 td, 16 INT, 83 QB Rat
2013 - 62% completion percentage, 7.01 yards per attempt, 14 td, 12 INT, 82 QB Rat
2014 - 65% completion percentage, 7.71 yards per attempt, 5 td, 6 INT, 83 QB Rat

Since 2010, he has averaged ~3200 yards with ~21 tds, ~17 INTs
He is on pace for 3350 yards with 16 TDs and 19 INTs


The point of this is to highlight the fact that Fitzpatrick is a very consistently average QB..

I wouldn't call that an average QB.

But those numbers are exactly what makes it hard for me to believe the plan was to go into the season with Fitzpatrick as our starting QB. No matter how many times OB says otherwise, it's clear that our QB (Fitz) is an anchor & most likely will be the reason we won't go 8-8 or 9-7 or better.

If Fitzpatrick was "plan A" that tells me OB gave up on the season before it even started.

 

[Mr teX]

It's even worse.

Fitz - 4.4%
Bortles - 6.2% (with 2 starts)
Brees - 2.8%
Cutler - 3.4%
Ryan - 3.0%
Luck - 2.8%
G. Smith - 4.1%

Only Bortles with his ridiculously small sample size is doing worse.



You find out what you've got. If they play like crud then hell yeah you cut them loose and/or draft for a starter. They may show enough to significantly reduce QB as a priority. The more time you take away from looking at them, the less meaningful/riskier it is to judge.

I side with those who believe that a guy needs at least 16 start to find out whether he has it or not........when enough potential is present anyway...(save it keenum truthers).

Carr's situation is light years away from running the current Texans. Really poor analogy. RGIII took the league by storm and got injured. Another horrible analogy.

Doesn't matter how it happened..the narrative thus far for both guys then and now is that they showed something initially, but eventually got pummeled enough due in large part to lackluster o-line play. Confidence is everything to a qb and sending a young guy out there just "to see what you've got" when you pretty much already know from your own evals and preseason... isnt a good enough reason...unless you guys are declaring the season is already over.

Frankly, I'd lose a little respect for BoB if he did it solely for that reason at this juncture in the season. We're rebuilding & we've got 3 new qb's from last year. Short of BoB shuffling qb's in like Gruden in TB, i don't know what anyone else thought was gonna happen this year. The overall talent on this team just isn't as good as you guys think it is...need at least a year to reset from that.

 

[Mollywhopper]

If Fitzpatrick was "plan A" that tells me OB gave up on the season before it even started.

Or it says that OB thought he could bring Fitz above his mean. Which is really par for every NFL head coach in the history of history.

Not falling in love with the top few qb's in the draft and going with a vet you believe you can squeeze some juice out of while acquiring young talent to add to a good core group of players doesn't necessarily say "gave up". It may not scream road to a superbowl this year, but that goal is failed by 31 teams every year. For many of those 31 putting together building blocks can be seen as a level of success. In particular those coming off hot garbage vomit inducing 2-14 seasons.

 

[Mr teX]

Or it says that OB thought he could bring Fitz above his mean. Which is really par for every NFL head coach in the history of history.

Not falling in love with the top few qb's in the draft and going with a vet you believe you can squeeze some juice out of while acquiring young talent to add to a good core group of players doesn't necessarily say "gave up". It may not scream road to a superbowl this year, but that goal is failed by 31 teams every year. For many of those 31 putting together building blocks can be seen as a level of success. In particular those coming off hot garbage vomit inducing 2-14 seasons.

Exactly...8-8 doesn't appeal to the fans but for job security purposes, a potential 6 win improvement is damn good for a 1st year head coach who doesn't even have all of "his" guys yet. Fans are looking for the short term success, BoB is probably looking at building for the long term...many times those 2 goals don't really line up.

 

[Playoffs]

So 6 INTs, one from a tipped pass at the LOS when Ben Jones and Chris Myers got beat double-teaming one guy, and one where Arian made a bad read...

So 4 INTs in 5 games on Fitzy, one was a late desperation forced pass vs. NYG...

I'm telling you, this is Fitz at his better... it can get worse.

1: Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't playing as poorly as you may think

Pro Football Focus has a metric called Accuracy Percentage, which "accounts for dropped passes, throwaways, spiked balls, batted passes, and passes where the quarterback was hit while they threw the ball -- factors that hurt the quarterback's completion percentage but don't help show how accurate they are."

Accuracy Percentage (AP) provides a much better representation of a quarterback's accuracy than completion percentage does.

Somewhat surprisingly, Texans quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick heads into tonight's game with a higher AP (76.6 percent) than Colts quarterback Andrew Luck (76.0 percent).

"But, wait a minute, that's probably because Luck throws down the field more often than Fitzpatrick."

Actually, PFF tracks the average depth of every quarterbacks' target -- they call it aDOT -- and Fitzpatrick and Luck currently have the same aDOT at 8.3 yards.

Sure, Luck's been the better overall signal-caller, but Fitzpatrick's been the slightly more precise passer. Imagine that.

Also, Fitzpatrick's been pretty good with defenders in his face this season. He's been under pressure on 37.4 percent of his dropbacks, the 9th-highest figure in the league. That's about 6 percent above the NFL average. However, his PFF Accuracy Percentage (76.6 percent) and completion percentage (65 percent) are both higher than the NFL average in those stat categories, which are 73.6 percent and 63.2 percent. Fitzpatrick's marginally below the average QB rating of 86. His QB rating is currently 82, despite the higher-than-average pressure percentage.

Luck's only been pressured on 24.7 percent of his dropbacks, the sixth-lowest figure in the NFL. Thanks to that, he's shredded basically every secondary he's faced. His AP, completion percentage and QB rating are all much higher than the average in those stat categories.

It can get worse.

 

[santo]

So 6 INTs, one from a tipped pass at the LOS when Ben Jones and Chris Myers got beat double-teaming one guy, and one where Arian made a bad read...

So 4 INTs in 5 games on Fitzy, one was a late desperation forced pass vs. NYG...

I'm telling you, this is Fitz at his better... in can get worse.

Which is why many of us want Mallett to start.

 

[thunderkyss]

Which is why many of us want Mallett to start.

Start Tuggle at QB for all I care.

 

[santo]

Start Tuggle at QB for all I care.

Lechler seems to have good accuracy.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Honestly, with Fitz playing the way he is and the team playing the way it is, we could win 8-9 games this season. We could also end up only winning 3... although I would doubt that, I also doubted we'd only win 2 last season after 5 games when we were 2-3.

I hope OB makes the right choice for our QB situation but the question is, does he need to make the right choice for this year, or the right choice for the future? If Savage or Mallett is our QB of the future, should we be getting them experience or should we be letting them watch Fitzy struggle?

It's a tough call.

 

[JB]

It can get worse.

 

[Double Barrel]

You do know the reputation, warranted or not, that Houston sports fans have right? We are not happy unless we are b!tching about something.

Same reputation as 31 other NFL cities. I pay attention to the entire NFL, not just one team.

Upside consensus going in was 8-8 outside of the sunshine pumpers, with a lot of fans thinking 6-10 with Fitzy at the helm. And here we are wanting to run him out of town on a rail and bring in his unproven backup because the team is 3-2 instead of 5-0.

As Playoffs said, what you see in Fitz right now is the best he will be.

Are you going to stay in homer mode when the real Ryan Fitzpatrick shows up? If you're objective about it, you will admit that it is probably just a matter of time.

I don't want to run him out of town. I just want him to take his rightful place as a back up QB. Let's not waste this entire season hoping that Fitz can continue on his current pace to be the best that he can be. Let's see what the other two guys can do, because the future is not with Fitz. Nobody was expecting playoffs this season.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

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Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · now 7 seconds ago

Only 3 of the 32 (current) starting QBs have thrown more INTs than TDs in '14: Recently benched Geno Smith, rookie Blake Bortles & Fitzy.

 

[Number19]

...Seeing if Mallett or Savage could be the guy is much more valuable than going 10-6 at best with Fitz...

Going 10-6 and making the playoffs is much more valuable, both from an organization perspective and from the ticketholder/fan perspective. Next year will take care of itself, next year.

 

[thunderkyss]

Upside consensus going in was 8-8 outside of the sunshine pumpers, with a lot of fans thinking 6-10 with Fitzy at the helm. And here we are wanting to run him out of town on a rail and bring in his unproven backup because the team is 3-2 instead of 5-0.

Because we can see this team has more potential than originally thought. With Fitz, just like you're saying, we're looking at 6-10, maybe 8-8. With an average QB we could be 8-8, maybe 10-6.

I'd like for our new head coach to take this team to the play offs every year he is here, especially the first three or four. Two consecutive AFC Championship games would be nice, if Fitz could only play as well as Mark Sanchez, we've got a shot..

But he's looking timid & "protected" & it's frustrating to be going over the same thing again.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

It's a fact that Fitzpatrick and the offense have had big time problems producing anything at the start of our games. The only reason why this hasn't led to a quick devastating outcome in each game is that no team has scored against the Texans in the first quarter this season.

 

[Speedy]

So 6 INTs, one from a tipped pass at the LOS when Ben Jones and Chris Myers got beat double-teaming one guy, and one where Arian made a bad read...

So 4 INTs in 5 games on Fitzy, one was a late desperation forced pass vs. NYG...

I'm telling you, this is Fitz at his better... it can get worse.

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It can get worse.

Fitz rated 14 out of 32 passing with same or fewer INTs than Matt Ryan, Bortles, Luck, Cutler and Brees; and only one more than Romo and Eli Manning all ranked above him.

His average per pass is equal to or better than seven above him. He has passed for more total yards than Bortles and Russell Wilson.

He in not even close to be one of the worst QB in league and yes I know these are not only traits of a QB. He is what was expected and earns his money.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

He also leads an offense that is ranked 24th in yards per game passing, 3rd fewest TD passes, and not only are they 24th in the league in converting red zone opportunities, they are 27th in just getting to the red zone with Fitzy at the controls.

So I don't understand the purpose of this exercise. You're coming off a 2-14 season and you're afraid to see what an unknown can do because even though Fitz will never be better than what he's shown in 10 years, he isn't the absolute rock bottom of the barrel?

 

[DocBar]

Give Mallett a shot. Period.

 

[beerlover]

In summary: Fitz gives new meaning as to why teams overdraft QB position.