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Russell Wilson

Mollywhopper said:
What angle lens are using to view this in the same position to the Jets and Mark Sanchez?
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Both teams had a lot of success with young QBs. Both teams had excellent defenses & excellent run games. There was a lot of discussion about how much the teams success was due to the play of the QB.

Of course back then there were a lot of people that were saying Sanchez was just along for the ride, benefiting from the team more than the team was benefiting from him. A lot of people are saying the same thing now, about Wilson. I thought it was a mistake for the Jets to pay Sanchez. I think it's a no brainer to pay Russell Wilson.

But to be fair, I thought the Patriots paid too much too soon for Tom Brady in 2005.
 
thunderkyss said:
Both teams had a lot of success with young QBs. Both teams had excellent defenses & excellent run games. There was a lot of discussion about how much the teams success was due to the play of the QB.

Of course back then there were a lot of people that were saying Sanchez was just along for the ride, benefiting from the team more than the team was benefiting from him. A lot of people are saying the same thing now, about Wilson. I thought it was a mistake for the Jets to pay Sanchez. I think it's a no brainer to pay Russell Wilson.

But to be fair, I thought the Patriots paid too much too soon for Tom Brady in 2005.
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No one worth listening to is saying Wilson is along for the ride.

Comparing the Jets and Sanchez to Wilson and the 'Hawks ... really.
 
thunderkyss said:
Both teams had a lot of success with young QBs. Both teams had excellent defenses & excellent run games. There was a lot of discussion about how much the teams success was due to the play of the QB.

Of course back then there were a lot of people that were saying Sanchez was just along for the ride, benefiting from the team more than the team was benefiting from him. A lot of people are saying the same thing now, about Wilson. I thought it was a mistake for the Jets to pay Sanchez. I think it's a no brainer to pay Russell Wilson.

But to be fair, I thought the Patriots paid too much too soon for Tom Brady in 2005.
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Look at the stats in the final season season before the Jets extended Sanchez compared to Wilson's 2014. Wilson had the same number of passing yards (actually 1 yard more), but a passer rating that was 16.8 points higher. Wilson contributed 849 yards rushing towards the top rushing game in the NFL. Sanchez contributed 103 yards to the 22nd ranked running game in the NFL. Wilson QB'd the #9 ranked offense in the NFL to a 12-4 record and their second Super Bowl appearance in a row. Sanchez QB'd the Jets offense to #25 in the NFL and an 8-8 record, and I don't recall virtually anyone (other than perhaps the Jets) particularly positive about his development.

Other than that, they're pretty identical.
 
texan279 said:
Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS
If Russell Wilson turned down $21 million a season, he's nuts. Talked with GM who thinks going over $20 million is absurd.

Manage the Game is not worth $21 million a season. Sorry.

With that type of foolishness, the Seahawks should just let him play and then tag him. Let him play for $1.2 this season.
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When #s leak they usually only tell one side's story...

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Hold up with @Seahawks contract with Wilson is signing bonus/guaranteed $$. Offered less than Newton, Flacco & Ryan​


Russell Wilson contract issues focus on guaranteed money

The Seahawks and quarterback Russell Wilson inch toward the deadline to do a contract extension, and the two sides have plenty of ground to make up. It's not clear at this point if they'll be able to do it.


Earlier on Saturday, a report from Pro Football Talk pegged an offer by the Seahawks at $21 million per year. While that number is essentially accurate, going inside the numbers compared to other quarterback deals tell more of the story.

For instance, the Panthers gave Cam Newton $30 million cash up front in his new extension. By contrast, sources familiar with the situation say Wilson would make (under the latest offer) below $20 million cash up front. Those in Seattle say there are significant guarantees, but most of the guarantees are simply for injury only.

Negotiations are ongoing, Wilson hasn't turned anything down outright, and nothing has been taken off the table.

But at this point, it's an issue of cash up front and guarantees, in addition to the debate over a yearly salary.​
 
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Multiple reports have indicated that the Seahawks are offering Wilson $21 million per year. As one league source with experience negotiating quarterback contracts (but with no direct role in the Wilson talks) explains it, the $21 million most likely isn’t the total annual value at signing; it’s the “new money.”

In other words, if the Seahawks are offering Wilson a five-year deal with $21 million per year in “new money,” that average applies to the four new years — making the total value in the range of $85.5 million. Which would give the offer a total value of $17.1 million.

If the Seahawks were offering a contract with a total value of $21 million per year, the “new money” average (i.e., $105 million minus $1.5 million divided by four new years) would be $25.625 million. And the reports, as the source believes it, undoubtedly would be that the Seahawks are offering more than $25 million per year, not $21 million.

As a result, the source contends that the recent analysis of the offer from ESPN’s John Clayton is incorrect, because it presumes the Seahawks are offering $21 million in total value, not in new money.

The “new money” analysis is a subtle distinction that has major ramifications for a guy who has a one year left on a four-year slotted third-round rookie deal at only $1.5 million. As a general rule, teams like the “new money” characterization before a deal is done, because it makes the offer look better than it really is. Players and their agents like the “new money” characterization after a deal is done, because it creates the impression that the player got more than he actually received.

All the major quarterback extensions (such as the Aaron Rodgers $22 million-per-year deal and Ben Roethlisberger’s $21.85 million annual package) have been described that way by looking only at the “new money.” If, as the source insists, the Seahawks have offered Wilson $21 million not in total value but in “new money,” the gap between the two sides is considerably wider than previously believed — and the chances of Wilson playing out the 2015 season are greater than they otherwise would be if the total package were worth $21 million per year.​
 
Peter King @SI_PeterKing
QB salary standings now/annual pay:

1 ARodgers $22m
2 Wilson $21.9m
3 BenR $21.85m
4 Cam $20.76m

The deal averages $21.9-miilion a year, a smidge less than top deal in football, Aaron Rodgers’ $22-million per.

The new Wilson deal includes a $31-million signing bonus, with approximately $60-million guaranteed.

Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have agreed to a 4-year, $87.6-million extension, per source.​
 
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Playoffs said:
Peter King @SI_PeterKing
The new Wilson deal includes a $31-million signing bonus, with approximately $60-million guaranteed.

Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have agreed to a 5-year, $87.6-million extension, per source.​
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So that's $21.9 avg over four years, or does this add 4 years to his current deal & we're talking $87.6 over six years?

Still, the $60M guaranteed should make him happy.
 
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Good for him. He may not have the stats but he's at the helm of a winner and he's more deserving of the money than other QB's like Matt Ryan and Cam Newton.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Good for him. He may not have the stats but he's at the helm of a winner and he's more deserving of the money than other QB's like Matt Ryan and Cam Newton.
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I remember saying the same thing regarding Tom Brady compared to Peyton Manning.

Actually, at the time I was against Brady being mentioned in the same sentence. I was wrong back then, which probably changed how I view this situation.
 
I'd put Rodgers and Brady at the very top of the heap, with Wilson in a muddled group of about 5 or 6 other guys who could change positions amongst themselves week to week.

So some weeks he's top 5. Every other week he's minimum top 10.
 
QBs with the purest set of developed skills in the game: Rodgers and Luck. Personally, I put Wilson up there with them, not in terms of puity of QB skills, but in terms of the overall package. The guy is cerebral, he's a winner, and he has the correct mindset to use his athleticism at the QB position (instead of just taking off to run all the time). He can make the throws, he can make the decisions, he can extend plays, and he can rally his teammates. He is as mentally prepared as any QB in the game. That's a top QB.

Rodgers is probably the only guy I would definitely put above him without question.
 
eriadoc said:
QBs with the purest set of developed skills in the game: Rodgers and Luck. Personally, I put Wilson up there with them, not in terms of puity of QB skills, but in terms of the overall package. The guy is cerebral, he's a winner, and he has the correct mindset to use his athleticism at the QB position (instead of just taking off to run all the time). He can make the throws, he can make the decisions, he can extend plays, and he can rally his teammates. He is as mentally prepared as any QB in the game. That's a top QB.

Rodgers is probably the only guy I would definitely put above him without question.
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:goodpost:Couldn't have said it better.
Wilson doesn't produce the gaudy, fantasy football stats some like to see; but who cares. He produces wins.
What's that saying, "stats are for losers; the final score is for winners"?
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Where do you guys rank Russell Wilson in terms of the best QBs in the game. Top five, top ten?
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I'd say top 5. Aside from Rodgers, Brady, Luck & Roethlishberger I think he's just a notch below them.

Even though he doesn't put up the stats that other QB's produce I think he's far more composed and less error prone. I'd take him over guys like Matthew Stafford, Newton, Matt Ryan, Kaepernick, etc. 2 years ago Brees would've been in the top 5 but he's fallen off a tad.
 
Good for Wilson! :thumbup

tbh, I'm kinda' jelly of teams that have their franchise QB. Except for the Bengals. They can keep that soulless ginger. ;)
 
Wilson has now been sacked 18 times through four games, putting him on pace for 72 — and putting both guys in position to challenge the all-time record of 76.

The bigger concern is a matter of basic physics. The more a quarterback is hit, the more likely he’s eventually going to be hurt. For Wilson, who does a great job of avoiding contact and properly absorbing it when running, getting banged around by guys he doesn’t see coming behind the line of scrimmage eventually could do harm that no amount of nanobubbles will quickly heal.

So if the offensive line isn’t going to do a better job of blocking, Wilson needs to get rid of the ball faster and/or to get out of the pocket quicker. Or he may not be on the field long enough to be sacked 76 times.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ex-smith-competing-for-chance-at-sack-record/
 
The Bengals host the Seahawks next don't they?
An undefeated Bengals team that is looking solid.
Russell Wilson better prepare himself for a 5 or 6-sack game.
 
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