infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I can't seem to find it either. Sorry.
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I can't seem to find it either. Sorry.
Russell intrigues me, but nobody should expect him to do anything with his feet like Culpepper. If Russell has a decent head on his shoulders, that should make him compare favorably to Culpepper. I have been reading that Quinn is far from a lock to be the 1st QB taken. I would have no beef with the Texans taking Russell... he is an awesome talent.
IMO, at some point the QB situation needs to be addressed, and I think there are three pretty good candidates this year (I prefer Smith and Russell over Quinn). Quinn's going to Detroit, and there's no way Cleveland takes Russell over Smith. Oakland is the wildcard. Russell will probably be there for HOU, Miami might be interested.
IMO, at some point the QB situation needs to be addressed, and I think there are three pretty good candidates this year (I prefer Smith and Russell over Quinn). Quinn's going to Detroit, and there's no way Cleveland takes Russell over Smith. Oakland is the wildcard. Russell will probably be there for HOU, Miami might be interested.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I don't see what you see. He has good movement and is every bit as mobile as Jay Cutler and Cutler seems to fit the Broncos perfect. Here is a bit of perspective on his career at LSU...
http://www.wwltv.com/sports/stories/wwl111306khheldover.32f0c1b8.html
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I am assuming you think Cleveland compares their situation to Vince and what the Texans could have. That is very interesting.
As far as Russell and Miami. I hear you on that because of the Nick Saban/LSU ties. Do you smell trade bait?
Number19
Hall of Fame
Any QB who plays here has to run Kubiak's West Coast style offense. This incorporates the short to medium passing game, particularly the quick slant over the middle (think Jarry Rice). A deep passer could be wasted on our offense.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
from what i understand, saban and russell had some bad times together at LSU. haven't heard too much about it though. i doubt we take a QB in the first anyway.
I think the local factor will matter, as will the fact that he can be had in the 2nd or in a late 1st tradeup, cost half as much, and is a really nice fit for their personnel. Edwards is such a deep threat and Winslow is such a good TE, a mobile QB with a cannon could have some immediate success. They need some help with run D, but their defense isn't half bad. Imagine that team if they added Peterson in the 1st and Smith with the next pick. If Brohm and Brennan come out, Smith could be there for CLE in the 2nd.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Tell that to 12 playoff win/5 time Super Bowl participant John Elway. The Broncos haven't been back to the SB since big armed John Elway led them and have only won one playoff game since then as well.
Number19
Hall of Fame
All I'm saying is that from a stylistic perspective, a deep passer is more suited for an "Air Coryell' offense than a "West Coast" offense.
From a Texans perspective, when you need to perform "in the clutch" - when you need to have that deep ball - then, yes, you'd like to have your QB possess those skills of a deep passer. But Kubiak's offense is not designed around the deep ball.
From a Texans perspective, when you need to perform "in the clutch" - when you need to have that deep ball - then, yes, you'd like to have your QB possess those skills of a deep passer. But Kubiak's offense is not designed around the deep ball.
edo783
Hall of Fame
True. However, it is also designed around the dagger to the heart and that is the 3-4 long balls per game that just crush the moral of the other team when they go for a TD.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
UT OH !!! lol. I've done that.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Well I'm in this camp also. BUT...I've been in da-nile swimming with David for three years. If kostranostra seems to think he's another Doug Williams...I'll be on board. But...rather have the OLT prospect. With my skewed vision I'm seeing a Cheap deal with Al. Maybe Al loves the guy and we can both plug a hole with one deal. I know I'm slanted and this is a very bad thing to do...especially with Darren McFaddin and Rice in the pipeline for '08, but just keeping hope alive.
Number19
Hall of Fame
No disagreement here. I agree totally.
A troublesome observation on this point - directed to this year - is that on those occasions when Carr goes deep, AJ never seems to have good separation - that is, really open. It takes a pin point, perfect pass.
What does this have to say about 1) the play calling, and 2) AJ's route running/ability to get open.
For the most part, Carr's passes seem to be there. It's just that AJ is always having to fight for the ball.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Quality play and winning puts people in seats.
sgntxnfn
Noob
Russell was injured and did not play in last year's LSU bowl game. Backup Matt Flynn was the quarterback and the game was won by the Tigers 40-3 over the Miami Hurricanes in the Peach Bowl.
painekiller
All Pro
Yes they have. Like Vinny, I could see him going ahead of Quinn but behind Brohm. But I have also seen him going in the late 1st round. So what do I know, I thought Winston Justice was a top 10 guy.
I do not want a QB in the 1st two rounds, but I would not complain if Kubiak took either one of these two guys.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
yup, and that was russell's best performance yet.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I saw him play in a game against Iowa, I may have gotten the years wrong. They lost on a last second play by Tate.
Smokedawg
Waterboy
yea, Matt Flynn started that game, then Saban put Marcus Randall in and finally after LSU was behind he put JaMarcus in and they took the lead with :25 seconds left. Then Ronnie Prude blew his coverage a let them get a easy TD!
Ok, so I checked out the latest on this thread and saw some comments about Russell panicking in the pocket because that's what he did his redshirt freshman year when some folks last saw him. People, that was an eternity ago in football development time.
Like I said in an earlier post, he still has his moments of mistakes, but he's advanced far beyond those times. The guy has improved considerably in showing poise, sensing and moving away from pressure by moving in the pocket as needed, taking what's open and spreading the ball around. And though he's not been a runner, he's done more of that and quite well late this season when the play breaks down.
Although he has unreal arm strength, he puts better touch on the ball now and is able to take the short to midrange route pretty well. When he first broke in, everything was a 100 mph fastball that the receivers didn't so much catch as they did fold around the pass on impact.
As for his ability to rally his team, he's led the team on big scoring drives in crucial situations, helping pull out wins against Bama, Auburn and Florida last year and Tennessee this year. He led us to a scoring drive to take the lead late against Iowa in the Cap One Bowl two years ago, but a blown coverage by our secondary led to a last second, game-winning touchdown pass by Iowa. So, he's proven he can deliver in clutch situations.
Like I said in an earlier post, he still has his moments of mistakes, but he's advanced far beyond those times. The guy has improved considerably in showing poise, sensing and moving away from pressure by moving in the pocket as needed, taking what's open and spreading the ball around. And though he's not been a runner, he's done more of that and quite well late this season when the play breaks down.
Although he has unreal arm strength, he puts better touch on the ball now and is able to take the short to midrange route pretty well. When he first broke in, everything was a 100 mph fastball that the receivers didn't so much catch as they did fold around the pass on impact.
As for his ability to rally his team, he's led the team on big scoring drives in crucial situations, helping pull out wins against Bama, Auburn and Florida last year and Tennessee this year. He led us to a scoring drive to take the lead late against Iowa in the Cap One Bowl two years ago, but a blown coverage by our secondary led to a last second, game-winning touchdown pass by Iowa. So, he's proven he can deliver in clutch situations.
By the way, a couple of more things to add.
Regarding the perception that a big arm QB wouldn't fit well in the Texans' system, actually, Russell and his receivers have excelled at the quick slant over the middle where the receivers run for more yards after the catch. Plus, he throws the bubble screen and screen passes to backs plenty enough. He's not looking to throw the home run pass on every play, as it seems is the perception about him.
Also, one downside about JR is that although he's shown more of a willingness to run late in the year, he's still not a very fast guy. He gobbles up good yardage with his long strides but he's not really fast.
Regarding the perception that a big arm QB wouldn't fit well in the Texans' system, actually, Russell and his receivers have excelled at the quick slant over the middle where the receivers run for more yards after the catch. Plus, he throws the bubble screen and screen passes to backs plenty enough. He's not looking to throw the home run pass on every play, as it seems is the perception about him.
Also, one downside about JR is that although he's shown more of a willingness to run late in the year, he's still not a very fast guy. He gobbles up good yardage with his long strides but he's not really fast.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Can he run the waggle. I.E. Fake a dive to the right roll out left, hit the te on the drag to the left ? inquiring minds want to know ?
You sure have been saying that alot lately
So far, everyone believes he'll return for his senior year..... so no one is going to pass on him...... he most likely won't even be in the draft.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
I don't think he is coming back. Unless he chokes in the Sugar Bowl and has a terrible game or gets injured he is going to come out.
There is a good chance that he will out play the consensus #1 pick in the draft in front of a national audience which means his draft stock is going to sky rocket.