jacquescas
Veteran
and davis easily out gained mewelde moore, their leading rusher.Troy Williamson had 24 receptions for 372 yards and 2 TDs.
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Rumor: Texans seek trade for Williamson?
- Thread starter MojoX
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jmerog
Waterboy
Hey grid, what about armstrong's hands? That guy is a glue stick. He's not as fast as the others but sure hands count for something dont they?Grid said:
I'm interested in your opinion on this.I Think Armstrong has been way undervalued and under used and would place him close to Gaffney in value.All the guy does is catch balls. The only thing that places Gaffney ahead in my count is experience and route running. Good post BTW
Johnny Utah
Rookie
Wolf said:
Wow! Viking fans are retarded. One guy said he would take Babin and Wong for Williamson, and another said he would trade for Babin strait up.
I'm all for those trades.
I agree with ya.. I love Armstrong and im glad we have him because we will need him if we arent able to re-sign Gaffney.
I think you are right..he has great hands.. he also has a great verticle leap and isnt afraid to go after the ball.
But as you said, Gaffney is the better route runner.. id also say that Gaffney has hands that are just as good. I dunno if he is quite as athletic as armstrong when it comes to grabbing the ball out of the air..but he doesnt have to be cause he is good at getting open.
All in all.. if I had to choose between the two (and we most likely will have to here pretty soon).. ill take Gaffney. He has the hands..he has the route running.. and more importantly.. he is one of our draft picks, and is younger than Armstrong.
Unfortunatly with Rosencrap as his agent.. we may be forced to pay too much for him if we want to keep him.. so Armstrong might be our slot receiver next season by default. We are pretty lucky to be have a receiver like Armstrong waiting in the wings.
I think you are right..he has great hands.. he also has a great verticle leap and isnt afraid to go after the ball.
But as you said, Gaffney is the better route runner.. id also say that Gaffney has hands that are just as good. I dunno if he is quite as athletic as armstrong when it comes to grabbing the ball out of the air..but he doesnt have to be cause he is good at getting open.
All in all.. if I had to choose between the two (and we most likely will have to here pretty soon).. ill take Gaffney. He has the hands..he has the route running.. and more importantly.. he is one of our draft picks, and is younger than Armstrong.
Unfortunatly with Rosencrap as his agent.. we may be forced to pay too much for him if we want to keep him.. so Armstrong might be our slot receiver next season by default. We are pretty lucky to be have a receiver like Armstrong waiting in the wings.
The Preacher
Waterboy
cadahnic said:
Exactly trade away picks for another underperforming 1st rounder. "Are you going to find that kind of talent in the 2nd and 3rd....no". Then take Bush assuming we only gave them DD, A 2ND, and a 3rd("we had an extra why not?", pick up TO, and watch us still have the most inept offense in the league because of the 0-line. Oh wait that would rule because we could still blame it on Carr!
well Williamson was the #7 pick just last year.. he has only had one year in the league. He has all the physical tools and could become a beast with some coaching...if he takes to it.
Thats why he is still worth alot. If he had been in the league a few years and still wasnt a starting receiver...then yah... he wouldnt be worth it.. but since there is still so much room for growth..you have to pay a high price for him.
Thats why he is still worth alot. If he had been in the league a few years and still wasnt a starting receiver...then yah... he wouldnt be worth it.. but since there is still so much room for growth..you have to pay a high price for him.
Johnny Utah
Rookie
Grid said:
I remember reading a scouting report on Williamson last year that he would take some time to develop since he was only a junior and in a mostly run oriented offense at Carolina.
pskinny
Waterboy
Grid said:
They have Nate Burelson, Marcus Robinson, and Koren Robinson who was a surprise for them this year. Williamson is their number 4, he's expendable.
We have DD who's better than any RB on their roster, and has proven he can play in this league (something Williamson has not done yet). I'm sure behind a decent line like the Vikings DD can flurish, about 1300-1500 yards next year? I think that alone is worth the number 7 pick in last years draft. Especially since it was used on a position where they currently have a log jam. I don't see us trading any of our first day picks away. Maybe DD and a fourth, but considering our luck in the fourth round, make that DD and a fifth at most.....
MorKnolle
All Pro
I don't know why Minnesota would trade Williamson after only having him for one year and using the #7 overall pick on him. Obviously if they drafted him that high they saw something special in him, so if they're willing and looking to trade him after one season then apparently there is some kind of problem with him. I don't see Minnesota looking to trade him off, but if for some reason they are and we can give them the #1 pick and get this year and next year's 1st rounders plus their 2nd rounder this year and Williamson then I'd consider it as we can still go after a top OLineman with their pick and go after another one in the 2nd round (we could likely get Eric Winston in the 1st and Mangold or Davin Joseph in the 2nd to improve our OLine and still have a 2nd rounder left to use on defense).
Minnesota may be willing to trade Williamson for Domanick if the cap wasn't taken into account, but sending away their #7 overall pick after one season and both teams having to take the large cap hits for the trade would not make much sense for either team, although with your idea we could get Williamson and then still get Bush #1, although Bush would have to undertake a lot more of the running load with Davis gone. I don't see this trade happening either.
pskinny said:
Minnesota may be willing to trade Williamson for Domanick if the cap wasn't taken into account, but sending away their #7 overall pick after one season and both teams having to take the large cap hits for the trade would not make much sense for either team, although with your idea we could get Williamson and then still get Bush #1, although Bush would have to undertake a lot more of the running load with Davis gone. I don't see this trade happening either.
Johnny Utah
Rookie
Aren't the Vikings getting ready to trade Dante Culpepper also? They may need a QB.
Big B Texan Fan
Veteran
Let me get this straight.
McNair and Reeves are U South Car Grads
Williamson is a SC grad. D-Rob is a SC grad.
I like D-rob, think he'll be one of the greats.
A trade for a SC grad is a bit fishy if you ask me. And we think they won't even take VY and he's from the town that lines his pockets.
A new owner and a 4 year owner making a trade??
And they already have 3 or 4 guys that are the quality of DD?
I don't see it happening like that, and I don't care what the article says.
They don't have a QB or they are reported to releasing Culpepper.
VY fans, This could be a trade for Carr for Williamson.
McNair and Reeves are U South Car Grads
Williamson is a SC grad. D-Rob is a SC grad.
I like D-rob, think he'll be one of the greats.
A trade for a SC grad is a bit fishy if you ask me. And we think they won't even take VY and he's from the town that lines his pockets.
A new owner and a 4 year owner making a trade??
And they already have 3 or 4 guys that are the quality of DD?
I don't see it happening like that, and I don't care what the article says.
They don't have a QB or they are reported to releasing Culpepper.
VY fans, This could be a trade for Carr for Williamson.
The Preacher
Waterboy
Grid said:
I was kind of being harsh so let me say I would probably trade DD for Williamson straight up, especially if we drafted Bush. He does have a lot of potential and showed flashes of what he could become. DD is certainly injury prone, so much so that I wouldn't mind dealing him for decent value. I would maybe throw in a 3 to boot but I can't see them going for it because of his salary. I am glad DD got his money too because without him I can't imagine what the offensive output would have been the last couple of years. That said I doubt the vikes would want another injury prone runner, trade their 1st for our 4th round guy who's got some tread now. Obviously they would want more than A 3RD but we are talking about a FO that gave up our 1st day last year for PB. I imagine the FO's phones are ringing off the hook at this point...hear I go again.
H
huey
Guest
The trade might be Williamson for Carr, the Texans could then draft Vince Young. They might even get Brad Johnson in the trade. You guys already have a rb in Davis and after the trade you would have a starting receiver that would take some preasure off of Andre Johnson and a veteran qb in Brad Johnson that could start this year.The vikes may be getting rid of Culpepper and could be looking for a replacement. The Texans may have to throw a pick in the deal since Carr has one year left on his deal. The pick would probably be in next years draft.MojoX said:
There is no way the Vikes would give up two 1st and 2nd round picks for the Texans 1st pick this year.
This rumor started a couple of weeks ago. Our own John McClain was being interviewed on a radio station somewhere and was asked if he thought the Texans would trade the first pick in the second round for Williamson. He said since they wanted him in the first round (last year), he imagined they'd do it in a heartbeat. Nothing was said about it being a possibility. Even if "the Texans" were interested in him last year, who's left on the staff that's interested in him now? If they really are considering trading for TW, that says Mathis isn't on track to be a starting WR - which I find a little hard to believe.
This is a Vikes thread about it from a couple of weeks ago.
http://feedback.kfan.com/topic.aspx?forum=EEE46B87-7034-47E1-A6DC-D05E20342F1B&topic=4B54FF95-50D1-4F28-9EB8-355629DFFADA
This is a Vikes thread about it from a couple of weeks ago.
http://feedback.kfan.com/topic.aspx?forum=EEE46B87-7034-47E1-A6DC-D05E20342F1B&topic=4B54FF95-50D1-4F28-9EB8-355629DFFADA
Carr isn't going anywhere and officially he has zero years left on his deal until we find out more news - probably this week.
southtexan
Waterboy
I really like that group of players, the only problem I would see with that lineup is....will we have time to throw to them?dtran04 said:
huey said:
The Giants picked number 4, and look what they had to give up for the 1st pick to get Manning. Look at what position the Vikings pick this year. And remember, the Texans have the very first pick. It would very well take 2 first rounders and two seconds to make that Godfather deal that would be too good to pass on.
Fiddy
All Pro
Why do you find that hard to believe??? He played very little at WR last year and was injured quite a bit which probably slowed down the learning process. That's not even considering that guys coming from division I schools have a hard time making the transition to the pros and he is coming from a division II college program. I think Mathis will be a good WR one day, but not this upcoming year. You'll see flashes of brilliance, but you'll also see plays which make you scratch your head.aj. said:
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
Napa Auto Parts said:
Last time I checked T.O. wasn't a FA and the the Eagles were letting his agent seek a TRADE. I doubt they'd take anything less then a 1st rounder for him. Then we would have to resign him to a new contract because if he doesn't want to play for the Eagles under his current one then why would he want to for the Texans? T.O. is just too much trouble.
DFAN
Waterboy
nunusguy said:
I'm not saying the rumor is true. But Kubiak isnt the GM so they could had been working on it before he announced as the head coach. Do you think all football operations have shut down around the Texans facility every since they fired Capers?
Even though it would be against the rules they could had contacted Kubiak and asked his opinon on it.
Like I said I dont put to much into the report because there are a lot of rumors floating around this time of year. But it has nothing to do with wheather Kubiak was hired or not.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
TheOgre said:
that, sir, is a ludicrous statement. DD is a thousand yard rusher behind an O-line that's about as solid as a snowcone in hell.
bigtex77
Waterboy
I'm curious, I haven't seen USC play much over the past couple of years, but if we were to deal DD and draft Reggie, could Wells, Morency or a combo of both serve as the equivalent to LenDale White? You know, to give us that one-two punch that Bush/White gave the Trojans? I know that most don't thing Reggie can carry the ball 20 times a game, so could this work?
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
DFAN said:
This maybe true, but trust me they are going to let him go that easy without something in return.
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
bigtex77 said:
Yeah probably. This may sound funny but I think we should make a move for Ron Dayne. The guy is money in zone blocking schemes. I was a little down on Denver last year for not playing him more. Seems like everytime he got the ball he had atleast six yards. And well most of the nation saw what he did to the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. Trust me he isn't washed up yet and in the right system(Denver's zone blocking) he can get big yards. He would compliment Reggie real good.
That's a good question. First, I don't want to see Davis traded just to be traded. I think Bush and Davis can both contibute in a meaningful way in the Kubiak offense. And I think this trade rumor regarding DD is pure Disney. But, I could see a team that missed on a RB in the draft look ask the Texans their price on Domanick.bigtex77 said:
Could a Morency/Wells combo equate to LenDale White? I don't think so, I see White as a potential 1500+ yard RB in the NFL. But, I think Davis' injuries in '05 gave Wells and Morency enough snaps to show that they could fill in the gaps in Bush's game. Wells is a solid backup, he can do a little bit of everything. Morency showed flashes as a rookie. He ran hard, if not smart, and I think with coaching could be a solid RB in a zone blocking offense.
DFAN
Waterboy
Bronco Texan said:
Well come March, I believe is win they owe him the big bonus, they'll have to cut him or give him the bonus.
They're hoping some team will pony up[ so that team doesnt have to get into a bidding war for him. There will be a bidding war for him. Probally not what he wants but a team will give him money and a lot for incentives.
The thing about a trade a lot of teams really dont want to give up draft picks for him when they can just wait until he's cut. He can also refuse to go to that team.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Our line actually run blocks pretty wellPowerfulDragon said:
Wells avg. 3.6 yrds a carry scoring 4 rushing tds, 2 more than DD on 140 less carries.
V. Morency in his rookie year had a 4.0 ypc avg. only .2 yards less than DD, scoring on two rushing TDs, same as DD on 184 less carries and had a higher YPC avg.
In my opinion Morency is pretty much DD, they have similar running styles and amost the same exact physical build.
run-david-run
All Pro
People need to stop with the wholeThunder/Lighting thing...unless they are both in the backfield at the same time, having a speedy guy and a big guy really dosnt to that much for ya. What does make an impact is having a dominant O-Line, maybe we should invest in that before paying $50M for Tatum Bell/Brian Westbrook...bigtex77 said:
run-david-run
All Pro
Excepy DD is way better then Morency out of the backfield and is a far more patient runner. He also has more power...Carr Bomb said:
Eh.. it does make a difference. If you have a good RB to play the "thunder" part... he plays multiple rolls in the offense. He makes those short yardage runs where you just need to grab a couple of yards and the defense knows you are going to run it... he makes those short yardage runs into the endzone.. he wears down the defense.. so on and so forth.
When you have a speedy finesse back.. unless you are running a certain type of offense (like in Philly and Minnesota).. you need someone who can pound it in.
Like in Tampa... they still need Alstott to carry the rock in short yardage situations.
Wells may not be a perfect fit.. but I still think he could be a good compliment to Bush.
When you have a speedy finesse back.. unless you are running a certain type of offense (like in Philly and Minnesota).. you need someone who can pound it in.
Like in Tampa... they still need Alstott to carry the rock in short yardage situations.
Wells may not be a perfect fit.. but I still think he could be a good compliment to Bush.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
The stats don't show that and he wasn't exactly given the chance. In his very first year he put up numbers very comparable to DDrun-david-run said:
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Morency had a slightly higher YPC avg than DD, but that doesn't matter anyways. I don't like our RBs getting so much catches, those should be rec.'s going to our TE or other receivers, imo, that is one of the major problems with our offense. DD has been Carr's security blanket, with every other young QB usually those passes go to the TE, again stressing our need for a every down TEedo783 said:
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Carr Bomb said:
It depends entirely on how your O is set to operate. Try checking out the NFL championship game betwen Dallas and SF in 1995. Smith and Moose combined for 13 or so receptions on the day with Novacek and Irvin spliting 6. They steamrollered the next best team in football. What matters is 1st downs and scores--how you get there is relatively unimportant except the longer to do it the better if you can do it consistantly.
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
DFAN said:
Exactly!!! A bidding war is why a team will trade for him. Trust me if a team really wants him they will trade for him so the will have exclusive rights to him. If they wait for him to be cut then they may get into a bidding war in which they may not be able to give him a short incentive laced contract. I garauntee you he will be traded before he gets cut. Even if it comes down to the last day and the only trade on the board is a 4th round pick the Eagles will take that over nothing.
