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RUMOR...Carr to be traded to Dolphins???

MorKnolle said:
I'm glad to see a VY fan admit that drafting him is more of a good business decision rather than a good football decision, and luckily for the rest of us good teams are built on making wise football decisions and not drafting someone just to sell a few more jerseys.
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O no doubt. Look, there is no doubt that Vince will not be able to contribue as fast as a Reggie Bush....

my whole thing is, I just can't understand why the Texans would even be looking at Bush. Maybe my perception is wrong, but I actually LIKE Dominack Davis.

If no Vince, then trade down, get picks and get a real hoss back like LenDale White. I've said that before on these boards too.....its beating a dead horse now.
 
Glacier said:
O no doubt. Look, there is no doubt that Vince will not be able to contribue as fast as a Reggie Bush....

my whole thing is, I just can't understand why the Texans would even be looking at Bush. Maybe my perception is wrong, but I actually LIKE Dominack Davis.

If no Vince, then trade down, get picks and get a real hoss back like LenDale White. I've said that before on these boards too.....its beating a dead horse now.
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I agree with you that trading down would be the best option, but taking LenDale White would not be a good decision with that. In taking Reggie, you at least get a RB with rare speed, but taking White (or DeAngelo Williams or any of the others in this year's draft) does not do much for the team, so after trading down we need to address the OLine and defense, not bring in another RB.
 
Heard a Rumor that the Texans might take Vince in the 1st and run a trade for the 2nd rounder and Carr to miami for Ricky Williams. This hit me way off guard when i first heard it but the more i ponder it the more I LOVE the move. I think it could end a few issues your team has had the last few years and could mean with a little influence in free ageency you could pick up a few key lineman for your O and I'd say your on the road to turn around.

Just thought i'd pop in and see what the teams actual fans would think of this...
 
Bucc_Nasty said:
Heard a Rumor that the Texans might take Vince in the 1st and run a trade for the 2nd rounder and Carr to miami for Ricky Williams. This hit me way off guard when i first heard it but the more i ponder it the more I LOVE the move. I think it could end a few issues your team has had the last few years and could mean with a little influence in free ageency you could pick up a few key lineman for your O and I'd say your on the road to turn around.

Just thought i'd pop in and see what the teams actual fans would think of this...
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Can we please stop re-posting this silly rumor? It keeps getting more and more far-fetched now, at least before we were hearing Ricky and the Dolphins 1st for Carr, now it's Carr and our 2nd for Ricky. Carr is not going anywhere, definitely not to Miami for Ricky Williams.
 
Didn't come here to ask you if you thought it was true..i purely asked you..if it happend..what would you think...
 
Bucc_Nasty said:
Didn't come here to ask you if you thought it was true..i purely asked you..if it happend..what would you think...
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Using the search function would have gotten you to a 100 post thread on this topic
 
LCOOL said:
Ferrote is coming, this will be the move in Texan history, thanks to uncle Charlie, after this trade he will named GM of the year lol
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Whew! I was worried about your mental stability for a minute. Now that I see you're joking around, I feel better.
 
Hey guys,

Did you hear about that potential Miami-Houston deal involving David Carr and Ricky Williams??


:redtowel: Just kidding around..
 
isn't it funny, Miami a team basically sans QB but otherwise fairly complete ( no real recievers either but no way to know without a QB) they kinda remind me of the ravens, very complete except the QB, i think both these teams would trade picks and would be very happy to aquire Carr.

funny how quick we are to dump him.
 
If there's any truth to the trade rumor, then it might be the best deal we could hope to get. Ricky Williams (with his head on straight), Vince Young, & AJ would make for a very exciting "Big 3". Add in a TE with our second round pick (#33) & we could have one heck of a solid offensive team. With Vernon Davis, Marcedes Lewis, Leonard Pope, Anthony Fasano, Joel Klopfenstein, & Dominique Byrd coming out, we should be able to land a solid TE. Maybe, with a little luck, one of the big 3 will drop to the 2nd round. Ya' never know.

Anyway, this rumor doesn't seem to want to die. The Miami Herald ran an article about it today. I, especially, like the speculation about us getting a #1 pick along with Williams (WOW!). However, they have a quote from an unnamed NFL executive that states Carr's contract is untradeable. Take it for what it's worth to you.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/13680415.htm

Around the NFL | An expensive Carr for Texans
BY JASON COLE
jcole@MiamiHerald.com

Fan websites continue to churn the idea of Houston QB David Carr being traded to the Dolphins in exchange for a package of RB Ricky Williams and either a first-, second- or third-round pick.

While there is some logic to the idea -- the Texans could then take Houston native and Texas star QB Vince Young with the No. 1 overall pick -- there's one really big problem.

Do the Dolphins want to pay $24.5 million over the next three years for Carr?

That's the basic price. The breakdown is this: There are two options in Carr's contract. The first is that the Texans can pay him a $5.5 million bonus on Feb. 19 and then pay him base salaries of $5 million this year and $5.25 million in 2007. That's $15.75 million for two years.

The second is that Carr gets an $8 million bonus on Feb. 19 and base salaries of $5.25 million this year, $5.25 million in 2007 and $6 million in 2008. That's $24.5 million for three years. Neither price is appetizing for a guy who has a lot of potential but not much in results over his first four years.

The Texans could also not pick up the option and simply designate Carr as the team's franchise player. But that move only decreases his value because it means that a team acquiring Carr would have him on only a one-year deal.

In short, as one NFL executive said recently: "The contract isn't tradable.''
 
Glacier said:
O no doubt. Look, there is no doubt that Vince will not be able to contribue as fast as a Reggie Bush....

my whole thing is, I just can't understand why the Texans would even be looking at Bush. Maybe my perception is wrong, but I actually LIKE Dominack Davis.

If no Vince, then trade down, get picks and get a real hoss back like LenDale White. I've said that before on these boards too.....its beating a dead horse now.
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I agree with trading down, but Lendale isn't my idea of what to do with that pick.

But I would definitely say there is reasonable doubt that Reggie would contribute faster than Vince. Especially if he is drafted on our team. Look at Ricky Williams' first two seasons with the Saints....
 
MorKnolle said:
Can we please stop re-posting this silly rumor? It keeps getting more and more far-fetched now, at least before we were hearing Ricky and the Dolphins 1st for Carr, now it's Carr and our 2nd for Ricky. Carr is not going anywhere, definitely not to Miami for Ricky Williams.
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The most far fetched part of the Rumor is that we'd have to sign Carr in order to trade him to begin with....... Which means we'd be giving up Carr's $5.5 million dollar cap hit, plus what ever we pay Ricky... which to me sounds a little far fetched.

But I'd take RW over RB any day as a RunningBack.

RickyWilliams for Carr......... seems like an even trade to me........ if we've got to give up a second, then we need to work on our negotiating skills. If they initiated the (so far unsubstantiated) trade, then they see value, and they should be offering their 2nd/round pick, this year.
 
MorKnolle said:
I'm glad to see a VY fan admit that drafting him is more of a good business decision rather than a good football decision, and luckily for the rest of us good teams are built on making wise football decisions and not drafting someone just to sell a few more jerseys.
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I think it would be a good football decision, and a no brainer business move.

I'd be happy, if I can get a Carr fan to admit their decision is based on Homerism. And nothing more.


:homer:
 
Hottoddie said:
Do the Dolphins want to pay $24.5 million over the next three years for Carr?
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The Dolphins, nor any other team that traded for Carr, would have to pay David $24.5 mil over 3 seasons. If the Texans paid the $8 mil option and traded Carr, the team David goes to would be responsible for a 3 year, $16.5 million contract. And they could cut or trade Carr at any time without a cap penalty.

If the Texans decided to exercise Carr's option, then trade David and eat the bonus, there would be suitors for his services. It's not going to happen, but these "journalists" should at least get their facts straight.
 
Lucky said:
The Dolphins, nor any other team that traded for Carr, would have to pay David $24.5 mil over 3 seasons. If the Texans paid the $8 mil option and traded Carr, the team David goes to would be responsible for a 3 year, $16.5 million contract. And they could cut or trade Carr at any time without a cap penalty.

If the Texans decided to exercise Carr's option, then trade David and eat the bonus, there would be suitors for his services. It's not going to happen, but these "journalists" should at least get their facts straight.
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Thank you. I don't think it is going to happen--because the Texans won't try--but the Texans paying the $8 mil would actually make Carr a more attractive QB for teams because they wouldn't be on the hook for any of that bonus money and would be left with what at that point would not be a burdensome QB contract.
 
i was just wondering if anyone heard about the texans swaping 1 rd pick with the dolphins and picking up ricky williams? i heard it somewhere but don't know if it is something that they are really considering?
 
that would be an awful trade, and i see no way that happens

swaping 1sts is way too high of a price to pay for ricky williams.
 
I heard on ESPN this morning that there is a rumor that the Broncos will trade for Ricky Williams if they do not get Terrell Owens.
 
Ricky Williams has nothing on DD. That would be a :brickwall move if I ever saw one. A 7th round pick is worth more to me than Smoke. I still have no respect for Smoke. You just don't up and leave your team in the lurch like that. Horrible. Sorry, off-topic.
 
tulexan said:
I heard on ESPN this morning that there is a rumor that the Broncos will trade for Ricky Williams if they do not get Terrell Owens.
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Does that make any sense? I guess it does in Bristol's Fantasyland. They don't play the same position, what would one have to do with the other?
 
tulexan said:
I heard on ESPN this morning that there is a rumor that the Broncos will trade for Ricky Williams if they do not get Terrell Owens.
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I agree, what sense would it make for the Broncos to grab Ricky Williams when they already have Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, and Ron Dayne? I could see them trading for a player at almost any position other than QB and RB.
 
MorKnolle said:
I agree, what sense would it make for the Broncos to grab Ricky Williams when they already have Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, and Ron Dayne? I could see them trading for a player at almost any position other than QB and RB.
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It seems to be a strange idea, but the sports radio in Denver is reporting that there has been two internal Broncos meetings ragarding picking up Ricky. Not sure were they are at with it, but this is the group that picked up Clarrett.
 
El Tejano said:
I really wouldn't mind getting Gus Ferrote. He would be the ideal warmer for Vince Young.
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I don't know about ole Gussy Free Rot! Leave him be. I'd take the Ricky Williams trade ...anything to free me of this David Carr bondage. Don't get me wrong ...he's a great kid ...and he was a really good ambassador for the city of Houston. I've supported him the past few years because of his healthy attitude.

But seriously ...you gotta take Vince ...u just gotta.

Now ...are there any rumors of a Texans-Saints trade? I'd be really interested in knowing that.

I wonder if anything like that has ever happened ...u know ...1st and 2nd picks in the draft by one team??? Anyone know?
 
Tha_Tinman said:
I don't know about ole Gussy Free Rot! Leave him be. I'd take the Ricky Williams trade ...anything to free me of this David Carr bondage. Don't get me wrong ...he's a great kid ...and he was a really good ambassador for the city of Houston. I've supported him the past few years because of his healthy attitude.

But seriously ...you gotta take Vince ...u just gotta.

Now ...are there any rumors of a Texans-Saints trade? I'd be really interested in knowing that.

I wonder if anything like that has ever happened ...u know ...1st and 2nd picks in the draft by one team??? Anyone know?
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It likely has never happened, Washington had the #3/4 or 4/5 a few years back but that's the closest thing I've heard of, and it won't happen again this year. It would be ridiculous to try and make a trade with the Saints to get the #2, we're going to have to give up Carr ($8 million cap hit to do so) and probably Andre Johnson (another $7-8 million cap hit) to get the #2 pick, then we have two rookies that will cost a combined $100 million over 5-6 years, no good WR to go with a QB that's already going to take 1-2 years to develop into a starter, and we've tied up 30% of our money for the next 5-6 years and won't be able to afford to bring in much of anything else. The economics of that kind of a trade don't make any sense, the football aspect of it doesn't make any sense, and it will never happen.
 
The Ricky-to-Denver thing seems to have legs. And there are people out there looking for a QB, so a Carr trade doesn't seem to be out of the question, though from what everyone connected to the Texicans says we are married to Carr forever and a day. Maybe that's real or maybe that's talk, I have no clue. I persist in thinking that given the state of the team if we could get good value out of Carr now we should do it. Ricky and a pick? Better yet, the Jets, the Raiders, even N.O.? The Phins?

I mean, given the disenchantment that everyone has to feel to a certain degree, I figure they gotta listen if people come calling. But hey, that's me. Kubiak says he loves Carr, Casserly, too, McNair wishes Carr were his son, sounds like. A change of heart seems unlikely.
 
MorKnolle said:
It likely has never happened, Washington had the #3/4 or 4/5 a few years back but that's the closest thing I've heard of, and it won't happen again this year. It would be ridiculous to try and make a trade with the Saints to get the #2, we're going to have to give up Carr ($8 million cap hit to do so) and probably Andre Johnson (another $7-8 million cap hit) to get the #2 pick, then we have two rookies that will cost a combined $100 million over 5-6 years, no good WR to go with a QB that's already going to take 1-2 years to develop into a starter, and we've tied up 30% of our money for the next 5-6 years and won't be able to afford to bring in much of anything else. The economics of that kind of a trade don't make any sense, the football aspect of it doesn't make any sense, and it will never happen.
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Ahh not so much ...I mean what happens if the Texans don't offer this extension to Carr ...that $8 Mil just goes away right ...and Carr becomes a free agent ...not this year but next? Is that how it works?

Anyways, Domanick already got his extension AND his phat bonus check ...he's a solid back ...nobody really talks about him in this whole equation.

And as far as the cap goes ...McNair (Or was that Les Alexander ...anyways) has said that he will spend the money to get the players he needs ...so hey ...its only money ...right? Give the fans what they want ...and its not whether you win or lose ...its how many people you can get to watch it!

One more point!!!! LEARN FROM THE ROCKETS!!! They had 3 first round picks when Rashard Lewis came out ...boy don't they regret not taking that hometown kid!
 
I wonder if a trade of DD and a third for the Dolphins first rounder would be plausible. This would give the dolphins two solid backs and they could then trade ricky to the Broncos. This helps houston becuase we could then have 2 firsts, 1 second, and 1 third. So, with our first, we could trade down to 4, pick up a second and player TBD. This way we have 2 first, 2 second, 1 3rd. We could take 2 playmakers in the first round, 2 in the second and still have the first pick in the third round plus the player we picked up in the trade to 4.
 
Tha_Tinman said:
Ahh not so much ...I mean what happens if the Texans don't offer this extension to Carr ...that $8 Mil just goes away right ...and Carr becomes a free agent ...not this year but next? Is that how it works?

Anyways, Domanick already got his extension AND his phat bonus check ...he's a solid back ...nobody really talks about him in this whole equation.

And as far as the cap goes ...McNair (Or was that Les Alexander ...anyways) has said that he will spend the money to get the players he needs ...so hey ...its only money ...right? Give the fans what they want ...and its not whether you win or lose ...its how many people you can get to watch it!

One more point!!!! LEARN FROM THE ROCKETS!!! They had 3 first round picks when Rashard Lewis came out ...boy don't they regret not taking that hometown kid!
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If we don't resign Carr and let him go, then we won't be able to trade him for the #2 pick, as was suggested in the previous scenario, so we don't get the top two picks and draft Reggie and Vince. Either way they've repeatedly said they are resigning Carr and they like him as QB.

awtysst said:
I wonder if a trade of DD and a third for the Dolphins first rounder would be plausible. This would give the dolphins two solid backs and they could then trade ricky to the Broncos. This helps houston becuase we could then have 2 firsts, 1 second, and 1 third. So, with our first, we could trade down to 4, pick up a second and player TBD. This way we have 2 first, 2 second, 1 3rd. We could take 2 playmakers in the first round, 2 in the second and still have the first pick in the third round plus the player we picked up in the trade to 4.
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If the Dolphins are looking to get rid of Ricky Williams (who is still a decent RB but is currently quite cheap) why would they trade away their 1st round pick for another RB that is going to cost them a lot more money, especially when one of their top needs this offseason is a QB, and they will likely go for a QB like Jay Cutler in the 1st round?
 
MorKnolle said:
If the Dolphins are looking to get rid of Ricky Williams (who is still a decent RB but is currently quite cheap) why would they trade away their 1st round pick for another RB that is going to cost them a lot more money, especially when one of their top needs this offseason is a QB, and they will likely go for a QB like Jay Cutler in the 1st round?
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One reason could be that they dont trust ricky. he is one drug test away from doom and maybe they still dont trust him. Plus Dom is younger and can compliment Ronnie Brown as the cadilac did in college. So what Miami can do is trade Ricky to Denver and pick up extra picks. It would rid them of ricky, get them a good young back, and extra picks.
 
awtysst said:
One reason could be that they dont trust ricky. he is one drug test away from doom and maybe they still dont trust him. Plus Dom is younger and can compliment Ronnie Brown as the cadilac did in college. So what Miami can do is trade Ricky to Denver and pick up extra picks. It would rid them of ricky, get them a good young back, and extra picks.
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I wouldn't trust Ricky either, but that doesn't change the fact that the Dolphins won't even consider giving up the #16 pick for Domanick Davis and one of our 3rd rounders.
 
MorKnolle said:
If we don't resign Carr and let him go, then we won't be able to trade him for the #2 pick, as was suggested in the previous scenario, so we don't get the top two picks and draft Reggie and Vince. Either way they've repeatedly said they are resigning Carr and they like him as QB.
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Are these the same people who said they were going to fix the Offensive line, and get David some help??

MorKnolle said:
If the Dolphins are looking to get rid of Ricky Williams (who is still a decent RB but is currently quite cheap) why would they trade away their 1st round pick for another RB that is going to cost them a lot more money, especially when one of their top needs this offseason is a QB, and they will likely go for a QB like Jay Cutler in the 1st round?
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If Jay is their guy, they won't be looking to trade for the #1. They'd be going for Lienart, or Young.
 
Either way everythings good but I think we should go after DE Jason Taylor. Then pick up Edgerrin James or another TB to save cost on a DE.Lets make a multipule player deal and get the players that don't fit there 34 for some of our that don't fit the 43...

Carr
Walker
and 2 LBer
for
DE Jason Taylor
RB Ricky Williams
CB Sam Madison
LB --?--
AND a 3rd
 
BlueThunder said:
Carr
Walker
and 2 LBer
for
DE Jason Taylor
RB Ricky Williams
CB Sam Madison
LB --?--
AND a 3rd
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BT, while I doubt that trade would be made it would be a good team to trade with on the defensive side since we're both switching. We do have some extra DT's and OLB's...
 
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