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i think some of the guys we have backing up our starters on the oline are questionable. we all know how the browns game went.

i think we have enough depth at SS where they could have let walker go. i love the idea of him being a standout on special teams, but im sure they could have let a younger guy step in there to save a spot.

maybe its just me, but there were just a couple of guys i would have tried to keep if it meant shuffling people around or what not.

vinny, i know you felt he would stay, and you were right, but do you feel that he is going to contribute alot to special teams and the offense?
 
its official on teh website the texans realeased sloan thomas and reggie swinton, this comes to a surprise cause both of them have essentially been great for us and reggie i thought was doin a hell of a job at returning kickoffs and sloan was makin play after play. we shoulda at least have carried a 6th WR on the chart.
 
I am just speechless right now, which is probably a good thing.

OK. I can talk now.

(SIGH)

(ANOTHER SIGH)

What in the wide wide world of sports is going on? Who suggested that Swinton and Thomas get cut, and more importantly who approved the cuts?

:brickwall :brickwall

See ya'll next year. This is just the icing on top of the c r a p cake for me. Nothing but pure politics. Period.

Did Trump start a TV reality show at Texans camp this year?
 
ccdude730 said:
vinny, i know you felt he would stay, and you were right, but do you feel that he is going to contribute alot to special teams and the offense?
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Most 3rd backs around the league play mainly special teams. Guys like Kerry Carter, Arlen Harris, & Eric Bickerstaff hang on year to year but never get much PT when it comes to the standard offense, but they all have a role on special teams and as an emergency back.
 
the wonger need food said:
Ragone is no great shakes, but he has outperformed every other QB on the roster.
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But who has he been playing against?? The answer to that is NFLE players, 3rd and 4th stringers. Banks has proven himself in regular-season games against actual NFL starters. His 3 starts in 2003 included wins over NFC champion Carolina, Atlanta, as well an overtime loss to Super Bowl champion New England.
 
Vinny:

Do you think it was a good call to cut Swinton and Sloan?

I can see Swinton getting cut (due to Mathis and Buchanon) but how does a guy like Sloan, who made some pretty clutch catches in pressure situations, get thrown under the bus?

Just wanted your take on it. And I know you might not be willing to tell us, so that's OK. Just curious.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Vinny:

Do you think it was a good call to cut Swinton and Sloan?

I can see Swinton getting cut (due to Mathis and Buchanon) but how does a guy like Sloan, who made some pretty clutch catches in pressure situations, get thrown under the bus?

Just wanted your take on it. And I know you might not be willing to tell us, so that's OK. Just curious.
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I think Sloan is much like Armstrong and Gaffney, and perhaps he slips to the PC...donno, but I like Gaff and Armstrong better than him as a possession guy at this point in each of their respective careers. I figured either Swinton or him would make the team but I wasn't expecting both to be cut. Mathis probably factored in the cutting of Swinton though. I think Pbuc will be the primary return man and Mathis showed enough to make him the PR2 guy, and I think Hollings will be in the mix on kick-off returns sometime this year.
 
I don't understand how they can cut Swinton. We realeased Moses because we wanted a guy that could take it to the house and play reciever. So what does Swinton do? He takes one to the house and he catches a touchdown pass. WTF are they thinking? I've tried to be positive through all of the moves this offseason, but this one just makes me scratch my head a bit... idonno:
 
TMac48 said:
But who has he been playing against??
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we know how banks did 2 years ago and we know how ragone did in europe.

but how have they done in camp and in the preseason? that is what im looking at and that is what i would base my decision on to move ragone to the number 2. as for banks? keep him at number 3 or find someone else.

i just dont want banks to come in this season if carr goes down and play like he did in the preseason. if we do base it on preseason, i want to see ragone in there with the rest of the 1st teamers.
 
TMac48 said:
I don't understand how they can cut Swinton. We realeased Moses because we wanted a guy that could take it to the house and play reciever. So what does Swinton do? He takes one to the house and he catches a touchdown pass. WTF are they thinking? I've tried to be positive through all of the moves this offseason, but this one just makes me scratch my head a bit... idonno:
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i think that they think that mathis and pbuc can take it to the house.
 
I have to say I am absolutely livid on us cutting... no.. it aint us... the texans cutting Sloan. Not only has he had several awesome plays and showed a huge amount of maturity, but he has been majorly giving a effort which I have seen disappear from some other folks... In addition, he was becoming a playmaker imo. I can see Swinton being cut.. but I feel we.. errrr the texans have made a HUGE error here... Dont tell me he will make the practice squad.. He will get picked up quickly from another team easy. I have NEVER bashed a coach here, but this was a STUPID move. Needless to say, I am quite bitter/
 
rmartin65 said:
i think that they think that mathis and pbuc can take it to the house.
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i think that tmac48 thinks that they didnt need to risk putting a starting CB back there.

jk. :) i dont want to put words in tmac48s mouth. that was just how i feel. yes i agree mathis and pbuc can take it back all the way, but its just that risk. well see how that pans out this season though.
 
Vinny said:
Most 3rd backs around the league play mainly special teams. Guys like Kerry Carter, Arlen Harris, & Eric Bickerstaff hang on year to year but never get much PT when it comes to the standard offense, but they all have a role on special teams and as an emergency back.
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Let's get this straight... he is the 4th back, not 3rd.
 
the wonger need food said:
Let's get this straight... he is the 4th back, not 3rd.
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Lets get this more straight.. he is what? 175 ibs of a special teams player who run into the punt returner.. So he aint even that good at that either..
 
Vinny said:
get it as straight as you want....semantics
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I've got it straight, just trying to help you out.

Bottom line is that the guy is garbage on offense and does not contribute on special teams. If they needed to keep a good special teams player they should have kept Starling. At least that guy contributed.

This was a political decision to save face for wasting a 2nd round pick on a defensive back that never proved anything as a running back.
 
I'm confused as all of you about Sloan, but I'm pumped to see Shantee Orr make the team. He's got good size and a good motor and he was able to pressure the QB off the practice squad last year. If Peek goes down between Orr and Anderson I don't think there will be much of a drop off. Go Blue!!
 
??? Are you #$%^ kidding me? We should have one more WR and one more CB than we do right now. You leave a one man cover in certain slots but have 3 centers and four HB's? Oh come oooooooooon! We couldn't drop Drew Hogdon, Brandon Evans or Tony Hollings, possibly Corey Bradford to keep Sloan and a cornerback? I don't understand why you would let a SS or FS fill a CB spot. C.C. Brown might be able to pull it but man listen... I hope this works out cause I'm feeling sick right now.
 
While I'm disappointed in Hollings performance this pre-season, I suspect that the team wants to give him 1 more year (they must think he's really special) to prove himself. After all, this'll be the first year that he's been completely healed. The same will hold true for Joppru, if he can get, & stay, healthy through next year.

I just hope that Capers isn't making personnel decisions based on him keeping his job, only.

By the way, did anyone notice that Wesley Britt was cut by San Diego? I know he's recovering from an injury, but he might be worth picking up.
 
TMac48 said:
But who has he been playing against?? The answer to that is NFLE players, 3rd and 4th stringers. Banks has proven himself in regular-season games against actual NFL starters. His 3 starts in 2003 included wins over NFC champion Carolina, Atlanta, as well an overtime loss to Super Bowl champion New England.
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You're very right. Banks has proven himself. He proven himself to be terrible.
 
Hottoddie said:
While I'm disappointed in Hollings performance this pre-season, I suspect that the team wants to give him 1 more year (they must think he's really special) to prove himself.
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I think it's more so that Davis & Wells are still a little banged up. If & when they're completely healthy, Hollings may be on shaky ground.
 
Cheroqui said:
??? Are you #$%^ kidding me? We should have one more WR and one more CB than we do right now. You leave a one man cover in certain slots but have 3 centers and four HB's? Oh come oooooooooon! We couldn't drop Drew Hogdon, Brandon Evans or Tony Hollings, possibly Corey Bradford to keep Sloan and a cornerback? I don't understand why you would let a SS or FS fill a CB spot. C.C. Brown might be able to pull it but man listen... I hope this works out man cause I'm feeling sick right now.
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Why is no one talking about Lewis Sanders? This guy has been toasted the entire preseason.

I'm convinced that there is no sense of urgency to win this year. There is no way that Sanders, Hollings, Banks and Bradford have earned their way onto this team during the preseason. It's a shame that the guys who actually make plays (Swinton, Thomas, Chamberlin) get cut while these underperformers keep getting a paycheck. Keep the politics in Austin.
 
the wonger need food said:
I've got it straight, just trying to help you out.

Bottom line is that the guy is garbage on offense and does not contribute on special teams. If they needed to keep a good special teams player they should have kept Starling. At least that guy contributed.

This was a political decision to save face for wasting a 2nd round pick on a defensive back that never proved anything as a running back.
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Ditto for me. This was a face saving decision. Nothing more, nothing less. Hollings has done zero to distinguish himself. Hopefully, Wells will be the #3 back, and Hollings will be inactive on game days, as Wells is a better RB, and ST player than Hollings, and can also play some at FB. I am as perplexed and disapointed as most of the others here about the cuts...both those made, as well as those not made.

Now that we are at the end of the road of the offseason, from FA signings, trades, releases, draft, cuts, etc., I have to say I am hugely disapointed overall in this opffseaon. The list is too long. Suffice it to say, I have disagreed with almost every major, and many minor decisisons they have made this year. Time will tell, and I will wait for the season to play out, but I am moving my prediction down to 7-9, and I feel that may now be generous. I feel like the team has taken a step back, and IF I am right, I will be one that will be calling for changes to coaches, and potentially the front office. I think Mcnair will be feeling the heat of dedicated and VERY patient fans like myself, if my prediction comes to fruition. I sincerely hope I am wrong. :tomato:
 
the wonger need food said:
Why is no one talking about Lewis Sanders? This guy has been toasted the entire preseason.

I'm convinced that there is no sense of urgency to win this year. Their is no way that Sanders, Hollings, Banks and Bradford have earned their way onto this team during the preseason. It's a shame that the guys who actually make plays (Swinton, Thomas, Chamberlin) get cut while these underperformers keep getting a paycheck. Keep the politics in Austin.
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I'm not sure if we share the same brain or not...but Ditto again.
 
On a couple of the cuts:

Swinton: Yes, he was the best return man and can contribute as a Wr, but he will never be more than a 4th WR barring injury. Mathis will improve as a returner and has potential to be a legitimate NFL WR, not just a fill-in type.

Hollings: Besides the fact that Tony has figured out he needs to play special teams, there really is not a 3rd or 4th Rb in camp that was better than him. The numbers just worked in his favor.

Thomas: While he had catches and yards was any of it in the first half or against a number one defense? I don't think so. He also is a repeat of Armstrong in terms of his overall skill package. Most likely (not guaranteed) he will clear to the practice squad and continue to develop for the future.

Bradford: Not a big fan, but not convinced as some here that Armstrong, Mathis or Thomas are better than him at this point in thier careers. I am guessing that we have only one more year to whine about his presence on the team.
 
This was a political decision to save face for wasting a 2nd round pick on a defensive back that never proved anything as a running back.
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Ive already responded to this comment once but I will do it again.

There is NO logic in calling this a "political move"

for one.. the majority of Texans fans do not even know who Hollings is. he has never been a big name and the only people who know who he is or what we spent on him are the hardcore fans.

for two.. how can you say ANYTHING that the Texans organization has done is "political" when we just got finished cutting Sharper, Foreman, and Glenn? It is pretty dang obvious that we are willing to do whatever it takes to make this a good football team.. regardless of whether or not it is a "politically" positive move.

Please.. stop spreading such stupid rumors.

bottom line is that we did not have enough depth at RB and FB to let Hollings go.
 
Cheroqui said:
I don't understand why you would let a SS or FS fill a CB spot. C.C. Brown might be able to pull it but man listen... I hope this works out man cause I'm feeling sick right now.
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Keep in mind that Simmons has the ability to play CB if needed, and he does a decent job at it.


the wonger need food said:
Why is no one talking about Lewis Sanders? This guy has been toasted the entire preseason.
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I, and others, mentioned his poor play after the Raiders game as well. If McKenzie isn't hobbled by the hamstring injury we're probably talking about him making it as a 4th CB, but then again he might have still got cut since he'd be PS elligible whereas Sanders isn't.
 
Grid said:
bottom line is that we did not have enough depth at RB and FB to let Hollings go.
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RB: dom davis, morency, wells

FB: norris, wells

what more depth do you HONESTLY need? if dom davis goes down (i hope he doesnt, but its a real possibility) we have morency then wells. our base offense is usually 3 wr, 1 te, and 1 rb. the fullback is not a huge position to where we need a plethora of guys for depth. norris is the main guy, wells is there to add another dimension when he is in.

IMO we have plenty of depth if we were going to release him. vinny believes it is his special teams that keeps him here while others think it is political. we are never going to know
 
texasguy346 said:
Keep in mind that Simmons has the ability to play CB if needed, and he does a decent job at it.
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i think simmons is one of the more versatile guys in our defensive backfield. he can come in a SS, FS, CB, and special teams.

anyone forgeting the hit he put on chris brown when we played the titans?
 
RB: dom davis, morency, wells

FB: norris, wells

what more depth do you HONESTLY need?
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Well lets see.

Davis has gone down for at least one game every year. SO if Davis was to go down.. Lets say Morency goes in. Ok so Morency is in.. and lets say something happens to Norris and Wells has to start at FB.

We now have NO DEPTH at FB or RB. If either of these guys go down we have NO ONE to replace them. With just TWO injuries you are out of depth.

Thats why Hollings needed to stay. Well..thats not why Hollings needed to stay..but thats why we needed a 4th RB on the roster. Personally I would have preffered we let him go and got someone else off the waiver wire.
 
i wasn't that impressed with swinton, seems to me he made some bad decisions when trying to field returns, including a fumble in the dallas game. Also, with a o-line that can't give the Q-back much time, how is he expected to connect with his WR anyway?
 
Grid said:
Well lets see.

Davis has gone down for at least one game every year. SO if Davis was to go down.. Lets say Morency goes in. Ok so Morency is in.. and lets say something happens to Norris and Wells has to start at FB.

We now have NO DEPTH at FB or RB. If either of these guys go down we have NO ONE to replace them. With just TWO injuries you are out of depth.

Thats why Hollings needed to stay. Well..thats not why Hollings needed to stay..but thats why we needed a 4th RB on the roster. Personally I would have preffered we let him go and got someone else off the waiver wire.
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Quinton Griffin would be a good candidate for that , Yeah I know he's a Sooner but he would sure as hell be an upgrade over Hollings http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395972
 
Grid said:
Well lets see.

Davis has gone down for at least one game every year. SO if Davis was to go down.. Lets say Morency goes in. Ok so Morency is in.. and lets say something happens to Norris and Wells has to start at FB.

We now have NO DEPTH at FB or RB. If either of these guys go down we have NO ONE to replace them. With just TWO injuries you are out of depth.
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interesting scenario, but not a likely one. like i said, norris is a FB that we likely wont use down after down. but im not saying its impossible for him to get hurt.

but in the bucs game did you see murphy moving around? seems like he could be more of an hback for us than just a TE.

your point is valid and im sure i would COMPLETELY agree with you if it were someone besides hollings.
 
Hollings is a BUST...they would be better off cutting this 4th string running back and keeping Sloan Thomas just to send a message that working your Butt off in pre season matters.

And speaking of BUSTS "and always injured"...Instead of Joppru ..the Texans could of drafted Jason Witten (Dallas stud TE). Oh wait...Charlie's A Genius!

Finally...Corey Bradford must have pictures of a coaches wife. "Hands of Stone" has mouthed off alot this pre-season and done NOTHING!

No wonder the team plays flat...I'm inspired.

<end of rant>
 
And speaking of BUSTS "and always injured"...Instead of Joppru ..the Texans could of drafted Jason Witten (Dallas stud TE). Oh wait...Charlie's A Genius!
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Im sure we could all make a superbowl team if we went back and saw what draft picks we COULD have taken at each spot.

Matter of fact.. every team in the NFL would be better off if they could go back in time and change their draft picks to make sure they took the best player available in every round.

Casserly has done a great job so far. We have some of the best young players in the NFL.
 
My thing is this. Capers said he was looking for guys who still had fight in them when the game is out of reach. Thomas showed that, Hollings didn't. He was also looking for someone who could contribute on ST and offensively. Swinton did that and Hollings didn't. You wanna keep Bradford because of past experience and already developed chemistry with the QB (although this wasn't shown in the preseason) fine. But Hollings hasn't shown fight, hasn't done nothing on ST or the offense. And you really can't say anything about Hollings hasn't proven himself yet. He has been given plenty of opportunity but he has only responded with an injury or poor play. I would rather have a guy that returned kicks only, then risk injury to a starter on defense and risk injury to a key player off the bench offensively.

I also am sick and tired of Joppru on this team. 3 years, 3 injuries. Let him go and let's go on. I realize this guy may still have some upside but he isn't helping us put the best players on the field for us at this time. I am looking for the logic in keeping him.

I just see us not having any clue as to what we do with this team.
 
The thing about Joppru (I think) is that he's not getting paid much anyway (salary cap) and there's absolutely no FA's to replace him with anyway. Add to that the dream that he might get healthy some day and play well and they might as well keep him in PUP. I know it's really really frustrating, but I don't think cutting him would help in any way.

I totally agree with you about Hollings and Bradford and about keeping Sloan Thomas.
 
Cheroqui said:
??? Are you #$%^ kidding me? We should have one more WR and one more CB than we do right now. You leave a one man cover in certain slots but have 3 centers and four HB's? Oh come oooooooooon! We couldn't drop Drew Hogdon, Brandon Evans or Tony Hollings, possibly Corey Bradford to keep Sloan and a cornerback? I don't understand why you would let a SS or FS fill a CB spot. C.C. Brown might be able to pull it but man listen... I hope this works out man cause I'm feeling sick right now.
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It's a mistake that Brandon Evans is still listed on the depth chart. He's on the cut list and was removed from the roster. But I agree, there are too many o-lineman on the roster. One of those spots could have gone Sloan. I feel like I'm a little biased because he's a Longhorn, but he made great plays and showed what heart and fire (and skill) he has during this preseason.
 
GoBlue said:
I'm confused as all of you about Sloan, but I'm pumped to see Shantee Orr make the team. He's got good size and a good motor and he was able to pressure the QB off the practice squad last year. If Peek goes down between Orr and Anderson I don't think there will be much of a drop off. Go Blue!!
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He's been my favorite backup since the 2003 season when so many starters were hurt. Shantee was the guy I got excited about when I saw him run on the field during the drive - because I knew he'd be gunning for the quarterback. And we've had so little of that (QB pressure/sacks) during the first 3 seasons.

I'm very glad to see that he's still a Texan.
 
texasguy346 said:
Keep in mind that Simmons has the ability to play CB if needed, and he does a decent job at it.
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Yeah I agree with you on that. I couldn't cover or evaluate everyone but yeah I know Simmons gets it done. I just meant that if you look at the depth chart some of the slots look crazy. Having Chester Pitts or J. Babin with no one behind them, but 3 centers, and then 4 RB's immidiately puts you on that "We could have room for him mode". Yes people can ba shifted, I know you can just as easily slide people around. One from the left, goes to the right side of the formation, etc. but you know most people around here wanted or wants someone one to stay or be brought in to fill a "void".
 
Tulip said:
One of those spots could have gone Sloan, he made great plays and showed what heart and fire (and skill) he has during this preseason.
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Maybe it's a cut and re-hire type of deal. No? :shrug:
 
Casserly FORCING Capers to keep him? THAT is not how a team works. The cuts are not cleared through Charley. Capers team makes those calls. Cass makes the final draft calls. Now it is probably true he is on the team because of burning a 2 on him, but that is likely because Capers pushed for him.
 
El Tejano said:
My thing is this. Capers said he was looking for guys who still had fight in them when the game is out of reach. Thomas showed that, Hollings didn't. He was also looking for someone who could contribute on ST and offensively. Swinton did that and Hollings didn't...
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That's an excellent point. Shows how little stock the Texans put into the results of these exhibition games. I think the roster decisions were made well before the Buc game. John McClain had indicated prior to the game that Sloan Thomas wasn't going to make it.
 
Grid said:
Well lets see.

Davis has gone down for at least one game every year. SO if Davis was to go down.. Lets say Morency goes in. Ok so Morency is in.. and lets say something happens to Norris and Wells has to start at FB.

We now have NO DEPTH at FB or RB. If either of these guys go down we have NO ONE to replace them. With just TWO injuries you are out of depth.

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There is always Robaire Smith in this dooms day scenario.
 
Keeping Hollings is uselessin opinion. Matt Murphey was adequate at full back in TC. They ahve options to fill gaps in depth. There must be other reasons for keeping Hollings. I think they believe they can pull off some sort of trade for a draft pick for him and didn't want to release him where he could be picked up for free. If that is what they thing, I think they are highly delusional considering Quinten Griffen was relase by Denver. If they are smart, they will go after Griffen and dump Hollings on his ***.

I'm crossingmy fingers that Sloan clears waivers and we resign him to the practice squad until there is room to elevate him to the active roster.
 
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