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Robert Griffin III "heartbroken" over split...

Meh... This is another story of an excellent HS and College QB from the state, neh, the Great State of Texas whose skills just don't translate to the NFL. It's a difference.

As an aside, I'm looking at you TJ Mills! We ran a Pro-set at the 'Bury. We did pretty good putting Tory Crawford as the Commander of West Point's offense, you know. Running the ball with a pretty damn good drop-back passer that could run the the option BUT throw the ball when needed!!!

TJ Mills went on to win 3 State Championships in Sealy before moving on to Permian, where he never reached the playoffs. As a second aside, Willie Amandola was my LB's coach. YES!! That Amendola!
 
Meh... This is another story of an excellent HS and College QB from the state, neh, the Great State of Texas whose skills just don't translate to the NFL. It's a difference.

Uh... not exactly. If not for his injury, RGIII would have kept winning & earned time to adjust to the NFL. Just like Russell Wilson is doing, just like Cam Newton is doing. Just like Michael Vick would have, had he been a decent human being.

When they can't make plays, when they can't win, the leash gets shorter & shorter.

If he's healthy in 2015, he may get every bit of that $16M in 2016.
 
Uh... not exactly. If not for his injury, RGIII would have kept winning & earned time to adjust to the NFL. Just like Russell Wilson is doing, just like Cam Newton is doing. Just like Michael Vick would have, had he been a decent human being.

When they can't make plays, when they can't win, the leash gets shorter & shorter.

If he's healthy in 2015, he may get every bit of that $16M in 2016.

Agree to disagree.

How successful have spread QB's been in the NFL, generally speaking? The last really good NFL QB that came from a "spread offense" was a really good-sized guy from Alcorn State. A guy much bigger & stronger than RGIII. A guy that truly learned how to become a pocket passer, yet was able to use his legs when needed.

No, I'm not talking about Steve Young (who could run like a mofo), I'm talking about Steve McNair. RGIII, Vince Young, (et etc.) are nothing like that.

If he's healthy in 2015
If he's healthy in 2015, why would he be? he hasn't been healthy yet!
 
Agree to disagree.

How successful have spread QB's been in the NFL, generally speaking? The last really good NFL QB that came from a "spread offense" was a really good-sized guy from Alcorn State. A guy much bigger & stronger than RGIII. A guy that truly learned how to become a pocket passer, yet was able to use his legs when needed.

No, I'm not talking about Steve Young (who could run like a mofo), I'm talking about Steve McNair. RGIII, Vince Young, (et etc.) are nothing like that.

Big Ben & Flacco are pretty "successful."

A lot of people are in love with this Mariota guy... & I am too, kinda.


If he's healthy in 2015, why would he be? he hasn't been healthy yet!

That's my point, health has been his issue. Two serious lower leg issues & he'll most likely never be the guy he could have been.

Spread QBs need more time to "adjust" I'm not denying that. Their ability to make plays that help win games is usually what buys them that time. That's all I'm saying.
 
Mike Shanahan: Injuries aren't behind RGIII's struggles

Prior to Robert Griffin III's January 2013 knee injury, he authored one of NFL history's most impressive rookie seasons, ushering in the Washington Redskins' fleeting "era of unbridled optimism."

Since collapsing in a heap at the 5-yard line of FedEx Field 16 games into his career, Griffin has regressed as much as any quarterback we've ever seen, leaving his future in question entering the 2015 season.

To hear former coach Mike Shanahan tell it, injuries can't be blamed for Griffin's struggles.

"I don't think getting hurt has anything to do with it," Shanahan told WJFK in Washington on Friday. "I think what you do is you rehab yourself and you get better. ... You don't have to have great running ability to run the read-option. You have to be able to know when to slide, when to throw the football away, depending on if you're running or passing."

It must be pointed out that Shanahan has a vested interest in driving this particular narrative. From Griffin's early December knee injury versus the Ravens through the torn ACL in the playoffs of the 2013 season, Shanahan was second-guessed for his handling of the situation.

That said, Shanahan is unquestionably correct that Griffin's dramatic tailspin goes far beyond the injuries.

By the middle of last season, Griffin was a dysfunctional quarterback. He had devolved in his footwork, failed to decipher defenses, crumpled in the face of pressure and refused to pull the trigger on throws. His inability or unwillingness to execute a simple baseball slide outside the pocket remains one of the league's most profound head-scratchers.

"Robert has a lot of ability. He's a charismatic guy. He's got mobility. He's got arm strength. He's a very bright guy," Shanahan continued. "But he hasn't done things that the NFL asks you to do, and it does take some growing pains to go through that.

"All quarterbacks do -- you take a look at (John) Elway, you take a look at (Peyton) Manning, Steve Young -- it doesn't happen overnight, and they ran the pro offenses all the way through college. When you haven't run that type of system, it's going to take a little bit longer, and you better really work on it inside and out to get better at it or you'll just be right in the middle of the road."

The middle of the road is exactly where Griffin's career stands entering a make-or-break season in Washington. It's fair to question if that would be the case if not for the shredded knee that robbed RGIII of his dynamic playmaking ability -- as well as his confidence.
 
NFL Head Coach on Jay Gruden Leaving RG3 in Game: 'It Looks Personal to Me'

After watching the Detroit Lions use Robert Griffin III as a practice dummy, I texted a head coach, one whom I know is a huge RG3 fan, to get his thoughts. His immediate reply: "I have never, ever, on any level, seen a head coach treat his quarterback with such a lack of respect."

Please explain.

The coach does, beginning with the game tape of the offensive line. "It's easy to see that the line play was in shambles," the coach said. "That happens, especially this time of year.

"That Lions front, even without [Ndamukong] Suh, is pretty ferocious. As a coach, you see your guys getting beat, and you see your quarterback especially take that first shot, every coach I know would have taken their quarterback out of the game."

The coach stressed it's not that Griffin might take hard shots. It's that the line was playing so poorly that he was destined to.

"You can see from the tape it just wasn't their night," the coach said of the line.

"What is baffling," he said, "is that I can't think of a single head coach in the NFL who would take an injury-prone quarterback, put him behind a very shaky offensive line, in a preseason game, watch him take those kinds of hits, and leave him in the game. It looks personal to me."

That last sentence is not an uncommon thought around the NFL. More than a few assistant coaches and one player I spoke to believe that the strained relationship between Jay Gruden and RG3 has not improved, and that what happened in that game is proof. (NFL.com compiled the hits in this video.)

In Tennessee's preseason game against St. Louis on Sunday night, after Marcus Mariota was hit once--and not nearly as hard as Griffin--he was taken out on the very next play. The Titans protected Mariota.

Gruden didn't leave Griffin in the game to get injured, these people believe. He was left in the game to do what Gruden has done since he became coach of the team: To show Griffin who's boss, the way some dog owners stupidly rub their pooch's noses in poop to keep them from eliminating on the carpet again. This has been a Gruden trademark with Griffin. More on that in a moment.

All of this points to one problem in Washington: It's likely Gruden and RG3 are headed toward more strains on what has been an already terribly strained relationship, and the team overall seems headed for another horrible season.

RG3's health will be a constant story and his relationship with Gruden its twin brother. These two things, in the past, have proven disastrous companions. There's no reason to believe that will change. The franchise has two playoff wins since 1992 and in the last two seasons is 7-25.

While RG3 is far from faultless in what's happened to his career—he at times has been, like many stars, a pompous ass—how he's been handled by the organization, especially under Gruden, is the primary culprit.

Gruden has at times displayed open hostility to Griffin. Some of his comments have been unlike anything ever seen in the modern NFL, when it comes to a coach publicly talking about his quarterback. Remember these staggering comments after a 20-point loss last season to the Buccaneers?

"His footwork was below average," Gruden told reporters (h/t NFL.com's Dan Hanzus). "He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can't happen. He stepped up when he didn't have to step up, and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times."

Gruden once said it was important for Washington to get a lead so Griffin didn't have to do a lot of dropback passing and reading of defenses. That was an unnecessary moment of nastiness.

Then there were the reports like this one from Jason Reid of the Washington Post that clearly came from the coaching staff. Then there was the almost unbelievable remark from Gruden that RG3 needs to get up faster after getting hit. Remember, during his tenure with Gruden, RG3 has endured some of the more physical hits you will ever see.

It's not that a coach can't speak about a quarterback that way, it's just that it almost never happens. Ever. It's comments like those that make people around the sport think Gruden purposely left Griffin in the game too long.

Again, RG3 is partly to blame here. It is totally fair to go off on him, as former Washington running back turned analyst Brian Mitchell did this week. His comments on CSN Mid-Atlantic were absolutely scathing, centering around Griffin's best-in-the-league, in-context/taken-out-of-context comments to WJLA's Alex Parker, but also putting into splendid focus what some people think of Griffin.

The quote below from Mitchell is run in its near-entirety because it represents the other side of this story, that this isn't personal by Gruden. It's that Griffin is an egomaniac:

The media didn't take off with anything. I think everybody that heard him make the comments took off with it. And he says things over and over again, and then he has to come back and he wants to explain what he said. He's a smart enough young man with enough intelligence to know how to say something the first time, where you don't have to constantly come back and give a press conference after your football team said you weren't speaking, and he forced his way into speaking.

What I'm seeing right now is a team that's coddling a young man, which is hurting him in the process. If they want to sit up here and blame the media for every damn thing that he does and every mistake that they make, it's about time that they start doing their job. ...

You talk a lot less, you have a lot less problems. I don't think [any] of us in the media will sit there and say, 'Well, we're gonna use Robert to make something happen.' No, Robert says something that's off-kilter and sometimes...absolutely stupid and asinine that makes us say things about him. ...

We don't wake up in the morning looking for him. And, dude, you're not that damn important where you think we need your name to go out there and get people to click on stories. There's enough stupidity going on around here. ...

[Y]ou're not that damn important. What's gonna make you important...you need to shut the hell up and start playing football. That will make you important. Win football games in this city, and you would have this city at the palm of your hands. You had it, and you're starting to lose it because you talk.

And there are a lot of people that were supporting him that are now starting to turn their back, because they see a guy who seems to be so full of himself and not doing what he's supposed to be doing. You came here to be a football player, not a damn philosopher...not a guy that's always giving us these damn quotes. Who gives a damn? Normally people care about quotes when you are successful, and he has not been successful enough to be giving me a quote.

I'm 47 years old. What the hell, I'm gonna listen to a little wet-behind-the-ears 24-year-old kid who's done nothing—nothing—to be sitting up here and think we're gonna listen to him all day? Do your job. Which he hasn't done.

So don't sit up there as a franchise, as a PR department, and sit up here and like this kid is so right. He's wrong. He does a lot of stupid stuff, and it's about time he hears it instead of people kissing his tail all the damn time. ...

I watch this team. I'm passionate about this team. And I see this one dude who we talk about every day too damn much because he doesn't know to shut up and perform."
 
Respect is a two way street. I don't see why Gruden is supposed to get on his knees for Griffin when the guy won't listen to a thing he says. He got coddled by ownership the second he got drafted and the owner put him above his coaches and took away their power over him. He's an egomaniac who cares more about getting pub than getting better.
 
Shanahan appeared on ESPN Radio’s “Mike and Mike,” where he was asked to comment “about either the way that [Griffin is] playing, or maybe some way that he can play better.”

“To be honest with you, you don’t get to study him on a day-to-day basis,” Shanahan said. “I don’t look at his film every day. But I can give you an opinion after my first year when I was there: you get a guy like Robert who’s been with an offense, very comfortable with what he did in college. He never had a playbook. Never had two-level throws or three-level throws. So you could see very quickly that was going to take some time.

“But you had a guy that had some great athletic skills, a guy that was very smart, a guy that was into the game,” Shanahan said. “And what you try to do is utilize those talents and go with it. You know, some guys, at the end of the season — like Robert did — he felt like he was a little bit more of a drop-back passer than a few of us thought. And now he’s going to have a chance to go out and prove himself.”​

Then Shanahan was asked a sort of rambling non-question about how to figure out when a “multi-talented” quarterback like Griffin or Marcus Mariota should be kept in the pocket, and when utilized in a different way.

“You know, I think there’s a few things in that evaluation process,” Shanahan said. “If you take a guy like Mariota — and I don’t know him — but if you take a look at him and you look at him last night a little bit: how he’s sitting in the pocket, how he was excellent with his footwork, dumped the ball off a couple times at the last second. And those are the things that you’re looking for from a coordinator standpoint or a head coach standpoint: does he have the ability to stay in the pocket, shuffle, kind of buy time a little bit, or is he looking at the pass rush?

“And sometimes that just takes a little bit more time than others,” Shanahan said. “Not that you can’t correct it, but you have to do the things that he’s comfortable in doing before you go to that, or you’ve got to make a decision [that] you’ve got to go with somebody else.”​
 
As Robert Griffin IIImorphed from the rookie of the year in 2012 to a huge disappointment in 2013, questions started to be raised about whether his offensive line disliked him. At one point late in the 2013 season, it was observed that Washington’s offensive linemen hardly ever helped Griffin up after sacks, and reports out of the team’s locker room began to indicate that players were tired of Griffin’s refusal to take the blame when things went wrong.

Two years later, Griffin still doesn’t seem to be winning any friends in the locker room.

At today’s press conference, Griffin was asked about problems with the team’s pass protection. Although Griffin said he wouldn’t point fingers at his offensive linemen, he also didn’t put the blame on himself, even thoughmany observers have pointed to Griffin’s lack of pocket awareness as a bigger problem than Washington’s offensive line.

According to Jason Reid of ESPN, Griffin sidestepping his own responsibility for making the line look worse than it played is exactly the kind of thing that causes him problems in the locker room. Reid wrote on Twitter after Griffin’s press conference that coaches say “several” offensive linemen dislike Griffen.

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The last people a QB should piss off is his offensive line. RGIII's ego seems to override his brain with such an attitude. Take all of it on yourself every single time before you publicly disrespect your o-line.
 
RGIII has not been cleared by the neurologist, who says he will not be released to play this weekend......and not be retested for a week.....or two...........
 
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As bad as our QB situation is and has been I want the Texans to have no part in the RGIII "experience". The issues he has aren't about being injured or loss of ability. His head is like a bag of cats and he needs to sit behind someone else, somewhere else for a few years to get his head straight.

Just please don't let it be here.
 
There was a time when I wanted the Texans to pursue Robert Griffin III. But I have since moved on and supported the guys we have now: Hoyer, Mallett and Savage.

Although his market value is as low as it will get right now. A team could literally snag the former second overall pick for a mere fifth or sixth-round pick it sounds like. I doubt the Redskins will release him.

Hard to believe RG3 was the second overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.
That was just three years ago. He actually played very well as a rookie.
 
As bad as our QB situation is and has been I want the Texans to have no part in the RGIII "experience". The issues he has aren't about being injured or loss of ability. His head is like a bag of cats and he needs to sit behind someone else, somewhere else for a few years to get his head straight.

Just please don't let it be here.
Is he really a bad guy? I ask because I really don't know. I know he's a little phony and a little immature but is the a Jeff George type? I wouldn't be totally against bringing him in because it's just so hard for me to believe that this is another VY type of player (basically one good year then pffft).

But I agree that as bad as it is here at least we didn't mortgage the farm and give up 3 first rounders for one good season.
 
Is he really a bad guy? I ask because I really don't know. I know he's a little phony and a little immature but is the a Jeff George type? I wouldn't be totally against bringing him in because it's just so hard for me to believe that this is another VY type of player (basically one good year then pffft).

But I agree that as bad as it is here at least we didn't mortgage the farm and give up 3 first rounders for one good season.

I think VY is a pretty accurate assessment. Relied on athelticism, didn't come from a pro-syle understanding of qb, let his press clippings override his ego, and is now stuck on stubborn in making any honest eval of what it will take to be a good pro quarterback. He's behind an enormous eight-ball right now in terms of turning his career around. More power to him if he can do it, but I really doubt it.
 
Is he really a bad guy? I ask because I really don't know...
Not in my opinion, no. I think he allowed himself to be led astray by the owner of the Redskins developing a close friendship with him, and all of the overpromotion of him individually. (Personal daily pressers). In my opinion, owner involvement emasculated the power of the HC who wanted and needed to coach RG3 hard.

He's broken and gun-shy now, and has too many personal opinions of how he thinks he can succeed vs. being coachable.
 
RG3 is just in a bad situation that has been spun more & more out of control by 2 HC's & an owner who have no idea what they're doing. I mean, it's not this kid's fault the owner cosigned literally giving up the farm for him in the draft nor is it his fault that he's been injured behind a makeshift line. RG3's not faultless in all this either, but he's been needing a fresh start out of Washington for at least a year now and I wouldn't be mad at the FO at all if they wanted to kick the tires on him.
 
Arizona would be great for him. Arians is class, Palmer doesn't have a ton of time left ...

... or he'll probably end up in Cleveland.
 
Is he really a bad guy? I ask because I really don't know. I know he's a little phony and a little immature but is the a Jeff George type? I wouldn't be totally against bringing him in because it's just so hard for me to believe that this is another VY type of player (basically one good year then pffft).

But I agree that as bad as it is here at least we didn't mortgage the farm and give up 3 first rounders for one good season.

I don't know either. I doubt any of us really knows what's going on with RGIII but I feel like he's more distraction than opportunity. I've read a lot about what's been going on with him since he was drafted basically (which admittedly doesn't mean squat about really knowing what's happening) and it appears to me that the biggest hurdle is getting him to learn how to be a pro QB. He seems to already believe he's got what he needs to do the job and he doesn't. He appears to respond to attempts to coach him into better mechanics with a sort of passive-aggressive "meh" attitude. I think he's a coach killer in the mold of Vince Young.

He's got to want to learn how to do things differently and I don't think anyone has ever reported seeing any indication of this actually happening.
 
I don't know either. I doubt any of us really knows what's going on with RGIII but I feel like he's more distraction than opportunity. I've read a lot about what's been going on with him since he was drafted basically (which admittedly doesn't mean squat about really knowing what's happening) and it appears to me that the biggest hurdle is getting him to learn how to be a pro QB. He seems to already believe he's got what he needs to do the job and he doesn't. He appears to respond to attempts to coach him into better mechanics with a sort of passive-aggressive "meh" attitude. I think he's a coach killer in the mold of Vince Young.

He's got to want to learn how to do things differently and I don't think anyone has ever reported seeing any indication of this actually happening.
That's kind of disappointing to hear. He looked (at least early on) like he had his schit really put together. He's seems bright and smart, but I guess the ego and pride are HUGE detriments. Well who knows what truly drives him. Lord knows he's made a ton of cash already, but it would be cool to watch him be a good player again as long as it isn't for a divisional opponent or dallas.
 
Not in my opinion, no. I think he allowed himself to be led astray by the owner of the Redskins developing a close friendship with him, and all of the overpromotion of him individually. (Personal daily pressers). In my opinion, owner involvement emasculated the power of the HC who wanted and needed to coach RG3 hard.

He's broken and gun-shy now, and has too many personal opinions of how he thinks he can succeed vs. being coachable.

Nailed it. I will add that he seems to have such a large ego that he won't allow himself to be coached. The owner put him on a pedestal above the coaches and he knows it and won't allow those under him to tell him how to do things.
 
I think RG3 is saying, if you want me to sit in the pocket and run this vertical passing game, then bring in guys who can consistently protect me. That Detroit beating he took is only the beginning for anyone who jumps under center for them. Scherff isn't ready & it's Trent Williams & a bunch of scrubs..If I were his o-line, I probably wouldn't like him either if he was trying to get me fired, but sooner or later, everyone will see how bad that line is whether its Cousins, RG3 or McCoy.
 
I might have been somewhat interested in trading for him prior to training camp - not at this stage though. Don't think he's a good fit for this system, but thinking about it, I'm not sure what system he is a good fit for.

I don't get the hate for him though, seems like a decent guy who needs a good mentor. It's not like he's out partying and getting in trouble (or did I miss something).
 
I saw the cockiness in him before he was even drafted so none of this stubbornness some are talking about is a surprise to me. I remember watching him on Gruden's qb camp and thinking "this kid really thinks he's the ****..he'll be humbled 1 way or the other like all the others before him..". Now I just feel bad for him b/c I don't necessarily think its the stubbornness that's got him on the outs in Washington..I think its the trainwreck of an organization.
 
There was a time when I wanted the Texans to pursue Robert Griffin III. But I have since moved on and supported the guys we have now: Hoyer, Mallett and Savage.

Although his market value is as low as it will get right now. A team could literally snag the former second overall pick for a mere fifth or sixth-round pick it sounds like. I doubt the Redskins will release him.

Hard to believe RG3 was the second overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.
That was just three years ago. He actually played very well as a rookie.
They will release him because no team wants his injury guaranteed 2016 that would come with him in a trade. They don't want it either. Cutting him before playing him would not invoke the 2016 injury guarantee. That is why the back and forth about whether he got a concussion or not last week. They refuse to admit he is injured because of his contract.
 
He needs to go someplace and sit behind a vet for a year or two. Jerry would probably take a run at him, and sitting behind Romo for a year or two would do him a lot of good. He needs a vet to learn from and be humble to. Garrett probably doesn't have the personality to control RG3 though.

Put him behind Phillip Rivers for a year, that should fix him up. Either that, or Rivers kicks his ass every day in the locker room.
 
I really wanted him in Kubiak's system.

But now? He's so broken, and I don't see him fitting into OB's scheme very well. I could see Chip Kelly or Rex Ryan giving him a shot.
 
It seems like the Redskins are done with him and they will sit him down rather than risk him getting injured and having next years guarantee kick in.
 
Bruce Arians and Andy Reid are the only guys that I think have the ability to get something out of him AND the opportunity to sit him behind a hard working pro for a little bit so he can see how it's done.

Neither Palmer or Smith is a stud at this point in their careers but work ethic and leadership ability they do not lack.
 
Being cut will probably make him think and he'll come back more focused and wih an edge. Dude his coach put him in a preseason game with NO O-LINE and let him get hit REPEATEDLY. That's a 3:tch move. Given that WE STILL DON'T HAVE QB I say The Texans pick him and groom him as the #2 guy and let him earn the top job...or at least have on hell of a back up.
 
Being cut will probably make him think and he'll come back more focused and wih an edge. Dude his coach put him in a preseason game with NO O-LINE and let him get hit REPEATEDLY. That's a 3:tch move. Given that WE STILL DON'T HAVE QB I say The Texans pick him and groom him as the #2 guy and let him earn the top job...or at least have on hell of a back up.

That same coach put the other 2 guys in during the same preseason games and they had no problems getting the ball out on time and avoiding the hits. That's not on the coaching staff.
 
San Diego, Dallas, Arizona, and KC would all be good places for him to sit for a year and see if he can get his head straight. Wouldn't mind the Texans taking a shot on him next year, at least kick the tires if the price is right. Doubt his career ever recovers though.
 
Being cut will probably make him think and he'll come back more focused and wih an edge. Dude his coach put him in a preseason game with NO O-LINE and let him get hit REPEATEDLY. That's a 3:tch move. Given that WE STILL DON'T HAVE QB I say The Texans pick him and groom him as the #2 guy and let him earn the top job...or at least have on hell of a back up.

No, I can't get behind that at all. This guy has been mostly stink since his rookie season. Something's not right with him and the Texans already have enough "not right" parts to contend with. I don't want RGIII anywhere near them.
 
No, I can't get behind that at all. This guy has been mostly stink since his rookie season. Something's not right with him and the Texans already have enough "not right" parts to contend with. I don't want RGIII anywhere near them.
Is he practice squad eligible if he's cut?
 
This dude is so freakin' overrated. I'm frankly tired of hearing about him. NFLN makes it a lead story every time he fails like he's accomplished anything significant in the league.
 
Is he practice squad eligible if he's cut?

He's well beyond PS eligibility. As far as I know, you can only be practice squaded if you are in your first 3 years in the league and have less than 1 accrued season on the active roster. This is his 4th year in the league and he has 3 accrued seasons under his belt.
 
He is a QB who's ability to run has been his best asset and he has 2 torn ACL injuries in his career. It seems his teammates hate him and he has been a locker room cancer. I don't want him near the Texans and I doubt Bill O'Brien would either.
 
Welcome back.


"Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years rockin' my peers puttin' suckas in fear. Making the beats rain down like a monsoon, till you hear the bass go boom. EXPLOSIONS...overpowering. Over the competition I'm towering..."

: L.L. Cool J before he started acting.
 
"Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years rockin' my peers puttin' suckas in fear. Making the beats rain down like a monsoon, till you hear the bass go boom. EXPLOSIONS...overpowering. Over the competition I'm towering..."

: L.L. Cool J before he started acting.
Great jam, but I think the songs that RGIII should play are White Snakes 'Here I Go Again' or Eric Carmen's 'All By Myself'
 
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