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Robert Griffin III could be the Texans next quarterback
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Marshall
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Yes, particularly the scientific alarmists who want government funding. They have a tendency to shape the outcome by manipulating the question and the data if it doesn't meet preconceived notions.
I have a great deal of respect for scientific research, but not for modern pseudo science of the political 4th kind. Government funded research grants.
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Marshall
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I don't get it. Is there supposed to be something significant about vapor trails?sorry, couldn't resist
Seegara
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Truth isn't always objective. Want me to prove it?
sandman
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I actually took you for someone who believed in Big Government/New World Order/Illuminati chemtrail conspiracies...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Can we try to keep this thread on point and not veer off into philosophical intricacies or political nuances?
Impossible.
Who knows how good RGIII will be or if the Texans bring him in.
But what the hell do I know,
sandman
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frethack
Rookie
Sorry CnD, as a research scientist I had a hard time not responding to obvious ignorance.
On an RGIII note, I'd kick the tires on him if heand comes in on a prove it deal and to a true QB competition with a quality rookie and Savage.
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Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
No, we cannot.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
If they draft a rookie in the first round, I can see the competition. But an open competition between RGIII and Savage? Savage hasn't proved anything sustainable, at the college or pro level, to assume he can compete. He came no where close to competing with Hoyer or Mallett. I don't get all the Savage love. Unless it's the classic everyone loves the underdog/3rd string QB.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Savage was coming on later in preseason. If you listen to O'Briens pressers in that timeframe you can catch parts where he started mentioning Savage subtly. the kid has all the physical tools you want in a QB: height, arm, size, footwork etc...add to that the kid has some moxie. When he said after the season ended "I dont care if you draft 12 quarterbacks Im going out to win the starters job!" that caught my eye.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Everybody loves the underdog. Savage would probably be pretty good if he could stay healthy, but he can't. I'd rather have Cam Newton. (cackle)
frethack
Rookie
I don't have "Savage Love"...just think he showed some signs of improvement in preseason and think we should include him in an open competition. Why not?
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
That caught my eye too since he did the exact opposite in college and transferred schools. Sounds like he learned a lesson.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Only because we saw the farce of an open competition this last season, and if Savage with 1/2 game NFL experience and sitting out the entire 2015 season is a legitimate option to be the starter next season, there will be a roster full of journeyman QB's again.
Because the Sandman says it's so, so it must be so.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I too would like to see Savage emerge this year as our starter. But I do have to say that I had feedback during last offseason (contra to what I would have wanted to see) that Savage did not show well throughout the period in comparison to either Hoyer or Mallett. Hopefully this is his year to take the "big step."
Savage showed pretty well during the preseason games. I seriously doubt that he was given many looks in the offseason compared to Hoyer and Mallett, the predetermined starter and backup.
He looked fine in games, but he really sucked during closed practice
Shishkabob
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Well John Harris was on record saying last offseason before Savage's injury that if he got the starting spot at any point throughout the season from one of the other two that there is no way he would lose it back to them.
I know John Harris is a mostly bias homer as he works for the team, but he does have the advantage of being at every practice, being close with the team, and at the time he said it he had no reason to build up Savage, as it was suppose to be the other 2 who were going to be our starters.
Shishkabob
All Pro
frethack
Rookie
In the scenario I presented, it would be a high draft pick, Savage, RGIII, and another vet going into OTAs. Wasn't advocating anointing Savage the starter, just giving a scenario on which I'd be comfortable signing RGIII to a "prove it" deal. Otherwise I'd rather pass on RGIII and his injury history.
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macho grande
Waterboy
Check your sarcasm meter. It may be faulty.
yeah that was a very tongue in cheek comment
Can RGIII be the next Drew Brees?
PapaL
Loose Screw
What's your reasonable solution?
Marshall
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Not when it concerns weather control. I don't doubt their desire, but the scales of energy required to affect the weather is enormous. It's like spitting into the ocean to change sea levels. Theoretically true, but totally insignificant compared to other factors.
Big Government is bad, but I really don't think anyone is IN CHARGE of the monstrosity.
It's hard enough to control a sports team and that is insignificant in a Government sized ocean.
Marshall
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Seegara
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Of all the many cogent facts you have posted, this is the most outstanding.
And there are some unlovely, low, and vile things about organized football too.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
High draft pick, Savage and a vet. Doesn't have to be RGIII, as I am not completely sold on him as much as I am responding to the negative chatter. But make the decision coming out of OTA's so that they actually use the pre-season to be ready for Game 1 of the regular season.
Edit: By vet I do not mean Hoyer, Weeden, Yates. We've lowered the standard way too far in what we accept as an "average" QB.
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Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Tom Savage is entering his third NFL season. He's played in two NFL games, thrown 19 passes with 1 INT (no TDs). He gets hurt way too often as well. It's not like he's a guarantee to be any good just because he's looked good in some meaningless preseason games and understands O'Brien's system. I have the same doubts on Savage like some of you have with Robert Griffin III.
At least with RG3 there's a little more body of work there to be excited about, and the motivation factor of overcoming some horrific knee injuries and being benched this past season.
Robert Griffin III and Tom Savage are both 25 years old.
They both turn 26 soon. Only two months apart in age.
I do like the fact both are young and still not even in their prime.
Now if we also bring in a rookie quarterback (round one or two). That's fine also. But we'd have to realize we would then have three very inexperienced quarterbacks. RG3 would have the most experience of the bunch.
Ideally, I'd have wanted to keep Brandon Weeden as the third-string quarterback, behind Robert Griffin III and a rookie quarterback we draft with the 22nd pick in round one (let those two battle it out), and keep Tom Savage on the practice squad if possible.
But that's probably not fair to Tom Savage. He wants to compete for the starting job and has a lot to prove himself. We'll see. But if he has to go on IR in the training camp or preseason at least we'd have some options.
I guess everybody is okay with parting ways with Hoyer and Yates then? Although I have a sick feeling that Bill O'Brien is going to find a reason why to keep Brian Hoyer around as a backup. And perhaps, even have a chance to win the starting job. Not again!!!!!!!!
I'm just worried the Texans will find a way to make the wrong decision like they always seem to do. And we'll be in the same position next year wondering why we didn't try to upgrade the quarterback position.
At least with RG3 there's a little more body of work there to be excited about, and the motivation factor of overcoming some horrific knee injuries and being benched this past season.
Robert Griffin III and Tom Savage are both 25 years old.
They both turn 26 soon. Only two months apart in age.
I do like the fact both are young and still not even in their prime.
Now if we also bring in a rookie quarterback (round one or two). That's fine also. But we'd have to realize we would then have three very inexperienced quarterbacks. RG3 would have the most experience of the bunch.
Ideally, I'd have wanted to keep Brandon Weeden as the third-string quarterback, behind Robert Griffin III and a rookie quarterback we draft with the 22nd pick in round one (let those two battle it out), and keep Tom Savage on the practice squad if possible.
But that's probably not fair to Tom Savage. He wants to compete for the starting job and has a lot to prove himself. We'll see. But if he has to go on IR in the training camp or preseason at least we'd have some options.
I guess everybody is okay with parting ways with Hoyer and Yates then? Although I have a sick feeling that Bill O'Brien is going to find a reason why to keep Brian Hoyer around as a backup. And perhaps, even have a chance to win the starting job. Not again!!!!!!!!
I'm just worried the Texans will find a way to make the wrong decision like they always seem to do. And we'll be in the same position next year wondering why we didn't try to upgrade the quarterback position.
sandman
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leebigeztx
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Out of 12 playoff teams, what did we see? Cousins and Brady drafted after 3rd rd, Hoyer undrafted. Palmer,Newton, manning,Smith #1 overall, ben,teddy,rodgers, 1st rd picks, Dalton, on the bench injured 2nd rd, and Wilson 3rd rd. The chance of Savage being anything are very,very low especially backed by his average play in college.
But he'd have been drafted in the first round if more teams had a desperate need for a QB.
Marshall
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While true, a side effect making high picks more successful is more opportunity because of the investment. It acts like a self fulfilling prophecy because a lower pick doesn't get the opportunity, even if just as talented. This of course makes some think every QB not taken high is worthless.
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No amount of desperation would have given Savage a first round grade. Which is something that Palmer, Newton, Manning, Smith, Rodgers, Roethlishberger, and Teddy had. And it's something this franchise has been aching for.
Shishkabob
All Pro
We probably wont get a QB this year with a 1st round grade, we draft at 22 most first round graded QBs will be gone, and it will leave us to either reach or be patient for the later rounds.
I know Savage wasnt a 1st round pick, to me that doesnt matter. I cant remember what Texans beat writer said it, but they said they had never seen a Texans player do as much as Savage has to get ready for the next season. Those reports coupled with the reports from last TC how he was arriving around 430 every morning to spend extra time working with OB, how he wore special glasses so they could help him train his eyes. All this shows someone who is working his butt off to be the best player he can be, why was Tom Brady so good? He had a killer work ethic and he wasnt going to let anyone tell him he couldnt do it. Not saying Savage will be great, but he sure is trying to be, add that with his physical gifts and we might have a gem.
Id still draft someone, because id be drafting a QB every year until we found our guy, but I am pretty high on Savage for work ethic alone.
Thank you for telling me we draft at 22.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, no? You just named about a decade of 1st rounders. Trying to tie that to Savage is absurd. Compare Savage to his contemporaries.
Shishkabob
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Im glad you could sound out the words, and use your context clues to make it that far. Thank you
I didn't bring those QB's up to begin with, leebigeztx did. And he named those particular QB's for a reason.
Really? Read the guys posts. They're right there a few posts up.
badboy
Hall of Fame
here we go again saying stuff that is just not true. I'll buy your point on his pro level as he has had basically no time on field with starters or any others for that matter. However he did quite well in college as I have posted before. As a freshman 2009 Rutgers he won starting job after team lost game one. He went 9-3 with 2211 yards 14 TDs and 7 INTs and was named to All American freshman team. That is very good. In 2010 he had hand injury and returned in 2011 to find out he would not compete with 2010 QB for starters job and he transferred to Arizona but had to sit out that season. Late 2011 the college fired coach and went with Rich Rodriguez who offered an offense that would not help Savage and he then transferred to Pittsburgh and red shirted 2012. He was starter for 2013 and passed for 3000 yards and 21 TD s; again a very good season considering makeup of that roster. Record was only 7-6 but went to a bowl. When he got on field he was very good.
I am not a Savage fan boy but would like to see him get a chance with A team.