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Robert Griffin III could be the Texans next quarterback

Dre_80 said:
Bring him in, build the offense around him, simplify the offense, use the read option and I'm 90% sure he will lead us to the playoffs. If you bring him in and then try to somehow make him fit into what you want him to do (pocket passer, west coast offense etc.) he's gonna fail so don't even bother with that.
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And how long until he's on career IR with that plan?
 
Dre_80 said:
Bring him in, build the offense around him, simplify the offense, use the read option and I'm 90% sure he will lead us to the playoffs. If you bring him in and then try to somehow make him fit into what you want him to do (pocket passer, west coast offense etc.) he's gonna fail so don't even bother with that.
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I'm not saying you turn it into a college offense, I'm saying you can roll a pocket and still have the entire field. Reeves used to fo it with elway all the time. People need to remember Steve Young and how he was perceived after taking over for Montana. Jerry Rice wasn't feeling the way he was breaking out the pocket and running. We all remember Young running without a helmet. I'd rather try to get something out of talent vs squeezing blood from a turnip.
 
thunderkyss said:
Carson Palmer is a drop back QB. An injury to his legs doesn't affect his greatest strength... breaking down defenses with his mind.
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I think you underestimate the importance of the legs in delivering the ball where you wish to deliver it. The mind is great for targeting, but the body has to be able to deliver to the target. I suspect that is Hoyer's problem. Great in the classroom, but broken on the field.

Carson, with the physical breakdown, could be the same.
 
DocBar said:
RGIII brings a lot to the table. The guy is accurate, hits receivers in stride and has a deep ball that's a thing of beauty. He also doesn't show panic in the face of a good passrush. Yes, he tends to pull the ball down and run, but that's because his coaches saw that talent and maximized it. That doesn't, for a second, preclude him from keeping his eyes downfield and delivering a pass instead of tucking the ball away and running for daylight. The main thing that I like about him is that he has that jail break game that Wilson has. That just needs to be emphasized, which it wasn't under Shannahan and seemed to be actively coached out of him under Gruden.

How does it take years to teach a QB to use his natural instincts to escape the pocket but keep his eyes downfield? I learned how to completely change how I rode bulls in a matter of weeks. By completely I mean a 180* change. Maybe pain is a good learning tool and whoever said RGIII needs a shock collar was right and spanking children isn't always bad? You're not teaching "don't run". You're teaching "run to certain areas and do A, B or C". Find an open receiver, throw the ball away or take what you can get and slide or get out of bounds. It definitely takes work, but you're not asking the guy to completely disregard his instincts and stay in the pocket. That is why I think RGIII developed a rep for holding the ball too long. He was asked to stay in the pocket and pass the ball instead of working to get outside it and deliver the ball. Shannahan did this, imo, to be a dick and Gruden did it because he's not the greatest offensive mind in the world. He's adequate, given the right player. OB, on the other hand, has shown a knack for playing to a player's strengths and could possibly do wonders with RGIII.

Let me ask you a question. What would your ideal QB competition look like? I mean going into OTA's and mini camp because I want the starting QB question put to rest by then. Would you be more butt hurt and disappointed if Hoyer or RGIII was making $2-3M for the Texans going into the 2016 season?

EDIT: After rereading this, maybe Pete Carroll is just a better football coach than either Mike Shannahan or Jay Gruden? Shannahan proved to be the right coach for an aging Elway. Gruden has proven to get lesser results from talented QB's than either Mike Shannahan or Hugh Jackson. Maybe OB can be a better coach than Shannahan or Gruden for RGIII because he is good at playing to a player's strengths amd is adaptable.

WOW!!! Long story. The novel will be out soon. LOL
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My ideal QB competition this offseason? A talented vet such as RGIII, a talented rookie, and Savage.

If any one pans out as a franchise QB you've justified the investment made in all 3.

The key will be to make the most of FA spending to improve the rest of the O around this group.

They need to get that right this season, now that they've rode the cap hell for 2 years, bring in guys suited to doing the job they need doing in this scheme.

I'm not at all concerned about the D this offseason, maybe improve the S position but I don't see glaring holes from the starters there.

Get a RB, TE, WR2 to add to the QB, get me some help on the Oline. It can all be done this offseason with the picks and cap space they have, should see a big improvement next season.
 
welsh texan said:
My ideal QB competition this offseason? A talented vet such as RGIII, a talented rookie, and Savage.

If any one pans out as a franchise QB you've justified the investment made in all 3.

The key will be to make the most of FA spending to improve the rest of the O around this group.

They need to get that right this season, now that they've rode the cap hell for 2 years, bring in guys suited to doing the job they need doing in this scheme.

I'm not at all concerned about the D this offseason, maybe improve the S position but I don't see glaring holes from the starters there.

Get a RB, TE, WR2 to add to the QB, get me some help on the Oline. It can all be done this offseason with the picks and cap space they have, should see a big improvement next season.
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I'd prefer Weedon over RGIII, but that's just my opinion. Either would be better than neither.
 
Marshall said:
I think you underestimate the importance of the legs in delivering the ball where you wish to deliver it. The mind is great for targeting, but the body has to be able to deliver to the target. I suspect that is Hoyer's problem. Great in the classroom, but broken on the field.

Carson, with the physical breakdown, could be the same.
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What physical breakdown?
 
Marshall said:
And I don't think you understand 2016 RGII is different from 2013 RGIII. That is the crux of the difference. I'd be there with you if we went back to pre injury days.
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Got that. My posts clearly reflect that i am not talking about just out of college Griffin.

You still didn't cite any attributes Weedon has over Griffin.
 
JB said:
What physical breakdown?
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"Carson Palmer is a drop back QB. An injury to his legs doesn't affect his greatest strength... breaking down defenses with his mind."
infantrycak said:
Got that. My posts clearly reflect that i am not talking about just out of college Griffin.

You still didn't cite any attributes Weedon has over Griffin.
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No, I didn't. Perhaps two games with little prep resulting in Texans victories has skewed my perspective.
 
Marshall said:
"Carson Palmer is a drop back QB. An injury to his legs doesn't affect his greatest strength... breaking down defenses with his mind."
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Marshall said:
I think you underestimate the importance of the legs in delivering the ball where you wish to deliver it. The mind is great for targeting, but the body has to be able to deliver to the target. I suspect that is Hoyer's problem. Great in the classroom, but broken on the field.

Carson, with the physical breakdown, could be the same.
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In other words, you don't know what you were saying? I'm gonna start thinking of you and Norg as 'Lice1' and 'Lice2' because you are both cause head scratching... albeit for different reasons
 
JB said:
In other words, you don't know what you were saying? I'm gonna start thinking of you and Norg as 'Lice1' and 'Lice2' because you are both cause head scratching... albeit for different reasons
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JB said:
In other words, you don't know what you were saying? I'm gonna start thinking of you and Norg as 'Lice1' and 'Lice2' because you are both cause head scratching... albeit for different reasons
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I understand jumping into the middle of a conversation can be confusing. It happens to me at times as well. There's no need for hard feelings.
 
Marshall said:
I understand jumping into the middle of a conversation can be confusing. It happens to me at times as well. There's no need for hard feelings.
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I've followed the entire conversation. The talk was about the ability to use Griffin for a pocket passer...

DocBar said:
You're enabling his defense mechanism in a different direction. You're not changing the defense mechanism.

I cannot measure my respect for CnD, but take a look at Carson Palmer. He's doing a pretty good job for the Cards and he's "injury prone".
I'm not all in on RG III, but I'll take him over Hoyer and whatever cornbread , 2nd rate talent that's in this draft. And that includes Slacking Off for Goff.
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thunderkyss said:
Carson Palmer is a drop back QB. An injury to his legs doesn't affect his greatest strength... breaking down defenses with his mind.
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Marshall said:
I think you underestimate the importance of the legs in delivering the ball where you wish to deliver it. The mind is great for targeting, but the body has to be able to deliver to the target. I suspect that is Hoyer's problem. Great in the classroom, but broken on the field.

Carson, with the physical breakdown, could be the same.
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You referenced Palmer with an injury breakdown and can't support that. I have no hard feelings do you? You like to obfuscate and then back step and put the blame on others for not understanding you.... that's ok, I understand
 
JB said:
I've followed the entire conversation. The talk was about the ability to use Griffin for a pocket passer...







You referenced Palmer with an injury breakdown and can't support that. I have no hard feelings do you? You like to obfuscate and then back step and put the blame on others for not understanding you.... that's ok, I understand
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I was just responding to TK (who brought up the leg injury scenario for Palmer to contrast strengths with RGIII) rather than you. What's so difficult? Do you think every response should be ONLY to your comments? You have it all in the QUOTES already.
 
Marshall said:
I was just responding to TK (who brought up the leg injury scenario for Palmer to contrast strengths with RGIII) rather than you. What's so difficult? Do you think every response should be ONLY to your comments? You have it all in the QUOTES already.
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Wait... so you quoted my question to you of what physical breakdown Palmer had with a response to TK that you had already responded to and led to the question I asked? And have yet to answer my question at all execpt with more dodging that I haven't followed the conversation? If you are going to quote my question, try answering it, or at least be honest and admit you don't have a clue why you said what you did that I asked for clarification on
 
I'm officially removing all apprehensions to bringing RGIII to Houston.

I remember when we were in this situation before, I was on the wrong side of that one. Drew Brees or Daunte Culpepper. Neither guy was interested in coming to this cesspool, but we debated regardless & I didn't trust Drew Brees' arm. I thought Culpepper could play the drop back role.

I was wrong on both counts.

Still, this feels like a Louise Nix or Devier Posey type gamble to me. Really great upside if we're right. Limited downside if we're wrong. The Texans are due to end up on the "right" side of one of these sooner or later.
 
Dre_80 said:
Bring him in, build the offense around him, simplify the offense, use the read option and I'm 90% sure he will lead us to the playoffs. If you bring him in and then try to somehow make him fit into what you want him to do (pocket passer, west coast offense etc.) he's gonna fail so don't even bother with that.
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So, you're advocating that RGIII go back to a QB run-oriented offense in which injuries sustained following this path has already left his legs run-challenged.......so he can quicker advance to Texans wheel-chair status?
 
RGIII is not the answer to our QB problem. He has shown that he cannot or will not run an under center type of offense. Will that change on a new team? Doubt it.

An running a QB run-oriented offense with a guy with 1 leg will not work in the NFL. He does have a good arm and can make fantastic throws on the move, but he cannot move like he could pre-injuries.
 
Grams said:
RGIII is not the answer to our QB problem. He has shown that he cannot or will not run an under center type of offense. Will that change on a new team? Doubt it.
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But we've got to do something right?

You don't like the first round QBs in this draft. You don't like the possibility of RGIII.

What do you suggest we do for QB next season?
 
I'm absolutely certain that anyone supporting RG3 is basing their opinion on a 2012 (or Baylor) highlight video. None would be able to say why he had success. None would be able to describe his fallout except for injury. He's a senile Al Davis favorite ... remember that time he ran fast!?!?!?

He comes off as a quiet wholesome personality, with the work ethic and ego similar as Carr and Manziel and Vince Young. After injury he doesn't even have their physical ability ... but remember that one time?
 
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not pounding the table for RG3.

I've simply said I'm ok if they bring him in.

And the reason I'm ok with it is because he shouldn't command a big contract or take much to get.

He's still young, same age as savage with much more experience and more ability.

OB has demonstrated, to me at least, that he can get passable productivity from qb's with lesser talent than rg3.

He's from Texas.

And really the only downside I see is if you think that RG3 coming here has an affect on drafting a rookie qb early in the draft. There's a couple different directions to go with that.
 
thunderkyss said:
But we've got to do something right?

You don't like the first round QBs in this draft. You don't like the possibility of RGIII.

What do you suggest we do for QB next season?
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I know you weren't asking me per se, but I would do everything I reasonably could to trade for Glennon. I think he's the type that could be the answer, at least until we find that franchise type guy

My reasonable would be maybe one of our 5th round picks... I would still take a QB in the draft... a first rounder if we can get there to get one of the top 3 or a second or third if not
 
Scooter said:
I'm absolutely certain that anyone supporting RG3 is basing their opinion on a 2012 (or Baylor) highlight video. None would be able to say why he had success. None would be able to describe his fallout except for injury. He's a senile Al Davis favorite ... remember that time he ran fast!?!?!?

He comes off as a quiet wholesome personality, with the work ethic and ego similar as Carr and Manziel and Vince Young. After injury he doesn't even have their physical ability ... but remember that one time?
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That's all an opinion though. None of us are there working out with Robert Griffin III or seeing the hard work he has put in to overcome those vicious knee injuries. Even his two head coaches, Mike Shanahan and Jay Gruden, both praised his work ethic.

Jay Gruden, during an interview a few days ago when addressing the departure of RG3, just mentioned he wasn't a fit for the Redskins' system but Gruden applauded his will to learn and become a better quarterback. He even admitted that RG3 will likely become a great quarterback on the new team he joins just because he felt he learned a lot by not playing this past season and his health is as good as it's been since his rookie year. All of which make sense to me.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
That's all an opinion though. None of us are there working out with Robert Griffin III or seeing the hard work he has put in to overcome those vicious knee injuries. Even his two head coaches, Mike Shanahan and Jay Gruden, both praised his work ethic.
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In the weight room........not in the film room
Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young says he knows the problem with Robert Griffin III: He doesn’t work hard enough.

Young said on the Michael Kay Show that he has spoken with coaches who have worked with Griffin, and those coaches told him that Griffin simply doesn’t spend the long hours studying film that an NFL quarterback needs.

“I’ve talked to his previous coaches, people I really trust and admire, that know quarterbacks. He doesn’t put the time in,” Young said.

Young didn’t mention any of those “previous coaches” by name, but it’s not a leap to infer that he’s referring to Mike Shanahan, who was Washington’s head coach for Griffin’s first two seasons. Shanahan was the 49ers’ offensive coordinator from 1992 to 1994, when Young was having his three best seasons as the 49ers’ starting quarterback. Shanahan and Young have been close for years.

According to Young, it’s the mental side of the game that makes a good quarterback in the NFL, and Young believes that Griffin needs to spend more time developing the mental side of the game during the offseason.

“Success is really about expertise,” Young said. “May, June, July work, and going to school.”

Much like Griffin, Young was once an athletic quarterback who needed time to learn how to be a pocket passer. Young thinks it’s harder for great runners like Griffin to develop as passers because they always assume they can fall back on running if they need to.

“Guys that can use their legs, it’s like they’re not desperate. Guys who can’t use their legs are more desperate so they’ll put more time in,” Young said.

And according to Young, Griffin isn’t putting the time in. That’s what’s holding him back.
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Bulls on Parade said:
Jay Gruden, during an interview a few days ago when addressing the departure of RG3, just mentioned he wasn't a fit for the Redskins' system but Gruden applauded his will to learn and become a better quarterback. He even admitted that RG3 will likely become a great quarterback on the new team he joins just because he felt he learned a lot by not playing this past season and his health is as good as it's been since his rookie year. All of which make sense to me.
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You could substitute this exact "Farewell message" given by a coach for any number of departing players. What's he going to say?........he couldn't adjust to a balanced NFL offense, especially after shopping for a peg leg, or get along with his teammates and coaches, or avoid stopping by every mirror after his workouts, or be wiling to put about as much work into film or the play book as JFF, even when half of the pages were torn out...............and I certainly wish him and his new team the best...............under breath [because, thank Heaven, now he's someone else's unsolvable problem]
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
In the weight room........not in the film room




You could substitute this exact "Farewell message" given by a coach for any number of departing players. What's he going to say?........he couldn't adjust to a balanced NFL offense, especially after shopping for a peg leg, or get along with his teammates and coaches, or avoid stopping by every mirror after his workouts, or be wiling to put about as much work into film or the play book as JFF, even when half of the pages were torn out...............and I certainly wish him and his new team the best...............under breath [because, thank Heaven, now he's someone else's unsolvable problem]
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Or maybe Gruden was speaking the truth.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Why the rush? we know when the league year ends and free agency begins.
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I think if he's house shopping & visiting NRG, we've got the meat of a trade already worked out. Now they're just working on renegotiating his contract.

So I don't think we're talking about a FA deal here.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think if he's house shopping & visiting NRG, we've got the meat of a trade already worked out. Now they're just working on renegotiating his contract.

So I don't think we're talking about a FA deal here.
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I would be stunned if this involved a trade. Griffin carries a $16.5 million salary in 2016. Where do you re-negotiate from that? Washington will waive Griffin at the start of the waiver period (February 8th). Then, a team can sign Griffin as a "street" free agent, similar to how the Broncos signed Manning in 2012.
 
Lucky said:
I would be stunned if this involved a trade. Griffin carries a $16.5 million salary in 2016. Where do you re-negotiate from that? Washington will waive Griffin at the start of the waiver period (February 8th). Then, a team can sign Griffin as a "street" free agent, similar to how the Broncos signed Manning in 2012.
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If the Texans believe there will be a market for RGIII & they'd rather avoid it, I can see them inquire about a trade.

Griffin should know he's not going to see that $16M from the Redskins. I can see offering an incentive laden contract that would total $16M.
 
thunderkyss said:
If the Texans believe there will be a market for RGIII & they'd rather avoid it, I can see them inquire about a trade.

Griffin should know he's not going to see that $16M from the Redskins. I can see offering an incentive laden contract that would total $16M.
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It doesn't really work that way. If Griffin believes there will be a market, he has no reason to re-negotiate for less than what he has on his contract. If the Texans want Griffin and do have a nod and wink agreement, they should just wait until Washington releases him. No draft pick, and the contract can start from scratch.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Does anyone else find it strange that absolutely NO media......friendly or not friendly to the Texans FO.......has reported one word of RGIII's presence in Houston.........not a peep!?
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Two things:

1) The talk about him buying a home here is just that: he is buying a home in his home state

2) McNairs ninjas

Pick one
 
thunderkyss said:
I think if he's house shopping & visiting NRG, we've got the meat of a trade already worked out. Now they're just working on renegotiating his contract.

So I don't think we're talking about a FA deal here.
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Robert Griffin III spent this weekend in Houston hanging out with some friends and also looking at some real estate. While I would take that as an encouraging sign that he's going to play for the Houston Texans in 2016, I'm not 100 % excited until it's official.

I also found it strange that Rod Ryan, of all people, reported it on his radio show that RG3 was in town. One of his local listeners took a selfie with RG3 early on Saturday morning.

It's all cool and all that Robert Griffin III loves our city. I hope he loves our team too.
 
After seeing Cam destroy one of the top defenses this year I think the talk about players not being able to read defenses and being running QBs might be overblown. All depends on the player. Cam couldn't read a defense to save his life and would tuck the ball quickly. Look at him now. If RG3 has an ounce of competition in him, he uses Cam's success to fuel him. I'll say it again, I have no issues w him coming to Houston and letting him compete.
 
Lucky said:
It doesn't really work that way. If Griffin believes there will be a market, he has no reason to re-negotiate for less than what he has on his contract. If the Texans want Griffin and do have a nod and wink agreement, they should just wait until Washington releases him. No draft pick, and the contract can start from scratch.
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Or there's a team that will take him at his current contract he doesn't want to go to... like Cleveland, Miami, Philly or whoever.
 
JB said:
Wait... so you quoted my question to you of what physical breakdown Palmer had with a response to TK that you had already responded to and led to the question I asked? And have yet to answer my question at all execpt with more dodging that I haven't followed the conversation? If you are going to quote my question, try answering it, or at least be honest and admit you don't have a clue why you said what you did that I asked for clarification on
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Perhaps I am missing something. I layed it out about as clearly as I could and you still don't get it.
 
JB said:
coaches always speak the truth... their truth :rolleyes:
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There IS a difference between SPIN and Truth which has been obscured by modern politicians, scientists and the social media. SPIN is what you want the Truth to be while TRUTH is objective and beyond our ability to shape by desire alone.
 
Marshall said:
Perhaps I am missing something. I layed it out about as clearly as I could and you still don't get it.
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Try reading again... I asked a question in response to your statement and you replied with your original statement. All you have to do is answer the question or ignore it
 
JB said:
Try reading again... I asked a question in response to your statement and you replied with your original statement. All you have to do is answer the question or ignore it
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I was responding to a HYPOTHETICAL injury suggested by TK comparing it's significance to Palmer vs the significance of a similar injury to RGIII.

I think this is a repeat of what I've already said, but perhaps I wasn't CLEAR enough for someone not on the same train of thought I was riding on.

If so, I apologize.
 
Marshall said:
I was responding to a HYPOTHETICAL injury suggested by TK comparing it's significance to Palmer vs the significance of a similar injury to RGIII.

I think this is a repeat of what I've already said, but perhaps I wasn't CLEAR enough for someone not on the same train of thought I was riding on.

If so, I apologize.
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ok... I guess I hypothetically understand
 
Marshall said:
And when I am wrong, I'll admit to it unlike SOME!
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Wow there homie, i admitted i was wrong about KJ, although at the time when i was dogging on him he did in fact suck. But he did get better which i never expected, but when has Hoyer ever really been good.

That's like me trying to marry a slut, then acting shocked to discover she's screwing the entire local bowling league....
 
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RGIII hasn't played in a regular season game since getting shut down in the second half of the 2014 season for injury. For as many people that are focusing on his OROY season accomplishments, there are those convinced that he has no speed/mobility/ability based on the last time they say him play. Two seasons ago. Hurt.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Is he the world class Olympic level hurdler athlete he was pre-knee/ankle? No. Is he now Matt Schaub with dreads? Hell no.

IMHO, he still has better than average QB speed and mobility. But we won't know until he plays again. And as someone else stated, I would take a former #2 pick, Heisman winning, NFL OROY 25 year old than any of the "no sure thing but he's got potential" QB's showing up in the draft this year. Especially at #22. None are worth losing a pile of draft picks to move up for.
 
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