Jack Bauer
Rookie
Vinny said:
Sorry about that. Since I didn't know the mod's name, I assumed (bad thing to do) it was one of the mods posting in this thread at the time this statement was posted.
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Sorry about that. Since I didn't know the mod's name, I assumed (bad thing to do) it was one of the mods posting in this thread at the time this statement was posted.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
He played QB and he was a OC in college. Strikes me as trying to characterize his experience as anything but predominately offense is just mischaracterizing to grumble. Now folks in Denver maybe should have grumbled about some O guy helping out on D.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kaiser Toro said:
Were you actually that thrilled with the Texans' WR coach before? Has he really done much to develop AJ, Gaffney and Armstrong? Doesn't seem like his resume helped out all that much.
Other than a guy looking to be demoted are there any specific folks who are available people can point to as better prospects?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
infantrycak said:
Alright you caught me what for I am, an agitator.
I did not like Kippy all that much, but there are guys that are out there (the list I had escapes me). Essentially it is a lower rung position but hiring Kyle does not offer the impactful statement you would like to see him make in year one. This team fought with the notion of cronyism these past four years and its beginning to show it's ugly head again.
GP
Go Texans!
Kaiser:
Kippy was interviewed for the HC job because he is _______ (fill in the blank).
He was never a serious contender, and in reality was just a pawn McNair had to use to satisfy the league's minority hiring program. As was Jerry Gray.
Not trying to start or incite anything by talking about race and the league's minority interview/hiring program, but you can't use Kippy "being a contender for HC" as a way to knock him up a few notches while knocking Shanny Part Deaux down a few notches.
And as far as your comment about him being intoxicated...I think we've had a guy on our team (Coleman?) fall to a similar fate. If you mess up and become resolute to NOT mess up again, the second chance in life looks pretty good. I'm sure Shanny Part Deaux will likely watch how many Sharps beers he's putting away in the future.
Kippy was interviewed for the HC job because he is _______ (fill in the blank).
He was never a serious contender, and in reality was just a pawn McNair had to use to satisfy the league's minority hiring program. As was Jerry Gray.
Not trying to start or incite anything by talking about race and the league's minority interview/hiring program, but you can't use Kippy "being a contender for HC" as a way to knock him up a few notches while knocking Shanny Part Deaux down a few notches.
And as far as your comment about him being intoxicated...I think we've had a guy on our team (Coleman?) fall to a similar fate. If you mess up and become resolute to NOT mess up again, the second chance in life looks pretty good. I'm sure Shanny Part Deaux will likely watch how many Sharps beers he's putting away in the future.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
gpshafer_1976 said:
You are wrong in regards to your statement about Gray. Secondly race had nothing to do with what is on Kippy Brown's resume and that is what matters in this conversation. He was an OC in the past, Shanahan has been doing this for two years.
As far as the intoxication goes, it was at the combine. That is bad no matter how you slice it, he was at work or at the very least acting like a fool around the power structure in football.
Wolf
100% Texan
Wolf
100% Texan
this is too funny for me.. and this should break up the tension on the thread..
capers smiley...
from
www.houstonprofootball.com
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
brings tears to my eyes.. laughing and remembering.. I wish we had that smiley when he was still coaching here...esp. with a Texans hat on top of it ...
capers smiley...
from
www.houstonprofootball.com
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
brings tears to my eyes.. laughing and remembering.. I wish we had that smiley when he was still coaching here...esp. with a Texans hat on top of it ...
Nighthawk
Rookie
Kaiser Toro said:
True dat. Why is Kubiak going this route? I would have no problem hiring this Shanahan Redux as a quality control guy, or some other similar status, just to be nice to Mike, but any receiver worth a nickel is not going to be thrilled to work under this kid. He's 23, which would be fine if he'd been the world's finest receiver and broke a leg or something, or it would be fine if he was 43 and had proven himself as a coach in the NFL ranks, but for heaven's sake, he's 23, played college ball at Texas (right?) where he held the bench against all comers. At least that's my understanding.
So, exactly where/what are his credentials? Add him to an OC with exactly 16 games of NFL offense experience and you begin to see a pattern in these hires.
jacquescas
Veteran
how does shanahan get younger and younger by the post? i think he started at 26 and has progressed all the way down to 23. can i have what he is having?
Frankly he is 26, he is going to be the recievers coach, He has NFL experience and pedigree, so why is everyone freaking out? Does age make that big a deal?
Frankly he is 26, he is going to be the recievers coach, He has NFL experience and pedigree, so why is everyone freaking out? Does age make that big a deal?
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
jacquescas said:
Apperantly age is the deteriminig factor, in regards to if somebody can caoch. Iregardless if his former coach (a coach with a SB ring, no less) praises him, there were no WRs in Tampa screaming that he was in ***** and to young to caoch, and was accepted into one of America's top university's (Shanahan went to Duke initally).
The only guy that would please some of these people would be a cross of Lombardi and Rice for WR coach.:brickwall
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
jacquescas said:
Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast!
Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch!
Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart!
Ron Burgundy: I saw that! Brick killed a guy! Did you throw a trident?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident!
Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Well that is a little rude.
Chick Harris Bio
His bio ain't bad. Lots of experience.
And his players seem to like working with him--even with injuries to our starting RB, the backups seem to do just fine.
And for those excited about the prospect of Reggie Bush, so is Chick. I was at a clinic he taught and someone asked about Bush. Chick said nice things about the existing players, and without specifically talking about Bush (he hadn't declared), Chick said with a HUGE smile, "hey I am ALWAYS looking for more playmakers."
It was interesting seeing him break down film--he did a lot of talking about the zone blocking thing and showed how DD was improving in hitting the holes. And also showed how it is so timing specific--that if DD is slow getting to a particular spot on the field, a particular play won't work right because the defenders don't move where you want them to.
Anyhow, I think he is a good guy to have on the team. IMO, his style is very father-figure like--which is not a bad thing to have some of on a team of very young players. (well, and young coaches, for that matter).
Nice to keep somebody from offense, defense and ST because then you haven't completely erased your knowledge base about the players and have to start completely from scratch. You have some folks that knows the good and the bad some. This is not to say that the new coaches can't give the old players a new start, but it is much easier to deal with a situation if you have some knowledgable folks so that you have a bit of a head start learning about your personnel.
So there you go.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Kaiser Toro said:
LOL!!!
Stay classy, KT!
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Nighthawk said:
He was born in 79, which puts him at 26.
December 14, 1979.
Wolf
100% Texan
not that it matters.. that makes him 26
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/bios02/shanahan_kyle.html
Wolf
100% Texan
http://www.seahawks.com/arprintdisplay.aspx?ID=2419
I wasn't looking for this, but someone mention shedding blocks and such
Well, it is when it stands alone in a quote. I don't have anything against Coach Harris. But you have to admit, there wasn't much buzz about him (pro or con) when names were tossed out during the season about which assistants should stay or go. I remember you & I (among others) discussing how much we wanted Marciano to stay, specifically.Texans_Chick said:
I'm not saying Harris hasn't done a good job, just that he didn't register emotionally with the fanbase. If Harris is good enough for Coack K, that's good enough for me.
I don't think the majority of the fan base loses much sleep over the namings of the position coaches.
Ask an average fan to name the assistant coaches on their favorite team. Most might be able to name the coordinators on offense, defense, and special teams. Those guys usually get a lot of ink and pub.
Ask the average fan to name the assistant coaches for the offensive line, tight ends, linebackers, d-line, secondary, quality control, and running backs. These guys typically toil in obscurity and if anything is being said about them, it's usually because their units are doing poorly. Even then, it's typically the coordinators catching the heat, and rightfully so.
Does anyone really believe that in the past few years the names Olivadotti, Harris, Roman, Oden, Marshall, Marciano (the other one), and Sutulovich would easily roll off the tongues of the average Texans fan? Hoke is probably the lone exception of noteriety because his name was being thrown around after the '04 season for a few jobs elsewhere, but even then, you really need to be following the team to know some of these guys.
I've heard that the players - and not just the RBs - really like Chick. He demands a lot from his players but he's also a cut-up who keeps things loose. He has spent most of his career coaching RBs. Some may not know that he was actually an offensive coordinator with the Rams several years ago.
Ask an average fan to name the assistant coaches on their favorite team. Most might be able to name the coordinators on offense, defense, and special teams. Those guys usually get a lot of ink and pub.
Ask the average fan to name the assistant coaches for the offensive line, tight ends, linebackers, d-line, secondary, quality control, and running backs. These guys typically toil in obscurity and if anything is being said about them, it's usually because their units are doing poorly. Even then, it's typically the coordinators catching the heat, and rightfully so.
Does anyone really believe that in the past few years the names Olivadotti, Harris, Roman, Oden, Marshall, Marciano (the other one), and Sutulovich would easily roll off the tongues of the average Texans fan? Hoke is probably the lone exception of noteriety because his name was being thrown around after the '04 season for a few jobs elsewhere, but even then, you really need to be following the team to know some of these guys.
I've heard that the players - and not just the RBs - really like Chick. He demands a lot from his players but he's also a cut-up who keeps things loose. He has spent most of his career coaching RBs. Some may not know that he was actually an offensive coordinator with the Rams several years ago.