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Breaking news. The texans just hired their new co-defensive coordinators.

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SnakeOilTanker said:
Those oc's and dc's had to get there start somewhere, they didnt just come out of thin air.

and btw, everything doesn't have to be done the Pats way.
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They didnt get their first OC job after 16 games of NFL offensive experience...

No it doesnt, but you can't argue with results...
 
Yes you can't argue with results, but the Patriots way is not the only way a team has ever been good. Shanny called the plays, not Kubiak, when the Broncs went back to back
 
Fiddy said:
They didnt get their first OC job after 16 games of NFL experience...

No it doesnt, but you can't argue with results...
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Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:

Shanahan sees a bright future for Calhoun in coaching.

"He's going to be a very successful head coach one day at any level he decides," Shanahan said. "He's a strong person and an excellent football coach. He's very valuable to me."

Calhoun joined the Broncos' coaching staff in 2003.
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Jack Bauer said:
He didn't hire you because you are even younger than K. Shanahan even though I guess you seem to have more experience! :)
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That, too, but I havent said I would be better, I've been saying that there is better out there...way better...
 
infantrycak said:
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:



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He meant NFL offensive coaching experience. He was an offensive coach for one year under Shanny since he started as a defensive coach for the Broncos.
 
Fiddy said:
That, too, but I havent said I would be better, I've been saying that there is better out there...way better...
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How do you know this? This is what I am trying to figure out. Which NFL coaching circle do you belong to?
 
infantrycak said:
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:



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He was a defensive coach prior to last season. I have it on good athority that he has exactly 16 games worth of offensive coaching experience.
 
infantrycak said:
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:



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He was a defensive assistant when he first got there, he has 16 games of experience as an offensive coach and is now our new OC...
 
SnakeOilTanker said:
Yes you can't argue with results, but the Patriots way is not the only way a team has ever been good. Shanny called the plays, not Kubiak, when the Broncs went back to back
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Actually, the first year the Broncos won the SB, was the first year Kubiak called the plays.
 
Fiddy said:
He was a defensive assistant when he first got there, he has 16 games of experience as an offensive coach and is our now our OC...
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He was the OC at Wake Forest and did well. Yes thats not NFL but its not like he was never done it before.

Kubes is running the offense, and Sherman will likely be a member of the staff. A big name OC is not a need.
 
Jack Bauer said:
How do you know this? This is what I am trying to figure out. Which NFL coaching circle do you belong to?
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Common sense is how I'm getting there. So, from what you are telling me, there isnt any ex-NFL WRs that would want to start up as a position coach??? I guess not because we have a guy that was a fourth stringer in college and is now teaching pros how to do their job...
 
Jack Bauer said:
Actually, the first year the Broncos won the SB, was the first year Kubiak called the plays.
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Are you sure? paper said Kubes has been calling hte plays for 6 years..when did the broncs win their first one? seems like more than 6 years ago but i guess i could be wrong
 
Fiddy said:
Common sense is how I'm getting there. So, from what you are telling me, there isnt any ex-NFL WRs that would want to start up as a position coach??? I guess not because we have a guy that was a fourth stringer in college and is now teaching pros how to do their job...
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Now you want to hire someone who has never been a coach before? Just because the guy wasn't talented, does not mean he doesn't know what it takes to play the position right. Some of the best coaches were students of the game who tried to play, but were not physically talented enough. Shanahan might be one of those guys.
 
Hey....y'all aren't allowed to worry about lack of experience. The only question should be "can he coach?" At least that's what one moderator told me when he was nitpicking my "bit of concern" a few days ago over Calhoun's promotion to OC with only two years of experince with an NFL offense. But I'm sure this case is totally different ... :rolleyes:
 
Jack Bauer said:
Now you want to hire someone who has never been a coach before? Just because the guy wasn't talented, does not mean he doesn't know what it takes to play the position right. Some of the best coaches were students of the game who tried to play, but were not physically talented enough. Shanahan might be one of those guys.
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Who would have more authority with AJ, Gaff, Mathis and Armstrong, Shanny or a coach with a deeper background at the WR position??? Coaching a position is not like coaching an offense so a couple of years being a position coach is really nothing...


And he can't be the smartest of the bunch...drinking and driving isnt very smart ;)
 
Vinny said:
ok with a limited look-see, Calhoun was a defensive assistant in 2003, special teams coach/assistant offensive assistant in 2004 and Assistant to the HC last year. That doesn't give him much time as an offensive specialist in the NFL.http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/2020AP_FBN_Texans_Coaches.html
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Yeah, that's what I was saying. Two years working with an offense in the NFL. He does have a few years NCAA experience at Wake and some other small school .. can't recall .. but it wasn't the NFL. Just a "bit" of concern there, and with Rat Jr.
 
Shanahan is replacing a WR coach who was interviewed for the HC position here in Houston and was an OC for in Miami. Yes Kyle may have all the football knowledge in the world growing up with his father and has done admirably in his brief career, but for anyone to think that we just got better at the WR position due to better coaching moving forward is a madman with a lunatic's heart.

Now for all of you Shanny sympathizers out there who are also Carr advocates just note the Shanahan/V. Young connection. :stirpot:

Sorry about the double off topic post, but I just got home. You know, while I am at it let's get Reggie Bush in here as well.
 
Fiddy said:
Common sense is how I'm getting there. So, from what you are telling me, there isnt any ex-NFL WRs that would want to start up as a position coach??? I guess not because we have a guy that was a fourth stringer in college and is now teaching pros how to do their job...
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With absouelety zero experience on ANY level, or any track record at all. Heck, give me the coach of the pee wee league. This staff is an unmitigated disaster. They should put up crime scene tape outside Relaint Stadium, because this staff is killing me.
 
I guess this doesn't matter to you because it doesn't fit your argument:

Just because the guy wasn't talented, does not mean he doesn't know what it takes to play the position right. Some of the best coaches were students of the game who tried to play, but were not physically talented enough. Shanahan might be one of those guys.
 
Fiddy said:
Coaching a position is not like coaching an offense so a couple of years being a position coach is really nothing...
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I keep having this need to ask: And you know this how? When did you last coach a position in the NFL? When were you last an OC? Just wondering where this infinite knowledge of football has come from...

Kyle Shanahan has played and coached football for more years than you have been on this earth...

:) I made him sound older than he is, didn't I?
 
aj. said:
Hey....y'all aren't allowed to worry about lack of experience. The only question should be "can he coach?" At least that's what one moderator told me when he was nitpicking my "bit of concern" a few days ago over Calhoun's promotion to OC with only two years of experince with an NFL offense. But I'm sure this case is totally different ... :rolleyes:
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Interesting how this didn't get a response...
 
Fiddy said:
Well that's great...we are taking the exact opposite route of the Patriots who took play calling away from the HC and gave it to 2 excellent coordinators...
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This season Bill Belichick called plays.
 
run-david-run said:
This season Bill Belichick called plays.
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And they didnt win the Super Bowl...but he also had to deal with injuries and junk but also remember the disaster when he called plays in Cleveland...
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Now for all of you Shanny sympathizers out there who are also Carr advocates just note the Shanahan/V. Young connection. :stirpot:
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You mean the Vince Young that had 1140 total passing yards when Kyle was there? Yeah, I am sure he wants VY since he helped to improve his WR stats so much.
 
I wonder if the fans in Denver were screaming when Mike Shanahan hired Mike Heimerdinger as his WR coach in '95 because he was Mike's roommate in college. But hey that didn't turn out too bad now did it?
 
Jack Bauer said:
Interesting how this didn't get a response...
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If I am reading it correctly I would agree with it and you would not. But that is a guess, much like everything else that appears on the computer screen after I hit the magic squares.
 
Bronco Texan said:
I wonder if the fans in Denver were screaming when Mike Shanahan hired Mike Heimerdinger as his WR coach in '95 because he was Mike's roommate in college. But hey that didn't turn out too bad now did it?
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If Heimerdinger were 24 and arrested at the NFL combine the year before they probably would have said nothing since it was Shanahan's second gig as a HC. This is Kubiak's first gig, that is where the heat is coming from.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
If I am reading it correctly I would agree with it and you would not. But that is a guess, much like everything else that appears on the computer screen after I hit the magic squares.
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I am asking why the un-named moderator will not explain his change of opinion when it comes to Shanahan versus Calhoun.
 
Jack Bauer said:
I keep having this need to ask: And you know this how? When did you last coach a position in the NFL? When were you last an OC? Just wondering where this infinite knowledge of football has come from...

Kyle Shanahan has played and coached football for more years than you have been on this earth...

:) I made him sound older than he is, didn't I?
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Kyle is a reasonable age to be my older brother...

When was the last time where you were involved in the NFL to talk about anything that affects the team, we are here to discuss stuff like this. I feel experience is important, you dont. We will live.
 
Jack Bauer said:
I am asking why the un-named moderator will not explain his change of opinion when it comes to Shanahan versus Calhoun.
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what are you talking about?
 
Jack Bauer said:
That is how aj worded his post. I did not look to see who he is referring to.
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Oh, he was referring to an exchange with Lucky the other day. Who says he "refuses" to explain anything anyway? this is a pretty new comment.
 
infantrycak said:
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:

Shanahan sees a bright future for Calhoun in coaching.

"He's going to be a very successful head coach one day at any level he decides," Shanahan said. "He's a strong person and an excellent football coach. He's very valuable to me."

Calhoun joined the Broncos' coaching staff in 2003.
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Well seeing as great offensive coaches like Kubiak, Mike Heimerdinger, Karl Dorrell, and Alex Gibbs all came from under Shanahan. I think I will take his word for it.

Also these are all guys that Kyles has either grown up with or worked under, and you can throw Chucky in there too. So case closed on Kyle.
 
Bronco Texan said:
Well seeing as great offensive coaches like Kubiak, Mike Heimerdinger, Karl Dorrell, and Alex Gibbs all came from under Shanahan. I think I will take his word for it.

Also these are all guys that Kyles has either grown up with or worked under, and you can throw Chucky in there too. So case closed on Kyle.
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Ummm, no not case closed. Which of these other coaches gave him this kind of responibility. The "quality control coach" is usually the guy who picks up the sweaty jocks off the floor, and throws them in the wash. Exactly what qualifies him to be the WR coach on a professional football team?
 
Porky said:
Ummm, no not case closed. Which of these other coaches gave him this kind of responibility. The "quality control coach" is usually the guy who picks up the sweaty jocks off the floor, and throws them in the wash. Exactly what qualifies him to be the WR coach on a professional football team?
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This coming from a guy who thinks we should waste the first pick in the draft on the 3rd rated QB?????
 
Ok, I shouldnt be asking what AJ will think about him, but y'all do know we are trusting Shanny II to groom Mathis???

I'm very depressed right now...
 
Fiddy said:
That, too, but I havent said I would be better, I've been saying that there is better out there...way better...
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And you know this because.............? :challenge

What are you using for comparisons? You have none.

Rave on ...:blah:

I wasn't on the Kubiak bandwagon but I will give him a chance now that he is here.

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
And you know this because.............? :challenge

What are you using for comparisons? You have none.
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Kippy Brown was our last WR coach and was a NFL candidate for HC and OC jobs. That's a comparison for Shanny II...
 
I've said this before, that some people are better coaches than they are players. I played basketball for a guy that constantly got the school to state tourney's, but whenever he played, he was a joke. 3rd stringers that were barely 5'8" were taking him to school. But yet, this guy could teach anyone to ball great. Now, is basketball different from football, yeah. But some people can coach...just give the guy a shot.
 
Million dollar question is .....:money:

Can they do any worse than what we saw the last 4 years? I mean we are wondering about inexperienced coaches when we saw how well our "Experienced" coaches did
Unless y'all find the 31st ranked offense (or whatever it was) and the 32nd ranked defense (or whatever it ended up being) satisfying to everyone.

offensively I am not worried.. because Kubiak will be in control of things (or should).. lack of defensive names as a coordinater (nothing against smith) but that one worries, me because I don't know what to expect..
 
Jack Bauer said:
That is how aj worded his post (one moderator). I did not look to see who he is referring to.
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This is what aj was referring to.

Guess who's flying to Houston?

To summarize, I pointed out that there are examples of coaches becoming OCs in this league with limited NFL coaching experience. Kubiak, to name one. I also said that a head coach should choose coaches that he wants to work with. I stand by that. And that the previous coaching staff, with years & years of experience, did not perform to the level of expectations of anyone. We've seen that experience alone isn't the answer.

What we need to remember is that it's Kubiak's job to teach the assistant coaches his system and philosophy. If he thinks it's a better idea to bring in guys from similar systems or young coaches who may be more likely to teach Coach K's methods than grizzled old-timers who are set in their ways...so be it. Just as it was Dom Caper's coaching life at stake when he hired Palmer, Fangio, and Pendry to teach the players, so will it fall on Kubiak. Give the guy a chance.
 
Fiddy said:
Kippy Brown was our last WR coach and was a NFL candidate for HC and OC jobs. That's a comparison for Shanny II...
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Not really. You can't make a comparison until you see what Shanny II does. You are making comparisons based on your opinion of what Shanny II can't do. Something that you really don't have a clue about.
Thats called a baseless assumption. He will have to do the job for at least a year to give you some sort of stats with which to make your comparison.
But giving the guy a chance isn't on your agenda, you just wish to disparage him for no good reason.

Due to you apparent lack of patience I will spell it out for you.

disparage : to depreciate by indirect means (as invidious comparison) : speak slightingly about.


:coffee:
 
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