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REPORT: Death at Reliant

Thinking back to the many times I have been on these very same escalators, they are all within building code requirements and have yellow warning labels on them cautioning people on proper use.

To fall off of an escalator requires a lot of effort. There will be lawyers involved however.

Very sad for the young man and his family. I hope they are able to find peace.
 
gwallaia said:
Thinking back to the many times I have been on these very same escalators, they are all within building code requirements and have yellow warning labels on them cautioning people on proper use.

To fall off of an escalator requires a lot of effort. There will be lawyers involved however.

Very sad for the young man and his family. I hope they are able to find peace.
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I know you're an architect and I'm not disputing your words or expertise at all. Just saying that building code doesn't factor in certain things and is not an automatic conclusion that it is safe. Not a lot of effort required for disaster in a place where they sell alcohol and have tons of people around. Roughhousing in a joyous stadium can easily been done. That being said... I don't see how the Texans will overreact to this. More safety barriers is always a good thing.

The callousness in this thread is par the course for the human race. Ship happens.
 
gwallaia said:
Thinking back to the many times I have been on these very same escalators, they are all within building code requirements and have yellow warning labels on them cautioning people on proper use.

To fall off of an escalator requires a lot of effort. There will be lawyers involved however.

Very sad for the young man and his family. I hope they are able to find peace.
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The guy is at peace but his family is not. It does require a lot of effort to fall off a escalator.
 
I am probably in the minority and I do feel sorry for the family...but I don't feel the least bit of concern about this bozo. If you stand on 610 in rush hour and get run over, am I supposed to feel sorry for you?

And before you say he was drunk and therefore he is excused, I don't buy that at all. He is the one who got drunk, I'm sure on purpose, and then acted like a complete moron. It's his responsibility - he committed suicide by stupidity. One less idiot in the gene pool. And people want to erect statues? What the hell is wrong with you people?

I've long been advocating a stamp on your hand or something every time you buy a beer. Limit it to one beer per half. That's plenty enough to get your buzz on without getting sloppy drunk. Sorry, but too many people are drinking like crazy, then the game ends, and they are out on the streets ready to kill someone. It also leads to disorderly conduct at the games. The Texans and all other NFL teams are nothing but hypocrites who talk out of both sides of their mouth because they make a ton of money off of beer. They say one thing, but do another.

And yes that means you cannot buy two beers and say one is for your buddy/wife - he or she needs to get her butt to the stand herself and buy one if they want one. Granted, there can be some cheating (go with me and then give me your beer) but that will cut WAY down on obnoxious and dangerous behavior leading to the death of themselves or others.
 
Porky said:
I am probably in the minority and I do feel sorry for the family...but I don't feel the least bit of concern about this bozo. If you stand on 610 in rush hour and get run over, am I supposed to feel sorry for you?

And before you say he was drunk and therefore he is excused, I don't buy that at all. He is the one who got drunk, I'm sure on purpose, and then acted like a complete moron. It's his responsibility - he committed suicide by stupidity. One less idiot in the gene pool. And people want to erect statues? What the hell is wrong with you people?

I've long been advocating a stamp on your hand or something every time you buy a beer. Limit it to one beer per half. That's plenty enough to get your buzz on without getting sloppy drunk. Sorry, but too many people are drinking like crazy, then the game ends, and they are out on the streets ready to kill someone. It also leads to disorderly conduct at the games. The Texans and all other NFL teams are nothing but hypocrites who talk out of both sides of their mouth because they make a ton of money off of beer. They say one thing, but do another.

And yes that means you cannot buy two beers and say one is for your buddy/wife - he or she needs to get her butt to the stand herself and buy one if they want one. Granted, there can be some cheating (go with me and then give me your beer) but that will cut WAY down on obnoxious and dangerous behavior leading to the death of themselves or others.
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I think what you're asking is unproductive. Most of the drunkness that I see comes from the tailgates. Nobody (as well as I) wants that taken away. You can't regulate what someone drinks before they come in the stadium and by then the alcohol has taken full effect.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I think what you're asking is unproductive. Most of the drunkness that I see comes from the tailgates. Nobody (as well as I) wants that taken away. You can't regulate what someone drinks before they come in the stadium and by then the alcohol has taken full effect.
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Good point. I guess the only thing that could be done is to set a rule on how much can be brought in and then have each car/truck searched and that's too much Orwellian stuff for me. I still think limiting the amount bought at the stadium will help though.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I think what you're asking is unproductive. Most of the drunkness that I see comes from the tailgates. Nobody (as well as I) wants that taken away. You can't regulate what someone drinks before they come in the stadium and by then the alcohol has taken full effect.
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And by the same token we're not supposed be callous when someone drinks and falls off the escalator, and in turn makes it more difficult for everyone else?

And you want to erect a statue for this moron? You people are nuts.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I think what you're asking is unproductive. Most of the drunkness that I see comes from the tailgates. Nobody (as well as I) wants that taken away. You can't regulate what someone drinks before they come in the stadium and by then the alcohol has taken full effect.
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Well, they can through public intoxication laws. But obviously the last thing the Texans want to do is piss off a customer base and potentially hurt a major revenue stream in alcohol sales.

They could make the entire facility a dry zone for all I care, but full discloser, I no longer drink booze.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I know you're an architect and I'm not disputing your words or expertise at all. Just saying that building code doesn't factor in certain things and is not an automatic conclusion that it is safe. Not a lot of effort required for disaster in a place where they sell alcohol and have tons of people around. Roughhousing in a joyous stadium can easily been done. That being said... I don't see how the Texans will overreact to this. More safety barriers is always a good thing.

The callousness in this thread is par the course for the human race. Ship happens.
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Yeah let's bubble wrap the planet to protect the idiots from themselves. :rolleyes:

Also what you call callousness I call reality and this doesn't have anything to do with some negative reflection on the human race. In my line of work I have to deal with cases like this all the time, sorry if I'm not sensitive enough.

I feel bad for his family and that will be a horrible funeral.. a completely unneccesary funeral. It can't be easy to bury a son, because he was a idiot who tried to ride down a escalator rail. Again feel sorry for the family, but this guy did something incredibly stupid.. A thing that parents should tell their kids about so hopefully nobody repeats his lapse in judgement.
 
Marcus said:
And by the same token we're not supposed be callous when someone drinks and falls off the escalator, and in turn makes it more difficult for everyone else?

And you want to erect a statue for this moron? You people are nuts.
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I never advocated putting up a statue. All I ever did was offer my condolences.
 
Double Barrel said:
Well, they can through public intoxication laws. But obviously the last thing the Texans want to do is piss off a customer base and potentially hurt a major revenue stream in alcohol sales.

They could make the entire facility a dry zone for all I care, but full discloser, I no longer drink booze.
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I also do not drink alcohol myself. Not against it. Just not a fan of the taste nor the buzz. I entertain myself in other ways that works for me. That being said, I wouldn't be for an alcohol ban. I would definitely support reasonable public intoxication enforcement.
 
What happened sucks, but you can't save people from their own stupidity. The only thing they might have been able to do was put a plexiglass wall along the side to make it harder to go over.

But then again, what the difference between what happened and someone climbing on the walls of the ramps and falling from there?
 
Carr Bombed said:
Yeah let's bubble wrap the planet to protect the idiots from themselves. :rolleyes:

Also what you call callousness I call reality and this doesn't have anything to do with some negative reflection on the human race. In my line of work I have to deal with cases like this all the time, sorry if I'm not sensitive enough.

I feel bad for his family and that will be a horrible funeral.. a completely unneccesary funeral. It can't be easy to bury a son, because he was a idiot who tried to ride down a escalator rail. Again feel sorry for the family, but this guy did something incredibly stupid.. A thing that parents should tell their kids about so hopefully nobody repeats his lapse in judgement.
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I'm with you on the bubble wrapping for the most part but I am factoring in legal ramifications in the form of lawsuits.

Fair enough. I wasn't asking you to be more sensitive. Let me try to clarifiy... I'm just noticing that the attitudes in the thread are increasingly jaded when it comes to their fellow human these days. I, myself, am not there yet. Call me naive if you like but I do still try to be wary, considerate, and kind of others and their downfalls. He made a bad decision or had a freak accident and it cost him his life. How can put his loss of life to use? By learning from his mistakes and bettering things so they don't happen again. Yeah, real simple thinking by me but it is what I am.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I think what you're asking is unproductive. Most of the drunkness that I see comes from the tailgates. Nobody (as well as I) wants that taken away. You can't regulate what someone drinks before they come in the stadium and by then the alcohol has taken full effect.
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OK.....so let me get this right. You thing it's unproductive to regulate alchohol at tailgating or in the stadium, but it's OK to blame the existing safety code guidelines for escalators. Gotcha.

You can't save people from themselves man.

If I decide to douse myself with gasoline and set myself on fire, are you going to blame the petrol companies for making that $hit flamable? I mean really....it's basically the same thing.

People know what they should and shouldn't do. You talk about how fast you like to drive your motorcycle. If you're doing 200mph (I don't know the fastest you go) and you wreck your damn bike....chances are pretty good you're not walking away from that. Is it the motorcycle companies fault you went that fast or is it yours?
 
Authorities have identified a 25-year-old Houston man who fell to his death while horsing around on an escalator at Reliant Stadium while attending the Texans preseason finale Thursday.

The man allegedly was trying to slide down the outside of the handrail on the escalator at the Coca-Cola Gate near the northeast side of the stadium at about 8:10 p.m. when he fell three stories, landing on the pavement. He was identified as Jonathan Kelly by the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences.

Police could not confirm the man was horse-playing before he fell, said Jodi Silva, a spokesman with the Houston Police Department. Silva said HPD is investigating the case and it is being looked at as an accidental death.

Kelly was attending the game with some friends, said a co-worker who was not at the event and asked that his name not be published.

Full article: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...dium-checks-escalator-after-fan-s-3829474.php
 
Stemp said:
What happened sucks, but you can't save people from their own stupidity. The only thing they might have been able to do was put a plexiglass wall along the side to make it harder to go over.

But then again, what the difference between what happened and someone climbing on the walls of the ramps and falling from there?
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I was at a Ron White show at Verizon theater with my dad a few years ago and a lady interrupted one of his jokes by falling over the rail of the second level.

Of course, Ron had to stop his set and the entire audience waited for the ambulance crew to arrive and carry her off. She was trashed when she fell, and Ron White showed no mercy about it after she was gone. His jokes were brutal, but funny as anything.

Like John Wayne said: "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
 
I read the article and just realized this. They have security personnel at entrances and exits to the elevators as well as at all gates. This could pose a huge problem for the company in charge of security for the stadium because it is my belief they are on post at the areas to insure that guests exit safely and to stop any behavior that could be deemed unsafe.
 
Double Barrel said:
I was at a Ron White show at Verizon theater with my dad a few years ago and a lady interrupted one of his jokes by falling over the rail of the second level.

Of course, Ron had to stop his set and the entire audience waited for the ambulance crew to arrive and carry her off. She was trashed when she fell, and Ron White showed no mercy about it after she was gone. His jokes were brutal, but funny as anything.

Like John Wayne said: "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
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I was there that night. I initially thought it was one of the huge lights falling out of the ceiling. Fortunately she survived and appeared to be ok although she was taken to the hospital.
 
StarStruck said:
I read the article and just realized this. They have security personnel at entrances and exits to the elevators as well as at all gates. This could pose a huge problem for the company in charge of security for the stadium because it is my belief they are on post at the areas to insure that guests exit safely and to stop any behavior that could be deemed unsafe.
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How are you going to stop someone from climbing over and falling off a crowded elevator once they have started down (or up)?
 
Cjeremy635 said:
OK.....so let me get this right. You thing it's unproductive to regulate alchohol at tailgating or in the stadium, but it's OK to blame the existing safety code guidelines for escalators. Gotcha.

You can't save people from themselves man.

If I decide to douse myself with gasoline and set myself on fire, are you going to blame the petrol companies for making that $hit flamable? I mean really....it's basically the same thing.

People know what they should and shouldn't do. You talk about how fast you like to drive your motorcycle. If you're doing 200mph (I don't know the fastest you go) and you wreck your damn bike....chances are pretty good you're not walking away from that. Is it the motorcycle companies fault you went that fast or is it yours?
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This

I hope they dont change the rules because of one idiot.

The Texans have never done anything like this before?

Oh wait...... maybe they have a slight tendency to overeact to problems. LOL

Condolences go out to his family RIP.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
OK.....so let me get this right. You thing it's unproductive to regulate alchohol at tailgating or in the stadium, but it's OK to blame the existing safety code guidelines for escalators. Gotcha.

You can't save people from themselves man.

If I decide to douse myself with gasoline and set myself on fire, are you going to blame the petrol companies for making that $hit flamable? I mean really....it's basically the same thing.

People know what they should and shouldn't do. You talk about how fast you like to drive your motorcycle. If you're doing 200mph (I don't know the fastest you go) and you wreck your damn bike....chances are pretty good you're not walking away from that. Is it the motorcycle companies fault you went that fast or is it yours?
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I have no idea what you are saying really. I disagree with NOTHING that you have said here. If I can prevent an accident then I will do everything in my power to prevent said accident. I just don't understand why that ticks you off. Safety barriers isn't asking for much nor is it meant to save everybody. For the greater good... would that be a fair statement?

And as for your unproductive comment. You completely misunderstood. You have it backwards. I was referring to Porky's suggestion on limiting the number of booze you can buy inside. I think enforcement there would be more unproductive than other methods such as more public intoxication enforcement or whatnot.
 
StarStruck said:
I read the article and just realized this. They have security personnel at entrances and exits to the elevators as well as at all gates. This could pose a huge problem for the company in charge of security for the stadium because it is my belief they are on post at the areas to insure that guests exit safely and to stop any behavior that could be deemed unsafe.
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Security does not ride the esculator with you. There are always 2-3 at the entrance to the one by Bud Plaza, & 2 at the top, but, they don't get on the escualtor at all. Nor do they have security that follows fans up the ramps, that I know of anyway.

Just like all tragic ACCIDENTS that's exactly what it was, an accident, but, an accident that could have been prevented. Where was this man's friends? I'm sure they are all second guessing their own actions today, but, I can guarantee you I would have knocked the crap out of one of my kids/grandkids or friends, before I'd let them do something so dumb. My grandson got stup*d drunk at a game a couple years ago and he spent two hours in the clinic with his Maw-Maw inflicting all kind of PAIN on his drunk body! He was escorted out of the stadium by the cops and I had my Blue Crew pals haul his a*s the rest of the way to the car. If you truly care about your friends, you protect them, even if they get ticked off. I feel very bad for this man's friends today because this is something they could have prevented, and they know it. VERY sad for all involved!!
 
Stemp said:
How are you going to stop someone from climbing over and falling off a crowded elevator once they have started down (or up)?
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If he had already started down and jumped on the rail, very little. However, if he was on top of the ramp and security had left post, it could be a big problem. The situation mentioned that happened at Verizon Theater, very little could be done because the woman had left her seat and went to the rail. Another difference that the woman fell to the first floor and crashed on to another guest which could have happened at Reliant and thank goodness it didn't.

I'm not minimizing the bad decision the fan made, but companies such as Reliant spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to security service companies to ensure the safety and wellbeing of those they serve. Let's hope it was an accident that could not have been prevented with the staff on hand.
 
Stemp said:
How are you going to stop someone from climbing over and falling off a crowded elevator once they have started down (or up)?
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plexiglass would do it I'd guess. I've used those elevators dozens of times and I think if they just screwed some tall plexiglass panels up on the edge that probably does the trick.
 
StarStruck said:
I was there that night. I initially thought it was one of the huge lights falling out of the ceiling. Fortunately she survived and appeared to be ok although she was taken to the hospital.
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I figured someone here would have been at that show. :)

Sad part is that he was right in the middle of a very funny routine when she fell. He never finished that story.
 
Double Barrel said:
I figured someone here would have been at that show. :)

Sad part is that he was right in the middle of a very funny routine when she fell. He never finished that story.
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I thought it gave him some additional material for future shows. I think he was still sober when that incident happened. I didn't see him the last time he was here and wondered if he mentioned that previous show.
 
StarStruck said:
I thought it gave him some additional material for future shows. I think he was still sober when that incident happened. I didn't see him the last time he was here and wondered if he mentioned that previous show.
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I thought about that, as well, because you know it's a show that he'll never forget.

He did extend his set a little longer that night. Dude was one of the funniest comics I've ever seen.

[/thread hijack] ;)
 
badboy said:
Police could not confirm the man was horse-playing before he fell, said Jodi Silva, a spokesman with the Houston Police Department. Silva said HPD is investigating the case and it is being looked at as an accidental death.
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They also can't confirm he was teleported over the side or pushed by a midget. Jesuchristo, they weren't there!

StarStruck said:
I read the article and just realized this. They have security personnel at entrances and exits to the elevators as well as at all gates. This could pose a huge problem for the company in charge of security for the stadium because it is my belief they are on post at the areas to insure that guests exit safely and to stop any behavior that could be deemed unsafe.
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The security is there to prevent pileups and people getting trampled to death, that's about it. Unless they're riding side-by-side with you on it, they can't prevent much.
 
SheTexan said:
BUT, to honor a drunk who made a childish decision is insane!
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:foottap: I'm a drunk child!

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BTW, I like how a couple of people *ahem* feared it was me. :gun:

;)

To be quite honest, I'm not fond of heights (and yes I have jumped out of perfectly good airplanes).

On the few occasions where I've used the escalator, I don't really look down (unless it's at the tread beneath me that I'm standing on). I usually walk the ramps 80% of the time on the way in and take the stairs down on the way out.

As an aside, I didnt even make it to the 103rd home game. My first missed home game ever.
 
Texan_Bill said:
As an aside, I didnt even make it to the 103rd home game. My first missed home game ever.
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102 in a row was a hellava streak. Good luck at breaking your record.

I'm dumbfounded. Hard to believe someone who do that. Glad no one else was hurt or killed trying to stop him.

Yep, I'm sticking to the ramps. It's more fun, anyway.
 
disaacks3 said:
They also can't confirm he was teleported over the side or pushed by a midget. Jesuchristo, they weren't there!

The security is there to prevent pileups and people getting trampled to death, that's about it. Unless they're riding side-by-side with you on it, they can't prevent much.
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well he allegedly jumped onto the rail to ride it down so I'm guessing viewers gave that info. I sort of doubt ants in his pants caused him to jump on rail & no one mentioned anyone throwing him onto the rail so I bet horseplay is a good possibility. I like the idea of teleportation as AJ could maybe learn to do that and take a TD to end zone without injury
 
NitroGSXR said:
Safety barriers isn't asking for much nor is it meant to save everybody.
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So a wall on each side that's about ,I don't know 3½, 4 feet high, or whatever it is, with handrails on top of it, isn't a safety barrier?

You can't protect people from being stupid. You can't. You put a bubble around the damn thing and some idiot will jump off just to bounce down on the bubble. That's just the way it is.

Reliant doesn't need to do a damn thing, other than get the damn things to work (I swear at least one is not running at our gate almost every game). They've got warnings posted on the escalators, they've got personnel at every entry point, and the 3½ foot walls along the entire ride. Keep your ass inside the ride at all times, and nothing stupid will happen.


Texan_Bill said:
As an aside, I didnt even make it to the 103rd home game. My first missed home game ever.
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My streak is still alive. 103 and counting baby!!!!!!!!!
 
The 25 year old was the husband of a friend's niece. Prayers out for her and his other family and friends.
 
mexican texan said:
Apparently we aren't the only stadium having such instances this week. Last night a fan fell from the upper level at the Georgia Dome.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/fan-falls-upper-level-georgia-022639541--ncaaf.html
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Yeah, crap happens.

People know you aren't supposed to climb over handrails. What's to keep someone sitting in the 600's section of Reliant from walking to the edge and taking a swan dive off? Other than an electric chain link fence, there isn't much more you can do. If you want to do something stupid, you'll do it. Most people's brains are hard wired to where they won't take dumb risks....some aren't.
 
New Reliant Stadium Safety Signage:

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Between 12 AM and 12 AM (including at 12 AM)*: There will be no climbing onto or sliding down handrail and falling to your death.

*Any other time, please feel free to do so.
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Cjeremy635 said:
What's to keep someone sitting in the 600's section of Reliant from walking to the edge and taking a swan dive off?
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If I haven't done it by now, I'm not going to. I was tempted after the 2006 and 2007 Titans games.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Is this the first death at Reliant? I would count construction deaths if there are any.
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Having worked on the project, I don't remember any construction fatalities. I really don't even remember any serious injuries reported. I'm getting old so my memory may be failing me. I do know that there were a couple of deaths related to Cowboy's Stadium whenever a tower crane fell over IIRC.
 
Lucky said:
102 in a row was a hellava streak. Good luck at breaking your record.

I'm dumbfounded. Hard to believe someone who do that. Glad no one else was hurt or killed trying to stop him.

Yep, I'm sticking to the ramps. It's more fun, anyway.
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Thanks man!! I'm sure there are plenty of people that now have one game up on me now... "Keeping up with the Jones' " sucks!

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BTW, y'all should check out the crazy escalator in the Nati!!

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And this picture doesn't even really do it justice. It's pretty scary looking. Fortunately for me, my roadie there, the people that hosted Mitch, Vicki and I had 1st row seats, field level. :whew:
 
Keep your ass inside the ride at all times, and nothing stupid will happen.

Yes...it really is that simple.
 
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