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Replacement GM thread

I think people are over reacting a little here, so far we have only had 1 guy turn us down, who gets paid like a gm already with none of the downside to it. If the Jerry values McClay that much I wouldn't doubt he offered him a pay raise to stay. Gutekunst had every intention of interviewing with us before Green Bay offered him what was probably his dream job.

We have interviewed Jimmy Raye and Gaine, and so far there are no reports of us offering either of them the job. so so far it looks like we are waiting for more candidates, that could change any time o suppose but no need to get your panties twisted over it
 
Double Barrel said:
The OWNER needs to hire a football GM and get out of his way. Not someone that is beholden to a hot seat coach and a boardroom, but someone that has vision, direction, and understands how to achieve it. Right now that person with the Texans is Bill O'Brien. Seems like the cart is in front of the horse.
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I finally get how to appropriately use this idiom. Thank you
 
Double Barrel said:
All I mean about "splash" is to see a bold decision by the OWNER, not a four person corporate committee + a professional consultation company that arrives at a safe decision.

The OWNER needs to hire a football GM and get out of his way. Not someone that is beholden to a hot seat coach and a boardroom, but someone that has vision, direction, and understands how to achieve it. Right now that person with the Texans is Bill O'Brien. Seems like the cart is in front of the horse.
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I'm not quite clear on the above paragraph specifically the bolded. I'm with you on your McNair needs to hire a competent GM and get out of his way. Said so myself with that "Just sign the damned checks" statement.

Are you saying Bill O'Brien is the person "that has vision, direction, and understands how to achieve it"? Please explain. Show me what I've been missing. I haven't seen any part of the offense that got better, over the past four years, due to O'Brien's coaching. Please don't say DeShaun Watson because he was good before he got here. I will give O'Brien credit for turning him loose.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm not quite clear on the above paragraph specifically the bolded. I'm with you on your McNair needs to hire a competent GM and get out of his way. Said so myself with that "Just sign the damned checks" statement.

Are you saying Bill O'Brien is the person "that has vision, direction, and understands how to achieve it"? Please explain. Show me what I've been missing. I haven't seen any part of the offense that got better, over the past four years, due to O'Brien's coaching. Please don't say DeShaun Watson because he was good before he got here. I will give O'Brien credit for turning him loose.
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That's why DB is bitchin about McNair not taking the lead and making a bold decision instead of relying on a boardroom approach. I very much agree. An individual selection tends to fare better than a consensus selection since the individual selection is exactly what you're looking for and the boardroom approach is a watered down compromise.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Gaine and have since he was hired by Ricky. He's got a solid background and would be a huge upgrade at the GM position. He's smart, he got out of town when he could see the Texans collapse coming. You could do alot worse at the GM position than Brian Gaine.

With that said I hope they interview Wolf/Caserio.

My hire would be Caserio, which means Gaine will be the Texans next GM.
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I would think that if it was Gaine he would already have been signed.

Leads me to think that we are waiting for someone on a team still in the playoffs.

Of course there is always the chance that our preferred candidate/s has already signed with some other team.

As a franchise with no contingency planning that would send us into frenzy time and panic mode.:stooges:

Any suggestions who is out there that fits that description? Sashi Brown? :trophy:


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idk caserio is apparently really close with Obrien, he has been mentioned from the beginning maybe that's who they are eyeing. Mcnair never put a time frame out, he said they would like to get it done in a couple weeks, but if it takes longer it takes longer. idk who else is out there not in the playoffs that would be good to bring in for at least an interview
 
Shishkabob said:
idk caserio is apparently really close with Obrien, he has been mentioned from the beginning maybe that's who they are eyeing. Mcnair never put a time frame out, he said they would like to get it done in a couple weeks, but if it takes longer it takes longer. idk who else is out there not in the playoffs that would be good to bring in for at least an interview
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While they are sitting/waiting on their duffs I suppose they could approach Manning just to take his temperature.

:coffee:
 
infantrycak said:
Don't get why people are impatient. Would you rather have a guy from a SB team or a didn't make the playoffs team? It's not like anyone else can interview them.
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From what I've seen, it's because they want to see the Texans get started on grading players for FA and the draft. IMO that's already occurring due to McNair's statements regarding the new GM's leash, as far as firing people. I'm all for waiting.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm not quite clear on the above paragraph specifically the bolded. I'm with you on your McNair needs to hire a competent GM and get out of his way. Said so myself with that "Just sign the damned checks" statement.

Are you saying Bill O'Brien is the person "that has vision, direction, and understands how to achieve it"? Please explain. Show me what I've been missing. I haven't seen any part of the offense that got better, over the past four years, due to O'Brien's coaching. Please don't say DeShaun Watson because he was good before he got here. I will give O'Brien credit for turning him loose.
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I do not think O'Brien has vision, direction, and understands how to achieve it, but he is obviously the man that McNair has in that role when he is allowed to help handpick his own GM after a 4-12 season.

McNair does things backwards. He picks the HC and then lets the HC have a voice in picking the GM. He did it with Kubiak and is now repeating that history with O'Brien.

It is just my opinion, but I think Casserly scared McNair away from strong-willed GMs that want full control.

infantrycak said:
Don't get why people are impatient. Would you rather have a guy from a SB team or a didn't make the playoffs team? It's not like anyone else can interview them.
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The problem is Houston sports media and talk radio. Half the time they make statements that they act like is fact but is really just conjecture and speculation. They create an atmosphere for ratings but is not necessarily conducive to an informed fan base. I have fallen victim to it before and try to verify the information before I post it here.

For instance, John Lopez was ranting this morning that Rick Smith is bending Cal McNair's ear about choosing the GM. He was acting like this was public knowledge. But, I was unable to find that anywhere to substantiate it, so it is obviously opinion presented as fact.
 
After considering the candidates, I’m hopeful that we hire a GM that can work well with OB but not one that is tied to OB. I’m for giving OB more time but on a very short leash. I’ve seen some good with him and some bad. I’d hate to see us cut ties and have him go on to a successful career with another, and I’d also hate to be stuck with him if he can’t learn from his mistakes
 
infantrycak said:
Don't get why people are impatient. Would you rather have a guy from a SB team or a didn't make the playoffs team? It's not like anyone else can interview them.
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The risk with waiting is that our Plan B candidates may be snatched up. And if someone like Caserio says ‘no’, who will be left?
 
otisbean said:
After considering the candidates, I’m hopeful that we hire a GM that can work well with OB but not one that is tied to OB. I’m for giving OB more time but on a very short leash. I’ve seen some good with him and some bad. I’d hate to see us cut ties and have him go on to a successful career with another, and I’d also hate to be stuck with him if he can’t learn from his mistakes
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2 of the 3 supposed candidates have ties with Obrien, maybe 3 of 4 idk about the osenforth guy from new England, in sure he is familiar as well. I don't care if who we hire has ties with him as long as they know when to severe those ties if it comes to it.
 
infantrycak said:
How was Gaine doing such a good, well-respected job when the talent on the team and drafting have sucked?
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Without knowing how much Gains actually participated in the decision-making process I don't know how to evaluate his performance ?
infantrycak said:
Huh? McNair said the GM will report, as he has been, directly to McNair.
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My thought would be that McNair was just emphasizing that the GM does not account to the HC but only to him, the owner.
 
infantrycak said:
Don't get why people are impatient. Would you rather have a guy from a SB team or a didn't make the playoffs team? It's not like anyone else can interview them.
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This is me. We figure to be bigger players in FA & that won't start for another few months. & It's not like our scouting department stopped scouting the minute Smith stepped down nor are any drastic changes going to occur in how they scout talent....at least for this year anyway. Aside from that, we don't have a 1st & 2nd round pick this year.

Like the qb position, take your time & get the right guy.
 
Shishkabob said:
I think people are over reacting a little here, so far we have only had 1 guy turn us down, who gets paid like a gm already with none of the downside to it. If the Jerry values McClay that much I wouldn't doubt he offered him a pay raise to stay. Gutekunst had every intention of interviewing with us before Green Bay offered him what was probably his dream job.

We have interviewed Jimmy Raye and Gaine, and so far there are no reports of us offering either of them the job. so so far it looks like we are waiting for more candidates, that could change any time o suppose but no need to get your panties twisted over it
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Gaine's interview was delayed until today.
 
What the deal with McClay? Just saw a note posted 6 hrs ago that he declined to interview with Texans, whereas yesterday seems like he was complaining that he hadn't heard from the Texans but would be delighted to interview. Strange Cowboy days.
 
Double Barrel said:
I do not think O'Brien has vision, direction, and understands how to achieve it, but he is obviously the man that McNair has in that role when he is allowed to help handpick his own GM after a 4-12 season.

McNair does things backwards. He picks the HC and then lets the HC have a voice in picking the GM. He did it with Kubiak and is now repeating that history with O'Brien.
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I don't have an issue with that approach because it DID work for Kubiak. But it worked because GK knew what offense he was trying to install here and what players he needed to make it successful. It also worked for Pete Carroll who basically hired John Scheider as the "GM" but Carroll has the final say in football matters. Doesn't Belichick have the final say in player acquisition matters (well, except for the Garappolo episode)?

So that approach isn't inherently flawed given you hire the right HC in the first place.

Neither of us is sure O'Brien is the right guy with a clear vision and definitive path to success. So it's tough, for me, to see how McNair's 'hire the HC first and let him help pick the GM' approach will work this time.
 
Shishkabob said:
2 of the 3 supposed candidates have ties with Obrien, maybe 3 of 4 idk about the osenforth guy from new England, in sure he is familiar as well. I don't care if who we hire has ties with him as long as they know when to severe those ties if it comes to it.
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The last line of your post is precisely what I meant. If he flounders he needs to go. I’m hopeful that he’s learned some valuable lessons over the past few seasons and he becomes a really good HC. I’ve heard he can be an A-hole and I’m hoping that was due in large part to the friction with Smith.
 
I'll go on record as saying that leaving the door open to Smith's return to the Texans has scared potential GMs (more than we will know on the surface).........and that when he returns, he will be a "silent" disrupturor waiting for failure so that he can regain his old job.............and I have no reason to believe that the McNairs will prevent that from happening.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'll go on record as saying that leaving the door open to Smith's return to the Texans has scared potential GMs (more than we will know on the surface).........and that when he returns, he will be a "silent" disrupturor waiting for failure so that he can regain his old job.............and I have no reason to believe that the McNairs will prevent that from happening.
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I don’t think Gaine would return if there was a chance RS would be involved, given that he left for a lateral move to Buffalo. I also think Gaine’s contract will be telling. If it’s in the 4-5 yr range I think Smith is done with the FB side of the operation. If they wanted to set the stage for Smith to return I think they would have hired Raye
 
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Seems like a nice safe hire.

Very Texans like, no thinking outside the box. I'm pretty sure Ricky's influence is here to stay for a very long time. # Mediocrity

One thing appears to be true is that no other GM candidates bothered to apply if they had to work under Bob/Cal/Ricky McNair and I like Gaine alot.
 
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While the Texans are negotiating on a contract to hire Brian Gaine as their new GM, they’re also working on an extension for Bill O’Brien, who has one year left on his contract. O’Brien is expected to sign the long-term extension.

— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) January 11, 2018


Texans are in negotiations to hire Brian Gaine as GM and would like to wrap it up in time for him to attend the Senior Bowl.

— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) January 10, 2018
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Do we really need another thread.......at least until the GM is officially picked?
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You didn't have to click on it, then make that reply. But yeah, I guess a thread 7,000 pages long is better. Maybe we should just have an All Encompassing Texans thread and just leave it at that.
 
infantrycak said:
If this is so set in stone why hasn't it been announced? Already Rooney compliant.

I think we're in the reporter repeat zone. McClain speculates it, Rap repeats, Adam repeats, McClain says see everyone says so, etc.
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So this is just another national reporter that is making stuff up?

Atleast your consistent.
 
McClain on 610 today was asked to comment of McClay's comment that the Texans GM position is appealing in some ways and unappealing in other ways............specifically what was unappealing. McClain responded: the pending return of Rick Smith.......the condition of the OL.........and the absence of a 1st and 2nd rnd 2018 pick.
 
infantrycak said:
Reading is fundamental. Look at what he said. Does he claim a source? - no. Did I say Rap made it up? - no. I said he is repeating another reporter.
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Whatever dude, play with words all you want.

I remember last offseason when you basically called Glazer/Lombardi/RapSheet a bunch of hacks and despite this post I'm sure your opinion hasn't changed.
 
steelbtexan said:
Whatever dude, play with words all you want.

I remember last offseason when you basically called Glazer/Lombardi/RapSheet a bunch of hacks and despite this post I'm sure your opinion hasn't changed.
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No you don't remember it because it didn't happen. Now save us both some trouble and stop repeating it or prove it
 
zshawn10 said:
While the Texans are negotiating on a contract to hire Brian Gaine as their new GM, they’re also working on an extension for Bill O’Brien, who has one year left on his contract. O’Brien is expected to sign the long-term extension.

— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) January 11, 2018


Texans are in negotiations to hire Brian Gaine as GM and would like to wrap it up in time for him to attend the Senior Bowl.

— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) January 10, 2018
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like for them to get their collective **** together in time for me to attend a Super Bowl but I think their odds of getting Gaine are better than my odds of ever seeing that happen.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'll go on record as saying that leaving the door open to Smith's return to the Texans has scared potential GMs (more than we will know on the surface).........and that when he returns, he will be a "silent" disrupturor waiting for failure so that he can regain his old job.............and I have no reason to believe that the McNairs will prevent that from happening.
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Playing devil's advocate. Couldn't this same logic be applied to O'Brien?

I'll go on record saying giving O'Brien an extension without any input from the new GM scared potential GMs....O'Brien has won one battle with a GM, has a reputation as a teapot who could be a vocal disruptors waiting for failure to make his next power play and to hire one of his buddies from the Patriots.

My point is we don't know what's happening on Kirby and can easily speculate on Smith OR O'Brien as being the reason a potential GM would be reluctant to take the job. They both could be equal opportunity disruptors.
 
Earl34 said:
Playing devil's advocate. Couldn't this same logic be applied to O'Brien?

I'll go on record saying giving O'Brien an extension without any input from the new GM scared potential GMs....O'Brien has won one battle with a GM, has a reputation as a teapot who could be a vocal disruptors waiting for failure to make his next power play and to hire one of his buddies from the Patriots.

My point is we don't know what's happening on Kirby and can easily speculate on Smith OR O'Brien as being the reason a potential GM would be reluctant to take the job. They both could be equal opportunity disruptors.
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Not "Smith or O'Brien", but Smith and O'Brien. The whole thing is FUBAR for a new GM.
 
Earl34 said:
Playing devil's advocate. Couldn't this same logic be applied to O'Brien?

I'll go on record saying giving O'Brien an extension without any input from the new GM scared potential GMs....O'Brien has won one battle with a GM, has a reputation as a teapot who could be a vocal disruptors waiting for failure to make his next power play and to hire one of his buddies from the Patriots.

My point is we don't know what's happening on Kirby and can easily speculate on Smith OR O'Brien as being the reason a potential GM would be reluctant to take the job. They both could be equal opportunity disruptors.
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The problem I have with that take is that McNair has repeatedly said that the new GM will only answer to the McNairs.
 
ObsiWan said:
I don't have an issue with that approach because it DID work for Kubiak. But it worked because GK knew what offense he was trying to install here and what players he needed to make it successful. It also worked for Pete Carroll who basically hired John Scheider as the "GM" but Carroll has the final say in football matters. Doesn't Belichick have the final say in player acquisition matters (well, except for the Garappolo episode)?

So that approach isn't inherently flawed given you hire the right HC in the first place.

Neither of us is sure O'Brien is the right guy with a clear vision and definitive path to success. So it's tough, for me, to see how McNair's 'hire the HC first and let him help pick the GM' approach will work this time.
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Did it really work when they (Kubiak & Smith) took SIX seasons to reach the playoffs? And only two playoff appearances in 8 seasons? And add a 2-14 season into that mix, as well?

I guess "success" is subjective, but I would hope we could have higher expectations than waiting that long for fairly average results.
 
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