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Replacement GM thread

CloakNNNdagger said:




Greaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!! Very reassuring!:toropalm:
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I hope that facepalm doesn't mean you expected McNair to change his modus operandi.
When has it been different?
In fact I think that's why Casserly left. He wanted to be over the HC and McNair wouldn't do it so he walked.

In McNair's mind the GM runs personnel dept. and the HC runs operations dept.
Both are line orgs that answer to the head shed. Neither "line org" is over the other, both answer to The Boss.
 
banned1976 said:
That would be different. Do you like the structure and results of (and from) the Texans organization so far? I'm going to go ahead and write it - the McNair's are football stupid. Bob has already proven he will circumnavigate the coaching staff and with bad results. Texian was right about one thing - the McNair's need to hire the right GM and get the **** out of his way. And I don't care if that means firing OB. Fine, I'm all for it. Just as long as Cal and Bob leave the football operations to the people who know what they're doing. Just sign the damn checks and shut the hell up during the ownership meetings. Simple.
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Exactly. I agree this is the correct structure.

Unfortunately it looks like we're gonna get O'Brien a yes man (Gaine) with Rick Smith waiting to swoop back in if it's another losing season.
 
ObsiWan said:
I hope that facepalm doesn't mean you expected McNair to change his modus operandi.
When has it been different?
In fact I think that's why Casserly left. He wanted to be over the HC and McNair wouldn't do it so he walked.

In McNair's mind the GM runs personnel dept. and the HC runs operations dept.
Both are line orgs that answer to the head shed. Neither "line org" is over the other, both answer to The Boss.
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Not talking about that. Talking about if the McNairs continue to meddle in player personnel matters. Robert Kraft is solidly embedded in the business of the Pats, without involving himself in player personnel.
 
And Jimmy G was given away for a song and a dance. Has made me wonder what the deal was ever since that deal went down. It was incredibly lopsided in favor of SF. That was an absolute steal by SF. It felt like borderline collusion. He was worth at bare min two 2nd round picks just based on upside and potential alone.
 
Porky said:
And Jimmy G was given away for a song and a dance. Has made me wonder what the deal was ever since that deal went down. It was incredibly lopsided in favor of SF. That was an absolute steal by SF. It felt like borderline collusion. He was worth at bare min two 2nd round picks just based on upside and potential alone.
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Yeah. Story line went from them wanting more than a 1st in the offseason to them taking a 2nd mid-season.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Not talking about that. Talking about if the McNairs continue to meddle in player personnel matters. Robert Kraft is solidly embedded in the business of the Pats, without involving himself in player personnel.
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What exactly are the McNair's accused of regarding meddling in personnel? McNair said we needed a QB, and he was right. Anyone who watched the team knew that. McNair doesn't want bad apples? I don't think he's alone among owners. Is it the Duane Brown saga? Yes, that sucked. But, hopefully it's a one off deal. I'm not defending the McNair's. 16 seasons and they haven't learned the NFL, yet. They wouldn't know a good HC or GM if they were slapped in the face with one. I just haven't seen the massive player meddling they're being accused of.
infantrycak said:
Yeah. Story line went from them wanting more than a 1st in the offseason to them taking a 2nd mid-season.
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What I heard (maybe on SNF pre-game?) was that the Browns offered more, but Garapollo didn't want to go there. So Kraft nixed the deal, and the Pats shipped him to the Niners.
 
Lucky said:
What exactly are the McNair's accused of regarding meddling in personnel? McNair said we needed a QB, and he was right. Anyone who watched the team knew that. McNair doesn't want bad apples? I don't think he's alone among owners. Is it the Duane Brown saga? Yes, that sucked. But, hopefully it's a one off deal. I'm not defending the McNair's. 16 seasons and they haven't learned the NFL, yet. They wouldn't know a good HC or GM if they were slapped in the face with one. I just haven't seen the massive player meddling they're being accused of.

What I heard (maybe on SNF pre-game?) was that the Browns offered more, but Garapollo didn't want to go there. So Kraft nixed the deal, and the Pats shipped him to the Niners.
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Let's not forget the major faux pas Ed Reed and the Schaub/Keenum situation (although I agreed with playing Keenum).
 
Lucky said:
What I heard (maybe on SNF pre-game?) was that the Browns offered more, but Garapollo didn't want to go there. So Kraft nixed the deal, and the Pats shipped him to the Niners.
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Interesting - still Kraft 'meddling.'

If OB was as enamored of Garoppolo as some around here purport to know, I find it very hard to believe we didn't offer at least a 1st for him.

I'm not one who believes every attempted trade becomes public knowledge.
 
infantrycak said:
Interesting - still Kraft 'meddling.'

If OB was as enamored of Garoppolo as some around here purport to know, I find it very hard to believe we didn't offer at least a 1st for him.

I'm not one who believes every attempted trade becomes public knowledge.
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there were rumors that belichek wasn't going to send him to a team he felt could threaten the patriots. the Texans with a capable qb could certainly do that. Also why he shipped him to the NFC only have to see him every 4 years.
 
Shishkabob said:
there were rumors that belichek wasn't going to send him to a team he felt could threaten the patriots. the Texans with a capable qb could certainly do that. Also why he shipped him to the NFC only have to see him every 4 years.
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That wasn't a rumor even. Fan speculation. Self-adulatory at that.
 
infantrycak said:
Interesting - still Kraft 'meddling.'

If OB was as enamored of Garoppolo as some around here purport to know, I find it very hard to believe we didn't offer at least a 1st for him.

I'm not one who believes every attempted trade becomes public knowledge.
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The Kraft meddling/ Jimmy G situation was a $$$$ situation and Kraft made the decision to keep Brady over Jimmy G.

BB didn't want to trade Jimmy G to the Texans since the Texans appeared to be a QB away from really being able to compete with the Pats. So he would've rather traded Jimmy G to a NFC team for a 2nd than to an AFC team like the Texans where he would have to likely face him in the playoffs regularly for a 1st. (Browns not withstanding.)

I agree with your statement about not every trade offer becoming public knowledge. For instance, when it came to signing Os or trading for Jimmy G, you'd have to think Ricky atleast made a call about a trade to BB before signing OS.

I'm still LOL'ing at posters who said at the time when it was suggested that Ricky trade for Jimmy G, that they didn't want anymore of the Pats used garbage.
 
banned1976 said:
That would be different. Do you like the structure and results of (and from) the Texans organization so far? I'm going to go ahead and write it - the McNair's are football stupid. Bob has already proven he will circumnavigate the coaching staff and with bad results. Texian was right about one thing - the McNair's need to hire the right GM and get the **** out of his way. And I don't care if that means firing OB. Fine, I'm all for it. Just as long as Cal and Bob leave the football operations to the people who know what they're doing. Just sign the damn checks and shut the hell up during the ownership meetings. Simple.
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Man, the McNairs run their org like a middle mgt person would.

They tell the purchasing mgr the he can make all of the decisions in purchasing. Then when he makes a decision they come back and say well I know I told you that you can make all of the decisions in your dept and you can, except for this decision.

I've worked for bosses like this in the past and it sucks.
 
infantrycak said:
That wasn't a rumor even. Fan speculation. Self-adulatory at that.
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seeing as people in the media said it I will classify it as a rumor. are rumors always true? no, so should we classify everything the media says without it being proven fab speculation?
 
Shishkabob said:
seeing as people in the media said it I will classify it as a rumor. are rumors always true? no, so should we classify everything the media says without it being proven fab speculation?
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Yes, without a source it is media speculation. Rumor by definition is something from someone with purported knowledge.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes, without a source it is media speculation. Rumor by definition is something from someone with purported knowledge.
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Depends on who the rumor comes from. Lombardi has strong ties to the Pats for instance. I believe what he reports about them. You're skeptical about most things. that's just the difference in our personalities.

So, we will have to agree to disagree.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes, without a source it is media speculation. Rumor by definition is something from someone with purported knowledge.
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I will take what adam schefter says as a rumor, whether he says he has sources or not. he has more inside knowledge of all 32 teams than this entire board combine has of the Texans.
 
Doesn't matter who it comes from, speculation and rumor are two distinct words with distinct definitions. It's like fornication & masturbation - one can be done alone, the other cannot.
 
Would love Nick Caserio as our gm; also was the wr coach when Brady threw 50 TDs

And that brings us to Nick Caserio. As all these guys who worked under him have quick success and the guys he learned under keep plugging along, Caserio is still here.

Still here even though he’s among the best execs in the league and has been for a while.

Putting it plainly, there is no personnel man in the league has a better resume than he does when it comes to exhausting all avenues of player acquisition.

Just going off the current roster of recent pickups is fascinating. Caserio’s brought on players in the draft (Malcolm Mitchell, Joe Thuney and Vincent Valentine this season after the league took the team’s first-rounder). He’s brought them in as rookie free agents (Malcolm Butler, Jonathan Jones), in-season trades (Akeem Ayers, Jonathan Casillas, Kyle Van Noy), waiver claims (Michael Floyd), restricted free agents (Chris Hogan) unrestricted free agents (Chris Long, Jabaal Sheard).

He’s built depth at the most important position on the field -- quarterback -- where the Patriots are three-deep. He’s put together complex contracts like the one with Rob Gronkowski and made sure the middle-class was well-paid as it developed (Marcus Cannon). He’s reeled free agents back in after they hit the market (Devin McCourty) and made extremely difficult moves that would make most personnel men blanch (trading Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones). He’s good at keeping the team away from mortgaging its future and he’s been outstanding at leveraging it with trades to pick up draft picks.

Because of the overwhelming shadow Bill Belichick casts on all things Patriots, Caserio isn’t singularly recognized as being the one behind personnel moves even though Belichick doles out the credit to Caserio all year long as being the one doing the negotiations and overseeing the pro and college personnel and scouting departments. Caserio wouldn’t do anything without Belichick’s tacit or direct approval but there’s a whole lot that Belichick knows he doesn’t have to worry about because Caserio is on it. He’s on everything.
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http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/new...and-patriots-best-available-nfl-executive?amp
 
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banned1976 said:
That would be different. Do you like the structure and results of (and from) the Texans organization so far? I'm going to go ahead and write it - the McNair's are football stupid. Bob has already proven he will circumnavigate the coaching staff and with bad results. Texian was right about one thing - the McNair's need to hire the right GM and get the **** out of his way. And I don't care if that means firing OB. Fine, I'm all for it. Just as long as Cal and Bob leave the football operations to the people who know what they're doing. Just sign the damn checks and shut the hell up during the ownership meetings. Simple.
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Where is Texian? Would love to hear his thoughts. He always has had the best up and coming names for GM. I thought he’d be happy that Tricky Rick is finally gone.
 
TexansFight said:
Where is Texian? Would love to hear his thoughts. He always has had the best up and coming names for GM. I thought he’d be happy that Tricky Rick is finally gone.
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He has been big on DeCosta & Wolf. Probably would be in board with Nick Caserio as well.
 
any official word on people we are interviewing? outside of gaine I've only seen talk of us interested in people, but nothing saying we've been granted permission to interview them
 
Lucky said:
What exactly are the McNair's accused of regarding meddling in personnel? McNair said we needed a QB, and he was right. Anyone who watched the team knew that. McNair doesn't want bad apples? I don't think he's alone among owners. Is it the Duane Brown saga? Yes, that sucked. But, hopefully it's a one off deal. I'm not defending the McNair's. 16 seasons and they haven't learned the NFL, yet. They wouldn't know a good HC or GM if they were slapped in the face with one. I just haven't seen the massive player meddling they're being accused of.

What I heard (maybe on SNF pre-game?) was that the Browns offered more, but Garapollo didn't want to go there. So Kraft nixed the deal, and the Pats shipped him to the Niners.
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Ed. Reed.
 
John McClain‏Verified account@McClain_on_NFL 6m6 minutes ago

McNair on new GM “He may have 1 or 2 key people he’s worked with, and he might want 2 bring them N. That's reasonable. It’s also reasonable 2 ask that person 2 work with the people we have this year and C what he thinks. We're not going 2 have somebody come in and clean house."

McNair “The GM is going to have full authority over personnel, and he’ll report to Cal and me. That's our message 2 potential GMs, We know what we want. We’ll pick somebody that Cal and I like, coach O’Brien likes and Jamey likes. We pretty much agree on what we’re looking for."

Bob McNair said today the Texans plan to interview 4 to 6 candidates 2B their next GM, who'll have control of personnel and will answer 2 Bob and Cal McNair. Bill O'Brien and president Jamey Rootes r on the 4-man search committee. They hope 2 have it done n "a week or 2."

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Don't really know what McNair means in the top statement.
[BTW, McClain is beginning to tweet like a teen texting.]
 
John McClain‏Verified account@McClain_on_NFL 7m7 minutes ago

McNair “Rick (Smith) needs 2 take care of his family. Hopefully, they’ll get good results. Some people have raised the question if Rick comes back at the end of a year, he’s going 2 have undue influence on the GM. That’s not the case. Rick might not want 2 come back."

More McNair on Rick Smith and his year-long leave of absence “We don’t know what Rick might do. That’s something we’ll discuss a year from now. The only concern is to take care of his family, and we’re not going beyond that.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
John McClain‏Verified account@McClain_on_NFL 7m7 minutes ago

McNair “Rick (Smith) needs 2 take care of his family. Hopefully, they’ll get good results. Some people have raised the question if Rick comes back at the end of a year, he’s going 2 have undue influence on the GM. That’s not the case. Rick might not want 2 come back."

More McNair on Rick Smith and his year-long leave of absence “We don’t know what Rick might do. That’s something we’ll discuss a year from now. The only concern is to take care of his family, and we’re not going beyond that.”
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Rick seems to be full of himself because he acted like he'll be back cause he's RS .
 
Can anyone explain what makes Brian Gaine a popular GM candidate? He previously interviewed with the 49ers, Bills, Eagles, Bears and Jets. None of those teams hired him as a GM.

Is he on the Texans list simply because he has a history with O'Brien and will defer to him? Exactly what has he accomplished in the NFL? Anyone else concerned that so many teams declined to hire this guy as a GM, but is one of the first names John McClain threw out?
 
A good read .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...142-ba40-a418948c05f5/?utm_term=.1a0b907531a2

"Yeah, I could have maintained job security and let things happen that went against what I believe in," he said. "But I felt I had a responsibility to the Redskins to correct the situation. I wasn't going to stay somewhere that violated what I believe in and where we had no chance of succeeding. If I had ignored it, I wouldn't have been doing my job. I didn't want to be a general manager under these circumstances."

Beathard certainly didn't seem the type who would purposely seek a confrontation with someone as popular and powerful as Pardee. Beathard had too much of the "good old boy" spirit in him to create a split with the coach, or so it appeared both to Pardee's assistants and to many who thought they knew both men well. It would not be the last time they would misread Beathard, whose low-key personality camouflages an instinct for the jugular.

Pardee and Beathard never were enemies. They rarely argued. But their approach to football led to an unavoidable clash. Pardee, the quiet easygoing pragmatist, was conservative, a loner by design, a keeper of his own counsel. Beathard, outgoing, bubbly and adventuresome by nature, was willing to take risks, more likely to talk things out.

Although Edward Bennett Williams considered the two equal in authority, Pardee felt he was in charge of the football operations, leaving Beathard to handle the draft and sign players. Beathard thought his role was much larger.

"When I started here," Pardee said, "things were exactly the way they needed to be for a coach to win. But they changed especially when Mr. Cooke moved to Virginia [in 1979].

"Mr. Cooke believes in a strong general manager. He likes to communicate through a general manager. That's not how this was set up before. I couldn't function the way it is now."

The problems between Beathard and Pardee began almost immediately. Although the Redskins were 8-8 that first season after winning their opening six games, friends say Beathard quickly became disenchanted with Pardee's coaching ability and with his tendency to hang on to over-the-hill veterans while releasing promising youngsters. By the time Pardee was fired, these friends say Beathard questioned the coach's ability to motivate players and provide consistent leadership.

Roster decisions became a special irritation. Beathard felt too many quality players were being cut by a coaching staff that either didn't have the patience to teach or the ability to recognize potential. Athletes such as punter George Roberts, now with Miami, tight end Gregg McCrary, now with San Diego, and receiver J. T. Smith, now with Kansas City, were waived, only to become contributors with their new teams.

Last summer's training camp widened the gap between the men. Pardee kept two aging defensive tackles, Diron Talbert and Paul Smith, while releasing Chris Godfrey, a free agent rookie Beathard thought was finished, and released rookie Kevin Turner.

Beathard knew the players he favored weren't going to make the Redskins a Super Bowl team, but he was convinced the decision to keep aging players symbolized a trend toward mediocrity.
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Caserio seems like the most qualified candidate.

Gaine seems like the most likely hire given his familiarity with the organization/OB. The Mcnairs and OB like their guys and that is Gaine more than anybody else.
 
infantrycak said:
Is that true? He's on the same page as BB. But the Pats & Texans don't run E-P the same way. You see a lot of small quick receivers on slants, drags & crossing routes for the Texans?

They've run base 4-3 for years now.
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So you're saying that a good GM and his scouting staff can only put together player personnel to fit one offensive scheme and one defensive scheme. I don't think so.
 
JamesBill said:
So your argument is they are looking at candidates who likely won't find another GM job if they pass them over?

My point was obviously that you only have on chance to fail, not you have to take whatever job offered.
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JamesBill said:
So your argument is they are looking at candidates who likely won't find another GM job if they pass them over?

My point was obviously that you only have on chance to fail, not you have to take whatever job offered.
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Yes, the basic premise is that there are 32 of these jobs in the world with no more than 4 to 6 available at any given time. More people will take the opportunity to at least interview when asked versus trying to wait out for the perfect spot or situation. congrats and good luck to those who bet on themselves.

Why is the Texans job any worse opportunity to fail than Browns or bills or some other team that has not even had the "success" the Texans have displayed? My belief is that it is not. If there all second and third tier candidates who get interviewed then we have something to discuss.

since you originally posted the Texans (McNair) has clarified he is searching for a full-time GM that reports directly to the ownership group. His hints indicate also that he is not waiting on rick smith's return in any capacity.
 
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