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Reggie Bush on 610 radio this afternoon
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TreWardTxn
Waterboy
chuckm said:
Let me take this a step further and add that McClain said from a distance Bush "looks like a receiver" and then something to the effect that, despite that or closer up, he looks sizeable (nothing small about him). NFL running backs don't look like receivers. The bench press for an NFL back means nothing as far as "carrying the load", it makes you less likely to get stripped, but your arms don't get tired running the ball, your legs do.
Frank_The_Tank
Waterboy
Did he seal his own fate??? Having a guy undercontract is a big deal to Kubiak! It's like I said before the guy is looking for some 30 million dollar bonus with a 60 million dollar over 5 years. To think a guy who has had so much smoke blown up his butt would take anything less is just hopefull thinking. If he is as good as you all feel then he could probably will get a contract like that from some team, I doubt it will be the Texans though. We could take him and have a long drawn out fight over his contract, we really do not need the guy to play this year so we could take him and make him ride the pine untill that bubble head of his starts to deflate. Thats what Chicago did with Cedric Benson. If the Texans are dead set on taking the guy like the media has decided that we are, if they don't want to drade down, and they feel that he is the only draft pick they want, then draft his butt, and go to war with his agent. After watching the season start without him he will come to his senses.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
BigDave350 said:
He made a point that he wanted to be in camp on time that this was important to him. When they asked about it more, you know being signed before the draft, he said that would be nice but that he wouldn't do it on a discount.
He made the impresssion that he would be signable.
SnakeOilTanker
Waterboy
when is he suppose to be on Charlie, or has it already happend
texplayer2
Waterboy
BigDave350 said:
Sounds like you want to watch a Drama, rather than football.
Mike Kerns
LYSB Podcast
Well, Porky, that's because VY would play for the Texans for free...
tulexan
Hall of Fame
He isn't going to holdout. Reggie's close friend and mentor is LaDainian Tomlinson who has been very outspoken since entering the league about holding out because he held out and has said that he regrets ever doing it. I would think that not holding out would be one of the major pieces of advice that he would give Reggie.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I can't believe those bastards didn't ask him what # he was considering for his jersey if 5 wasn't available, or if he had met any of the Texans players. They did a tour of the facilities maybe he ran into some players in the weight rooms. Damn those guys. I found it funny how Rich revealed how big of a mangina he's become for VY though. So what do you think of VY's prospect as an NFL player. WTF!!!?? I think Reggie showed class in answering that. If it had been me you would have heard the dial tone. The hell is wrong with those guys. Sometimes I feel like we should vote for one of the more knowleable board members to take Rich's place.
By the way did anyone catch the Palillo interview I read a few posts back that he would interview Bush as well. Any other tidbits.
By the way did anyone catch the Palillo interview I read a few posts back that he would interview Bush as well. Any other tidbits.
TexanFan881
All Pro
BradK10 said:
I'm sure Reggie was really excited to get asked about Vince. I'm sure he was thinking "o, he's an amazing player and I care so much about how he's going to do because he's going to impact my career very much"
LoneStarState
Waterboy
Rich Lord is pathetic. 
How can bench press mean nothing regarding "carrying the load?" It may not directly mean anything, but it does represent upper-body strength. Which in turn represents his ability to take a hit (or deliver them), and ability to hold on to the ball without having it stripped. Or do mean his number of carries?
If he bench pressed 250 instead of 400, I'm willing to bet his ability to run the ball 10-20 times per game diminishes greatly. What's your definition of "carrying the load?"
If he bench pressed 250 instead of 400, I'm willing to bet his ability to run the ball 10-20 times per game diminishes greatly. What's your definition of "carrying the load?"
Frank_The_Tank
Waterboy
Rovator said:
I do not hate Reggie, I just think that the hype on the guy is very far feched. He is a top ten guy for sure, but people on here fail to see he is a product of the media hype. If you are going to judge a players ability you do it by looking at what a player has done in his Career, and you look at a person as a physical specimine. Everyone is all on Reggies twigs and berry's but I just don't see it. I see a 5'10 200 pound running back. I see Running Backs in this draft that are much more proven with a 25 to 30 carry load, sure Reggie has a strong Bench but when in the heck is he going to break tackles with his chest. I look at the numbers and they show Warrick Dunn, and Tiki Barber, who are bulit like Bush, and they are injury prone. I see Reggie as a guy who is going to be a hold out, he can say he wont untill he is blue in the face but this guy has let it be known that he is not comming with a discount. We are looking at 30 mil bonus, 60 mil over 5 years, and I dont see the Texans paying that much for the guy. If we were not active in the free agency then maybe, but we do not need the guy that bad, we picked up the needed talent this off-season to play with out him. Plus who in there right mind is going to pay that kind of money to a guy who will be a 18 play a game guy. You can argue that he will play specail teams but you know that is a lie, he does not have Jerome Mathis Speed (Olympic Qualifier) and no one is going to Bench their Pro-Bowl Special Teamer for a rookie. We have a great running back In D. Davis, who most of you peole have just crapped on. He has year in year out carried this ballclub and he is A PROVEN RB, no questions asked, he has walked the walk. I have nothing against Reggie personaly, I have never sat down and had a conversation with the guy, If I were him I would want that 30 mil bonus as well. I base my remarks off of factual information, most of you people just type what you feel and hardly ever produce evedence. I don't have to make up crap as I go, I will show you the facts and make my arguments.
Texans86
Rookie
I hate quoting latge posts, b/c they take up so much space, but this is in reply to BigDave.
You have many questions about Reggie Bush and many valid concerns about his size and durability. You brought up a valid point that he probably won't be breaking many tackles with his chest, which is why I sometimes wish leg press was also used in the scouting process. You had two points that actually ran together, but were on opposite ends of the paragraph. You stated that there are backs that can carry a load, and that DD is a very capable back. Both are very true, however, when put together you realize that he doesn't have to carry the load permanantly. He and DD will shift in and out and also be on the field at the same time in many situations, I'm sure. Many teams are beginning to realize that to have a successful running game, you need two sets of legs that can be mixed in and out, and also that that formula produces some of the best results. The Denver comparison is not only true b/c of Kubiak ran that offense, but I think they had two electric runners. The guy has talent. and unlike many people keep saying, he is built so he shouldn't break easily. He's 200 lbs., which may not seem big, but he is ripped. Will he be the back to pound the ball between the tackles for 25-30 times a game, absolutely not. But he never claimed he could. Can he do it every once in a while, ablsolutely. Besides, we still have DD, and he is great at breaking those inside tackles and getting the extra couple of yards. He isn't big either, but he knows how to churn his legs. We'll see, if Reggie doesn't know how to keep is legs moving like DD, he might learn something and become even better. Scary thought.
You have many questions about Reggie Bush and many valid concerns about his size and durability. You brought up a valid point that he probably won't be breaking many tackles with his chest, which is why I sometimes wish leg press was also used in the scouting process. You had two points that actually ran together, but were on opposite ends of the paragraph. You stated that there are backs that can carry a load, and that DD is a very capable back. Both are very true, however, when put together you realize that he doesn't have to carry the load permanantly. He and DD will shift in and out and also be on the field at the same time in many situations, I'm sure. Many teams are beginning to realize that to have a successful running game, you need two sets of legs that can be mixed in and out, and also that that formula produces some of the best results. The Denver comparison is not only true b/c of Kubiak ran that offense, but I think they had two electric runners. The guy has talent. and unlike many people keep saying, he is built so he shouldn't break easily. He's 200 lbs., which may not seem big, but he is ripped. Will he be the back to pound the ball between the tackles for 25-30 times a game, absolutely not. But he never claimed he could. Can he do it every once in a while, ablsolutely. Besides, we still have DD, and he is great at breaking those inside tackles and getting the extra couple of yards. He isn't big either, but he knows how to churn his legs. We'll see, if Reggie doesn't know how to keep is legs moving like DD, he might learn something and become even better. Scary thought.
Texans_Chick said:
Hopefully he'll take a page out of Dre's book and think it is important to be in camp and realize that a lot of money is a lot of money. Dre's uncle/agent said (paraphrased) $37M is a lot of money - why risk the start of your career by holding out for a relatively little more?
I am pulling that $37M number from memory but it is in the ballpark, and yes - I realize Bush will command more.
BigDave350 said:
I have no idea where you picked up the idea that RB will be hard to sign. If anything, I think the opposite will happen. Bush has been nothing but a class act ever since he's been on the field. He is intelligent, well spoken, and genuinely the most likeable person I've ever seen coming into the draft. People just love this guy, and I haven't hear one single account of him misrepresenting himself or ever saying anything that might damage his character. Plus, he's going to get endorsements through the roof. This guy is respectful, humble, and will be in training camp from day 1. For someone who thinks RB is just a bunch of media hype, it seems you are buying the media hype by assuming RB will want a gazillion dollar deal because he's so highly reguarded by the press.
And as far as facts are concerned, it is "fact" that he is generally reguarded as the best player in the 2006 draft by people who do this stuff for a living. And for facts, you are assuming a whole lot about RB. While being a small back is a concern, he hasn't show himself to be any more injury prone than other small players like Faulk, Westbrook, and Tiki. Plus, I don't think he's even shown that he can't run hard in-between the tackles. Emmit Smith can't push the pile, but he ends up on the other side of it some way or another. While we have "concerns", a lot of this stuff has been totally unproven. And as far as just being a 6-1 200 pound back, I highly doubt ANY NFL back could put up numbers that this guy can. Add in his 40 time, verticle, bench, and this guy is just a genetic freak. If you want to go by "facts", look at his pro-day numbers and what he did at USC and some game tape.
Frank_The_Tank
Waterboy
Phan1 look up how much Ronnie Brown got last year and the truth will smack you in the face. I posted the number on another thread, over 20 mill, and proved my point about the huge contract he will be asking for, but hey if you say it will not be that much you just keep on beleiving it.
BigDave350 said:
I think he will likely be asking for a lot of money. And I also think the Texans are going to want to pay him what he's worth as a #1 pick. Either way, I'm saying that he's a class act, and I do not expect him to hold out. I expect a lot of professionalism between RB and our organization and a deal to be done promptly and swiftly. They probably verbally agreed on a deal already for all we know. You make it sould like signing RB will be like pulling teeth and that he will singlehandedly put us in cap hell while holding out until game 1 starts. Odds are, that's not likely to happen.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
About Reggie Bush will he be demanding more money that Alex Smith since alex was the 1st pick would it not matter that smith is a QB very interesting if we have to pay Reggie like the top QB drafted last year. from my understanding its ussually a 10% percent increase but would it be different since reggie is only a RB.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure if QBs should be paid more coming off of the draft. I mean C'mon! They're likely to be benched or have limited playing time their rookie season, and it's likely that they won't live up to their paycheck, even if they do become a solid starter. Talk about being overpaid.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
BigDave350 said:
Actually, you won't see a 1st round RB taken with more than 25.75 carries per game.
Reggie Bush 15.5
DeAngelo Williams 25.75
LenDale White 15--oh my god, guess he can't run 25+ times since he hasn't done it.
Laurence Maroney 23.5
But wait let's look at the NFL league leaders for attempts per game:
Edge 24
Shaun Alexancer 23
Tiki 22
Portis 22
LT 21
But hey, keep the streak alive in not letting facts get in your way.
Mike Kerns
LYSB Podcast
Excellent
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
infantrycak said:
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: Why is it that childish things sometimes feel so good?
Edit 2: Trivia Time with Hoth-Boy
How much did Tomlison (sp?) weigh coming out of TCU?
Bamaborn-Texasbred
Rookie
You can tell by my username how I used to feel about this year's pick.
I have flip-flopped. Unless the Texans get some team to give them a rediculously loaded deal for the pick, I say take Bush. He looks like the real thing to me, on and off the field.
I have flip-flopped. Unless the Texans get some team to give them a rediculously loaded deal for the pick, I say take Bush. He looks like the real thing to me, on and off the field.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
KSig44 said:
He was listed at 220, but I've talked to several people who said he played much closer to 200. But to his credit he hit the combine at 220.
Damn last time I post something without solid back-up. Point conceeded, but I still say draft Reggie.
Move along, nothing to see here. Move along.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
tulexan said:
Not disputing your facts, just curious. how many carries did caddilac Williams get last year per game? It seemed like gruden was riding him pretty hard.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Over the entire season, he averaged 20.71 carries/game (290 carries 14 games)
Over the first 3 games of the season he averaged 29.33 carries per game (88 carries). Not surprisingly, he was injured the next 3 weeks and the next time he had 20 or more carries in a game was almost 2 months later.
Over the first 3 games of the season he averaged 29.33 carries per game (88 carries). Not surprisingly, he was injured the next 3 weeks and the next time he had 20 or more carries in a game was almost 2 months later.
TexanFan881
All Pro
swtbound07 said:
About 21 and a half. He had 37 carries in just his third start
but was probably pushed to far and got hurt but he got hurt the 4th or 5th game. Then the load for him was lightened after that and he didn't get hurt for the rest of the year 
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
tulexan said:
Thanks...i thought i remembered those first few games as being a bit obscene. Gruden really drove him too hard.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
I think if Gruden could do it over again, he would have rested Cadillac a little more at the beginning of the season. I don't care how big a player is, nobody can carry the ball that much every week and stay fresh.
Another interesting statistic is that when Marshall Faulk won the league MVP award in 2000, he averaged 18.07 carries/game and 5.73 catches/game. I don't think that these are unreasonable amounts of carries and catches for Reggie, especially considering how he will be used in our offense.
I guess that shows that you don't have to be a 25+ carry/game back to be effective or valuable to a team.
Another interesting statistic is that when Marshall Faulk won the league MVP award in 2000, he averaged 18.07 carries/game and 5.73 catches/game. I don't think that these are unreasonable amounts of carries and catches for Reggie, especially considering how he will be used in our offense.
I guess that shows that you don't have to be a 25+ carry/game back to be effective or valuable to a team.
The only guy I know who can truly be a 25-30 carries a game back and push the pile every time was Ricky Williams (before he had his little off-season). The Dolphins absolutely ran this guy into the ground. He had a pretty bad Oline in front of him too! I think he has an NFL record of 42 carries in a game. If my team still couldn't win a game after I had just put up 200+ rushing yards, I'd want to go get stoned out of my mind in India too!
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
phan1 said:
Ricky was a hoss. But his example should point away from the 30 carry a game image. Fact is he never averaged 25 carries a game. In his closest year he ended up averaging 24.5 carries per game and his ypa fell to 3.5. They ran him 76 times in games 2 and 3 including his 42 carry game and then it took him eight weeks to get over 4 ypc. The week after his 42 carry game he averaged 1.8 ypc. JMO but the RB wearing down the D theory is silly. The OL wears down the D and let's a not too worn out RB scamper, not the other way around.