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Reggie Bush (Best RB of the ESPN Era)?

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There is a poll on ESPN for best RB of the ESPN era and the choices are:

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Barry Sanders AND...
Reggie Bush

That's sick joke, right. What about Eric Dickerson or Rick Williams? Rick Williams broke the all-time college rushing record and had more yards and touchdowns in his JR and SR seasons than RB had.

Are they serious? Reggie Bush one of the top 4 RBs in college football over the last 25 years? Are you freaking kidding me? This guy is nowhere near Mr. Dickerson, Rick Williams or Bo freaking Jackson. In fact, I'm not sure he was the best RB on his team at USC. :yahoo:

There's a reason he was not in the pivotal offensive play for USC in their biggest game last season. That is inexcusable, and really shouldn't matter that White was on his team also. It's just ridiculous to put Bush's career in the same stratosphere as Walker, Jackson, and Sanders. Those people at ESPN are on crack!

Bush is getting blown up very similar to Tond mandarich did. A pretty good player being hyped as the best player of his generation, (what a joke)and he's not even close. What's next from those clowns at ESPN, that the Bush USC football team is the greatest in college football history! Oh, I'm sorry, they tried that act once, then they ran into somebody name Vince Young.
Way to go ESPN.
 
he lead the country in total yards and won a heisman and was a finalist for another and has a national championship. what's the problem here? oh, you're a longhorn homer.
 
kastofsna said:
he lead the country in total yards and won a heisman and was a finalist for another and has a national championship. what's the problem here? oh, you're a longhorn homer.
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Yeah basically that's it. You read the posting history and do the math and that's pretty much what you have to conclude.

It's getting late and the draft is fast approaching. Vince isn't in the Texans plans anymore and that's got to be clear to even the die hards at this point. That's why you get a new thread based on a stupid poll that ESPN put up.

Was it a dumb poll with too few choices?

Yeah it was.

Does Reggie Bush belong on that list of possible choices if that list included everyone who should be in the running for that label (probably 10-15 players could make cases for that)?

Yeah he does.

You only get the real outrage in the post because he's going to be the Texans first pick and Vince is going to go play in Oakland.
 
al davis doesn't want a QB and he likes cutler more anyway. that being said...........

i'm going to have to say hershel walker is the best in the ESPN era. the team was 10 times better with him and won a national championship. i'd put bush 2nd.
 
ESPN just plain sucks.

Marshal Faulk was insane as a player in college. Reggie Bush is the first guy the media ADDED his punt returns, Kick off return yards along with carries and catches.
 
Hervoyel said:
...Was it a dumb poll with too few choices?

Yeah it was.

Does Reggie Bush belong on that list of possible choices if that list included everyone who should be in the running for that label (probably 10-15 players could make cases for that)?

Yeah he does.

You only get the real outrage in the post because he's going to be the Texans first pick and Vince is going to go play in Oakland.
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Yeah you do.
 
kastofsna said:
he lead the country in total yards and won a heisman and was a finalist for another and has a national championship. what's the problem here? oh, you're a longhorn homer.
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Are you a USC homer?
 
yikes. :um:

Our team is most likely going to pick Reggie Bush (as far as the general outside consensus), so fans reading up on the player and having information on one of our potential top picks seems to be a normal thing. Actually educated, really.

If anyone is a homer it should be Texans fans, because whoever they pick is probably going to be one talented player. Why not just be happy with who we get? Especially because all of us are completely powerless to influence the process anyway.

I'm freakin' excited about upgrading our team. Our no. 1 pick will be immediately cheered and welcomed by this Texans fan.
 
As a running back Reggie Bush didn't perform better than Adrian Peterson during the 2004 season (tag that as a "Longhorn homer" argument), so I don't see how you could possibly rank him as one of the best college running backs unless you're talking about the last 5 years.

He is dynamic, perhaps the best catching or one of the fastest running backs of the ESPN era, but I don't see how he could possibly make a top four list. Other reasons, such as prominence of players around him, and lack of carries have to eliminate him from contention...
 
Bush is not even ranked in the top ten in all time rushing but guess who is, DeAngelo Williams! I still do not understand why everyone is all over Reggie Bush, he is not the best athlete in this draft (my opinion), he is not even the top running back in this draft (NCAA Opinion). I know that you Bush fans are going to be screaming about this post but I am just showing the all time rushers, please do not attack me, you guys run in packs on this message board.

1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397

2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279

3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082

4.Charles White, USC / 5,598

5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596

6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540

7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263

8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259

9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177

10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145
 
kastofsna said:
he lead the country in total yards and won a heisman and was a finalist for another and has a national championship. what's the problem here? oh, you're a longhorn homer.
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Longhorn homer my ***. Would you take Reggie Bush over Eric Dickerson or Bo Jackson if you have the number one pick? Simple question.
 
bkimble said:
Longhorn homer my ***. Would you take Reggie Bush over Eric Dickerson or Bo Jackson if you have the number one pick? Simple question.
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what's what have to do with it? it's about what they did in college, not their NFL potential. if anything ron dayne should be on here over either one of them.
 
too put RB in the class with with those guys is a bit questionable, but he is the flavor of the draft, next year it will be someone else maybe Brady Quinn, AP, maybe the next year when West Virginia's John Slaton comes out he will get the same hype since he is the same type of scat back.

It makes me laugh to see RB in a list with Barry Sanders- quite possibly the best RB of all time but I will say second or third to Sweetness and Jim Brown. Also look up Barry Sanders stats at OKST, the guy was a stud. RB produced for two years that is all and the first real year of production he was not much of a HB. I think he will do wonders for our team if he is the pick and we can quickly start winning with the extra offensive weapons, but comparing Reggie Bush who has not even put up the best stats in a season to a guy like Barry Sanders or for that matter Bo Jackson who if he would have had any longevity would have been in the top 3 all time. Bo was Larry Johnson with LT's speed.

Freakin hilarious...
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Bush is not even ranked in the top ten in all time rushing but guess who is, DeAngelo Williams! I still do not understand why everyone is all over Reggie Bush, he is not the best athlete in this draft (my opinion), he is not even the top running back in this draft (NCAA Opinion). I know that you Bush fans are going to be screaming about this post but I am just showing the all time rushers, please do not attack me, you guys run in packs on this message board.

1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397

2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279

3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082

4.Charles White, USC / 5,598

5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596

6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540

7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263

8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259

9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177

10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145
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That's a worthless argument. I may be wrong, but every one of the players on that list played through their senior season. None of them left early as Bush did.

Furthermore, if Bush isn't the best athlete in the draft he is definitely top 5. Who is a better athlete, DeAngelo Williams? LenDale White? Please! Bush has two years of anklebreaking, eyepopping highlights that a lot of backs wish they had in their entire respective careers. He has proven he is one of the best athletes in the draft time and again, and his measurables back that up. How many other people in the draft ran a sub 4.35 40, benched 25 reps, verted 40.5", and ran a workout as smoothly as he did? The only guys I can think of that even compare are Vernon Davis, Brodrick Bunkley, Mario Williams maybe Chad Jackson, Michael Huff, and D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

You can make the argument that he may not fit in Houston, or that there is a better pick, but to try to bash his obvious physical gifts is pathetic.

Don't feel attacked, I am not a Reggie Bush homer. I am not even saying "take him/don't take him" in this post. This is just to say that we can discuss players and picks without downgrading what they can really do.
 
O.K. calling out the top ten Running Back’s in the history of the NCAA is a worthless comment. Look at some point you Bush guys have to get over the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Saying a guy is the greatest Running Back to ever come out when he does not even fall in the top ten all time in rushing, based on his pro day is not a very strong base for an argument. There have been many people have awesome pro-day/combine workout who are not considered top ten. Justin Fargas, USC Running Back, put up identical numbers at his pro-day and he is not, he is also a flop in the NFL. Bush did not post the numbers on the field, and on that base alone he will never be considered a top ten or even a top 20. DeAngelo Williams had just as many Ankle Breaking moves as Bush, in fact there are many running backs in the last 20 years who have had just as good of highlite reels. DeAngleo Williams post a TD at 80 yards for his longest of his career, Bush is at 76. Vince Young had more Ankle Breaking moves than Bush and you guys hate him with a passion. In fact your hate for him has become borderline psychotic. I was not Bashing Bush anyways, I just said he is no where near the best Running Back to come out in the last 20 years in my opinion, heck he does not even break the top ten in History.
 
Bo Jackson .. hands down.. ran with speed and power

classic Bo... ran over "The Boz"

and during the week hit 400 foot homers :challenge
 
bkimble said:
Longhorn homer my ***. Would you take Reggie Bush over Eric Dickerson or Bo Jackson if you have the number one pick? Simple question.
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Yes, a simple question but before you get to answer it you have to go get everything Eric Dickerson or Bo Jackson did in the NFL wiped from your memory. Only then would it be a completely fair question.
 
Wait.. are you telling me that who was the best RB ever and the list mentions Barry Sanders and you all are telling me he aint considered number 1 by people standards here.. am I reading this right?
 
kastofsna said:
lol @ young having more "ankle-breaking moves" than bush. hysterical.
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Vince Young owned, owns, and always will own Reggie Bush.

Ron Dayne, Rashaan Salaam, Reggie Bush, all Heisman winners. Like his predecessors, Bush will have a so-so NFL career. And if the Houston Texans want to have a championship winning team, Bush will not be on the roster.

To consider Bush's position among NFL RB greats after seeing him get stuffed in the Rose Bowl is ludicrous. You don't have to look to history to evaluate Bush. He's a nice enough kid, but, as someone's already suggested, Bush can't carry Adrian Peterson's jockstrap.

The Texans have to ignore all the Texas haters, all the ESPN clowns who were made to look like fools by Vince Young's Rose Bowl performance (his second MVP, though you probably don't want to be reminded), and all those who want draft day revenge against Vince Young because their two bogus Heismanners from USC were shown what real talent and leadership looks like.

We do agree on one thing, though, to compare little Reggie Bush to a once-in-lifetime superstar like Houston's own Vince Young is laughable. The Houston Texans want to win. Their fans want the Texans to win. That's why the Texans will draft Vince Young.
 
young isn't a top 10 pick anymore. based on some of the things i've heard about him the past few days, i'm surprised he's not a 2nd rounder. he's stupid, he's made horrible decisions in the offseason, he has a ridiculous "agent" representing him...he agreed to host TNT's all-star event before even even thinking about hiring a quarterback advisor (at least he got paid), etc. there is a ZERO percent chance he is drafted anywhere ahead of detroit.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Bush is not even ranked in the top ten in all time rushing but guess who is, DeAngelo Williams! I still do not understand why everyone is all over Reggie Bush, he is not the best athlete in this draft (my opinion), he is not even the top running back in this draft (NCAA Opinion). I know that you Bush fans are going to be screaming about this post but I am just showing the all time rushers, please do not attack me, you guys run in packs on this message board.

1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397

2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279

3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082

4.Charles White, USC / 5,598

5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596

6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540

7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263

8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259

9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177

10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145
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haha i totally forgot how insane ron dyane (that rhymes) was at wisconsin. isnt archie griffin one or the only one to win the heisman 2 years in a row? id also have to say ricky williams must have been pretty good for mike ditka to do that trade (and for Philly to boo mcnabb lol).
 
All those RBs on that lists are grinders. Archie Griffin and Tony Dorsett are the closest type of backs to RB and yeah for the first two years of Bush's career he was little more than an offensive specialist. His freshman year he was a return man and the next he received most of his hype as a return man and a guy very similar to Teddy Ginn except only played offense. Now Bush guys dont get me wrong the kid is big time, but over three years he has not really produced huge numbers as a RB. That is why I consider him an offensive specialist and damn it we could use him.

Still the thought of mentioning him as one of the great college RBs is just crazy. Also Deangelo Williams is probably the best pure RB in this draft, and hopefully he just does not go to the Colts because that is 8yrs of hard defense we have to play.
 
If you're only going off collegiate accomplishments (and you'd have to since Bush has yet to play a down in the NFL), then you'd be nuts to put anybody above Barry Sanders of Oklahoma State.

As good of an all-around player Bush is, his 222 all-purpose yards per game this past year would still be 17 yards fewer than what Barry averaged per game rushing!

Factor in the differences between supporting casts (GIANORMOUS edge to Bush) and the level of defensive talent they faced (Old Big 8 vs the PAC-10?) and it makes the argument even more ridiculous.

But when you look at the criteria, "Best RB in the ESPN era", he easily belongs among the best. I'd have him 5th.

Barry Sanders
Herschel Walker
Ricky Williams
Bo Jackson
Reggie Bush
 
kastofsna said:
young isn't a top 10 pick anymore. based on some of the things i've heard about him the past few days, i'm surprised he's not a 2nd rounder. he's stupid, he's made horrible decisions in the offseason, he has a ridiculous "agent" representing him...he agreed to host TNT's all-star event before even even thinking about hiring a quarterback advisor (at least he got paid), etc. there is a ZERO percent chance he is drafted anywhere ahead of detroit.
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what a foolish thing to say. Vince Young goes in the top 10 EVERY TIME...i bet 100 bucks he does. You not liking him doesnt make him a 2nd rounder.
 
it's not my opinion that'll drop out out of the top 8. it's a fact. i can basically guarantee it (a team could always trade up).
 
kastofsna said:
it's not my opinion that'll drop out out of the top 8. it's a fact. i can basically guarantee it (a team could always trade up).
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A fact when the draft hasnt actualy happened yet? I've never seen him go lower than 7 in a mock draft...and i still feel he will go to houston, either at #1 or when they trade back with the jets to 4....out of the top 10...crazy. IF you can guarantee it, want to put your money where your mouth is?
 
kastofsna said:
it's not my opinion that'll drop out out of the top 8. it's a fact. i can basically guarantee it (a team could always trade up).
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I don't think "fact" and "opinion" mean what you think they mean.
 
swtbound07 said:
A fact when the draft hasnt actualy happened yet? I've never seen him go lower than 7 in a mock draft...and i still feel he will go to houston, either at #1 or when they trade back with the jets to 4....out of the top 10...crazy. IF you can guarantee it, want to put your money where your mouth is?
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you're really delusional to think young's stock is anywhere near the #1 overall pick. he's had a disastrous offseason. pretty much everything that's gone wrong has been his fault. now certain people are comparing him to something like ryan leaf; stuck in his own little world who will face reality and cause his bubble to pop. not my words.

i won't bet money with a stranger over the internet, but if you can think of something else, absolutely. the HIGHEST he will go (barring a trade up) is #9 to detroit. i'd say #10, but millen is pretty unpredictable come draft day.
 
kastofsna said:
you're really delusional to think young's stock is anywhere near the #1 overall pick. he's had a disastrous offseason. pretty much everything that's gone wrong has been his fault. now certain people are comparing him to something like ryan leaf; stuck in his own little world who will face reality and cause his bubble to pop. not my words.

i won't bet money with a stranger over the internet, but if you can think of something else, absolutely. the HIGHEST he will go (barring a trade up) is #9 to detroit. i'd say #10, but millen is pretty unpredictable come draft day.
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No money...just respect. Just come back on this board and admit you were wrong....start a new thread. If you happen to be right, i'll do the same. Agreed?
 
swtbound07 said:
No money...just respect. Just come back on this board and admit you were wrong....start a new thread. If you happen to be right, i'll do the same. Agreed?
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maybe a sig/avatar bet could be in store as well.
 
kastofsna said:
maybe a sig/avatar bet could be in store as well.
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You can have the rest of the space on my sig...i still gotta pimp my blog.....Avatar, sure. We can do both of those..
 
i guess we never made a final bet. oh well, i guess i lost it. although of course, i did have him going #3 in my final mock, but a bet's a bet. ;)
 
Great pick on Young going #3.

'Course, with the NFL Network announcing that the Titans were going to take Young the night before the draft, it's not much of a revelation. Or was it just a goofy coincindence that of the 5 players invited to New York for the draft, Young was the only one to walk on stage and accept a jersey with his number (#10) instead of the #1 jerseys the other players received?
 
kastofsna said:
i guess we never made a final bet. oh well, i guess i lost it. although of course, i did have him going #3 in my final mock, but a bet's a bet. ;)[/QUOTE

Didn't you say he had ZERO percent of going in the top 10? I thought you said it was a fact and not just an opinion?
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ToroFan said:
Didn't you say he had ZERO percent of going in the top 10? I thought you said it was a fact and not just an opinion?
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Everyone defines themselves here with their contributions, consistency and insight as we look back and see who said what over time. I won't say what I'm thinking. :)


ps ESPN also said USC was the greatest football team of all time too....so much for that.
 
Wouldn't it be fun to have them go through the same list of matchups with the 2005 Longhorns they did with the 2005 Condoms?
 
Huge said:
Great pick on Young going #3.

'Course, with the NFL Network announcing that the Titans were going to take Young the night before the draft, it's not much of a revelation. Or was it just a goofy coincindence that of the 5 players invited to New York for the draft, Young was the only one to walk on stage and accept a jersey with his number (#10) instead of the #1 jerseys the other players received?
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I was trying to think of who was the last pick that ever had their playing number on the draft day uni, Michael Vick came to mind but I couldn't remember. I wonder if the Titans bothered to have a Leinart Jersey made as well, somebody should dig that up. Anyway, falling to Arizona will be the best thing that could have ever happened to him...
 
Huge said:
Great pick on Young going #3.

'Course, with the NFL Network announcing that the Titans were going to take Young the night before the draft, it's not much of a revelation. Or was it just a goofy coincindence that of the 5 players invited to New York for the draft, Young was the only one to walk on stage and accept a jersey with his number (#10) instead of the #1 jerseys the other players received?
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i did the bud adams math and realized young was the pick. and i figured any team dumb enough to take pacman over antrel rolle or carlos rogers is plenty dumb to take young over leinart or cutler.
 
kastofsna said:
i did the bud adams math and realized young was the pick. and i figured any team dumb enough to take pacman over antrel rolle or carlos rogers is plenty dumb to take young over leinart or cutler.
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I'll be photoshopping you up a new avatar, give me a bit, but as for the signature line....

"I predict things like miss cleo....wrong and often"
 
And here is your new avatar

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Enjoy
 
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