ClintonPortis26
Noob
LCROD said:
That only proves even more I know nothin about college football.
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That only proves even more I know nothin about college football.
Take the talent, adjust if necessary. It's not like Bush can't get his touches plus run routes in the slot. DD is a servicable back. Since when is serviceable enough to avoid taking the top player in the game?
If you seek to build a team that is average at every position then you end up with an average team.
There is a role for Bush on this team and beyond that, you have a coaching staff that can make use of his talents. You also have a coaching staff that knows how to put together an O-line and a front office that is in the process of bringing in the talent to make it work.
I'm tempted to stop reading this forum now and then come back in September and see if everyone thinks drafting Bush was a bad idea.
If you seek to build a team that is average at every position then you end up with an average team.
There is a role for Bush on this team and beyond that, you have a coaching staff that can make use of his talents. You also have a coaching staff that knows how to put together an O-line and a front office that is in the process of bringing in the talent to make it work.
I'm tempted to stop reading this forum now and then come back in September and see if everyone thinks drafting Bush was a bad idea.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
el toro said:
I still will.....put me on the list early and often....reggie wont be successful in the nfl.
ClintonPortis26
Noob
swtbound07 said:
I think he busts only if he goes to these places...
Oakland
New Orleans
San Fransisco
San Diego
Otherwise if he does bust or disapoints. He can be a kick/punt returner or move to Wide Reciever. Or play both and catch lets say 30 Balls for 408 Yards, 3 Touchdowns.
Then on Kick Returns have like a 26.2 AVG and 1 Touchdown here and there and Punt Returns have like 9.0 AVG and 1 Touchdown each season.
And by the way does Reggie Bush have Asthma or heart related problems becuase only being able to "touch" the ball maybe 16-20 times a game is pretty soft.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
ClintonPortis26 said:
why do you think he would bust if he came to Houston?
ClintonPortis26
Noob
dat_boy_yec said:
Wasnt thinking... Thought Domanick Davis was able to play a whole season there(its late where i live lol). My bad. But I thought then wasnt a huge need for him considering the HB Position is average and the kick/punt returner is a pro bowler.
F-minus67
Veteran
Why are people freaking about the fact that an o linemen will not be drafted early? The thing about the denver zone scheme is that you don't need to draft high round talent. It uses linemen who fit the system. You don't have to have elite talent, since what they try to do is get as many defenders on the ground as possible. Thats why they cut and people call them dirty.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Reggie is perfectly healthy. People say that he can't carry the ball 20 times per game because in college he split carries with LenDale White and they believe that he is too small. Of course when you bring up that Tiki Barber is nearly identical in height and weight and was 2nd in the league in rushing this year they have no response.
The fact is that when Reggie has carried the ball over 20 times, he has had over 240 yards rushing 2 out of 3 times.
The fact is that when Reggie has carried the ball over 20 times, he has had over 240 yards rushing 2 out of 3 times.
ClintonPortis26
Noob
tulexan said:
You know before I started this thread I was againts the Texans taking Reggie Bush thinking he would Bust for you guys. But now that you guys have pointed out good facts it seems that I know think Reggie Bush would be a nice pick for yall.
Though Im not perfectly comfortable yet
Hottoddie
Veteran
Koolbrz said:
I'm sorry, but you must be confused. This thread is about Reggie Bush, not Lendale White. What you're describing is White's abilities. Reggie is too light to go up the middle, or even between the guard & tackle. As the entire world saw, when USC needed the tough ground control yards when the Championship game was on the line, Bush was a spectator on the sidelines.
In my opinion, you don't use the #1 overall pick on a player that's not on the field when the game is on the line, & has a penchant for doing stupid acrobatic stunts going into the endzone, that'll get him killed in the NFL. And one last thing, keep in mind that Bush only had one good year out of 3 in college.
But, if the Texans decide that he's their man, I'll support him anyway.
tulexan said:
5'10" @ 200lbs, isn't the same as 6'0" 200lbs. IF Reggie is actually 5'10" @ 200lbs, it isn't a problem. The taller he is, the more he needs to weigh.
They look very similar to me. So I would think Reggie is closer to 5'10", 5' 11"
DRAMA
Rookie
Hottoddie said:
Seriously? WOW! The whole Bush weight thing? Silly. Blaming Bush for Pete Carroll's idiocy? Silly! Thinking that if Reggie Bush was from my fingernail to my knuckle taller and was holding a 5lb dumbell then he'd a 'perfect' size is SILLY!
If you want Vince - be proud of it. Saying you wouldn't take Marshall Faulk in the top 6?
Ridiculous!
Mightymike
Waterboy
ClintonPortis26 said:
are you crazy? he came off the best performance in NCAA football history and you think he should have gone back to school.
ClintonPortis26 said:
Here is exactly why we pick up Reggie Bush with no questions asked:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GUx9ix-CxbM&search=Reggie Bush
Mailman04 said:
Mailman04. It is a distinct possibility. Our new coaching staff is going to come in and re-evalute talent and will play the guys that are the best fit in the system they will be running. Its impossible for us fans to say if our past coaching staff did a bad job with Weary.. but judging by their track record, id say its a 50/50 chance.
So, yah.. id say it is entirely possible that Weary could be an option at right guard. Course..its also a possibility that our old coaching staff was dumb to even keep him on the roster and he will either ride the pine or get cut before TC is over. Time will tell.
Hottoddie
Veteran
DRAMA said:
First off, I'm not a Vince Young only fan. I'd rather we take D'Brick, or trade down & pick up more picks. Young does intrigue me, but so does Carr behind an improved offensive line.
I believe that Carr will do just fine & that Young will not have any more of an immediate impact on this team than Bush will. Both Carr & DD are more than adequate & should be able to step up their games a notch, or two, with an improved OL.
The only knock on DD is that he doesn't have break away speed & he's missed a couple of games with injuries. However, DD has proven he can go up the middle & rip off a 20 yard gain. Given an improved OL, he might rip 20 yard gains with more regularity.
In my opinion, Young is at least 2 years away from being a starter in the NFL. Do you want to put some odds on the fans being willing to wait another 2 years?
I believe that D'Brick would be an immediate contributor, whether it's at LT, or RT while he learns.
Mario Williams would have an immediate impact on our defense, as would Huff & Hawk.
However, the one player that I believe is the most intriguing & would have the biggest impact of them all, is Vernon Davis switching to WR. I just can't get that thought out of my mind. It would still require us to upgrade the OL, but I'd be more than willing to take a LT in the 2nd round in this scenario. With an improved OL, Carr would have a field day throwing to AJ, VD, DD, Mathis & Putz. Add to that, Carr's scrambling abilities, & you have the makings of a very potent offense.
Putting Bush, or Young, in that equation, doesn't significantly improve the team, in my opinion.
Grid said:
I'd go so far as to say that Weary can challenge for either guard spot. None of our lineman have shown over the previous seasons that they are untouchable at their positions. I look for a training camp with true competition and line-up decisions being made on a performance basis.
I know it is "common knowledge" that Pitts and McKinney are set at LT and LG, but it was "common knowledge" the Hodgdon was set at center a few days ago. Things change.
ClintonPortis26
Noob
Mightymike said:
Yea he still has questions and trust me, Im sure there are alot of Qb's that came out their junior season and wish they came back.
To the guy who asked about Jason Campbell. He'll Start in the 2007-2008 season. He does have alot of potiential though he has good hieght,pounds,stronge arm, nice accuracy, and scrambles well. Plus the only time hes stepped on the field he threw a 30+ Yard Touchdown.
I expect him to take over the chunky noodle soup commericials cuase his last name is Campbell you know?
johnny_tlmn said:Look people I know ya'll all for Bush and Ferguson and whoever else but i tell u now that I played against Vince when he was at Madison High now I know we gave Carr an extension plus signed ol' dude from the Dolphins, I'll put it like this Young will be a Texan come draft day and Young will be the startin' QB in the FUTURE. We'll draft him and let Carr get his chance and everything but come 1-2 yrs hell its the Young era baby.
Hottoddie said:
One of the main reasons (other than his game) to take Bush is that he will have an immediate impact. You don't have to wait to put him on the field. You will with Young. It's hard to pretend otherwise.
If you take Young, that leads to a longer turnaround. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to wait for someone who could be good 3 years from now.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Bush will be a part time RB, but a full time offensive player.
Also, the "Vince/Reggie will be amazing because he was amazing in HS" arguments are pretty weak. All great college players were amazing in HS. If they weren't, they wouldn't have been highly recruited to the best programs.
Also, the "Vince/Reggie will be amazing because he was amazing in HS" arguments are pretty weak. All great college players were amazing in HS. If they weren't, they wouldn't have been highly recruited to the best programs.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
Hottoddie said:
Obviously the o-line helps him get some yardage, but once he gets to the second level it's all on him. He is the one who would have to step it up a notch like you said. DD is a good back, but as has been said he is caught from behind with ease. It is not the secondary that usually has to catch up to him but a linebacker. I like DD and think he will be a great compliment to a burner be it Bush or somebody else, but DD is not that burner.
Hottoddie said:
As much as I try to warm up to D'brick I can't see him being an immediate contributer, athletically speaking he is not a rare specimen. So I can't see him just coming in here and beating Wand and Pitts outright before TC is over. By the end of the season yeah he might get some time at the RT spot, but that is far from being an immediate contributer.
Williams, yeah I can agree with that. Weaver, Smith, Johnson, and Williams would be a monstrous line-up. Huff and Hawk may have an immediate impact, but they will have to mature a while before we really see what they are capable of in the NFL. However we have a logjam at Hawk's position so I don't see him even considered to come here.
Hottoddie said:
Yeah, I agree let's let his blocking talents go to waste. God forbid we let him play at a position he wants to play at. Converting players to different positions has not worked well for us in the past and though it's easy to imagine Davis succeeding as a WR it doesn't mean that is the better than Bush playing at WR. Carr would have a field day throwing to whoever was open. Regardless of who we get. However would you take Davis with the #1 pick. Considering you wouldn't take Faulk with the first six I would think your answer would be no.
Hottoddie said:
Why not Bush. He's versatile, fast, and strong, brings and brings an immediate impact why wouldn't he improve the team significantly.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
el toro said:
if you want us to keep david carr, yes you do.
ClintonPortis26
Noob
swtbound07 said:
Funny how alot fo Texans fans think David Carr sucks but everybody else and i mean everybody else thinks David Carr can be a good Quarterback.
W
whiskeyrbl
Guest
ClintonPortis26 said:
I agree totally,David Carr when he had a little time in 2004(sacked only 49 times) actually put up decent numbers, I think alot has to do with the wanting of the QB from Texas.I think in the right system with improved blocking and improved blitz pick up Carr can have very good years. I personally blame the previous coaching staff for not filling the needs or implementing a better scheme for the offense.
GP
Go Texans!
At first I was hardcore "Trade the pick and draft the 'Brick" but now I have mellowed and with the changes being made with the subtraction of Capers & staff, and with the addition of a soild center in Flanagan...I am actually going to be OK with drafting Bush.
The guy is phenomenal. You can't undercut what he did and HOW he did it in college. We're not talking about a guy who ran it in from five yards out, or had a few memorable plays. There was a poster on here who posted a link to a little highlight reel of Bush...I was speechless with my jaw on the floor because of how many long runs this guy busted, and how many defenders he made to look like children out there. When you got a guy taking it to the house at 30 or 40 or 50 or 60 yards out, you have a gamebreaker that other teams have to gameplan for, and that gives us mor eoptions in the offensive playcalling that we have nevvvvvvvvvvvvvver had. Serious matchup problems. Serious...matchup...problems.
So if we take him, it's not a bad move. This is a draft where you basically have about four automatic pro bowl claiber players: Bush, Williams, Hawk, and 'Brick.
So taking Bush is not the end of the world. I would PREFER we trade and get the 'Brick...but I'll be just as giddy if we grab Bush.
The guy is phenomenal. You can't undercut what he did and HOW he did it in college. We're not talking about a guy who ran it in from five yards out, or had a few memorable plays. There was a poster on here who posted a link to a little highlight reel of Bush...I was speechless with my jaw on the floor because of how many long runs this guy busted, and how many defenders he made to look like children out there. When you got a guy taking it to the house at 30 or 40 or 50 or 60 yards out, you have a gamebreaker that other teams have to gameplan for, and that gives us mor eoptions in the offensive playcalling that we have nevvvvvvvvvvvvvver had. Serious matchup problems. Serious...matchup...problems.
So if we take him, it's not a bad move. This is a draft where you basically have about four automatic pro bowl claiber players: Bush, Williams, Hawk, and 'Brick.
So taking Bush is not the end of the world. I would PREFER we trade and get the 'Brick...but I'll be just as giddy if we grab Bush.
ClintonPortis26
Noob
gpshafer_1976 said:
Yea I saw that Reggie Bush's highlight real...good god....
But wanna know what would be a totally amazing move by Casserly and yall Texans...Trade your 1st overall pick to the Jets and trade the 28th overall pick and 2007-2008 second round pick for the New England Patriots 21st overall pick in 2006-2007. Then grab D'Brickashaw Ferguson and DeAngelo Williams. If the guy played for Texas his 4 seasons he would be so hyped right now it wouldnt even be funny.
But it will never happen.
Texans>Colts
Waterboy
ClintonPortis26 said:Yea I saw that Reggie Bush's highlight real...good god....
But wanna know what would be a totally amazing move by Casserly and yall Texans...Trade your 1st overall pick to the Jets and trade the 28th overall pick and 2007-2008 second round pick for the New England Patriots 21st overall pick in 2006-2007. Then grab D'Brickashaw Ferguson and DeAngelo Williams. If the guy played for Texas his 4 seasons he would be so hyped right now it wouldnt even be funny.
But it will never happen.
at least we have a first round pick. You guys traded for all these guys and traded like 2 or 3 of your picks. That silly
ClintonPortis26
Noob
Texans>Colts said:at least we have a first round pick. You guys traded for all these guys and traded like 2 or 3 of your picks. That silly
I wasnt making fun of you but I see what you mean. I would kill for a first round pick in this draft. Although I really think Jason Campbell is gonna be our guy though so I dont mind. As for Brandon Lloyd, alotta potiential, good size, wants to win. So he is fine too.
So basically this is our day one this off-season...
Round 1: Jason Campbell
Round 2: (Hopfully Roger McIntosh or Abdul Hodge)
Round 3: Brandon Lloyd
Texans>Colts
Waterboy
ClintonPortis26 said:
I would take Brady Quinn if i were you guys next year
ClintonPortis26
Noob
Texans>Colts said:
Brady Quinn is a Top 10 Pick.
Plus the whole Redskins Coaching staff loves Jason Campbell.
I'm kinda confused and need a little 'adjustment to my thinking from you Bush supporters--first, you say VY is going to take a couple of years to develope and make a real impact but, second, RB can make an immediate 'splash though, third, Kubiak is going to need 2 or 3 years to get the Texans where they 'need' to be--OK, my confusion is the 'splash' part. If it's going to take Kubiak 2 or 3 years, how does RB make an immediate inpact? And, finally, what's wrong with letting VY develope during those 2 or 3 years?
tulexan
Hall of Fame
I believe the 2-3 years remark is a reference to how long it will take to rebuild the entire team (offense and defense). From our FA acquisitions, it looks like our offense should be pretty goods next season and next offseason we will focus on defense to make them more equal to our offense.
Hottoddie
Veteran
If Bush is the greatest thing to come along since sliced bread & is a can't miss prospect that will single handedly turn this franchise around, then why are the Texans even considering trades? Why haven't they locked him up like they did with Carr? Since they own the first pick, they can sign him before the draft.
Instead, they're entertaining offers & have reportedly been trying to stir up some deals. That doesn't tell me that they are sold on him. If he's everything that you believe him to be, wouldn't it make more sense to make it clear that he's your guy? Wouldn't that influence some FA's to give Houston a call?
No, it's rather obvious to me that the Texans are not sold on Reggie Bush. If they don't lock him up after his Pro day, then you guys might want to break out the crying towels, because that'll only serve to convince me even more so, that they're planning on going in another direction.
While I have a couple of players that I really like, I'm going to be happy with whomever they choose. Even if it's Reggie Bush.
Instead, they're entertaining offers & have reportedly been trying to stir up some deals. That doesn't tell me that they are sold on him. If he's everything that you believe him to be, wouldn't it make more sense to make it clear that he's your guy? Wouldn't that influence some FA's to give Houston a call?
No, it's rather obvious to me that the Texans are not sold on Reggie Bush. If they don't lock him up after his Pro day, then you guys might want to break out the crying towels, because that'll only serve to convince me even more so, that they're planning on going in another direction.
While I have a couple of players that I really like, I'm going to be happy with whomever they choose. Even if it's Reggie Bush.
the wonger need food
All Pro
ClintonPortis26 said:
If Jason Campbell is your starting QB next season you will be picking in the top 10.
tulexan said:
I'm thinking the 2-3 years before we are play-off contenders.
ClintonPortis26
Noob
the wonger need food said:
Ok first of all like you have room to talk. Your be picking in the Top 5.
Second of all, fix your attitude buddy.
Third of all, How do you know? Im sure there were alot of people saying Ben Roethlisburgr and Carson Palmer wernt any good...
You must be a Vince Supporter or somthing and mad I said I think the Texans should take Bush in an earlier post.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Hottoddie said:
How do you know that they are serious about trading the pick? Is your name Bob McNair? I've read that all of this talk about trading down is just talk that all GMs do when they have the #1 pick. My prediction is that we will start working on Bush's deal once he comes into town in April.
tsip said:I'm kinda confused and need a little 'adjustment to my thinking from you Bush supporters--first, you say VY is going to take a couple of years to develope and make a real impact but, second, RB can make an immediate 'splash though, third, Kubiak is going to need 2 or 3 years to get the Texans where they 'need' to be--OK, my confusion is the 'splash' part. If it's going to take Kubiak 2 or 3 years, how does RB make an immediate inpact? And, finally, what's wrong with letting VY develope during those 2 or 3 years?
It'll take a couple of seasons for Kubiak to get everything as he wants it, but Bush can make an impact on that field starting on day 1. Fairly straightforward.
tsip said:
Um, yeah, I was referring to Bush. Bush can make an impact as Kubiak is putting the team together to his liking. It's not like one day 2 to 3 years from now the team is going to go from sucking to being a playoff contender. Just because a coach doesn't have the team set up precisely as he wants, that does not mean it cannot be successful.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
ClintonPortis26 said:
Because we actually have to endure watching the games. It has been four years and we are still waiting to see some sort of justification outside of potential.
the wonger need food
All Pro
ClintonPortis26 said:
Thanks for the list of tasks, now here is yours...
First, try to learn and utilize decent spelling and grammar.
Second, I'm not your buddy and my attitude needs no adjusting. If you don't appreciate it you can troll on back to wherever you Redskin fans hang out... the ones who can read anyway.
Third, because I just do. Palmer and Rothlisburger were inserted into good offensive systems. The Redskins are just a bunch of guns for hire playing in an antiquated system.
Lastly, I'm a Texans supporter. I could not care less who they pick as long as it helps the team.