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Quiet on offense.. Please

The games I've been to, I've noticed the noise on O.

There is this one guy that screams... "Throw it to ANDRE!!!!" When Schaub doesn't, he gets all pissed and says " YOU FING SUCK SCHAUB!" But when Schaub threw a TD he would be giddy like a schoolgirl. "YOU DA MAN SCHAUBY!" This guy thought AJ was open on every play, and throwing to anyone else was a sin, lol. Oh, and Domanick Slaton was a badass running back. :ahhaha:


I know the rules, and keep to them. My personal routine is, hat backwards on D to drive them back, hat forwards on O, to move down the field. Hell, I do that at home, and have been doing so since I was 13 years old. :fans:
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm in 609, two years ago, I was in 608. I've got people making noise on offense all around me. I do the be quiet thing (do'n the bird), and tell them "Quiet on offense"

But they hear the guys in the endzones going off, and ignore me.
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Again, I call Bullshit on the endzones!!! You could hear a pin drop in the Bull Pen! I suspect the same in the Dark Side where the likes of Shaft75 resides!!!


BS!!!!!
 
False Start said:
The games I've been to, I've noticed the noise on O.

There is this one guy that screams... "Throw it to ANDRE!!!!" When Schaub doesn't, he gets all pissed and says " YOU FING SUCK SCHAUB!" But when Schaub threw a TD he would be giddy like a schoolgirl. "YOU DA MAN SCHAUBY!" This guy thought AJ was open on every play, and throwing to anyone else was a sin, lol. Oh, and Domanick Slaton was a badass running back. :ahhaha:


I know the rules, and keep to them. My personal routine is, hat backwards on D to drive them back, hat forwards on O, to move down the field. Hell, I do that at home, and have been doing so since I was 13 years old. :fans:
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Make the world a better place... Punch stooopid fan in the face!!!
 
Texan_Bill said:
Again, I call Bullshit on the endzones!!! You could hear a pin drop in the Bull Pen! I suspect the same in the Dark Side where the likes of Shaft75 resides!!!


BS!!!!!
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I'm just going to throw a guess out there Bill, but maybe all these "endzone's making noise" posts are to excite this reaction out of you.


that's the only reason I added it in my post.
:kitten:
 
The noise problem seems to have gotten worse over the years. The first few years, Reliant had its moments on offense when the fans were quiet.

And it's definitely Bil ... errr ... end zones making all the noise.

*poke poke*


;)
 
Look, just have Schaub point to the crowd and place his hand vertically across his lips. The crowd will quieten or someone will order him a beer thinking he is thirsty.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hey guys, I know Reliant is going to be rocking come Sunday. We generally do a good job making noise when we are on defense, and causing problems for the other team.

But we tend to make as much noise, or at least enough, when we are on offense. Especially when we are in scoring position, when you see our offense asking us to tone it down, we need to do our part, and allow them to hear, concentrate, and focus.

Remember guys, bring the raise the roof when we're on Defense, especially on third down. But we need to hear pins dropping when we are on offense.
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I am sorry I cant agree to this...as soon as I get my happy battle red wearing self along with my son and pops in the car on sat I am going to be yellling at the top of my lungs because I am so pumped for the Texans to make some glue out of those mules. In fact I AM YELLING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE BATTLE RED REVOLUTION WILL REIGN DOWN FIRE UPON THOSE WHO HAVE OPRESSED THE MIGHTY TEXANS FOR SO MANY YEARS. MARIO WILL HIT PEYTON SO HARD THAT HE WILL KNOCK THE WHEATIES RIGHT OUT OF HIM.

pant...pant....pant


ok...maybe I need to find some of that cool purple Jamarcus was drinking otherwise my blood pressure will hit 400 by mid thursday.
 
Yeah. That's me.

"Quiet on O" and "Loud on D".....

....or as I know it: "Everyone is happy cuz I'm sitting down" and "Everyone is pissed cuz I'm loud, obnoxious and standing"
 
It might be the fact that there are so many opposing teams fans in OUR house. There are 2 seats next to me that have never had the same people in them and quite often they're opposing teams fans. And yes, the bullpen is bad about that. The 1st 4 years I sat above the bullpen there were times when at least half the fans were for the other team. But it's not just the bullpen, it's all around the stadium. And especially when a team like the Titans, Cowboys, Steelers, Packers etc. come to town.

There's just so many transplants here (well except for Titan fans who are just people who can't think for themselves) that they buy the tickets when their team comes in. And because there are so many PSL/season ticket holders who just have them to make money, those tickets will always be available for those fans. A Texan fan is less likely to spend 3 times face value, but a Steeler fan will when it's the only game they'll attend here for a year or two or longer.
 
I know there will be a lot of Indy fans in the house. I'm gonna shut up when we're on O- for the most part. The only tix i could get were in 338, which is on the other side :-( Every time i sit there, i see that half of the either aways hang out in the food/drink area and never even watch the game, or simply don't give a rat's behind as to the outcome. :-( I take my flag to my games- 3 a year if i'm lucky, and get evil looks for bringing my flags. and they're texas flags with our logo embossed! they look great!!!!! grrrrrr.
 
eriadoc said:
The noise problem seems to have gotten worse over the years. The first few years, Reliant had its moments on offense when the fans were quiet.

And it's definitely Bil ... errr ... end zones making all the noise.

*poke poke*


;)
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Maybe..... Maybe the jackasses up in the cheap seats in section 600. :slapfight:

:D
 
At least we don't have to worry about the folks in the club sections making any noise. They are to busy watching the game on the flatscreens. :kitten:
 
sakebomb said:
At least we don't have to worry about the folks in the club sections making any noise. They are to busy watching the game on the flatscreens. :kitten:
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Don't forget about not being able to finish one drink before they're there with a fresh one wanting to know if you're ready to eat yet or if ya want any ice cream... It's tuff up in those suites. But alas, no passes this game :mad:
 
Texan_Bill said:
Generally speaking, I don't think that the majority of members here need to be told to be quiet on offense. As Cak mentioned and I also suspect, it's those rookie fans that maybe got their first tickets to a game that need to be warned.

It is frustrating as hell though!!
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It's instinctive to want to cheer when you're trying to score. Every other sport, you get LOUD when you're on offense. It's almost counterintuitive and takes knowledgable fans to know to be quiet. Our team's only 8 years old. The fans will get it eventually.

What we need is some kind of gimmick to become legendary. Like "J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets". Or the Eagles cheer. Or the Lambeau Leap. We gots nothin'. And it's frustrating to play my buddies in Madden and hear the damn air raid sirens when you're playing the Jets, or the 'Skins chant. Ugh.
 
Speedy said:
It might be the fact that there are so many opposing teams fans in OUR house. There are 2 seats next to me that have never had the same people in them and quite often they're opposing teams fans. And yes, the bullpen is bad about that. The 1st 4 years I sat above the bullpen there were times when at least half the fans were for the other team. But it's not just the bullpen, it's all around the stadium. And especially when a team like the Titans, Cowboys, Steelers, Packers etc. come to town.

There's just so many transplants here (well except for Titan fans who are just people who can't think for themselves) that they buy the tickets when their team comes in. And because there are so many PSL/season ticket holders who just have them to make money, those tickets will always be available for those fans. A Texan fan is less likely to spend 3 times face value, but a Steeler fan will when it's the only game they'll attend here for a year or two or longer.
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It's not the transplants. Blame the front office. For whatever reason, the area that they designated as "for hardcore fans only" has a TON of team-owned seats. Team-owned seats that home players don't take go first to the NFL, then to visiting teams, then up on Ticketmaster when they're not claimed. It blows.
 
Marcus said:
That's pretty sad that football fans actually have to be "told" to be quiet when their hometeam's offense is on the field. That's mind-boggling.
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yep. Sad, but true.

I can't begin to tell you how many glares we've received when we have "shushed" those around us yelling when our offense is on the field. And those same folks sit on their hands when our defense is on the field. They just don't grasp the concept.
 
I disagree with this thread completly.... I think the fans are not loud enough. Dont quiet them at all. Keep yelling because it could interfere with the defensive play calling. If our QB wants us to be quiet then he will motion his arms for quiet. Until then yell your freaking hearts out.

Im bringing it... hard....got my finger ready to signal for another Houston Texans.... FIRST DOWN.
 
spurstexanstros said:
I disagree with this thread completly.... I think the fans are not loud enough. Dont quiet them at all. Keep yelling because it could interfere with the defensive play calling. If our QB wants us to be quiet then he will motion his arms for quiet. Until then yell your freaking hearts out.
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I've seen him do it several times, especially in the end zone (when the team is in the end zone, I'm not talking about you TBill).

If you get to the game early enough, they always show the video asking you to be quite on offense, loud on defense... they call it the home-field advantage.

& Everytime the other team gets a false start penalty, you'll see an animation of Toro counting the times the crowd had been affective.
 
spurstexanstros said:
I disagree with this thread completly.... I think the fans are not loud enough. Dont quiet them at all. Keep yelling because it could interfere with the defensive play calling. If our QB wants us to be quiet then he will motion his arms for quiet. Until then yell your freaking hearts out.

Im bringing it... hard....got my finger ready to signal for another Houston Texans.... FIRST DOWN.
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I think it is far more important that our receivers hear the audibles than any potential for disrupting defensive calls.

Does our QB really need more things to think about at the LOS??? Hometown fans should be the last thing he should be dealing with when trying to evaluate a defensive scheme and making adjustments in a very limited amount of time.

You're working for the enemy when you become a disruption to our offense. It's just that simple in football, man.
 
spurstexanstros said:
I disagree with this thread completly.... I think the fans are not loud enough. Dont quiet them at all. Keep yelling because it could interfere with the defensive play calling. If our QB wants us to be quiet then he will motion his arms for quiet. Until then yell your freaking hearts out.

Im bringing it... hard....got my finger ready to signal for another Houston Texans.... FIRST DOWN.
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You're joking, right?
 
thunderkyss said:
I've seen him do it several times, especially in the end zone (when the team is in the end zone, I'm not talking about you TBill).

If you get to the game early enough, they always show the video asking you to be quite on offense, loud on defense... they call it the home-field advantage.

& Everytime the other team gets a false start penalty, you'll see an animation of Toro counting the times the crowd had been affective.
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I never have bought into that... Yeah, players jump offsides because the fans were just a little too loud..I thought it was the cadence or thinking you know the snap count...But ok, if Toro says we are the reason for the fan assist... so be it !! :ok:
 
spurstexanstros said:
I disagree with this thread completly.... I think the fans are not loud enough. Dont quiet them at all. Keep yelling because it could interfere with the defensive play calling. If our QB wants us to be quiet then he will motion his arms for quiet. Until then yell your freaking hearts out.

Im bringing it... hard....got my finger ready to signal for another Houston Texans.... FIRST DOWN.
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LOL. Why would you want to distract Schaub from hearing the play call, relaying it to the offense, read the defensive set up, possibly audible, and get the play off successfully? Every second on that play clock is valuable and you want to waste 10 seconds of it for him not to be able to hear the play call and then another 5 for him to tell the fricking stadium to be quiet??

I see Schaub's hands on his ear holes so often b/c he can't hear what's being said. There's been times when he's had to waste a time out b/c he can't hear.

There will be plenty of time to be loud and cheer and celebrate after the play when we score. Before hand it is pointless, its detrimental to the offense and if anything it helps the defense. Cheer before the play and you won't be cheering after the play. You'll be complaining b/c the OL missed a blitz, or the WR ran a different route and Matt threw a Pick 6 on the goal line. You'll be blaming Schaub when all you gotta do is look in the mirror.

Just shut the eff up when Schaub's trying to hear the play call.

Sorry to be so blunt but sometimes that's the only way for people to understand.
 
hobie said:
I never have bought into that... Yeah, players jump offsides because the fans were just a little too loud..I thought it was the cadence or thinking you know the snap count...But ok, if Toro says we are the reason for the fan assist... so be it !! :ok:
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Yeah... you're not following. If you're making noise that causes the other team to jump off-sides, you're making noise when their defense is on the field. Our offense is on the field. You want to be quiet as a mouse when our offense is on the field.

When their offense is on the field, we want to make it impossible for them to hear even in the huddle. We want one of their line-men to get the snap count wrong, so he moves on 2 & not 3... & get's a false start.

We want their OL to lose their concentration, forget the count, and when the see Antonio Flinch, they roll back... & get a false start.

We want it to be so loud, that when Manning changes a play his wide receiver misses some important aspect, and runs an out when Manning throws a skinny post. & we get an interception (Manning's pretty good with his hand signals though).

We're also trying to cause delay of games... when it's hard to hear the play call, or when Peyton has to move over to the right end to yell at one receiver, then move to the left end to yell at the other receiver, when he changes plays in his no huddle.
 
Let me play devils advocate here... So why is it ok for the crowd to get loud when the D has the ball... Don't you think they would like to hear an audible at the line so they can change their D. So to say that the D doesn't need it to be quiet and the O does for an advantage..Good teams find a way to run the play anyway...
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
LOL. Why would you want to distract Schaub from hearing the play call, relaying it to the offense, read the defensive set up, possibly audible, and get the play off successfully? Every second on that play clock is valuable and you want to waste 10 seconds of it for him not to be able to hear the play call and then another 5 for him to tell the fricking stadium to be quiet??

I see Schaub's hands on his ear holes so often b/c he can't hear what's being said. There's been times when he's had to waste a time out b/c he can't hear.

There will be plenty of time to be loud and cheer and celebrate after the play when we score. Before hand it is pointless, its detrimental to the offense and if anything it helps the defense. Cheer before the play and you won't be cheering after the play. You'll be complaining b/c the OL missed a blitz, or the WR ran a different route and Matt threw a Pick 6 on the goal line. You'll be blaming Schaub when all you gotta do is look in the mirror.

Just shut the eff up when Schaub's trying to hear the play call.

Sorry to be so blunt but sometimes that's the only way for people to understand.
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Agree 100 percent. Quite frankly, people who say we should yell all the time come off as if they don't know much about football. As you said, there will be plenty of time for screaming after we get the first down or after we score. But until then, zip it.

Something to think about: I never yell on offense, yet I have never left a Texans game with my voice intact. I can barely talk on Mondays.

There will be plenty of opportunities to yell and get crazy. But not while Schaub has the ball.
 
i see your points. just disagree that is all. I give them shouts of encouragement on offense and defense...thats all I do.

Section 630 is going to rockin this year..I tell you what.
 
I've skipped through most of this thread, so my comments could have already been said.

Texans are playing the Colts on Sunday. Last year while the Texans were playing the Colts, Peyton Manning played hurry up offense and threw a 30+ yard pass while our players and fans were celebrating a tackle.
 
hobie said:
Let me play devils advocate here... So why is it ok for the crowd to get loud when the D has the ball... Don't you think they would like to hear an audible at the line so they can change their D. So to say that the D doesn't need it to be quiet and the O does for an advantage..Good teams find a way to run the play anyway...
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No, no NO!

Defense is generally reactionary, and they less likely need to hear audibiles.

If the opposing offensive line can't HEAR the audible, then that totally messes their game plan up and distracts the qb. That gives the opposing defense a better shot at disruptions.

Come on, people. I thought we were more sophisticated football fans than this. I feel like I'm reading the Houstontexans message board. Yeesh.
 
hobie said:
Let me play devils advocate here... So why is it ok for the crowd to get loud when the D has the ball... Don't you think they would like to hear an audible at the line so they can change their D. So to say that the D doesn't need it to be quiet and the O does for an advantage..Good teams find a way to run the play anyway...
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Defense has been working off hand signals for years. That radio in the D's helmet is a relatively new thing. Defensive plays are not as intricate as offensive plays.

The offense dictates when the ball will be snapped.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah... you're not following. If you're making noise that causes the other team to jump off-sides, you're making noise when their defense is on the field. Our offense is on the field. You want to be quiet as a mouse when our offense is on the field.

When their offense is on the field, we want to make it impossible for them to hear even in the huddle. We want one of their line-men to get the snap count wrong, so he moves on 2 & not 3... & get's a false start.

We want their OL to lose their concentration, forget the count, and when the see Antonio Flinch, they roll back... & get a false start.

We want it to be so loud, that when Manning changes a play his wide receiver misses some important aspect, and runs an out when Manning throws a skinny post. & we get an interception (Manning's pretty good with his hand signals though).
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Um, I am not 12 years old, I get it...so if the D jumps off side, what is that? An oopsie?? Or the OL moves, same thing, or is that fan interference?? I think people tend to think it means more than it really does...
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah... you're not following. If you're making noise that causes the other team to jump off-sides, you're making noise when their defense is on the field. Our offense is on the field. You want to be quiet as a mouse when our offense is on the field.

When their offense is on the field, we want to make it impossible for them to hear even in the huddle. We want one of their line-men to get the snap count wrong, so he moves on 2 & not 3... & get's a false start.

We want their OL to lose their concentration, forget the count, and when the see Antonio Flinch, they roll back... & get a false start.

We want it to be so loud, that when Manning changes a play his wide receiver misses some important aspect, and runs an out when Manning throws a skinny post. & we get an interception (Manning's pretty good with his hand signals though).
We're also trying to cause delay of games... when it's hard to hear the play call, or when Peyton has to move over to the right end to yell at one receiver, then move to the left end to yell at the other receiver, when he changes plays in his no huddle.
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He has said than most of the time, they have no meaning at all...it's more to make the D think he is up to something... I understand what ya'll are saying, and I don't yell when the O has the ball, but honestly, I cannot believe the "fan" has anything to do with a player losing his concentration on a play..
 
hobie said:
He has said than most of the time, they have no meaning at all...it's more to make the D think he is up to something... I understand what ya'll are saying, and I don't yell when the O has the ball, but honestly, I cannot believe the "fan" has anything to do with a player losing his concentration on a play..
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No offense, but, you remind me of the two guys who sit next to me at Reliant. They show up halfway through the second quarter, have a few beers, and leave midway through the third quarter to go back outside and party and tailgate.

After all, we're just "fans". We have no control over how loud the stadium is, right? Sad.
 
houstonspartan said:
No offense, but, you remind me of the two guys who sit next to me at Reliant. They show up halfway through the second quarter, have a few beers, and leave midway through the third quarter to go back outside and party and tailgate.

After all, we're just "fans". We have no control over how loud the stadium is, right? Sad.
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So you get all giddy inside when you see Toro toss that Fan Assist number up there....?? No offense taken....
 
hobie said:
He has said than most of the time, they have no meaning at all...it's more to make the D think he is up to something... I understand what ya'll are saying, and I don't yell when the O has the ball, but honestly, I cannot believe the "fan" has anything to do with a player losing his concentration on a play..
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I guess memories are really short. Just two weeks ago Romo stated the RB didn't hear his audible changing the play from a hand off to a toss resulting in a fumble and turnover to the Texans. Clearly the fans can affect the players. Obviously not all false starts, etc. are caused by the fans but certainly some are.
 
The MOST IMPORTANT time to be quiet is when Schaubie is getting the play call on his helmet radio...it's usually right after they re-set the play clock.....you can see him alot of times putting his hands over the ear holes on his helmet.
Please, lets try to be quiet when we are on offense...and if you have others around you, just do the arm thing like Schaub does to try to get people to settle down.

Go TEXANS!

AND MAKE NOISE WHEN our D is on the field!
 
There is this little bitty asian guy in row R in the 116, that little sum beach has to be the loudest fan in there during opposing offense, he uses his feet to slam the stands, he claps and uses every once of air and vocal cords to screem, but once Schaub is on the field he is like a :cricket:. He alone has to have some kind of impact.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
LOL. Why would you want to distract Schaub from hearing the play call, relaying it to the offense, read the defensive set up, possibly audible, and get the play off successfully? Every second on that play clock is valuable and you want to waste 10 seconds of it for him not to be able to hear the play call and then another 5 for him to tell the fricking stadium to be quiet??

I see Schaub's hands on his ear holes so often b/c he can't hear what's being said. There's been times when he's had to waste a time out b/c he can't hear.

There will be plenty of time to be loud and cheer and celebrate after the play when we score. Before hand it is pointless, its detrimental to the offense and if anything it helps the defense. Cheer before the play and you won't be cheering after the play. You'll be complaining b/c the OL missed a blitz, or the WR ran a different route and Matt threw a Pick 6 on the goal line. You'll be blaming Schaub when all you gotta do is look in the mirror.

Just shut the eff up when Schaub's trying to hear the play call.

Sorry to be so blunt but sometimes that's the only way for people to understand.
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So i guess in the huddle they are talking fantasy football.....I was under the understanding they were discussing a series of plays including audibles.

Also doesnt the center call out ol plays and it is passed down the line. If those guys cant hear under minimal noise..( not even close to what it will be on the road) we got problems.

If schaub throws a pic 6 its because he throws it after making wrong read after the snap not because of me in sec 630 or anyone in the pen prior to the snap. These guys make millions and are paid to perform and I have paid good money to root when and how I want to root. I am not amping it up and screaming like an ***** ( I do that on defensive third downs) just applauding them for previous play or telling them to throw the freaking ball or Hey that number 80 is good you may want to throw it in his direction.

As a fan that is my right...to cheer. I cheer loudly from kickoff to the end of the game and sometimes after.

I am sorry I sat in the 100's and was surrounded by fans who sat on their hands the whole game and got dirty looks when i celebrated touch downs. after a while I began to cheer less and less and ended up not having a good time. Never again.......

I am calling it sec 630 is going to win the loudest section in Reliant ( al least my portion of the season)
Call me an idjit or a bad fan...whatever. I dont care. I grew up watching games in the Hemisfair Arena and Astrodome where it was noisy from wire to wire. I will root hard for my team. all game long. I am there before kick off (unlike alot of fans) and there till final gun. (again unlike most fans who are trying to beat the traffic)

Work on getting those fans in their seats on time and keep them there until the end, then maybe you can work on rooting protocol.
My point is let the fans be themselves and root how they want to...we are all there to have a good time.
 
jeesh, I had no idea that even some of our fanatics - those that frequent this board, tailgate, and/or go to games - were so ignorant about a basic aspect of being a fan at the game.

Here's a primer for the uneducated (no disrespect intended):

How to Cheer at Football Games (<---link)

1. Yell DEFENSE as soon as the opposing team starts to huddle. Scream and holler when the other team is trying to talk and call their plays.

2. Open up your mouth and let out long Whoooos! Whooos can actually be easier on the throat than chanting DEFENSE. Chanting DEFENSE can really get the people around you into it though. The more people chanting DEFENSE and yelling means the more loud it is and the more chance that the opposing team can mess up.

3. When the opposing team lines up to hike the ball and the quarterback is calling out the play, yell with all your might! Yell at 1st down, 2nd down, and especially at 3rd down. Screaming at every down is important, but 3rd is the most important because you want the team to get into 4th down and either go for the touchdown and loose or try to kick a field goal.

4. Do not yell and chant when your team has the ball and is hiking the ball. Yell after they make a touchdown or a great play, but yelling before can only hurt your team and cause them not to hear the plays.
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The NFL has a penalty rule that used to be enforced but seems to be dormant regarding crowd noise. Why is that if it is not effective? Ask yourself, and perhaps research the history, why the NFL would create a rule to penalize home crowds if cheering was not an effective in a game.

And then do some research on the "12th man" and find out why this term even exists if it's not a factor in games.

Obviously, it takes a good team for the hometown crowd to be a part of the game. But, it has been proven time and time again throughout college and NFL history that a home stadium advantage exists for good teams with good, smart, and rowdy fans. As TK mentioned above, false starts, blown audibles, miscues, timeouts called due to delays, and even turnovers can be directly caused by crowd noise. This is not even speculation or in question. Anyone with even a slight degree of knowledge about football history knows this to be true.
 
Here's some information:

For N.F.L., Crowd Noise Is a Headache

The league has long had an uneasy relationship with crowd noise, and may soon embark on its latest quest to overcome it — not by hushing fans, but by allowing visiting players the benefit of a helmet-to-helmet wireless communication system.

The noise issue came to the forefront as the Giants prepared for today’s game against the Seahawks at Qwest Field, the notoriously loud stadium in Seattle. When the teams played there last November, the Giants were called for 11 false-start penalties, the kind often caused by a failure to communicate. The Giants had 16 penalties over all, the highest number for the franchise since 1949, and lost in overtime, 24-21.

Visiting teams have long struggled with noise. The former quarterback Ron Jaworski remembered a game at the Orange Bowl in Miami in 1981 that was so loud, he turned repeatedly to the referee for help.

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The N.F.L. is not antinoise, exactly. It just does not appreciate certain types at certain times. The N.F.L. rule book even has a 900-word section devoted to crowd noise; too much when the visiting offense is on the field can draw a penalty for the home team.

Teams also receive detailed, and restrictive, instructions from the league about ways to elicit reactions from their fans. Under the guidelines, some electronic messages — “Let’s go crazy” and “Pump it up” are among those listed — are not acceptable.

Other chants (“De-fense!”) are appropriate, at certain times. Encouraging the wave is not — ever.

But N.F.L. fans cannot help themselves. So they keep cheering, often disrupting the communications and hard-thought intentions of the visiting offense and becoming, in effect, what Seattle fans and others call the 12th man. Once the opponents are rattled, the crowd cheers even louder.

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False-start penalties, particularly on the road, come when players try to anticipate the snap rather than see it.

For Manning, the biggest nuisance is struggling to shout instructions or bark warnings at the line of scrimmage.
Changing a play is nearly impossible.

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It adopted a noise penalty in 1989, allowing the referee, at the quarterback’s request, to warn the home team that the crowd is being disruptive. The referee, who stands behind the quarterback at the snap, can dock the home team a timeout, or even call a 5-yard penalty, if he decides that linemen cannot hear the snap count.
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