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QB Dave Ragone Waived
- Thread starter Vinny
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rafterticket
Waterboy
I am really sorry to see him go, but I thought all along he was never really given a chance or consideration to be more than third stringer. He always did look awkward over center, but maybe some real coaching those first few years and he could have improved on that. I was hoping he would get a real shot at #2 this year, but when they signed Rosenfels, it wasn't going to happen.
I realize this is just a continuing slam on the previous regime, but it never seemed they really cared about too many guys beyond the starters. Anyway, I hope Ragone gets a chance with someone else to prove himself. Third string is not what he probably wanted at this point, so I hope it's for the best.
I realize this is just a continuing slam on the previous regime, but it never seemed they really cared about too many guys beyond the starters. Anyway, I hope Ragone gets a chance with someone else to prove himself. Third string is not what he probably wanted at this point, so I hope it's for the best.
All this talk about 3rd string QB's suck should remember some of the great quarterbacks in NFL history taken in late rounds.
For starters, Tom Brady - he hasn't done anything in the NFL has he.
Or how about Joe Montana - 3rd round
Or how about Bart Starr - Green Bay QB God along time before Favre rolled around - back when real quarterbacks played hurt and with one roll bar on the front. 17th round!!!!
For starters, Tom Brady - he hasn't done anything in the NFL has he.
Or how about Joe Montana - 3rd round
Or how about Bart Starr - Green Bay QB God along time before Favre rolled around - back when real quarterbacks played hurt and with one roll bar on the front. 17th round!!!!
Texansbacker
Waterboy
Ragone was a wasted pick but so are many gambles in the draft. Sometimes you hit paydirt, such as the pick with Henson. The main problem I had with the Ragone selection was the timing. At the time, we could have picked up a decent o-lineman or perhaps another position in which we had not already used a number one pick (in year one).
Casserly must have really thought he was too good to pass up that late in the draft (he was once projected as a first rounder) and consequently he thought he would blossom into a solid backup or valuable trade bait.
You can't necessary blame a guy for trying, but when you have multiple roster spots to fill and you have already spent a valuable number one draft pick on a QB, you can hold him responsible and ultimately Bob McNair did.
Casserly must have really thought he was too good to pass up that late in the draft (he was once projected as a first rounder) and consequently he thought he would blossom into a solid backup or valuable trade bait.
You can't necessary blame a guy for trying, but when you have multiple roster spots to fill and you have already spent a valuable number one draft pick on a QB, you can hold him responsible and ultimately Bob McNair did.
TexanFan881
All Pro
gpshafer_1976 said:
The only free agent that looks any good right now is Kerry Collins, and I don't see us signing him considering we invested a lot of money in Sage.
WiiBrawler
WiiMan
go out there and get Josh McCown if he is available at a good price , he showed he can have success in Arizona when Kurt Warner was out,
TexanFan881
All Pro
Carr2Johnson said:
I like him a lot too, but he signed with Detriot because they got rid of Harrington
TexanBorn51
All Pro
That's true but he only played backup2-5 games his junior year and then Durant QB got hurt he went in as a starter his senior year. UNC played 10 top25 college teams that year. They started slow that game was in October but his end result was - BAKER: QB Matt Baker leads the ACC in both passing yards and total offense. Through two games, the senior signal-caller is averaging 286.0 total yards per game, 21 yards more than NC State QB Jay Davis, who is second with 265.0 yards per game.bingbing said:
Baker leads the league with 280.5 yards passing per game. He threw for 280 yards against Georgia Tech and 281 yards against Wisconsin. In two games, Baker has nearly thrown as many passes (76) as he did in the previous three seasons at Carolina (80). He won MVP with UNC. You say that's one bad stat one bad game you say but this is the rest of the story. Of course we're not talking #1 QB or top draft selection here but he hardly had time to play in his college football. Here in Houston and Kube he may have a chance to show some potential.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
G'bye Dave, I hardly knew ye...
I liked Ragone more than I like Carr. I'm disapointed, but hopefully we will now bring in an experienced QB. Kerry Collins, Jay Fiedler, or anyone who has ever had success in the NFL. Tony Banks was NOT a good example for the Davids.
TexanFan881
All Pro
mexican_texan said:
G'bye Dave, I hardly knew ye...
I liked Ragone more than I like Carr. I'm disapointed, but hopefully we will now bring in an experienced QB. Kerry Collins, Jay Fiedler, or anyone who has ever had success in the NFL. Tony Banks was NOT a good example for the Davids.
Jay Fiedler has got hurt all of last season. There's no way I want to see him on our team. Kerry Collins sounds good, but I think he will probably retire rather than being a back-up QB for us.
MorKnolle
All Pro
mexican_texan said:
G'bye Dave, I hardly knew ye...
I liked Ragone more than I like Carr. I'm disapointed, but hopefully we will now bring in an experienced QB. Kerry Collins, Jay Fiedler, or anyone who has ever had success in the NFL. Tony Banks was NOT a good example for the Davids.
They aren't going to bring in another QB, they have Carr as their #1, Rosenfels as their #2 and Baker or Porter as their #3 (my money is on Porter right now, if I was to bet on something like that).
Vinny
shiny happy fan
nice call yesterday...MorKnolle said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=351719&postcount=49
JAXwithanX
Waterboy
kcwilson said:
lol. exactly what i was going to say.
damn not to mention we just passed on the sort of player who probably could have filled in as our new #2 QB on the chart. hell....give him a good enough chance and he maybe could have filled in the #1 spots at QB and RB AT THE SAME TIME. and no....he didn't go 3 overall. higher.
mancunian
Old Timer
mexican_texan said:
G'bye Dave, I hardly knew ye...
I liked Ragone more than I like Carr. I'm disapointed, but hopefully we will now bring in an experienced QB. Kerry Collins, Jay Fiedler, or anyone who has ever had success in the NFL. Tony Banks was NOT a good example for the Davids.
Collins wants to start and wants starter type cash. I'm note sure if he's the type of "character" that Kubiak likes.
Hulk75
Veteran
The back up is the best QB on the field did you not know that.mexican_texan said:
G'bye Dave, I hardly knew ye...
I liked Ragone more than I like Carr. I'm disapointed, but hopefully we will now bring in an experienced QB. Kerry Collins, Jay Fiedler, or anyone who has ever had success in the NFL. Tony Banks was NOT a good example for the Davids.
Texan Asylum said:I don't know it myself, but I always thought Dave never did get a good opportunity to prove his metal with the Texans.
This is exactly correct. The guy had a great year in NFL Europe and he gets cut without even getting into a game. Why Sage Rosenfeldt is seen as so much better than Ragone is beyond me. I would sure have more confidence in Ragone as the QB if Carr was hurt than Sage Rosenfeldt.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
MorKnolle said:
your probably right (once again
) but over the season Baker should gain on him (will get the call most likely for NFL Europe) and in two- three years will be a capable starting QB if needed. Porter is a practice-squad player who could turn into a dependable third quarterback for the Texans.I dont think Ragone was a bad pick. He obviously has talent and someone will pick him up. The FO didnt know when Ragone was drafted that Carr would be so durable or that Banks would be happy as a backup. I'll bet the brass thought Banks would be gone soon. Turns out nobody wanted Banks when he was a FA. I hope Carr continues to stay healthy.
Not that we're going to mimic everything the Broncos did (but so far the pattern is holding true), -- last year Denver only carried 2 QBs on their 53 the entire year. Our roster on Sept 10 could very well be Carr and Rosenfels @ QB and that's it.
Porter and Baker are very much developmental guys and there are reasons why neither was drafted. However, both have the mobility attributes that Kubiak likes - which is one of the reasons Ragone is no longer here - and having at least one of the two around will give Kubiak a young QB to develop on the p.s.
The Texans have typically carried 3 on their 53 in the past with Carr and Banks usually active and Ragone inactive on game days.
Porter and Baker are very much developmental guys and there are reasons why neither was drafted. However, both have the mobility attributes that Kubiak likes - which is one of the reasons Ragone is no longer here - and having at least one of the two around will give Kubiak a young QB to develop on the p.s.
The Texans have typically carried 3 on their 53 in the past with Carr and Banks usually active and Ragone inactive on game days.
texan279
Hall of Fame
from www.kffl.com
Texans | Q. Porter takes over No. 3 QB role
Sat, 20 May 2006 06:15:47 -0700
Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports with the released of QB Dave Ragone, rookie QB Quinton Porter takes over as the No. 3 quarterback for the Houston Texans. Porter, 6-4, 233 pounds, is an undrafted rookie. He was unable to get into a rhythm at Boston College because of injuries.
Texans | Q. Porter takes over No. 3 QB role
Sat, 20 May 2006 06:15:47 -0700
Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports with the released of QB Dave Ragone, rookie QB Quinton Porter takes over as the No. 3 quarterback for the Houston Texans. Porter, 6-4, 233 pounds, is an undrafted rookie. He was unable to get into a rhythm at Boston College because of injuries.
... again, don't lose sight of the fact that Denver didn't have a "#3 QB" last year. Although it's common and a good idea to have at least 4 QBs in camp in preseason to reduce the risk of injury to your top guys.
Denver had Matt Mauck and Danny Kanell in camp and preseason last year working behind Plummer and Van Pelt. They also had an undrafted rookie FA by the name of Chad Friehauf and later signed Kliff Kingsbury to their p.s. for a few weeks at the start of the season.
But when the season started (and for the following 16 weeks) they ran strictly with Plummer and Van Pelt - which is pretty much analogous to Carr and Rosenfels when you think about it. If the Texans can keep Carr healthy, there won't be a reason to carry 3 on the 53.
Porter and Baker's best shot this year is p.s., unless one really really surprises this summer and in early preseason. The downside of one performing well is there's always the risk of losing him during waivers or having him claimed off the p.s. Everyone is always looking for young QBs to develop.
Conversely, the downside of keeping a young developmental QB on your 53 is that it takes up a valuable roster spot forcing you to carry one less at a different position for a guy who probably won't see little if any action, especially if #1 and #2 stay healthy.
Denver had Matt Mauck and Danny Kanell in camp and preseason last year working behind Plummer and Van Pelt. They also had an undrafted rookie FA by the name of Chad Friehauf and later signed Kliff Kingsbury to their p.s. for a few weeks at the start of the season.
But when the season started (and for the following 16 weeks) they ran strictly with Plummer and Van Pelt - which is pretty much analogous to Carr and Rosenfels when you think about it. If the Texans can keep Carr healthy, there won't be a reason to carry 3 on the 53.
Porter and Baker's best shot this year is p.s., unless one really really surprises this summer and in early preseason. The downside of one performing well is there's always the risk of losing him during waivers or having him claimed off the p.s. Everyone is always looking for young QBs to develop.
Conversely, the downside of keeping a young developmental QB on your 53 is that it takes up a valuable roster spot forcing you to carry one less at a different position for a guy who probably won't see little if any action, especially if #1 and #2 stay healthy.
K
kingh99
Guest
This may be a blessing in disguise. Now he can concentrate on his spaghetti sauce business.
Vaya con carne mi amigo~!
Vaya con carne mi amigo~!
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Jwwillis said:
If not St Louis......
Raiders needs help.
TexanFan881
All Pro
cuppacoffee said:If not St Louis......
Raiders needs help.
He can probably start there
TexanFan881
All Pro
Hulk75 said:
And they need a QB considering they were looking at drafting Jay Cutler...
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Worst case scenario, they both get injures .... NOOOOOOO ....MorKnolle said:
and Robaire Smith gets angry takes snaps from shotgun and makes the defenses pay.... He played a little FB for us afterall
TexanFan881
All Pro
Brandon420tx said:Worst case scenario, they both get injures .... NOOOOOOO ....
and Robaire Smith gets angry takes snaps from shotgun and makes the defenses pay.... He played a little FB for us afterall
After hearing about practice so far, the worst case scenario is just David Carr getting hurt...
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
TexanFan881 said:
I wonder if Kubiak is considering himself a backup if anything happens. He's been running gasers to get in shape.
LBC_Justin
Rookie
Exascor said:
My point is people need to get off the back of Casserly. I have no problem with people being critical but they are being OVERLY critical. He has found the Texans several "gems" in the later rounds. Mathis(4th), D. Davis(4th) and Henson(6th) were OUTSTANDING picks just to name a few.
Compared to most of the other NFL teams we have done a decent job in the Draft especially in the first round and rounds four through six. Bottom line is there is A TON of things people could criticize Casserly on but the draft is not the place to go. Plus, we are then making the assumption that those were casserly's picks and not Capers. I would bet anything that Babin and Peek were Capers guys.
BTW...
Morency has similar stats to D. Davis. So if he Morency isn't productive than neither is D. Davis.
Gaffney was a free agent and left on his own. (Wasn't worth keeping anyways, the best we could have hoped for is that he would have become an average #2 receiver.)
Peek and Babin picks were known gambles even at the time because they were tweeners that would be changing positions and if you want to get one of those tweener types you have to gamble or the guy won't be there. I don't consider either a bust yet. Babin came on real strong in the last few games last season. This year will be very telling about these two.
P-Buc - This guy is not a great player but he is not a horrible player either. He has yet to play behind a decent D-line. Once the pass rush gets going I think people's attitude on him will change in a hurry.
vtech9
All Pro
In all honesty, this move worries me more than just about all of the Texans moves in the past. I liked Ragone, and don't think he got a fair chance the last 3 years. Now the reason for my worry is this.... My brother has been a Dolphin fan since he was a kid (I have turned him into a Texan fan, but he still follows the Dolphins), and when we go to watch the Texans games, he has to have the Dolphins game on so he can watch it too. I would try not to watch any of the Dolphins game, but it was inevitable to see a little.
I didn't like Banks, but I knew that he was at least capable if needed. When the Texans cut Banks I wasn't worried, because I had faith that Ragone was capable if Carr went down. Now Ragone is gone.
My point of all this is that even though I tried not to pay attention to the Dolphins games, I still saw Sage play. Let me just say that I wasn't impressed...At all. I am very worried that Carr might get hurt and we have to depend on Sage. I don't know how else to say it. This scares me.
I didn't like Banks, but I knew that he was at least capable if needed. When the Texans cut Banks I wasn't worried, because I had faith that Ragone was capable if Carr went down. Now Ragone is gone.
My point of all this is that even though I tried not to pay attention to the Dolphins games, I still saw Sage play. Let me just say that I wasn't impressed...At all. I am very worried that Carr might get hurt and we have to depend on Sage. I don't know how else to say it. This scares me.
TexanFan881
All Pro
LBC_Justin said:
I agree with everything you've said...except this.
How can you say that Morency has similar stats than DD. Look at each's stats:
DD
230 Carries, 972 Yards, 2 TDs, 4.2 YPC
39 Catches, 337 Yards, 4 TDs, 8.6 YPC
Morency
46 Carries, 184 Yards, 2 TDs, 4.0 YPC
10 Catches, 87 Yards, 0 TDs, 8.7 YPC
Sure, the averages look good. But the only reason you can even compare them is because Morency played against the 49ers and DD was not healthy for every game. DD probably could have atleast rushed for 150 yards against the 49ers if he started. And you can't say he is as good because he didn't get to start because he didn't start for a reason and that's because DD is better.
the wonger need food
All Pro
With Jabar gone, I guess that makes Lord the super emergency QB.
TexanFan881
All Pro
shonuff said:
He could have been considering the Vikes could use a QB, but if he was the "offered player" I don't think we would have released him.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
vtech9 said:
Welcome to my cone of silence. Kubiak has done a great job in my opinion with the off season and he exceeded my expectations exponentially. Kubiak's greatest value is on the field in my opinion and he likes Carr and Sage. I cannot tell you how much I hate those moves, but he is the coach and I cannot disagree with his experienced evaluation, that is until around the mid season.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Kaiser Toro said:
Kubiak really likes Carr. I think everyone has under estimated Carr, because Carr was doing exactly what the previous coaching staff wanted him to do. Hard to believe, but I honestly believe that is the case. There will be a night and day diffrence between Carr from the past and Carr in the future. You are right in saying though we will know early on whether that is the case or not.
Don't under estimate either how bad our receiver cores were either. Putting two #1 receivers out their will make a big difference. We should stop the other team more and get a few more possessions and that will make a difference in addition to everything else we are doing.
Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. Its going to be a long one...........
GP
Go Texans!
vtech9 said:
How many Steeler fans were as worried when they picked up Tommy Maddox? That was a strange move. And not that Maddox delivered them to a Super Bowl, but he did awfully well for a time.
I think it's possible that any number of sleeper QBs are out there just ready to thrive in the perfect environment. Tom Brady might not have done so well if he had been on any of the other NFL teams rather than on the Pats....who would Brady be if he didn't get into that perfect fit for him?
I think that's why the NFL is such a force right now with fans and with revenue that its generating. We love to see the Kurt Warners and the Jake Delhommes of the world come out and shock us.
Maybe Sage is one of those guys. I agree he's not been overwhelming as-to-date, but "what if?"
I like to take a glass-is-half-full approach. Problem with my philosophy, under the Capers regime, was that he kept guys like Bradford out there for a lot longer than he should have. With Kubiak, I sense that players have a very short window to show they belong. Thus, it's easier to trust that you can be positive about a move such as cutting Ragone when you think that Kubiak's more willing to pull the trigger on Sage than Capers would have been.
Nobody's job is safe at Reliant anymore, and that's GOOD for the fans. It translates well into a team willing to pull its load for its own benefit, and not just giving the minimum amount of effort and "Yes sirs" to stick around.
How many of our players, who are now cut, were only here (under Capers) because they knew how to play the system? I would bet the answer is "quite a few."
GP
Go Texans!
Kaiser Toro said:
Don't come limping back to the Carr camp. You just took a big step backward off your anti-Carr stance, and I hope it doesn't become a backpedal. (just kidding!).
Carr's biggest mistake is that he was a company man, and that he followed the leader and did what the coach told him.
His biggest achievement was that he was , and is, a company man. That kind of attitude makes you a winner even if you lose. When the chips were down, Carr tried to be a stand-up guy about it all. He began to lose it, but he recovered pretty well. I was right there in the mix of the anti-Carr posts on this board at the beginning of the 2005 season, and the guy grew on me as time went by. Especially when we knew we'd get Kubiak as our coach.
Go Texans!
Revolution
Rookie
gpshafer_1976 said:
Trust me, it will be a full speed sprint when Carr shows what he can do with a good coaching staff and another weapon besides AJ.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
gpshafer_1976 said:
Don't come limping back to the Carr camp. You just took a big step backward off your anti-Carr stance, and I hope it doesn't become a backpedal. (just kidding!).
Carr's biggest mistake is that he was a company man, and that he followed the leader and did what the coach told him.
His biggest achievement was that he was , and is, a company man. That kind of attitude makes you a winner even if you lose. When the chips were down, Carr tried to be a stand-up guy about it all. He began to lose it, but he recovered pretty well. I was right there in the mix of the anti-Carr posts on this board at the beginning of the 2005 season, and the guy grew on me as time went by. Especially when we knew we'd get Kubiak as our coach.
Go Texans!
I have no reason to come back to the Carr camp. As a fan I just need Carr to add some value to the offense per his hit on the cap. Pre season matters, especially this one.
Company man? Rarely applicable in the industry of professional sports. Of course he would love that type of job security. All I am asking is for him to provide some value.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Revolution said:
And you think that because of the great performance to date?
Hulk75
Veteran
We understand he sucks and has not lived up to his money, we get it.Kaiser Toro said:
Come on man dont just throw everything out the window that he and the ENTIRE TEAM has had to go through. Thoose last couple years have been trails and tribulations, EVERY guy that has been on this team for the last couple years are smarter and better at what they do.
Call it RE-GRESSING or what ever that word is, but this teams performance has suffered by what they have been taught, this game has more to do with the scheme then anything else.
Like Walsh(i think) said I can take my team and beat you with them, then I can take your team and beat you with them.
Players responsible, sure but not as much as you think. I am a coach and know it from there and I have been on both sides of the gate, a player with bad coaching and a player with great coaching it makes A HUUUUGE difference, I learned more from my coach that knew everything about my possition then the coach I had before for 3 years. The good coach got me a scholarship.
Excusses NO these are Facts.
TwinSisters
Veteran
The Bum... although that most likely means the saying was floating around much longer.