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QB Dave Ragone Waived

Vinny

Vinny

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I just got the news from the Texans that David Ragone has been waived. You heard it here first (we try to give you MB guys the early scoop), and will see the update on the site later today. That's all I really know right now, but I received permission to post this as Dave has been contacted and such.
 
Vinny said:
I just got the news from the Texans that David Ragone has been waived. You heard it here first (we try to give you MB guys the early scoop), and will see the update on the site later today. That's all I really know right now, but I received permission to post this as Dave has been contacted and such.
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Permission from who? How do you know this, what are your sources? I believe you, i'm just curious.
 
Quite a house cleaning going on around here.

Kubiak obviously bringing his kind of player in to fit his system.

I hope Ragone catches on somewhere quickly.

I respect that they are keeping there word and getting rid of guys as soon as they know they don't want them therefore giving the players the best opportunity to find employment.
 
Sportsfan said:
Permission from who? How do you know this, what are your sources? I believe you, i'm just curious.
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I run this site (mb). Nick put the story up just now anyway. You guys only got a teeny scoopage today.
 
I don't know it myself, but I always thought Dave never did get a good opportunity to prove his metal with the Texans. :twocents:
 
man Kube's is really shakeing things up around here Competition is gonna be fierce because nobody's job is safe anymore ......i like it
 
Vinny said:
I run this site (mb). Nick put the story up just now anyway. You guys only got a teeny scoopage today.
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Oh, ok. Cool man. Was just curious. Thought maybe you knew someone in the FO or something. Good job w/the site by the way. Cheers
 
Texan Asylum said:
Vinny, I think he meant permission to release the info.:)
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Nick called me (not that it really matters who did - but thanks to Nick for handing out breaking news to us mb guys), but I won't post any bogus rumor since I run the site and I'm supposed to be responsible for it. I wouldn't do anything to get myself kicked out of here.
 
B.Diddy said:
man Kube's is really shakeing things up around here Competition is gonna be fierce because nobody's job is safe anymore ......i like it
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Just the ones he drafted or acquired in FA since he got here a few months ago.
 
I'm guessing we did this because Quinton Porter and/or Matt Baker have done well so far. He will probably end up being our 3rd string QB. Hopefully Dave gets a good shot somewhere else, as he has a lot of talent and he has shown that in NFLE.
 
This is kinda of scary because I read elsewhere that Rosenfels was having trouble getting the snap on his first two plays after taking over for Carr the other day.

This is one area where we don't have a great deal of veteran depth.
 
wags said:
So who's our third string QB?
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Mathis and the top secret Texans counter option program

Seriously though... there are 95 active on the roster. We have two rookies Baker and Porter. I like Porter better, but I have never seen the other guy.
 
wags said:
I feel more comfortable riding shotgun with Ted Kennedy than letting Porter QB.
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LOL! Well hopefully we will never see a 3rd string QB running the ship. Besides that Vinny is still out on the wire... if it came down to it, just hand him a helmet.
 
I didn't like the Ragone pick. We had Carr and using a 3rd round pick on a back up seemed wasteful on a young team like ours. I did hope he could provide us with some competetion for Carr and at least some security if Carr got injured.

Bottom line, another wasted 3rd round pick. :twocents:
 
B.Diddy said:
man Kube's is really shakeing things up around here Competition is gonna be fierce because nobody's job is safe anymore ......i like it
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...except for Carr---no competition, ain't goin' nowhere
 
Wow! Another brilliant Casserly move down the toliet. We had so many other needs, and we drafted a QB that we waive after 3 yrs. Is it any wonder why we were 2-14 last year? Where is Casserly right now? I want to talk to that wascaly wabbitt. :hunter:
 
Hopefully he gets reunited with Linehan in St. Louis. He deserves a real shot.
 
Also heard this on 610 at about 3:45 ish. They dropped it in during a break when they were talking with TMack... Nick mentioned to me earlier this week that he wanted to start breaking news on the message board in addition to the front page since there's usually a quite a few people hanging out here all the time. I think that's a great idea.

As far as Ragone, I'm sure he's through kicking himself for not coming out a year earlier. Would have meant a higher draft position and maybe a more favorable situation for him than this wasteland for three years. But HEY you can never have enough quarterbacks SEE...
 
Tex Trenches said:
Who's Dave Ragone?
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3rd string QB who we drafted in the 3rd round a few years ago...good in NFL Europe...hasn't really done much for us yet but could have competed for the #2 QB position.
 
I guess that means Lord has another position option again. Just kidding, I do like the kiddo though and I am pulling for him to stick.
 
Exascor said:
Bottom line, another wasted 3rd round pick. :twocents:
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Porky said:
Wow! Another brilliant Casserly move down the toliet. We had so many other needs, and we drafted a QB that we waive after 3 yrs. Is it any wonder why we were 2-14 last year? Where is Casserly right now? I want to talk to that wascaly wabbitt. :hunter:
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You guys are driving me crazy. Do you know what the odds are of a third round pick actually turning into a starter is. Not good.

Anything after the second round is a gamble at best. If you think Casserly has done a bad job in rounds 3 through 7 with our draft then you don't know jack**** about the NFL draft and you will NEVER be happy with any GM we ever hire. They can't all be starters they can't all make the team. If he was a 1st round pick i would be critical but he wasn't.

NFL Europe is where you send guys who at best you hope can make your team and add depth. period.
 
As much as I like the Coaching changes around here, I'm kinda sad to see Ragone leave. I'll be sad too the day Morency leaves (which a couple of people aroung here have suggested as of late).

Anywho, Back on track.. team sport... go muumuu, Wave flag, give em' hell :)
 
aj. said:
Nick mentioned to me earlier this week that he wanted to start breaking news on the message board in addition to the front page since there's usually a quite a few people hanging out here all the time. I think that's a great idea.
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I've been noticing news coming out here on the boards alot lately, I like it and yes, please let it continue! :)
 
kcwilson said:
I guess that tells everyone the value of NFL Europe.
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Exactly. That ought to be a real eye-opener for "give Ragone a chance" crowd. NFL Europe doesn't mean squat. Ragone was pitiful, a total waste of a pick.
 
Tex Trenches said:
Who's Dave Ragone?
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As posted by Master Pro, NedBigB about a week ago and I awhile back here's Matt Baker sounds good to me. I believe I read somewhere that the Kube and coaches had been checking him out while his son Kline who plays for Colorado then played UNC while Matt was there.
Three sleepers for the NFL draft
by Ken Becks


Matt Baker

Position: QB
Number: 07
School: North Carolina
Height: 6'3
Status: Senior
Weight: 210

-He is a player at the quarterback position that show serious upside toward the future.

-He has good size, with a nice sturdy build to him, he is an above average athlete with good mobility for the position, which allows him to extend passing plays for his receivers, that otherwise may not have been possible without his mobility.

-He shows nice poise, and composure in the pocket under pressure, who has a quick release and tight spiral, with good foot placement when throwing the ball, with a willingness to stand strong in the pocket, and take the hit to complete passes.

-With his mobility he becomes a dual threat to defenders as well, he may not run for significant yardage on scrambles, but he keeps defenses honest, and he throws well on the run, preferring to throw first, keeping his eyes down field for a possible completion.

-Another aspect of his game that has me high on him is competitive attitude, despite being on a team with a losing record, that shows me he has the internal passion for the game I look for.

-He needs to become a better decision maker with some of his throws, which have lead into unecessary interceptions, but with grooming and patience from the right pro team, his upside could be off the charts down the road.


http://www.betus.com/sports-betting/...epers-1897.asp
 
3rd round picks are important, you dont use them on someone you hope never plays.

This is only really shocking and and upsetting if your a message board gm/coach that was in love with Ragone.

Ragone is slow and akward, not traits of a Kubiak QB

"That backup QB is always the most popular guy in town"
 
LBC_Justin said:
You guys are driving me crazy. Do you know what the odds are of a third round pick actually turning into a starter is. Not good.

Anything after the second round is a gamble at best. If you think Casserly has done a bad job in rounds 3 through 7 with our draft then you don't know jack**** about the NFL draft and you will NEVER be happy with any GM we ever hire. They can't all be starters they can't all make the team. If he was a 1st round pick i would be critical but he wasn't.

NFL Europe is where you send guys who at best you hope can make your team and add depth. period.
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Frankly...the entire draft is a gamble. I don't expect 2nd or 3rd round picks to be starters or even all make the team but as an expansion team, most of them should be quality depth. It's not like the Texans were full of talent. We really should have had at least one starter out of all our 3rd round picks given our roster. I don't blame Casserly, I blame the entire staff including Capers.
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2nd & 3rd Round Picks From 2002 - 2005
2002
2a Gaffney - No Longer On Team
2b Pitts - Starter
3a Weary - Weak Depth
3b Hill - Never Made Roster

2003
2 Joppru - Injured (Not a Bad Pick)
3a Peek - So Far Not Much Shown
3b Wand - Known Project Pick
3c Ragone - No Longer With Team

2004
2b,3 Trade for Babin ate 2nd and 3rd Round Picks
2a Hollings - Drafted in 2003 Sup with a 2nd Round Pick and No Longer With Team

2005
2,3a Trade for Buchanon ate 2nd and 3rd Round Picks
3b Morency - So Far Hasn't Produced Much
--------------------------------------------

Not an impressive list.
 
Another example of Capers' incompetence. The writing was on the wall when they signed Rosenfels. I'm surprised they kept him around for as long as they did.
 
"...sure, Dave (fingers crossed), we'll give you a shot at the #2 spot...nottttttttttttttttttttttt, gotcha!"
 
LBC_Justin said:
You guys are driving me crazy. Do you know what the odds are of a third round pick actually turning into a starter is. Not good.

Anything after the second round is a gamble at best. If you think Casserly has done a bad job in rounds 3 through 7 with our draft then you don't know jack**** about the NFL draft and you will NEVER be happy with any GM we ever hire. They can't all be starters they can't all make the team. If he was a 1st round pick i would be critical but he wasn't.

NFL Europe is where you send guys who at best you hope can make your team and add depth. period.
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Wow, wow, wow...

Probably as a league average 3rd rounders and later don't start or contribute, but I think the teams that are alway successful make those picks work better than we have.

I really need to research this, because I have feeling that New England, Denver, and Pittsburgh draft a lot better in rounds 3 through 7 than the rest of the league.
 
edo783 said:
Something along those lines is most likely what caused the change.
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I remember reading something last year about Ragone not being a very good practice player. I also seem to recall hearing something like that when he was over in Europe. The sad thing is that I heard that Sage WAS a pretty good practice player with the Dolphins, but just couldn't play up to the same level.
 
best to cut Dave free now and let both parties move forward, nothing useful in hanging on to a player with no future with that team. good luck Dave, hope you can catch on somewhere :thumbup

another point to be made is Kubiak does have some QB experience and he has his own idea about the type of player he wants to develop. Nobody is mentioning undrafted free agent Matt Baker QB North Carolina. maybe they caught some valueable footage of Mario chasing him around and liked what they saw so they brought him in for a tryout (North Carolina 31 ... NC State 24). then he impressed them with his pocket presence, throwing motion, accuracy, ability to scramble & throw on the run.

Matt Baker Position: QB School: North Carolina Height: 6'3 Weight: 210

-He is a player at the quarterback position that show serious upside toward the future.

-He has good size, with a nice sturdy build to him, he is an above average athlete with good mobility for the position, which allows him to extend passing plays for his receivers, that otherwise may not have been possible without his mobility.

-He shows nice poise, and composure in the pocket under pressure, who has a quick release and tight spiral, with good foot placement when throwing the ball, with a willingness to stand strong in the pocket, and take the hit to complete passes.

-With his mobility he becomes a dual threat to defenders as well, he may not run for significant yardage on scrambles, but he keeps defenses honest, and he throws well on the run, preferring to throw first, keeping his eyes down field for a possible completion.

-Another aspect of his game that has me high on him is competitive attitude, despite being on a team with a losing record, that shows me he has the internal passion for the game I look for.

-He needs to become a better decision maker with some of his throws, which have lead into unecessary interceptions, but with grooming and patience from the right pro team, his upside could be off the charts down the road.


http://www.betus.com/sports-betting/Three_sleepers-1897.asp
 
"You guys are driving me crazy. Do you know what the odds are of a third round pick actually turning into a starter is. Not good."

This is a pretty 'bold' statement. Do you have anything to back it up? I seriously doubt that the NFL would be much to watch with just 2 rounds in a draft. If you're one of those people that believe in building a team through the draft and -based on your premise- you can only get 'quality' players in the first 2 rounds, your first draft picks will be 'retired' before you assemble a team. There are close to 2000 players in the NFL each year and the teams avg about 64 picks in the first 2 rounds. A team needs good picks in later rounds! You're saying that most of the 22 plus starters on a team are drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds--how is that mathmatically possible?
 
Good luck Dave. Hope this early cut means he can catch on somewhere else, given his NFL Europe stuff.

Personally, I don't care for backups being left handed QBs. Your offenses are all timing, and you want someone to step in that is not too different from your starter.

Dave is one of those ambidextrous types--throws left handed, golfs right handed.

Competition is great for the team but it is going to be hard seeing some of the guys cut. I know some folks don't get too attached to any particular players and are all about the game, but for me, it is more fun to watch the game when you know more about the guys who play.
 
I have been giving Cass a lot of love on his way out, but this in my opinion was one of his biggest bone head moves.

Best of luck to Ragone, I wish we would have never known ya.
 
I like Dave a lot. But a lot of you are acting like we're screwed because we lost our 3rd string QB. Hopefully it won't come down to us needing to use our 3rd stringer. Matt Baker and Quinton Porter will be fine and if we really feel we are at such a loss with Ragone we can sign a veteran QB in free agency still. And with everything Kubes has down so far, I wouldn't be suprised if that was the case.
 
TexanFan881 said:
I like Dave a lot. But a lot of you are acting like we're screwed because we lost our 3rd string QB. Hopefully it won't come down to us needing to use our 3rd stringer. Matt Baker and Quinton Porter will be fine and if we really feel we are at such a loss with Ragone we can sign a veteran QB in free agency still. And with everything Kubes has down so far, I wouldn't be suprised if that was the case.
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I think more people projected Ragone in the 2nd spot and are more concerned about Sage as a QB. Of course, the premise of our offense will depend upon sound effective QB play. With all we've added to the offense with new players and coaches, we should expect great results from our QBs this season.
 
tsip said:
As posted by Master Pro, NedBigB about a week ago and I awhile back here's Matt Baker sounds good to me. I believe I read somewhere that the Kube and coaches had been checking him out while his son Kline who plays for Colorado then played UNC while Matt was there.
Three sleepers for the NFL draft
by Ken Becks


Matt Baker

Position: QB
Number: 07
School: North Carolina
Height: 6'3
Status: Senior
Weight: 210

-He is a player at the quarterback position that show serious upside toward the future.

-He has good size, with a nice sturdy build to him, he is an above average athlete with good mobility for the position, which allows him to extend passing plays for his receivers, that otherwise may not have been possible without his mobility.

-He shows nice poise, and composure in the pocket under pressure, who has a quick release and tight spiral, with good foot placement when throwing the ball, with a willingness to stand strong in the pocket, and take the hit to complete passes.

-With his mobility he becomes a dual threat to defenders as well, he may not run for significant yardage on scrambles, but he keeps defenses honest, and he throws well on the run, preferring to throw first, keeping his eyes down field for a possible completion.

-Another aspect of his game that has me high on him is competitive attitude, despite being on a team with a losing record, that shows me he has the internal passion for the game I look for.

-He needs to become a better decision maker with some of his throws, which have lead into unecessary interceptions, but with grooming and patience from the right pro team, his upside could be off the charts down the road.
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Yeah...Matt Baker is the Answer. His 2 fumbles and 1 interception 4 sacks against LOUISVILLE were impressive when he led them to a 69-14 loss. He is a STUD!!!!
 
bingbing said:
Yeah...Matt Baker is the Answer. His 2 fumbles and 1 interception 4 sacks against LOUISVILLE were impressive when he led them to a 69-14 loss. He is a STUD!!!!
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...sorry, but I didn't post the Baker comments
 
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