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Prospects Texans are considering in the first round (reported by ESPN)
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Bring on Meuiluga. Best LB out of the bunch. I'd take Meuiluga over all of those guys. Maybin would be nice to have as well.
prostock101
Mr. Big
Why are we not looking hard at this guy? Laurinaitis looks like the real deal. I see everyone slobbering over the USC bunch but why not him?
http://profootball.scout.com/2/858071.html
http://profootball.scout.com/2/858071.html
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Levitre would be great, especially if he fell to the 3rd.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
I believe that we should go ahead and trade out of the 1st round completely and pickup more 2nd and 3rd round picks since we've been successful in finding better quality talented players not in the 1st round.
The Texans have had him in for a visit. Who knows which of these guys the Texans really like?
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
texasguy346
Mod Squad
I'm thinking we trade back with the Eagles. I'm guessing they'll take Moreno or perhaps Jenkins.
TimeKiller
Guest
Even Maybin I could handle but Ayers? C'mon that's a 2nd round DE who soared up in the last month, I'd rather take Michael Johnson at 15 than Ayers. Laurianitis was a top 10 pick supposedly last year so I'd be happy with that selection too.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Unless a outrageously talented shut down corner or safety falls to us at the 15th spot, I agree.
This makes the most sense and I agree completely. New England has three 2nd round picks if we trade #15 to them for #34 and #47, the trade point value works out almost perfectly. This would give them two 1st round picks and we'd then have three 2nd round picks. I'd love it.
JayCee
Waterboy
Mr 'X' from PFT has us taking Rey, over Orakpo - who falls to New England!
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/20/the-first-mr-x-mock-draft/
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Maualuga... that's interesting. On this team he would be nothing more than our MLB which means Demeco would move to the outside. On passing downs, I can't see Rey staying on the field when we have Adibi, June and Demeco. So we draft a 2 down MLB at #15? i'm not buying it. We'd get much better value taking a MLB later if that's what we're looking for. Or... I'd rather move Diles inside as a backup to Demeco and us take an OLB.
Maybin... I'm very skeptical about all these similar type players. I'm no where near convinced he could be a 4-3 olb (MAYBe a 3-4 olb though but we don't run that). so i'm assuming he'd be situational pass rushing de for us? Anything short of a dwight freeney at #15 and i'd be dissappointed for such a play limited player.
I could actually get on board more with Ayers. I was a fan earlier of trading down and taking him in the 1st. With the signing of Antonio Smith, I don't feel DE is near the need it was. With that said, Ayers could develop into a great DE opposite Mario. if Smith moves inside on passing downs then ayers would come in. Start off as a situational pass rusher and come in to relieve smith on other downs... then develop into a full time DE? I'd like this better than a DE/OLB hybrid.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Yeah didn't you get the word, Rey Maualuga is the second coming of Dick butkis. Able to leap tall buildings with a single bound....who knows maybe Demeecos ankle is chornic. They're not going to re up him they are going to dump him.
Wolf
100% Texan
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I don't like the idea of drafting any of those guys at #15. If we traded back then I could deal with one of the OLB's. If we stay at #15 then the only guys I am looking at are CB Malcolm Jenkins & RB Chris Wells.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I doubt that will happen now as they traded one of their first rounders for LT Peters from the Bills.
These are all defensive players that the Texans are showing interest in, mostly pass rushing type of guys. I would love Everette Brown in the first to have a pass rushing DE to compliment our bigger strong-side type of defensive ends. It all depends on how comfortable we feel with grabbing a guy that is going to rush most of the time. Maybin and Brown will probably be situational pass rushers for this team in their rookie year if we draft them. I think a Antonio Smith, Mario Williams, and Everette Brown combination would be a scary young group of ends.
It's looking more and more to me like one of these defensive ends is going to fall to us at 15. I wouldn't be opposed to Tyson Jackson or Robert Ayers, but they are strong-side defensive ends and I feel that we are set at that position for the next 3+ years.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Vinny you would be the first one with the pitch fork out to run the guy out of town once you figured out the guy is not going to cover anyone in space. I guess he could look tough trailing Chris Johnson or MoJo on their way to the end zone ? And why in the fricken world would you spend a day one pick on a two down LB ? Makes absolutely no sense to me , but what ever.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I see this draft as pretty reasonable until you get to Washington. Then that's when the whole table turns on the draft. I sure wish The Texans would bring Knoshawn and Beanie in for a visit because if this is how it unfolded, many teams could see us drafting either one of them and would try to jump ahead of us or trade down with us.
I'm not going to lie though, a little part of me would be upset if we didn't get Moreno. I know we have good reasons for not getting him but he's pretty darn good.
I'm not going to lie though, a little part of me would be upset if we didn't get Moreno. I know we have good reasons for not getting him but he's pretty darn good.
P
Polo
Guest
What defensive player are you sold on them coming in, starting and being a 3 down player ? Orakpo? Maybin? Clay? Jenkins? Raji? Who?
I think any defensive player we get will have more of an impact in future seasons vs. the one we're about to play.
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threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
In '09....from September, no one. But I believe Sidbury, Barwin and Mathews shouldn't take very long to catch Maualuga. and I believe Jenkins will be on the pine until October. And if you were going to do this...take a two down tough guy...hold your water and take Jasper Brinkley with a four.....get the same player, same production at half the cost.
And all of this is moot. They are not moving or trading Demeco. And Maualuga can't play on the out side in a 4-3.
TimeKiller
Guest
I think Ayers is a prospect who got a surge at the right time. Not that he's not talented just fortunate in the way of timing.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
FWIW, Mayock now has him #3 in his top 20 overall. He's now rated the top defensive prospect in the draft.
To me, that says he's got some skill, but it also lets me know how poor this years 1st round talent is. I pray to the good Lord that we trade back in this 1st round no matter what. I don't care if we only receive a 3rd...do it!
There's also the possibility that Mayock just got a case of manlove, again!
So now he's saying that Ayers is even safer than his old love Curry? LOL!
I understand he said that he might have to eat his words a couple years down the road. On this end, I would agree with him. The odd is not very good when you put all your eggs in one basket.
The only slight possibility I see is a safety starting for us day one.
Patrick Chung or William Moore sumthing like that, if they decide they want a rover type like with Jason Simmons.
Keep in mind that Simmons was around 5'9 - 200 lbs on our opening day in 07.
Or if I have my say, I will start Rashad Johnson so y'all can laugh at me!
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Dick Butkus couldn't cover Chris Johnson either so I guess he wouldn't make your team. This team needs some serious attitude and a bona fide run stopper/enforcer type. Weren't you one of the guys making fun of the Tacks taking Chris Johnson last year? I don't see us taking him but I'm not going to think the pick won't make us a better team.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't really see what Cato June or Adibi have to do with it. Rey won't play WLB. He would play either MLB or SLB for us. Both Cato June and Adibi play WLB.
this kind of discussion brings to mind something I've been thinking about off and on for the past couple of weeks... I just don't see an "automatic starter" in this draft. Not one that will be still available at #15. Not like Mario was or Amobi was or even Duane Brown was last year - where the coaches just hand them a spot and say "its yours to lose".
Is Matthews or even Cushing no-doubt-about-it better than a healthy Diles/June in the SAM spot? I dunno...
Is Malcolm Jenkins (or Vontae Davis who I like better) - if he falls to us - a no-doubt starter over Reeves? And do we pay him #15 money - when he ain't played a single NFL snap - and not pay Dunta?
Even if Orakpo lands in our lap, would we move Smith inside so Orakpo could start at LE??
I guess my point is, I sure hope we can trade down because I can't see where there's any real bang for the buck this year at #15.
Is Matthews or even Cushing no-doubt-about-it better than a healthy Diles/June in the SAM spot? I dunno...
Is Malcolm Jenkins (or Vontae Davis who I like better) - if he falls to us - a no-doubt starter over Reeves? And do we pay him #15 money - when he ain't played a single NFL snap - and not pay Dunta?
Even if Orakpo lands in our lap, would we move Smith inside so Orakpo could start at LE??
I guess my point is, I sure hope we can trade down because I can't see where there's any real bang for the buck this year at #15.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
As much as I would like Rey Rey, I don't think the Texans covet LB very much. I think if they did, Patrick Willis would be lining up next to DeMeco right now.
Take Clay in the second where he belongs please
Take Clay in the second where he belongs please
Yes you pay the #15 pick #15 money - and inherently a draft pick has never played a single NFL snap. Would you prefer a lesser player who is a poor fit for the team? Guess what, they still won't have played a NFL snap and you still have to pay them #15 money. (Unless you just refuse to sign him, basically forfeiting the draft pick for nothing. THAT will please the fan base!)
As for this Dunta not getting payed nonsense - he's getting $9.97 Million for one year! BOO HOO! That's more than he deserves but he had the Texans over a barrel by refusing the $23 Million contract - they either had to franchise him or lose him as a free agent. If my employee pays me $10 Million for my entire career I would be happy not whining.
On defense, I agree. However, I think there are still OL possibilities that would be automatic starters, despite the performance of last year's line. I think Oher would start (thought at which position, I'm not sure), and could conceivably be there at 15. Plus, I think players like Unger and Mack would come in as automatic starters (and would actually only be drafted later than #15). That's part of why I'm personally hoping for OL with our first (or maybe second) pick - I think we can get an automatic starter.
Agreed - I think that's the best option, but I'm not sure we'll find a trading partner.
barrett
All Pro
Excellent angle, (cuz I agree). I also don't see the "starter impact player guy" for us. unless it's interior OLine. I'd prefer one of the C/G's. After re-watching the season I was very impressed with Briesel by the end of the year butMeyers is the weakest link. However if we somehow ended up drafting a RT (i recognize this player probably isn't available at 15) that was an upgrade over Winston as a pass blocker and he slid inside and Briesel was depth WOW, would we be in good shape for the ZBS on 4 of the 7 important OLine positions. (The extra two positions being swing Tackle and swing G/C). I would be extatic if that's what we did at 15. Not because it's a greater need than Defense, but because it's a better value I believe.
Otherwise... get me the hell out of the 1st round and gimmie some 2's and 3's!
Otherwise... get me the hell out of the 1st round and gimmie some 2's and 3's!
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I don't want him with pick 15 either but I agree with you. After all, if we have a potent offense, our defense is very good against the run and can pressure the passer, I think that I can live with the fact that their is a window about 20 yards downfield between our safeties for the more athletic TEs.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
According to the newest version of the draft chart, an even trade would be :
#34, #47, #89 from NE for #15... If we could get something like that, I'd be thrilled!
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I mean...who exactly is our teams slobberknocker enforcer type run stopper? We have a bunch of finesse guys and a bunch of guys who are good gang tacklers outside of Mario and DeMeco...but no real 'attitude guy' who brings a big wallop and knocks people the blank out. We need our own new age version of Mr Mean. I won't cry if we take RM. I may tear up though.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Cushing- considered #2 overall LB in 4-3 scheme but dissaperars @ times in games, also with injury history
Matthews- pedigree & versatility more of a utility guy, maybe more a WLB?
Maualuga- aggressive ILb w/limited pass rush skills, recognition slow
Maybin- played DE @ Penn State but kicks outside in NFL w/+ length, raw but great instincts
Ayers- underperformer & inconsistant has size but lacks strength (18 bp)
I've already mocked Maybin in as the Texans pick #15. He has the body of an elite OLB, does not look like a DE. I think Bush would love to have him stand-up in the elephant role & spin inside off Mario shoulder. improving tackle technique, sideline to sideline speed better than thought, excellent work ethic, character is special, upside with this team & coaching staff well suited
I'd rather take Maybin at 15 than any of the USC LBs even though Maybin is the least likely to be an early starter and has the most downside. But he has the most upside and can make the biggest impact because he can absolutely rush the QB, and thats the area the Texans need to make an all-in committment to if they are to get to the playoffs.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
drewmar74
disgruntled
I understood where he was coming from. I think nunusguy is saying that Maybin has a lot of downside - more of a tweener, maybe doesn't fit, etc. but that he has a really high ceiling.
Lots of risk but, if everything shakes out, could net huge rewards.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Dick Butkus ran with Wrs before he hurt his knee(s). and what I know for a fact is that Maualuga never will. Attitude is one thing Vinny. Swallowing a heaping spoonful of white hot college hype is quite another. And I never saw criss johnson available in the second round. I didn't get the LT I wanted. But I did get a LT. The only position Maualuga could play for us is MLB. And that isn't happening.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Cushing- considered #2 overall LB in 4-3 scheme but dissaperars @ times in games, also with injury history
Matthews- pedigree & versatility more of a utility guy, maybe more a WLB?
Maualuga- aggressive ILb w/limited pass rush skills, recognition slow
Maybin- played DE @ Penn State but kicks outside in NFL w/+ length, raw but great instincts
Ayers- underperformer & inconsistant has size but lacks strength (18 bp)
I've already mocked Maybin in as the Texans pick #15. He has the body of an elite OLB, does not look like a DE. I think Bush would love to have him stand-up in the elephant role & spin inside off Mario shoulder. improving tackle technique, sideline to sideline speed better than thought, excellent work ethic, character is special, upside with this team & coaching staff well suited
And so far there is no indication Maybin.....that the guy can move .....or stand up. At 235 he has the best first step in the class. At 249....he can't move....at all.