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PROOF POSITIVE: Our team was badly coached by Capers (SI.com Carr article)

gpshafer_1976 said:
I've had it with the constant David Carr bashing.

It's all "opinion" until you read this quote from Bob McNair, he's that guy that kinda' runs the team and stuff. So listen up to what the boss man has to say about David Carr in an SI.com article (because it's the only opinion that COUNTS):

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Would you buy a used Carr from this man? Kubiak did, and McNair says that the six other head coaching candidates he interviewed after firing Capers in late December concurred that the quarterback was salvageable. Says the owner: "I asked all of them, 'Can he take us where we want to go?' And every one of them said, 'Absolutely.'"

SIX OTHER HEAD COACHING CANDIDATES SAID CARR WAS THE MAN FOR THE JOB.

Done.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2474430
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"Your Quarterback sucks...... he isn't playing as well as a 4 year player should... & that's taking into consideration that your offensive line play is the worst I've ever seen........ ever.

But he's got a strong arm..... doesn't make too many mistakes, and has a good attitude. I think I can work with him, and get him to a point, where he can take your team to a SuperBowl..... and considering his hero, Trent Dilfer, has won a SuperBowl, I see no reason to believe that David Carr can't win one as well.

I reitterate........ your QB sucks, but I think he is salvageable."

That's what salvageable means.

Vinny Testeverde is salvageable. Kitna is Salvageable.... Aaron Brooks is salvageable.


David Carr is salvageable.
 
Hulk75 said:
So Bob McNair was assuming these guys were telling him the truth, so there for those coaches were liars and were just trying to get a job? :confused:
I believe that Bob McNair is what he is and that is a straight forward owner and a trust worthy guy, so I have NO doubt that he would be looking for COACHES that act and have the same attributes.
I doubt they LIED to Bob McNair about the most important part of an organization.
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I never said McNair lied.

My point is PR management and there may be some doubt but they are sticking with the plan.
 
hollywood_texan said:
I never said McNair lied.

My point is PR management and there may be some doubt but they are sticking he is sticking with the plan.
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Okay.............:cool:
 
infantrycak said:
Yes. First, I am not as convinced as some of the folks around here that McNair made keeping Carr a pre-condition of employment. He certainly didn't to Dan Reeves. Not a snowballs chance McNair was 1000% convinced on Carr if Reeves didn't say Carr could get it done. McNair also really liked Capers--if Reeves had said the problem was the personnel starting with Carr--it isn't unlikely Capers would still be here and Casserly and Carr would be looking for new homes. As to the coaching candidates themselves you are all basically calling all of them liars--as if every one of them honestly believed Carr sucks (which is funny since that is the POV of most of the folks this theory comes from) but lied to get a job with an albatross hanging around their necks. Not buying the universal lie--most of these guys have had prior opportunities and will get more opportunities--the incentive to take an albatross laden team isn't as great as made out.
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Right now, David Carr is just like any other rookie in this league........ except he isn't a rookie...... imagine that he is Vince Young, after sitting on the bench for 4 years......... except he didn't sit on the bench for 4 years.

But that is basically what you have. Can Carr get it done?? maybe..... Kubiak is going to do his part...... then it's up to David. & if David can't get it done, then we have Sage Rosenfells....... who was also picked by Kubiak.
 
thunderkyss said:
Right now, David Carr is just like any other rookie in this league........ except he isn't a rookie...... imagine that he is Vince Young, after sitting on the bench for 4 years......... except he didn't sit on the bench for 4 years.

But that is basically what you have. Can Carr get it done?? maybe..... Kubiak is going to do his part...... then it's up to David. & if David can't get it done, then we have Sage Rosenfells....... who was also picked by Kubiak.
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See Spot walk. See Spot Run.

What did that have to do with anything I posted?
 
The arguments against my thread are getting more laughable by the moment.

Anybody with a pulse had a shot at being the head coach after the job Capers had done. They didn't have any need to "lie" to McNair and rubber stamp a guy (Carr) they thought McNair was in love with. Just showing up to the interview put them at a better spot than Capers had been at.

No person in their right mind is taking over a top managerial position without evaluating the personnel and getting the ability to shop for the ingredients they need in order to make the organization's dinner.

Again, some of you have your gripes about Carr and you won't see past the previous coaching staff enough to see that Carr isn't nearly as worthy of your hate as you've been putting on him.

I'll leave it at this: He has a better shot at succeeding now than he's ever had. Previously, whatvere success he DID have was on his own merits, his own abilities as a guy going against 11 people pretty much by himself just as the TV commercial had portrayed. He stuck it out, stayed true to YOU by not demanding a trade, and he gets your hate.

I'm going to be loving it when he does end up succeeding...the back pedaling by some of you should be enjoyable to watch. And if he doesn't succeed, he's still going to get a shot for one more year. But honestly, with what we've seen, heard, etc., do you reallllllllllllly think that he's not going to perform leaps and bounds better than any of the previous seasons?

I tend to think he will. Six other HC's tended to think he will, as well.
 
This whole Carr discussion is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]


I agree.....

David Carr needs two things.....

1. A TRUE NFL quality offensive line... no more discarded free agents with bogus physicals or journeyman backup offensive tackles...

AND

2. A really competent mental health professional who can help him deal with the lack of confidence that he has in himself.. and the lack of confidence he has in his offensive line, based on their past perfomances.

How many times has he been sacked since he got here?? Given his experience with the Texans, I don't blame him for being a little gun shy about some 295 lb defensive player coming in from his blind side.

He is lucky he hasn't been badly injured... or turned into another "Rick Mier" from the Seahawks....
 
FirstTexansFan said:
I say we take all of these supposed fans, and trade them for a 7th round draft pick...:)
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But then we have to go through the hassle of finding a trading partner again...you know, kind of like the #1 overall this year?
 
infantrycak said:
See Spot walk. See Spot Run.

What did that have to do with anything I posted?
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I don't know....... looks like I hit the wrong quote button or something........

well that's my story anyway.
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0606/gallery.qbhotlist/content.6.html

The Texans easily could have drafted a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick and not paid Carr an $8 million bonus, but management thinks he has more talent than he's shown in his four-year career. The top pick in the 2002 draft, Carr hasn't developed any level of consistency. If the QB can get it going quickly under new coach Gary Kubiak, the Texans will be in business.

Found this online a few minutes ago and thought I should share.

:redtowel:
 
yay, a new David Carr thread! I was getting worried because the last one was falling to page two. ;)

But yeah, Coach Kubiak is trusting Carr to lead his offense on his first head coaching gig, so if you have faith in Kubiak's judgement, you've got to get behind our QB. DC has got potential, he's got issues, he's got it all. Hopefully the rest of the world gets to see what the coaches see in him this season. That means we'll be winning games!...never a bad thing. :howdy:
 
Double Barrel said:
yay, a new David Carr thread! I was getting worried because the last one was falling to page two. ;)

But yeah, Coach Kubiak is trusting Carr to lead his offense on his first head coaching gig, so if you have faith in Kubiak's judgement, you've got to get behind our QB. DC has got potential, he's got issues, he's got it all. Hopefully the rest of the world gets to see what the coaches see in him this season. That means we'll be winning games!...never a bad thing. :howdy:
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Yes but at least nothing about DC 's hair , I never knew how many hair stylists were Texans fans!
:redtowel:
 
ya its pretty crazy how much publicity his haircuts get ... zack weigart thinks he looks like a european model:cool:
 
Hair is the most vital component of any football player. Just ask Bosworth. Where would he be without that fab do? John Riggins would be page two without the mohawk. Dikta would be buttkus ( or Butkus would be dictkus ) without that sharp crew do. Jerry Rice dropped the stylish Jordan-cut for corn rows and subsequently was put out to the farm.

:stirpot:

Next it will be his finger nails. They might be too long and effect his throwing motion or the strange side arm delivery. It's not like quarterbacks haven't used it since at least the 60's... speaking of which.. maybe the whole team needs to start growing Lamberts and have Kubiak knock out half of their front teeth.

http://www.mcmillenandwife.com/images/lambert_si_cover.jpg

It made one dynasty already. He already has the Belichick sweater going.

Or maybe we will have to talk about having Carr's finger nails surgically removed, so that he doesn't have to worry about it so much.

after that we can talk about how much water and what food he should be eating before a game. 15 minutes a quarter, two quarters, and a whole host of TV timeouts is a long time to hold it. Might have been effecting his play. Dom Capers was too much of a softy, letting them eat and drink so much Gatorade. Jeez what was he thinking?? Obviously proof that he is an idiot. Now Kubiak is a real coach. Blanking out the depth chart, benching the fatties, and taking away all their water until they get in shape. That's the way you do it.

:bomb:

OR

we can say:
The top pick in the 2002 draft, Carr hasn't developed any level of consistency. If the QB can get it going quickly under new coach Gary Kubiak, the Texans will be in business.
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: is pretty much true of any and every QB that ever played a game since 1907.

P.S.

Did I mention that we are going to need to talk about his family more too? Like Brett Favre and his pop, the Manning's, Simms, Barbers, McNabb's momma, and Kurt's wife.

So we talk about him
his family
his friends ( Dilfer )
his school
his grades
his paycheck
his job
his boss
his religion
his off time ( watching tapes at home )

and somehow talking about his hair is weird?

RrrrrIght.
 
The second best move in this early season was the addition of Mike Sherman which will slow the defense to less than 36 sacks for the ENTIRE season. With Kubiak, there will be a passing game and Shermans O line scheme will give Carr all he needs to be productive, Molds - Putzier, on paper ( all I can say for know ) we look like a 9 & 7 team, better if things fall our way from time to time.
We have great additions, and unlike last year, no large loses.

Respectabilty or bust.:twocents:
 
HARRYJ said:
When the Eagles pound Carr into the Turf should they bench him?:challenge
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I sure hope the coaches over there in eagle land are implemmenting a three step drop for McFlabb. Just pray that they aren't using the same one Capers and company used because it will be a long day for you guys with Mario licking his chops
 
Maybe I'll just make a sig bet with everybody on this board so I can come here after the game and make you all put "HarryJ is smarter then me" in your sig!
 
From Mr.McNair...............


"You can't throw the ball if you're lying on your back," McNair says. "In my mind people don't give David enough credit -- he got beat up time and time again and kept getting up off the mat and demonstrating his toughness. I expect our offensive line to improve, which means David's going to have more time to throw this year. And with Gary's scheme he's going to be getting the ball off quicker and rolling out and throwing on the run."
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Nice to here

Carr, in turn, has been more vocal than in the past, according to some of his teammates. "From what the guys tell me he's more confident than ever before," says veteran wideout Eric Moulds, whom the Texans regard as their key offseason acquisition on offense.
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Hulk75 said:
From Mr.McNair...............
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You're beating a dead horse around here. They will just have to jump back on David's bandwagon after the season starts.
 
"But the good news," says one former Texans official, "is that those days are finally over."

Wonder who that could be? How many former Texans officials are there?
 
I am growing more anxious everyday. In years past(with the exception of 2002) we already knew what we were getting minus a few acquisitions during the offseasons, but this year is like having a whole new franchise. New coaches, new player, new schemes equals one big, gigantic mystery. I can't wait to see where this team is going.
 
Great post!! I have always liked Carr. He has always had the talent to succeed, but hopefully it was the last coaching scheme that stalled him and not his ability. It's hard not to root for the guy. Every year he took a pounding and keeps coming right back. He's been nothing but a class act and I just hope he shows everyone that he was deserving of that first pick. I'm still rooting!!!
 
BigTimeTexanFan said:
Great post!! I have always liked Carr. He has always had the talent to succeed, but hopefully it was the last coaching scheme that stalled him and not his ability. It's hard not to root for the guy. Every year he took a pounding and keeps coming right back. He's been nothing but a class act and I just hope he shows everyone that he was deserving of that first pick. I'm still rooting!!!
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They've all had the talent to succeede...... they've all had bad coaching..... Tim Couch, Kelly Hollcomb, Charlie Batch, Joey Harrington, Jeff George, Kerry Collins. Man the list goes on & on..... what makes Carr any different than those has beens??
 
HARRYJ said:
Maybe I'll just make a sig bet with everybody on this board so I can come here after the game and make you all put "HarryJ is smarter then me" in your sig!
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Blah blah blah...ignorant jibberish from the city of brotherly puds.
 
HARRYJ said:
That's right, don't set your sites too high and you won't be too disappointed.:redtowel:
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Kinda like the Eagles?

Think about it, your #1 receiver couldn't even play for the Texans. Ha.
 
TEXANRED said:
Kinda like the Eagles?

Think about it, your #1 receiver couldn't even play for the Texans. Ha.
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Check the Eagles depth chart before you post, I refuse to do everything for you.
 
HARRYJ said:
Check the Eagles depth chart before you post, I refuse to do everything for you.
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Play for--sure. But Todd Pinkston, Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis would be very unlikely to start over either AJ or Moulds. Gaffney speaks for itself.
 
Reggie Brown has been named the #1. I'm just trying to tell you what's going on, not be nasty.
 
HARRYJ said:
Reggie Brown has been named the #1. I'm just trying to tell you what's going on, not be nasty.
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Didn't think you were trying to be nasty. Don't think you would disagree with my statement though.
 
This thread has already taken place.

The article was used to start another thread about a week ago. Will a moderator please move it or remove it, or merge it?
 
Too minor to be a separate thread.

Rich Lord just reported that Kubiak said Carr was the most improved player over the sessions they have held.

Take this as a report and not an assertion of truth--maybe we can be spared the silly, "but what else would he say" debate.
 
corrosion said:
Dont feed the trolls .....

:crutch: <----- McNabb after the the Texans


:trophy: or bust



Be very quite I'm :hunter: eagles
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Agreed...Troll feeding is a dangerous thing. Once you feed them they keep coming back...Let them go back to Philly with all the rest of those great fans they have up there...

PS: If you ever go to a philly game make sure you where the appropriate amount of Body Armor under your Texans gear.
 
*wonders what the "Reggie Bush/Vince Young or bust" crew will be saying should those guys not live up to the hype. :rolleyes:
 
LCROD said:
This doesnt prove anything. Carr needs to prove he was worth the #1 pick. And considering the only QB Bob McNair has "owned" is Carr, thats setting the bar kind of low. Time to put up the numbers or let us move on and find another QB. Either way, its going to be a good season.
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I agree, this is a make it or break it year for our QB.
I have been a long time Carr fan but if he can't get it done in this new system under this coaching staff then he will never be "the Man" for the Texans. After saying this I must say I think DC will do well this year and all the DC nay sayer's out there will have shut up.
 
zeplin said:
I agree, this is a make it or break it year for our QB.
I have been a long time Carr fan but if he can't get it done in this new system under this coaching staff then he will never be "the Man" for the Texans. After saying this I must say I think DC will do well this year and all the DC nay sayer's out there will have shut up.
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I completely agree with you.. I say we just give Carr a chance to see what he can do in this new system and if things do not turn out.. then like I said in a previous post.. We draft a QB in the 2007 Draft. Let him and Carr battle it out next year and if Carr doesnt step up that next year then we throw in the rook.

and by that time he will be in the last year of his contract and we could even trade him away.. or just let him ago whatever works out best for the ball club.. Brady Quinn, Brian Brohm and it's another guy that's not that bad coming out next year that we could take a look at.

But I honestly have faith in Carr I really hope that he succeds in this new offense. I look foward to Carr-to-Johnson for a looooong time..
 
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