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Profootballtalk unimpresed, VY in play?

Oh I think it's funny that they put more faith in a hand timed run that was provided by an anonimous scout than the electronic device that accounted for the fast track. Then went on to make it seem slower by adding their own equations. I wonders why they didn't also put in the percentage of stadiums that still actually have grass.
 
I'm sure that someone who hand timed Bush clocked him at 5.5 also. Whenever you hand time someone there is risk of error.

I will go by the electronic time on this one.
 
That makes no sense. Almost all college fields are grass and he hasn't had any issues. At South Bend the grass was 2 or 3 inches high and he was still blazing fast.

I think ProFootball Talk is just trying to create some controversy.
 
......ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.........THE TRANSITION HAS BEGUN!


Our native son VINCE YOUNG is indeed coming home to play.........THAT BURNT ORANGE SUNSET IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL......
MONARCH
 
Dr. Toro said:
Unimpresed with Bush's 40. Say it converts to a 4.45-4.5 on grass. Means he doesn't have Bennett type sprinter's speed. Say it could be VY at #1 trade down or not. Consider the source, but it's funny given all the derision VY received for their Wonderlic story.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
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Who ever wrote that article should add two points to his IQ and then he could compete with a carrot.
 
MONARCH said:
......ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.........THE TRANSITION HAS BEGUN!


Our native son VINCE YOUNG is indeed coming home to play.........THAT BURNT ORANGE SUNSET IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL......
MONARCH
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Geeezz Monarch, I'm sorry to see that new medication isn't working out to well. Try another brand, maybe that will bring reality into focus for you.
 
Well, that is the same site that reported Parcell's retired on Friday. How did that work for you. However, they are also the group that first reported VY's amazing six on the Wonderlic...so they must be credible!
 
So we aren't supposed to believe an electronically timed 40 time done by a well respected timing company that also does the Nike Camps, but we are supposed to believe an anonymous scout who claimed to have hand timed him on a "fast surface" at 4.4?

Was this written by Major Adams or Vince Young?
 
edo783 said:
Geeezz Monarch, I'm sorry to see that new medication isn't working out to well. Try another brand, maybe that will bring reality into focus for you.
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COME ON NOW PAL......surely you do better than that.....? GO ahead, and take off your cardinal and mustard colored shades......for I will allow you to really admire the prescription to success........

Or, would you rather wait upon DRAFT DAY 2006..........this medication has me indeed relaxed........
MONARCH
 
The number only matters in terms of how it compares to other who ran under the same conditions. If I believe the numbers from the other players, then Bush is still significantly faster than anyone else who ran at USC today. That is what is or isn't important, not that its 4.38 or 4.45.
 
As it has been said before we did not need to see his 40 time to know that he is football fast. Much ado about nothing.
 
The only numbers I care about are the number of times guys have caught him from behind. Bush will be a Texan. That's a Porky 100% certified take it to the bank or your money back guarantee. :redtowel:
 
Porky said:
The only numbers I care about are the number of times guys have caught him from behind. Bush will be a Texan. That's a Porky 100% certified take it to the bank or your money back guarantee. :redtowel:
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Can i put down a million dollars then just in case?
 
MONARCH said:
COME ON NOW PAL......surely you do better than that.....? GO ahead, and take off your cardinal and mustard colored shades......for I will allow you to really admire the prescription to success........

Or, would you rather wait upon DRAFT DAY 2006..........this medication has me indeed relaxed........
MONARCH
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I hope im not within two hundred yards of you, MONARCH, on Draft Day. The screams of agony coming from you will be enough to shatter most of the windows in the Texaco building.

But alas... the frames of the stadium which we call Reliant will shake when the celebration begins on Bush Day, 2006!
 
LOS ANGELES -- The wooing of Reggie Bush by the Houston Texans, already an ardent courtship by the franchise which owns the top overall selection in the draft, will progress to the next level later this week.

ESPN.com has learned that the Southern California tailback and Heisman Trophy winner will meet with Texans officials, including owner Bob McNair, in Houston on Thursday. As part of a full day of activities, Bush's agent, Joel Segal, will huddle with Dan Ferens, who handles the Texans' contract negotiations.

Because they hold the top pick in the April 29 draft, the Texans may commence contract negotiations at any point and may, in fact, speak with more than one player. It is not known if the Texans will initiate talks with Segal on Thursday, but it will not be surprising if the two sides use the meeting to get some sort of feel for each other's financial expectations.

Sources confirmed the Texans will meet Friday with quarterback Vince Young. Unlike Bush, the University of Texas star will perform on-field drills for the Texans staff.

The Texans, who aren't likely to trade the first pick, prefer to have the No. 1 choice under contract, or at least with a contract agreement, before the draft begins.

Bush will not do any on-field drills on Thursday. Instead, the day will be more of a get-acquainted visit, in which Bush will meet with coaches and team officials. That process has already begun, as Bush dined on Saturday night with Texans officials at a Beverly Hills steak house.

-- Len Pasquarelli


And.....

LOS ANGELES -- Scheduled to be the guest of honor at Petco Park on Monday, Reggie Bush strongly hinted that the first pitch of the San Diego Padres' 2006 season will be a curveball.

An interesting choice by the Southern California tailback and Heisman Trophy winner, since he delivered nothing but fastballs during the Trojans' "pro day" workouts Sunday afternoon, a session in which Bush clearly cemented his status as the first overall selection by the Houston Texans in the April 29 draft.

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Reading between the lines, I think we will start contract negiotions with Bush's agent Thursday. Bush is all but signed, sealed, and delivered. And it still comes with that 100% money back guarantee. :yahoo:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
As it has been said before we did not need to see his 40 time to know that he is football fast. Much ado about nothing.
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Exactly. Any questions I have about Bush as a RB would definitely not include worrying about his speed.
 
And you say that Bush will run slower on grass, but it's still a 4.4. VY worked out on turf also and ran the 4.57. Will that make his grass speed closer to a 4.7? You can't evaluate the players of two seperate scales.:spy:
 
I wouldn't put too much stock on what this site says. They look like an NFL's version of a celebrity gossip magazine (like Stars or something).
 
Porky said:
The only numbers I care about are the number of times guys have caught him from behind. Bush will be a Texan. That's a Porky 100% certified take it to the bank or your money back guarantee. :redtowel:
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Hey buddy go back and watch the National Championship game, Texas had linebackers sucking him up from beind LOL
 
Vince is comming home, all USC's pro day proved is that they hold the NFL's best shot at OT, it proved that Matt Leinart has a weak arm, and Reggie Bush is not one bit better than the RB From Memphis. Ha Ha Ha. all you Bush moles eat your heart out. Your boy is going to fall down the charts!
 
Oh and yes they did catch him from behind, in fact many times. I have had the pleasure of watching that game 4 to 5 times to see what all they hype about Bush. All I saw was a guy who never played a solid D. When he did he got shut down. Coach wouldn't even play him in the clutch!
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Oh and yes they did catch him from behind, in fact many times. I have had the pleasure of watching that game 4 to 5 times to see what all they hype about Bush. All I saw was a guy who never played a solid D. When he did he got shut down. Coach wouldn't even play him in the clutch!
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Yeah and they lost because of him not playing him.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
No they lost because they were stopped, and Bush was not producing! They lost because Vince Young put it on that .....
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Yea he had a great game, a great season,a great college career,but we still won't draft him.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
No they lost because they were stopped, and Bush was not producing! They lost because Vince Young put it on that .....
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My friend, I weap for your ignorance. I also had the pleasure of witnessing the incredible Rose Bowl of 2005, and I saw two incredible teams battling it out in every aspect of the game. I also witnessed a "non-producing" Bush produce 82yards rushing (6.3yard avg) with a rushing TD and 95yards on 6 rec (avg of 15.8YARDS!!!!). I admit he was definitely SHUT DOWN (SARCASM). He also would have had a 2nd rushing TD, but attempted to do too much by lateralling to a FB who couldn't catch a ball if his life depended on it. And I also believe, before you attack his maturity or whatever you might come up with, that VY did the exact same thing on the next drive, except he got away with a clearly evident forward lateral. I am not arguing that VY had a worse game than Bush in anyway, all I am saying is your claims that Bush was shut down by Texas are false. And, answer me this, if White was raping the Texas front 7 every time he touched the ball, why shouldn't Carroll go with him on a 3rd and short?

Again, I am an avid UT fan and I LOVED the Rose Bowl, but I am also an unbiased fan of the game who recognizes talent in Bush and is easily annoyed by ignorant posters attempting at devaluing the amazing accomplishments he had at the collegiate level.

Go Texans!:redtowel:
 
whiskeyrbl said:
Yea he had a great game, a great season,a great college career,but we still won't draft him.
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I agree completely! He has no chance of being drafted by the Texans. An incredible athlete and leader, but not a Houston Texan through the draft...sorry
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Vince is comming home, all USC's pro day proved is that they hold the NFL's best shot at OT, it proved that Matt Leinart has a weak arm, and Reggie Bush is not one bit better than the RB From Memphis. Ha Ha Ha. all you Bush moles eat your heart out. Your boy is going to fall down the charts!
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Hope he gets good seats to watch the Texans and Reggie.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Hey buddy go back and watch the National Championship game, Texas had linebackers sucking him up from beind LOL
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just like on that 26 yard touchdown where he ran past everybody.
 
MONARCH said:
COME ON NOW PAL......surely you do better than that.....? GO ahead, and take off your cardinal and mustard colored shades......for I will allow you to really admire the prescription to success........

Or, would you rather wait upon DRAFT DAY 2006..........this medication has me indeed relaxed........
MONARCH
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I can see Monarch now on Draft Day. Vince Dumb doesn't even get selected in the top 10 and he will still be praising how fantastic he is. Please spare us with the Vince Dumb is God...:stirpot:
 
This was predictable. Unless Bush ran a 2.20/40 the Young crowd would be filling up the forum with its nonsense.

But, I know, VY wore burnt orange in college so that means you draft him.

Grow up.
 
Dr. Toro said:
Unimpresed with Bush's 40. Say it converts to a 4.45-4.5 on grass. Means he doesn't have Bennett type sprinter's speed. Say it could be VY at #1 trade down or not. Consider the source, but it's funny given all the derision VY received for their Wonderlic story.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
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Pardon my ignorance, but isn't everyone timed on a track or on astroturf? So, shouldn't everyone's time be downgraded.
 
Excuse me. But isn't this the same site reporting that Vince made a six on his Wonderlich? I see, burial and praise in a month's time. Look the Texans are "pacifying" the VY locals. They have no nor had any intention in drafting Vince Young. They are giving the apperance that they are "giving Vince a hard look". I, for one, am not fooled one bit. By not drafting him would be a huge PR hit. So if the locals see that the owner is going to VY Pro Day it gives the perception that they are putting a bunch of thought in the decision.
 
kbourda said:
Excuse me. But isn't this the same site reporting that Vince made a six on his Wonderlich? I see, burial and praise in a month's time. Look the Texans are "pacifying" the VY locals. They have no nor had any intention in drafting Vince Young. They are giving the apperance that they are "giving Vince a hard look". I, for one, am not fooled one bit. By not drafting him would be a huge PR hit. So if the locals see that the owner is going to VY Pro Day it gives the perception that they are putting a bunch of thought in the decision.
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I honestly don't buy into the whole 'conspiracy'. Anyone who really thinks an NFL team isn't going to put a lot of thought into deciding who they take in the first round, much less the 1st overall pick, is kidding themselves. They're preparing to pay a substantial amount of money to one player, and NFL teams want to make a wise investment.

I'm not sure what the front office is thinking, but if, after their evaluations, they're leaning toward taking Bush then so be it. Just because the player they decided would be the better pick for their franchise isn't your player doesn't mean they didn't put a lot of thought into the pick. They simple evaluated the players differently than you did. Could they be wrong? Of course. Could you be wrong? Also a possibility. Only time will tell, but to accuse them of not putting a lot of thought into it sounds a lot more like sour grapes than anything else.
 
Dr. Toro said:
Unimpresed with Bush's 40. Say it converts to a 4.45-4.5 on grass. Means he doesn't have Bennett type sprinter's speed. Say it could be VY at #1 trade down or not. Consider the source, but it's funny given all the derision VY received for their Wonderlic story.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
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Anyone concerned about Reggie's speed only need reference the distance he leaped on his touchdown in the championship game. Simple physics tell you the following:

Leaping from the 4 yard line + landing 3-4 yards deep in the endzone = FAST
 
REGGIE RUNS A 4.4

Despite a report from Gil Brandt of NFL.com that Heisman winner Reggie Bush put up a 4.33 in the 40 on Sunday's pro day workout in L.A., a league source tells us that Bush was hand timed at 4.4 -- on a fast track.

That projects to anywhere from a 4.45 to a 4.5 on a grass surface, and it means that Bush doesn't have Michael Bennett-type sprinters' speed.

All things considered, the Bush and Leinart workouts muddy the top of the draft, opening the door for the possibility that, in the end, Texas quarterback Vince Young could be the first overall pick, with or without a trade out of the top spot by the Houston Texans.

:yahoo:
 
A legue source? What legue source? Oh you mean Vince Youngs agent.

Hey I could be a league source. Sure why not.

According to this league source Reggie Bush ran a 3.9 forty in the mud and moddified the bench press of 225 to 325 and pressed it a record setting 200 times.

In a related story Vince Young was reported to be cross eyed and unable to hit anything in front him, insted, hitting the scouts who where standing directly next to him on the side lines. Oh, and had a foot odor that his momma said would knock you out.
 
KSig44 said:
So what does VY speed adjust to on grass? A 4.7?:confused:

Still would rather have Bush
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Vince doesn't need to be fast. He just needs to be fast for a guy who is 6'5" 230lbs........ 4.7 would do nicely.

Bush on the other hand.......... looks alot faster than 4.4 I wonder whose hands was doing the timing??
 
VY doens't need to be fast? His whole game is based around his ability to scramble. He is not the best passer in the draft, so what do we judge him on?:brickwall

Arm? No, throwing motion is off
Speed? No, ran a 4.57 which is a 4.7 on grass. plus he "doesn't need to be fast"
wonderlich? No, barely wrote his name on the first one

If you are going to judge Bush on things that equate to his game, then you do it with VY also. Speed is his game, and he is lacking on that as of now. Running a 4.7 on grass makes you faster that maybe 5 of the opposing 11 defensive players. Not going to work.
 
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