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Preseason Week 3 Inevitable QB Thread

By your name alone I can see you are incapable of complimenting Carr; however, I have to admit I was doubting Carr the first two series, but he really turned it on at the end of the half. Don't forget, the coaches have the luxury of seeing Carr and Rosenfels in practice. I respect their decision to start Carr. That doesn't mean I would assume they would never replace Carr. It just means that Carr is the best we have right now.

By this time next year we could have a new starting QB. To be honest I would rather see Carr excel in this system like Plummer did when he left Arizona. I don't want to wait another 2-3 years for a rookie QB to learn the system.
 
Trust me, Carr has one more shot, he keeps blowing it, Kubiak will pull him and put Rosenfels in and let Carr sit and think for awhile
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Well if he's damaged goods he needs to go then. He needs to be tougher mentally to get over it. The problem is he's developed some BAD habits and can't seem to break them.

And how long has kubiak had to make a difference or break those bad habits???? a season 2 seasons?? no A few ota's, training camp and 3 preseason games..I believe coach will turn him around but some fans just arent willing to wait.
 
BigDTexansFan said:
Trust me, Carr has one more shot, he keeps blowing it, Kubiak will pull him and put Rosenfels in and let Carr sit and think for awhile
I agree and if thats what it takes for carr to get better im for it 100% but that is coaches decision
 
rittenhouserobz said:
By your name alone I can see you are incapable of complimenting Carr; however, I have to admit I was doubting Carr the first two series, but he really turned it on at the end of the half. Don't forget, the coaches have the luxury of seeing Carr and Rosenfels in practice. I respect their decision to start Carr. That doesn't mean I would assume they would never replace Carr. It just means that Carr is the best we have right now.

By this time next year we could have a new starting QB. To be honest I would rather see Carr excel in this system like Plummer did when he left Arizona. I don't want to wait another 2-3 years for a rookie QB to learn the system.

I agree, Carr is just a little jumpy. I sure hope he settles in. Meanwhile Sage showed great touch on the TD pass, he stood in a took his lumps. Im excited about the upcoming season.
 
Even tonight's sportscasters were being polite with DC at times. They were saying things like..."He's still learning". Let's keep it real. This is Carr's FIFTH year. Yes, I know the O line has been weak since jumpstreet, but Carr should take the blame for 50% of the Texans losses since the franchise began. He's not the brightest bulb on the tree and doesn't demonstrate genuine leadership skills on the field. It seems like he's still playing college ball....and not very well at that. If Kubiak is a realist, he'll play Rosenfels this year sooner than later. Hear me now, believe me later.
 
Mr. Old School said:
Even tonight's sportscasters were being polite with DC at times. They were saying things like..."He's still learning". Let's keep it real. This is Carr's FIFTH year. Yes, I know the O line has been weak since jumpstreet, but Carr should take the blame for 50% of the Texans losses since the franchise began. He's not the brightest bulb on the tree and doesn't demonstrate genuine leadership skills on the field. It seems like he's still playing college ball....and not very well at that. If Kubiak is a realist, he'll play Rosenfels this year sooner than later. Hear me now, believe me later.

No capers and coaching staff should take the blame for 50% the oline 35% carr 10% and the defense5%

A realist doesnt apply to coach because he is that... but when you have the ability to make a QB better like kubiak does and you believe you can make it happen then you go for it and thats what coach is doing right now with carr
 
OK TexFlex...you've got a bit more patience with Carr than I do. Maybe, you're just being polite. I spent a good sum of money on season tix, beer, food and parking for four years. I lost my patience this year. As a consumer, I will not renew until major changes are implemented to bring about at LEAST a .500 team.
 
Mr. Old School said:
OK TexFlex...you've got a bit more patience with Carr than I do. Maybe, you're just being polite. I spent a good sum of money on season tix, beer, food and parking for four years. I lost my patience this year. As a consumer, I will not renew until major changes are implemented to bring about at LEAST a .500 team.

Have you missed the entire off-season and all the major changes or is the only major change which is acceptable a QB change?
 
You guys are ridiculous...

He started out shaky...which every QB does often...consider this, against an excellent Denver Defense, and AFTER a shaky start even (including a very odd and rare interception that was an excellent play), he went to pass for 15-22, a 68% completion percentage, and 130 yards in little over a quarter of play (I say a little over a quarter bc nearly all of these yards came in nearly over a quarter).

Why would we want Sage? He is a SOLID backup. There is a REASON Carr was picked #1, and its POTENTIAL, the same way mario has POTENTIAL. He has been in a screwed up system, and hopefully this year we will see that potential fulfilled.

How is Sage better?

Against a very, very good Denver D, Carr passed for 15-22 (again, 68%) for 130 yards in one half...

Against 2nd and 3rd string, Rosenfelds completed 65% of his passes. LESS THAN DAVID CARR.

And again, all that after a shaky start; I saw a poised, athletic QB making EXCELLENT throws leading my team.

I don't know what you people saw.
 
Mr. Old School said:
OK TexFlex...you've got a bit more patience with Carr than I do. Maybe, you're just being polite. I spent a good sum of money on season tix, beer, food and parking for four years. I lost my patience this year. As a consumer, I will not renew until major changes are implemented to bring about at LEAST a .500 team.
And you are true fan for sacrificing your hard earned money to do so. The reality of it is we are basicly starting over and we are a bit ahead of schedule as a team who had been as bad as we were. And carr has been givin a clean slate its his job to lose and i trust that coach will bench him with the quickness if he starts to regress and does not respond to coaching.
 
We need to add a smille emotion, putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger, but until then I'll just settle for this.......:deadhorse
 
Ironist said:
You guys are ridiculous...

He started out shaky...which every QB does often...consider this, against an excellent Denver Defense, and AFTER a shaky start even (including a very odd and rare interception that was an excellent play), he went to pass for 15-22, a 68% completion percentage, and 130 yards in little over a quarter of play (I say a little over a quarter bc nearly all of these yards came in nearly over a quarter).

Why would we want Sage? He is a SOLID backup. There is a REASON Carr was picked #1, and its POTENTIAL, the same way mario has POTENTIAL. He has been in a screwed up system, and hopefully this year we will see that potential fulfilled.

How is Sage better?

Against a very, very good Denver D, Carr passed for 15-22 (again, 68%) for 130 yards in one half...

Against 2nd and 3rd string, Rosenfelds completed 65% of his passes. LESS THAN DAVID CARR.

And again, all that after a shaky start; I saw a poised, athletic QB making EXCELLENT throws leading my team.

I don't know what you people saw.

Funny..... you don't sound like you're 17...... welcome aboard........
 
David Carr's Preseason statistics so far:

Comp/Att: 28/44 (63.6%)
Yards: 250
Yards Per Attempt: 5.68
Yards Per Completion: 8.93
Touchdowns: 0
Interceptions: 1
Sacks/Yards Lost: 3/21
Rush Attempts: 5
Rushing Yards: 25
Yards Per Rush: 5

Statistically, he doesn't look too bad. In fact, I believe two of the sacks this preseason were OL responsibility. A few stats look negative to me, the yards per comletion is pretty low, and he hasn't gotten the team in the endzone. Tonight, I did not get to watch the game, but I read penalties helped kill a drive or two. Obviously those who get to watch the game may get a better view of Carr, but his statistics do not lie completely. He has improved since last year. Also, he has played some decent competition on the defensive side of the ball, Denver being the toughest. (KC has some decent corners out there.) One stat I did like to see tonight, Carr completed passes to seven different players. You will notice a correlation, when D.Carr passes to multiple people, we move down the field, when he focuses on one, we stall quickly. So, statistically I notice two things, we need to pass the ball around to more of our weopons, and we need to stop killing drives with penalties.

There's a few ideas for everyone to ponder, tear apart as you please.
 
Alright, I think in all fairness, I should probably put up S.Rosenfel's statistics thus far as well:

Comp/Att: 26/42 (61.9%)
Yards: 273
Yards Per Attempt: 6.5
Yards Per Completion: 10.62
Touchdowns: 1
Interceptions: 1
Sacks/Yards Lost: 0/0
Rush Attempts: 4
Rushing Yards: 8
Yards Per Rush: 2.0

There's your comparison. Number two QB against number 2 defenses does slightly better, or slightly worse, depending on which stat you are looking at. Completion percentage down, most everything else is ever so slightly better, against lesser competition, but with lesser talent around him. The hypothetical question will continue to be is S.Rosenfels better or worse with better talent around him, and better defenses coming at him. No one will really know unless it is tested, but looking at his stats, which for two's and three's can sometimes get easily inflated because of the competition they face, I believe he is still a lesser quarterback than Carr. Just my opinion of course.

It's quite possible I have no idea what I'm talking about though.
 
If Carr plays like that this whole season, we are GOING to replace him. So take some comfort in that, and lets start supporting the team.
 
Texans' D played outstanding ball tonight. First-team offense came out jittery and Kubiak got on them. They finished the half very nicely. After tonight's game, is there reason to worry about the Texans or are too many fans hitting the panic button with both Carr and the team overall?
 
I wouldn't worry keep in mind who we were playing. Denver defence players even said it was like pratice because they see it every day so to come out and lose a close one like that really isn't that bad. Let's see next week when we play another tuff defence but this time they do not have the same playbook.
 
valleytexfan said:
Texans' D played outstanding ball tonight. First-team offense came out jittery and Kubiak got on them. They finished the half very nicely. After tonight's game, is there reason to worry about the Texans or are too many fans hitting the panic button with both Carr and the team overall?

Is there reason to worry? No, not really. In the big picture a football game has very little relevance on how I will the rest of my life.

But in my narrow minded world that I enjoy living in, yes there is some reason to be concerned. Carr is like a robot with two different functions. Ask him to improvise at all and all you get is a "Does not compute. Does not compute." and an ugly array of error messages right up until the hard drive crashes and he throws an interception.

Now, I hope we see more Carr from the last 3 minutes of the second half and the partial 3rd quarter that he played. But honestly, after seeing the abomination of the first quarter last night, I'm going to question his ability until I'm proven wrong.

However the defense played pretty well and I think between them and the running game, and the WRs bailing out Carr now and then, we can be a decent team. However for us to be better than just below average he's going to have to step up his game.
 
Carr comments are all over the board, spread around in different threads, which makes it seem like there's not that much to say about Carr, but after three preseason games there ought to be a lot to say, and it ought to be in one place.

I agree with a lot of what I've read here -- he hasn't done that well, looks like last year's Carr, frantic, seems to lack poise under pressure, has a strong arm but isn't using it all that much, his running throws are awkward and not all that accurate, etc. Does not inspire confidence in even the most rabid fans (like many here).

Rosenfels is an unknown, seems pretty smooth but hasn't played against the top competition. Who knows what he'd be like under pressure. Seems to run the offense more smoothly but seems to have more open receivers than Carr (could be 2nd team stuff, could be timing, I guess).

What worries me about all this is that we don't really have a GOOD 2nd option after Carr. I mean, I'm worried that we DON'T have a QB controversy because we don't have a 2nd QB that people think could do the job.

Looking at Cutler tonight, he's got amazing poise and control for a rookie, a strong arm, he's accurate as heck, and has the look of a top quality QB in a year or two. We don't have that.

For my two cents Ill say this: I wish we had somebody like that on our roster.

My guess is Carr's going to come around some this year (he looked OK at the end of the 1st half, and the beginning of 2nd tonight), but not enough to be the kind of QB you need to win the big games. Maybe it's the whipping he took the first four years, or maybe he never had "it" in the first place, but I'm thinking it doesn't really matter now.

Now we have to draft or acquire a potential starting QB.
 
since aquiring another qb will not be a possibility until next offseason at the earliest via draft or trade, let's put the carr judgement on hold at least that long since there is nothing we can do about it anyways. if we win 7+ games this year with carr i think we can consider him a success. i mean it took jake the snake a few years to get it together in denver since arizona basically miscoached him and didnt play to his strengths. i think carr is in somewhat of the same boat.
 
Doom Capers said:
Eli Manning was 10-20 for 107 yards or something with an INT in seven series. Do they need to draft a qb too?

No, absolutely not. They need to trade Manning for Carr. :drool:
 
valleytexfan said:
Texans' D played outstanding ball tonight. First-team offense came out jittery and Kubiak got on them. They finished the half very nicely. After tonight's game, is there reason to worry about the Texans or are too many fans hitting the panic button with both Carr and the team overall?


Depends on what you are expecting...... we should be a lock to finish better than 2-14......

We have a tough schedule........

But even screwing up, we are playing good football.
 
Carr was inconsistant again last night, but once again also showed his talent.
That was a great ball he thru deep to Moulds. Maybe a little long, but a real rainbow which only Moulds (and not the DB), could have caught. And the pass
to AJ should have been a completion. Our often described "best player" should
make that catch.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4145078.html

DENVER — Midway through the second quarter, David Carr made one of those plays that surely will keep Gary Kubiak up at night.

It's the kind of play Carr shouldn't make after 59 NFL starts. It's the kind of play that will raise a lot of old doubts about Carr and will be an indication Kubiak's reconstruction of his quarterback won't be quick or painless.

Carr dropped back to pass, and even though he had no pressure, even though he had plenty of time to look downfield, he unloaded the ball quickly.

It's not just that he got rid of the ball too quickly. It's not just that the clock in his head is running too fast, that he's hearing footsteps that aren't there. It's what he did with the ball that's just as troubling. He threw it into double coverage.

He could have thrown it away, or he could have taken a sack, or he could have found an open receiver. The thing Carr isn't supposed to do when he's backed up to his 20-yard line is risk a turnover. Yet he did.

Running back Wali Lundy had two defenders around him, and only a perfect throw would have resulted in a completion. Instead, Carr threw behind Lundy, and the ball popped into the air and into the hands of Denver's D.J. Williams.

On a night the Texans generated almost nothing offensively against Denver's starting defense, on a night there were too many penalties, too many mistakes and too few yards, that play stands out.

Hear that low rumble in the distance? That's the sound of a quarterback controversy.

Backup Sage Rosenfels outplayed Carr on Sunday night, completing 10 of 15 attempts and leading the Texans to their only touchdown in a 17-14 loss to the Denver Broncos.

Carr played almost three quarters and generated two field goals. Progress? No.

Before you scream for Rosenfels, remember he looked sharp against guys who won't play in the NFL this season. In five NFL seasons, he started twice. There's no reason to believe he's the answer.

The Texans have invested millions of dollars and four years in David Carr. They have to keep going, keep hoping. They might get there, but nights like this are a reminder there's work to do.
 
LBC_Justin said:
To me when I see Carr on the sidelines, in the huddle, on TV, pretty much anytime the guy seems like one cool character. But the second the ball is snapped he seems paniced and a little frantic.
I'm honestly not seing that at all.
LBC_Justin said:
His head twitches around looking for a guy kind of like a bird.
I've yet to see him go through a progression. But he wasn't bouncing in the pocket like he did against KC or StL, which is a testament to him, being that Denver definitely brought more pressure.
LBC_Justin said:
It gives me a nervous feeling. Sage looks calmer, but I will make no claim that he is any type of long term solution or even a temporary one. If Sage ends up being the starter, we will probably be looking at a top 10 draft pick next year, regardless of the circumstances he gets the job.
They probably said the same thing in NewEngland a few years back.
LBC_Justin said:
Our best hope is that Carr gets it together in regular season and turns this into a nice success story for our franchise.
hmm.......
LBC_Justin said:
other than penalties and a few costly mental mistakes I think the Texans did us proud. We do need to face a little reality and that reality is that Denver is a better team than us right now, and they played like it.

true
 
Richard Justice doesn't even know what double coverage is--he is a baseball guy who likes to take controversial stances and only visits the subject of football when he can parrot concerns from the MB or radio callers into a cute headline.
 
lod01 said:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4145078.html

Summing up the bust that is david carr. What was it? $8 mil. flushed down the toilet with this guy? I would have never signed this loser and grabbed Leinart or Cutler who are both vastly superior to this zero.

When does this franchise move on and become a winner because I can guarantee that they won't be playoff caliber with this guy, let alone a Super Bowl contender.

15 completions for 122 yards? Let's see. That's 8 yards a completion...PATHETIC. Why have WR's? Let alone Moulds and AJ? Trade them and get some TE's and more runing backs to dump the ball off to.

GET RID OF THIS BUM NOW!!!!!!!!!! The $8 mil. is gone but don't flush the season down the toilet with this loser.


While I think your post could have possibly been a little better thought out, I do actually agree with some of it.

Granted, Carr has only had 4 years, and hasnt exactly had a spectacular supporting cast...but he has been completely less than impressive.

The Texans could have quite possibly traded their overall #1 for 3 first round picks, or 2 decent ones, and another second. Giving them the opportunity to grab Cutler (who was my favorite QB in this draft) and helping out with at least 1 other position.

But, whats done is done, and hopefully Carr starts showing something.
 
PhillyFan said:
While I think your post could have possibly been a little better thought out, I do actually agree with some of it.

Granted, Carr has only had 4 years, and hasnt exactly had a spectacular supporting cast...but he has been completely less than impressive.

The Texans could have quite possibly traded their overall #1 for 3 first round picks, or 2 decent ones, and another second. Giving them the opportunity to grab Cutler (who was my favorite QB in this draft) and helping out with at least 1 other position.

But, whats done is done, and hopefully Carr starts showing something.

Yea i agree hopefully he starts to play well on sept 10th...Well enough for us to win that game...wait who are we playing on sept 10th..:hmmm:
 
since aquiring another qb will not be a possibility until next offseason at the earliest via draft or trade, let's put the carr judgement on hold at least that long since there is nothing we can do about it anyways.

Now why would we want to do that? OK everyone, no discussing our starting QB....

I've never said anything bad about him before today. I'm not bashing him, I'll never call him a bum or a loser like alot of people who use those terms so freely. But, I am a Texan fan first and foremost. I've wanted DC to succeed since day one because he is a Texan, but if he's not getting the job done at some point we have to do something else. I believe that if that time comes coach Kubiak will have no problem with that.

I've put as much blame on his performance on the OL, the former coaching staff, not having enough options, etc... But he has a new coach (a damn good one at that), a proven system (where he doesn't have to be a stud), alot more options, an improved OL, and he still looks the same through the OTA's, training camp, and three preseason games. Just wait everyone says....well, I'm getting tired of waiting, and starting to wonder. Let me put it this way, he doesn't look alot better in this system than he did in the previous one.
 
Carr is playing like a rookie. That may be a good thing. Playing like a rookie means he is giving it his best, struggling, and willing to be coached. If he was playing like a burned-out fourth year vet who refused to listen, then I'd really be worried. So will Carr exit his new rookie phase soon? I'd put the odds at 50-50. If he doesn't and we go 0-2, he will be benched.

The previous coaching regimes were fools to let a first pick QB take the four year pounding Carr did. Having three or four different play books and coddling him didn't help either. Take any QB in the history of the game and let him get sacked a record number of times over four years while having to deal with an overly conservative offensive scheme and the results will be about the same.

Even still, Carr still needs to improve dramatically if he wants to be the starter. I think he understand the offense well enough, and has the physical skills. Somebody just needs to give him a vallium before the game to settle down. All of the years of sacks have made him like a cat on a hot tin roof.

Like I said, 50-50 he makes the season as the starter. I sure hope he succeeds because if he doesn't it means the Texans are losing.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
all of you are crazy its the system not Carr. :stirpot:

the system?!!! what do u mean the freakin system!! carr stinks!! i agree with divebomb! aahh..


LOL u wanted to stir the pot. :stirpot:

dont worry folks im not crazy about it, but i will still agree that david carr is simply being outplayed by rosenfels. sage has 2 tds, carr has 0. and no excuses about WR's not getting open. u mean to tell me that at least one of these guys: moulds, AJ, putzier, and walter are never open? carr has too many options!
 
TexanFanInCC said:
the system?!!! what do u mean the freakin system!! carr stinks!! i agree with divebomb! aahh..


Napa's being sarcastic ..... he's a Carr Hater from way back ... even before Vince Young ....
 
The really sad thing about Justice's article is how ignorant of Carr it is. His biggest problem now is not a problem he had nearly as bad if at all as a rookie--looking and throwing down field. He is definitely playing below average right now, but he is playing like a beat up vet not a rookie.
 
TexanFanInCC said:
david carr is simply being outplayed by rosenfels. sage has 2 tds, carr has 0.

So by your logic, Derrick Lewis should be our #1 WR right? I mean he has 2 TDs and Andre Johnson has 0.
 
lod01 said:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4145078.html

Summing up the bust that is david carr. What was it? $8 mil. flushed down the toilet with this guy? I would have never signed this loser and grabbed Leinart or Cutler who are both vastly superior to this zero.

When does this franchise move on and become a winner because I can guarantee that they won't be playoff caliber with this guy, let alone a Super Bowl contender.

15 completions for 122 yards? Let's see. That's 8 yards a completion...PATHETIC. Why have WR's? Let alone Moulds and AJ? Trade them and get some TE's and more runing backs to dump the ball off to.

GET RID OF THIS BUM NOW!!!!!!!!!! The $8 mil. is gone but don't flush the season down the toilet with this loser.

Spoken like a real fan and not one of these homer Carr lovers. SOme of these guys must have pictures of Carr in their high school lockers....makes me sick how they make excuse after excuse for this disaster of a QB....THIS IS HIS FIFTH YEAR!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!! HE STILL SUCKS!!!

turn page and cut this worthless pile of garbage at QB,
doug from the woodlands

p.s. waaaaah, the negative rep is hurting me.....who the *bleep* cares jerek....if I get negative rep from a homer, I consider it a badge of honor
 
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