Potential reasons for not drafting a FS

[awtysst]

This has turned into a really funny thread. How did we go from not drafting a free safety to McNair sucks? Wait... never mind. We have already done this 34 times

You know how it is. People have a hard time staying on task.

 

[thunderkyss]

TK
If Wilson or Pollard get urt again you will see more games like the 1st three instead of the last 13. IMHO

I don't think so. Barber (I'm not super high on Barber, but I do like the kid) made a few mistakes.... one really big one in particular. But so did a lot of other players on our team, during those first three games.

Cushing, Demeco, Bullman, Smith... all of them missed tackles that led to huge runs. I think they were working out the kinks of our new Defensive aggression. Plus Cushing had missed quite a bit in the pre-season.

With Pollard coming, we also went to a traditional SS/FS split, which I think will help Barber.

When Barber got back in the game for Wilson later in the season, he played well. I am more concerened if Pollard misses a game or two, but I think Barber would do fine there as well, with everyone in front of him playing better than they did weeks 1,2, & 3.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hey Dale I thought about PMing you but decided to put it on the MB.

Disgusting is the piece of crap product that McNair has put on the field. You may not like the fact that the Texans and Smithiak have been a total failure when it comes to being successful on the field. It disgusts me that this team hasn't taken the steps necessary to have a playoff caliber football team and the fact that we still have to spend another offseason wondering when the Texans will make the playoffs.

I'm in elite company being neg repped by polyanic A***** like you and consider it an honor. But when the Texans due to their lack of activity this offseason miss the playoffs again and finish 6-10,8-8 I will still be beating the drum that this organization isn't fully committed to winning. meanwhile you will still be making the same old tired excuses of the last 8 yrs and there will be many more Neg reps coming from you and the Koolaid crew. Hopefully the Texans win and make the playoffs and all of this will be a moot point but as of now I dont see it.

Good luck with that Dale. Take another sip.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think so. Barber (I'm not super high on Barber, but I do like the kid) made a few mistakes.... one really big one in particular. But so did a lot of other players on our team, during those first three games.

Cushing, Demeco, Bullman, Smith... all of them missed tackles that led to huge runs. I think they were working out the kinks of our new Defensive aggression. Plus Cushing had missed quite a bit in the pre-season.

With Pollard coming, we also went to a traditional SS/FS split, which I think will help Barber.

When Barber got back in the game for Wilson later in the season, he played well. I am more concerened if Pollard misses a game or two, but I think Barber would do fine there as well, with everyone in front of him playing better than they did weeks 1,2, & 3.

Reasonable arguement and I hope you're right. Smithiak are banking on it.

 

[JB]

Hey Dale I thought about PMing you but decided to put it on the MB.

Disgusting is the piece of crap product that McNair has put on the field. You may not like the fact that the Texans and Smithiak have been a total failure when it comes to being successful on the field. It disgusts me that this team hasn't taken the steps necessary to have a playoff caliber football team and the fact that we still have to spend another offseason wondering when the Texans will make the playoffs.
I'm in elite company being neg repped by polyanic A***** like you and consider it an honor. But when the Texans due to their lack of activity this offseason miss the playoffs again and finish 6-10,8-8 I will still be beating the drum that this organization isn't fully committed to winning. meanwhile you will still be making the same old tired excuses of the last 8 yrs and there will be many more Neg reps coming from you and the Koolaid crew. Hopefully the Texans win and make the playoffs and all of this will be a moot point but as of now I dont see it.

Good luck with that Dale. Take another sip.

IF you truly believe this, why follow the team? Why put yourself through the travail? Don't tell me it is because you are a fan, or because you love the Texans because that is not true. A fan (short for fanatic) is wanting his (or her) to succeed. I have seen no evidence of that from you. You seem to take great pleasure in mysery and the belief that you know more than the proffesionals. Do you watch the gamesw just to see what you can ***** about?

Do you think it is just a matter of will power to win football games? There are 31 other teams trying to get in the playoffs you know? Yes, it is a shame that we have not made it yet in our very short time in the league, but I believe we are building a team and franchise that will far surpass anything Houston fans have experienced to date.

I do not know why you could even think that the management does not want to win. That would make no sense. Even if they were just in it for the money, they have to realize they would make a lot more by being more successful.

You may not agree with how they are doing it. You may not agree with who they have doing it. But to keep on saying they do not want to win is ludicrous.

Good luck in your hate, I hope you never come to enjoy the great team that we have here.

You may prefer being a Tits fan instead.

 

[steelbtexan]

I can still be a fan even though I may disagree with how the team is being run. I'm certianly not miserable about a football team.

How dare anybody question the organzations will to win. Even though they haven't spent any $$$ even though they are the 5th most profitable franchise in the NFL.

If McNair is this benevolent owner that fans make him out to be and truly has an open checkbook policy then with the results that Smithiak have gotten over a 4 yr peroid they should be fired immediately. IMHO

I dont believe this is the case and that doesn't make me less of a fan. I'm not buying what the Texans are selling right now but I'm hoping for change and better times ahead. That's what being a fan is all about sticking with your team during the tough times. Which I've done and will continue to do. Much to the chagrin of some on this MB.

 

[Goldensilence]

current regime track record is legit when it comes to developing system safties. pretty sure they would use a higher draft pick if the player on the board fit their system & was at the top of their list. then again why use a draft pick when you can pluck off another roster on the cheap? Both Pollard & Wilson were 2nd rd. picks, have valued NFL experience & as such are starters.

Texans used a 5th on Brandon Harrison (07) that didn't work out. A 6th on Dominque Barber (08) who they really like & has flashed when healthy. And 7th on Troy Nolan who broke his leg before last season started.

My gut tells me if something bad happens to this position during the 2010 season, like it did to the RB's last year, the Texans draft board will reflect that early in the draft (UNC defensive back Deunta Williams) or they go after a premium free agent (depending on collective bargining agreement fallout).

Who knows how McManis develops? will he be used in nickle packages only or provide some FS depth? Glover Quinn could also step in immediately & help he has the cover & physical skill set to one heck of a FS if they so choose.

Yeah they've done a great...wait what? Are you seriously trying to make an argument they've done a great job developing safeties?

Yeah Wilson and Pollard were second round picks...from other teams. Otherwise none of the current projects at safety have amounted to much. Harrison was a later round flyer who didn't work out. Nolan was injured so he didn't get a chance to show if he's going to amount to more than a camp body. Though I suspect unless he's just horrid he'll probably stick on the roster. The only reason Barber looked BETTER was because he actually had a legit SS playing next to him. I stress better because I still don't see him as a long term solution at FS.

Kubiak has already stated McMannis will be playing CB in camp. Though no matter what he says I suspect one of the CBs on the roster will be asked to move over to see if they can play FS.

I don't see how you can see yourself on the idea that the FO has a great track record with safeties. Later round flyers in the draft who they pray work out. They don't go trolling in FA for legit help unless you count Ferguson who stepped in decently for a year at times and all world FS Busing. Then their is the annual let's see who we can pick up mid season to plug in at one of the safety spots and see if they work out. Guess everyone will also try to sell themselves on Wilson. Guy hasn't made it through a season healthy in years. Guess the FO is banking on this being a healthy year for him. Talk about rolling the dice.

Yeah great track record at safety. Whatever.

The idea the current regime seems to think is invest a lot on your front seven with an emphasis getting a pass rush with your front 4. However, their blue print for that has been been ok for our DE's. Still not sure Mario is playing up to his potential, scary as that sounds. Other than last year our other DEs have been pretty anemic. Our idea of smaller gap penetrating DTs has yielded not so desirable results. Yet, once again we drafted a smaller DT to add to the rotation.

I guess we'll see if Mitchell is the guy that actually fits the bill and gets some sort of push upfront or jumps into opponents backfield. Far as his build and what he brings to the table it sounds exactly like the predraft report on Amobi.

I will say for everything that they've lacked at safety they hit the nail o nthe head with Cushing and lucky or not, hit on Pollard as well. Let's just hope like other safeties in the past it's not just a one year wonder.

Also as well for all my complaints the defense took a big leap last year. Let's just see if they can continue to improve.

 

[bckey]

Also as well for all my complaints the defense took a big leap last year. Let's just see if they can continue to improve.

If the defense can make the same sort of leap this year then I believe the Texans can make the playoffs. I've been saying that it will take Bush building an elite defense to overcome Kubiak's ineptness as a head coach to finally get the Texans to the playoffs.

I will say this though about the defense. I don't like Bill Kollar the dl coach. He has coach mediocre dlines his entire career.

 

[thunderkyss]

How dare anybody question the organzations will to win. Even though they haven't spent any $$$ even though they are the 5th most profitable franchise in the NFL.

I'm just speaking for myself here.

I think it is a good thing, that the FO is questioned. I think it is a good thing, that we aren't all sheep. I also think it is a good thing that we have sheep.

I don't think we need to get ugly about it. & some of the posts in this thread has gotten uglier than it really needed to be. We all have our own opinions... the only thing they have in common, is that they don't mean squat. McNair & Kubiak & Smith are going to do what they are going to do.

Outrage on this forum isn't going to change that. Calling McNair names isn't going to change that. Questioning the intelligence of Kubiak isn't going to change that.

IMHO it just shows an immaturity level from those posting such vile arguments.

I mean attacking someone who isn't even here to defend himself...


C'MON MAN!!!

 

[thunderkyss]

Yeah great track record at safety. Whatever.

The idea the current regime seems to think is invest a lot on your front seven with an emphasis getting a pass rush with your front 4. However, their blue print for that has been been ok for our DE's. Still not sure Mario is playing up to his potential, scary as that sounds. Other than last year our other DEs have been pretty anemic. Our idea of smaller gap penetrating DTs has yielded not so desirable results. Yet, once again we drafted a smaller DT to add to the rotation.

I do agree, that "great track record" is quite a stretch. However, I think we've done a fine job of filling the Safety position. Whether we're talking Demps, Ferguson, Wilson, or Pollard. I don't think any of them are supposed to be the answer, Pollard may be the exception (remember '09 was a break out year for him).

But we all know the team has to be built from the inside out, and that's what the F.O. has been trying to do. They tried to make Travis Johnson work, but it didn't. They filled the spot with journeymen, until they got to a point they could spend quality picks on the position, that first pick, they went with a develpmental guy... still to early to give him a definitive grade (unless you think Amobi has reached his full potential, which is arguable on all counts).

2006: Mario, Demeco
2007: Amobi
2008: Molden
2009: Cushing, Barwin
2010: Jackson, Mitchell

Some people want to argue that FS was our most pressing need. Not one of those people would pencil Reeves in as our future... not that I think Wilson is our future, but we're a better team with Wilson and a rookie starting, than Reeves and a rookie. That's just my Opinion.

As far as Mitchell vs a stud FS in the third... I haven't heard one of the nay-sayers argue there was a FS starter available in the third, even if we traded up. Rotating DTs is the way you play the game. Rotating FSs is not. Makes more sense to use that pick on someone who won't be riding the bench, barring injury. Again, JMO.

Depth on D-Line is much more urgent than depth at FS, no matter how you want to look at it.

 

[dalemurphy]

Hey Dale I thought about PMing you but decided to put it on the MB.

Disgusting is the piece of crap product that McNair has put on the field. You may not like the fact that the Texans and Smithiak have been a total failure when it comes to being successful on the field. It disgusts me that this team hasn't taken the steps necessary to have a playoff caliber football team and the fact that we still have to spend another offseason wondering when the Texans will make the playoffs.

I'm in elite company being neg repped by polyanic A***** like you and consider it an honor. But when the Texans due to their lack of activity this offseason miss the playoffs again and finish 6-10,8-8 I will still be beating the drum that this organization isn't fully committed to winning. meanwhile you will still be making the same old tired excuses of the last 8 yrs and there will be many more Neg reps coming from you and the Koolaid crew. Hopefully the Texans win and make the playoffs and all of this will be a moot point but as of now I dont see it.

Good luck with that Dale. Take another sip.

How are they not a "playoff caliber team" when they missed out on the playoffs because of a tie-breaker? If a tie-breaker determines whether you make the playoffs or not... doesn't that pretty well indicate that you are "playoff-caliber"?

your idea of a commitment to winning: trade Matt Schaub away for a rapist scumbag! That post of yours is an embarrassment. Why would anyone that is a fan of this team have any respect for someone that suggests we should trade Matt Schaub for Ben Roethlisberger? Give me a break! What a miserable, ignorant, and loathsome idea that is!

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I do agree, that "great track record" is quite a stretch. However, I think we've done a fine job of filling the Safety position. Whether we're talking Demps, Ferguson, Wilson, or Pollard. I don't think any of them are supposed to be the answer, Pollard may be the exception (remember '09 was a break out year for him).

But we all know the team has to be built from the inside out, and that's what the F.O. has been trying to do. They tried to make Travis Johnson work, but it didn't. They filled the spot with journeymen, until they got to a point they could spend quality picks on the position, that first pick, they went with a develpmental guy... still to early to give him a definitive grade (unless you think Amobi has reached his full potential, which is arguable on all counts).

2006: Mario, Demeco
2007: Amobi
2008: Molden
2009: Cushing, Barwin
2010: Jackson, Mitchell

Some people want to argue that FS was our most pressing need. Not one of those people would pencil Reeves in as our future... not that I think Wilson is our future, but we're a better team with Wilson and a rookie starting, than Reeves and a rookie. That's just my Opinion.

As far as Mitchell vs a stud FS in the third... I haven't heard one of the nay-sayers argue there was a FS starter available in the third, even if we traded up. Rotating DTs is the way you play the game. Rotating FSs is not. Makes more sense to use that pick on someone who won't be riding the bench, barring injury. Again, JMO.

Depth on D-Line is much more urgent than depth at FS, no matter how you want to look at it.

The best FS that I've seen was a converted CB ... Ronnie Lott . I posted this somewhere , look at the needs and picks of all the best teams . They don't go after need in the mid to late rounds . They stick to their board . Why ... the best players have a better chance of sticking and contributing .

 

[otisbean]

Who are the top FS in the league? I would put Reed as number one, but who would you rate as 2-10?

Now of those 2-10, where were their defenses ranked in total D and passing yds per game? I know the Ravens are highly rated but looking at the top 10 overall and top 10 passing Ds I didn't see many teams with stud FSs there. Don't get me wrong I would love an Ed Reed or a Ronnie Lott back FS but Im not sure there are many guys like that in the league right now.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Who are the top FS in the league? I would put Reed as number one, but who would you rate as 2-10?

Now of those 2-10, where were their defenses ranked in total D and passing yds per game? I know the Ravens are highly rated but looking at the top 10 overall and top 10 passing Ds I didn't see many teams with stud FSs there. Don't get me wrong I would love an Ed Reed or a Ronnie Lott back FS but Im not sure there are many guys like that in the league right now.

My whole point is that a free safety is not a deal breaker . Now a 6'2 , 200 lb fast guy with ball skills and smarts would be great but they usually play CB .

 

[otisbean]

My whole point is that a free safety is not a deal breaker . Now a 6'2 , 200 lb fast guy with ball skills and smarts would be great but they usually play CB .

I was agreeing with you and posting my question based on earlier posts. I was trying to move away from the name calling and McNair bashing. I think a look at the FS position from a league perspective is interesting. I'm wondering how many truly elite FS are in the league now and what teams do they play for. Then it's interesting to look at where do those teams rank in total D and passing yards allowed.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I was agreeing with you and posting my question based on earlier posts. I was trying to move away from the name calling and McNair bashing. I think a look at the FS position from a league perspective is interesting. I'm wondering how many truly elite FS are in the league now and what teams do they play for. Then it's interesting to look at where do those teams rank in total D and passing yards allowed.

They play for the teams with the elite pass rush .

 

[steelbtexan]

How are they not a "playoff caliber team" when they missed out on the playoffs because of a tie-breaker? If a tie-breaker determines whether you make the playoffs or not... doesn't that pretty well indicate that you are "playoff-caliber"?

your idea of a commitment to winning: trade Matt Schaub away for a rapist scumbag! That post of yours is an embarrassment. Why would anyone that is a fan of this team have any respect for someone that suggests we should trade Matt Schaub for Ben Roethlisberger? Give me a break! What a miserable, ignorant, and loathsome idea that is!

Have the Texans made the playoffs? Until then they are not a playoff caliber team. I know excuses will be made but that is a fact that you cant seem to wrap your brain around.

As far as Roethlisberger, I was just trying to stir things up a little. Roethlisberger is a 2 time SB champ. He's a scumbag,the trade will never happen. But I just wanted to see how important winning a SB was to people on the MB and if they would be willing to take on a scumbag if it meant winning a SB? The Texans agree with you and and depend on fans like you.

for fans like me it's about winning. Winning is the only thing. It's why the have a scoreboard and if the Texans have to take on a few bad guys to win I'm all for signing those players up.

That's the difference in the kind of fans we are.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

Have the Texans made the playoffs? Until then they are not a playoff caliber team. I know excuses will be made but that is a fact that you cant seem to wrap your brain around.

As far as Roethlisberger, I was just trying to stir things up a little. Roethlisberger is a 2 time SB champ. He's a scumbag,the trade will never happen. But I just wanted to see how important winning a SB was to people on the MB and if they would be willing to take on a scumbag if it meant winning a SB? The Texans agree with you and and depend on fans like you.

for fans like me it's about winning. Winning is the only thing. It's why the have a scoreboard and if the Texans have to take on a few bad guys to win I'm all for signing those players up.

That's the difference in the kind of fans we are.

In the Roethlisberger scenario... he's out the first 6 six games so he won't be ANY help us.

I don't just like Schaub because he has a "good guy image". I like him because he's proven he can be an elite quarterback... he can lead the league in yards, finish top 5 in TD's passes, finish 2nd in 1st downs, finish 2nd and 4th in 20+ and 40+ passing plays, respectively, and finish the season with a 98.6 passer rating. Health is a concern, but last year he started every game - he got banged up but showed the toughness to come back after shoulder injury, head blows and vicious hits.

You bring up giving up a little in the "boy scout" aspect of a player and getting more of the "bad boy" image as if that equates to winning. I'm all for bringing in the best players we can that will help us win a superbowl so long as they're not felons, cokeheads, murderers, etc. Roethlisberger isn't exactly in that category but the fact still remains the same: Schaub isn't the problem on our team and Roethlisberger isn't going to make us any better (even if he was available the full season).

 

[otisbean]

In the Roethlisberger scenario... he's out the first 6 six games so he won't be ANY help us.

I don't just like Schaub because he has a "good guy image". I like him because he's proven he can be an elite quarterback... he can lead the league in yards, finish top 5 in TD's passes, finish 2nd in 1st downs, finish 2nd and 4th in 20+ and 40+ passing plays, respectively, and finish the season with a 98.6 passer rating. Health is a concern, but last year he started every game - he got banged up but showed the toughness to come back after shoulder injury, head blows and vicious hits.

You bring up giving up a little in the "boy scout" aspect of a player and getting more of the "bad boy" image as if that equates to winning. I'm all for bringing in the best players we can that will help us win a superbowl so long as they're not felons, cokeheads, murderers, etc. Roethlisberger isn't exactly in that category but the fact still remains the same: Schaub isn't the problem on our team and Roethlisberger isn't going to make us any better (even if he was available the full season).

I don't know OMT, if Roethlisberger did indeed do what he is accused of then I would put him in that category. Rape is heinous offense, and much much worse than being a drug user.

I'm with OMT, as a long time Raiders fans I can tell you, adding bad boys rarely works out well.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

I don't know OMT, if Roethlisberger did indeed do what he is accused of then I would put him in that category. Rape is heinous offense, and much much worse than being a drug user.

I'm with OMT, as a long time Raiders fans I can tell you, adding bad boys rarely works out well.

Well, yea, if he was a serial-rapists running around town that would be a whole different story but I don't think that's what he's accused of. I get mixed emotions on Ben's deal but the bottom line is he has repeatedly put himself in bad positions off the field and has gotten called out in the locker room for not being a leader.

Now if we want to talk about adding a "bad guy" on this team, let's at least make it at a position of need and one that would significantly impact our team for the better. Someone who skipped meetings, got pulled over for driving drunk, pulled a gun out during an altercation near his home, repeated uniform violations..... definitely not a Kubiak or McNair type of guy but good gosh Sean Taylor sure could help out at FS (rest in peace).

 

[Mari-OWNED!]

I didn't read everything in this thread, but I'd just like to add that there are two free safeties that will more than likely be in next year's draft that I think us Texans fans should keep an eye when college football starts up again...

Rahim Moore from UCLA, and Deunta Williams from North Carolina.

I really like Moore and would love to see him in a Texans uniform in the future.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

I didn't read everything in this thread, but I'd just like to add that there are two free safeties that will more than likely be in next year's draft that I think us Texans fans should keep an eye when college football starts up again...

Rahim Moore from UCLA, and Deunta Williams from North Carolina.

I really like Moore and would love to see him in a Texans uniform in the future.

Glad you brought this up. There could be some really good prospects next year. What that means is when we watch the games, keep an eye on them and see how you'd like them on this team. Could turn out to be Eric Berry/Earl Thomas again and we don't get a chance at them. Could turn into William Moore/Taylor Mays and we pass.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Have the Texans made the playoffs? Until then they are not a playoff caliber team.

We disagree on the definition of "caliber".

Caliber doesn't mean that you've done it. It means you're good enough to do it. Playoff caliber doesn't mean you made the playoffs, it means you're good enough to make the playoffs. If you have a record as good as someone who made the playoffs and didn't make it because of tie-breakers, then you're playoff caliber.

A Super Bowl Caliber team isn't necessarily a team that has won the SB but a team that's good enough to do it. Same thing with playoffs.

 

[steelbtexan]

Bottom line is they haven't made the playoffs. With this years schedule and the remaining holes on this team I dont see them making the playoffs next year.

In fact I see Schaub getting hurt because of the failure of Smithiak to address the deficiencies in the interior of the OL.

 

[dalemurphy]

Bottom line is they haven't made the playoffs. With this years schedule and the remaining holes on this team I dont see them making the playoffs next year.

In fact I see Schaub getting hurt because of the failure of Smithiak to address the deficiencies in the interior of the OL.

Classy! Predicting injuries. By the way, last year's interior line lost both starting guards in week 2 and yet Schaub was one of the least sacked QBs in the NFL. Meanwhile, Roethilsburger gets sacked about twice as often and also will be missing at least the first 4 games of the year.

Not to mention the fact that Ben Roethlisberger wasn't the QB of a "playoff-caliber" team last year... at least, not according to your standards.

Finally, how can a human being actually believe that "winning is the ONLY thing that matters"?

 

[steelbtexan]

It's why they keep score Dale. Rember when the big discussion on the MB was will Schaub stay healthy? What's different with that and ? whether the interior OL will stay healthy. Look I know you dont like the way I look at the way the Texans are run and you will defend how they are being run till your dying day. But at the end of the day the Texans still haven't made the playoffs and that little fact keeps geeting in the way of your arguement.

We will never agree. Thank god

Lollipops, Sugar Cookies and Koolaid for everybody Dale.

 

[dalemurphy]

It's why they keep score Dale.

Really. So, then, it makes zero difference to you whether the score ends 59-0 or 27-24? That's interesting. I think most people that attend the game for entertainment purposes would prefer a good game. Also, I think it may matter to the coaches and players how well they played in victory or defeat.

When I go to NFL.com and look up scores of games from previous seasons, they actually do list the score and not only a "W" or "L"... why do you think that is?

We are all sports fans. All of us believe winning matters. Most people, however, believe other things are also important. That's the difference.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Classy! Predicting injuries. By the way, last year's interior line lost both starting guards in week 2 and yet Schaub was one of the least sacked QBs in the NFL. Meanwhile, Roethilsburger gets sacked about twice as often and also will be missing at least the first 4 games of the year.

Not to mention the fact that Ben Roethlisberger wasn't the QB of a "playoff-caliber" team last year... at least, not according to your standards.

Finally, how can a human being actually believe that "winning is the ONLY thing that matters"?

I also see Schaub getting hurt next year if Myers is the starting center. Sorry, but we play some massive DTs next season and we all saw what happened with Kris Jenkins.

And let's not act like Schaub didn't get hurt last season, as long as Myers is the starting center, Schaub's health is always at risk.

 

[dalemurphy]

I also see Schaub getting hurt next year if Myers is the starting center. Sorry, but we play some massive DTs next season and we all saw what happened with Kris Jenkins.

And let's not act like Schaub didn't get hurt last season, as long as Myers is the starting center, Schaub's health is always at risk.

What football player didn't "get hurt" last season, using your criteria? My point is that he played 16 games and played them at a high level with a backup LG, Chris Myers, and a backup and rookie at RG.

 

[steelbtexan]

Really. So, then, it makes zero difference to you whether the score ends 59-0 or 27-24? That's interesting. I think most people that attend the game for entertainment purposes would prefer a good game. Also, I think it may matter to the coaches and players how well they played in victory or defeat.

When I go to NFL.com and look up scores of games from previous seasons, they actually do list the score and not only a "W" or "L"... why do you think that is?

We are all sports fans. All of us believe winning matters. Most people, however, believe other things are also important. That's the difference.

What are these other things that you speak of that are as important if not more important to you than winning?

The score by the W?L is just for historical purposes. The W/L is really the only thing of significance.

 

[steelbtexan]

I also see Schaub getting hurt next year if Myers is the starting center. Sorry, but we play some massive DTs next season and we all saw what happened with Kris Jenkins.

And let's not act like Schaub didn't get hurt last season, as long as Myers is the starting center, Schaub's health is always at risk.

QFT

The truth isn't something that needs to be spoken here.

Where are my rose colored glasses?

 

[Carr Bombed]

What football player didn't "get hurt" last season, using your criteria? My point is that he played 16 games and played them at a high level with a backup LG, Chris Myers, and a backup and rookie at RG.

I'm sorry.....how many QBs had their shoulder in a sling last season? Let's not nit pick here, that wasn't just some "bump and bruise".

We got lucky that it was his left arm and not his right....sorry, but you're not going to be able to convince me that I have nothing to worry about as long as Mr Charmin is protecting our franchise QB. I've also been on record with saying as long as Chris Myers is our starting C, this team will not make the playoffs and so far I've been right. If he's our starting center next season, I don't think we'll make the playoffs.....that's just how I feel.

 

[dalemurphy]

I'm sorry.....how many QBs had their shoulder in a sling last season? Let's not nit pick here, that wasn't just some "bump and bruise".
We got lucky that it was his left arm and not his right....sorry, but you're not going to be able to convince me that I have nothing to worry about as long as Mr Charmin is protecting our franchise QB. I've also been on record with saying as long as Chris Myers is our starting C, this team will not make the playoffs and so far I've been right. If he's our starting center next season, I don't think we'll make the playoffs.....that's just how I feel.

here's a quick list off the top of my head:

Carson Palmer -broken left hand (lucky it wasn't his right)
Peyton Manning - recovered from knee injury early, had off-season neck surgery
Ben Rapelisberger - concussion
Mark Sanchez- torn PCL
Tom Brady - recovering from ACL
Trent Edwards -concussion/ankle
Flacco - disabling leg contusion at end of season/into playoffs
Eli Manning -ankle/foot problem that cost him in the middle of the season
Kurt Warner- injured shoulder... said he stopped throwing deep late in the season because of it
Matt Hasselbeck - injured all season
Marc Bulger - lots of injuries
Bret Favre - injured ankle cost them in the playoffs... he still needs surgery

 

[Carr Bombed]

here's a quick list off the top of my head:

Carson Palmer -broken left hand (lucky it wasn't his right)
Peyton Manning - recovered from knee injury early, had off-season neck surgery
Ben Rapelisberger - concussion
Mark Sanchez- torn PCL
Tom Brady - recovering from ACL
Trent Edwards -concussion/ankle
Flacco - disabling leg contusion at end of season/into playoffs
Eli Manning -ankle/foot problem that cost him in the middle of the season
Kurt Warner- injured shoulder... said he stopped throwing deep late in the season because of it
Matt Hasselbeck - injured all season
Marc Bulger - lots of injuries
Bret Favre - injured ankle cost them in the playoffs... he still needs surgery

Now how many of those QBs have a history of being injured every year? How many games have those QBs missed over the last 3 seasons. Sorry, like I said above you aren't going to convince me that I shouldn't be worried.

AGAIN....AS LONG AS CHRIS MYERS IS BLOCKING FOR MATT AND ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SCHEDULE AND THE 3-4s(BIG DTS) THAT WE WILL BE FACING, I'M NOT CONFIDENT IN MATT'S ABILITY TO LAST A FULL SEASON WITH MR. DROP CLOTH IN FRONT OF HIM.

 

[steelbtexan]

Now how many of those QBs have a history of being injured every year? How many games have those QBs missed over the last 3 seasons. Sorry, like I said above you aren't going to convince me that I shouldn't be worried.

AGAIN....AS LONG AS CHRIS MYERS IS BLOCKING FOR MATT AND ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SCHEDULE AND THE 3-4s(BIG DTS) THAT WE WILL BE FACING, I'M NOT CONFIDENT IN MATT'S ABILITY TO LAST A FULL SEASON WITH MR. DROP CLOTH IN FRONT OF HIM.

Yeah

But you will get called classless for even suggesting that the Texans interior OL (Myers,Studdard etc.) might become the root cause of Texans injury problems. LOL

Bottom line is you believe as long as Myers is the starting C the Texans wont be making the playoffs. So far you've been right. That bothers the Sunshine crowd. Just like bringing up the fact that everything isn't hunky dory because the Texans haven't made the playoffs. All of the stats in the world dont mean a thing. The Texans haven't accomplishe their goal. Kubes would even admit that. Some on the MB have trouble facing facts.

I'm with you until Myers is replaced the playoffs are just a dream.

 

[Goldensilence]

here's a quick list off the top of my head:

Carson Palmer -broken left hand (lucky it wasn't his right)
Peyton Manning - recovered from knee injury early, had off-season neck surgery
Ben Rapelisberger - concussion
Mark Sanchez- torn PCL
Tom Brady - recovering from ACL
Trent Edwards -concussion/ankle
Flacco - disabling leg contusion at end of season/into playoffs
Eli Manning -ankle/foot problem that cost him in the middle of the season
Kurt Warner- injured shoulder... said he stopped throwing deep late in the season because of it
Matt Hasselbeck - injured all season
Marc Bulger - lots of injuries
Bret Favre - injured ankle cost them in the playoffs... he still needs surgery

Uhh no. Throwing a bad pass across your body on your back foot into several defenders cost them in the playoffs. Not the first time Brett threw away a shot at the SB.

 

[dalemurphy]

Yeah

But you will get called classless for even suggesting that the Texans interior OL (Myers,Studdard etc.) might become the root cause of Texans injury problems. LOL

Bottom line is you believe as long as Myers is the starting C the Texans wont be making the playoffs. So far you've been right. That bothers the Sunshine crowd. Just like bringing up the fact that everything isn't hunky dory because the Texans haven't made the playoffs. All of the stats in the world dont mean a thing. The Texans haven't accomplishe their goal. Kubes would even admit that. Some on the MB have trouble facing facts.

I'm with you until Myers is replaced the playoffs are just a dream.

You just make stuff up! I'm hopeful Myers will be replaced. I'm as big of an anti-Studdard fan that you will find on this board. That being said, it doesn't change the fact that Schaub layed 16 games last season and was hit relatively few times- in comparison with other NFL Qbs. Of course improving the interior Oline would further limit those hits and decrease the likelihood of injury. I just found it interesting that you would make that sort of predction coming off a season like this one where our running game struggled, we lost two starting OLmen and still Schaub was only sacked something like 24 times.

 

[76Texan]

If you guys worry about Mattie being hit, replace both tackles and your LG!

 

[steelbtexan]

What am I making up?

The rest of the post really kinda points out what a great season Schaub had.

With this years schedule Schaub will be lucky to make it through the season. IMHO (3-4 teams) Having Orlovsky playing 3 or 4 games next season isn't conducive to making the playoffs.

 

[dalemurphy]

Now how many of those QBs have a history of being injured every year? How many games have those QBs missed over the last 3 seasons. Sorry, like I said above you aren't going to convince me that I shouldn't be worried.

AGAIN....AS LONG AS CHRIS MYERS IS BLOCKING FOR MATT AND ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SCHEDULE AND THE 3-4s(BIG DTS) THAT WE WILL BE FACING, I'M NOT CONFIDENT IN MATT'S ABILITY TO LAST A FULL SEASON WITH MR. DROP CLOTH IN FRONT OF HIM.

Tom Brady: missed 15 games in '08... so, he's missed more games in the last three years than Schaub has.

Carson Palmer: has had an ACL tear and also and achilles. He's missed more time than Schaub

Ben Roethlisburger: has missed a handful of games but has serious concussion issues.

Donovan McNabb: has missed a ton of games to injury the past 4 seasons

Aaron Rodgers: couldn't stay healthy for one game until '08. He had the fragile tag also, until he successfully played a full season in '08, just like Schaub did in '09.

Drew Brees: had some injury issues in SD and then tore his rotator cuff... injuries to him are the reason New Orleans has him now.

Matt Hasselbeck: chronic bad back. has missed a ton of games the past few years.


** I think there is a difference between being worried about injuries, and predicting one. SteelbTexan predicted a Schaub injury and used it as a reason why he thinks the team will fail. I'm terrified that Schaub will get hurt and ruin our season. I worry about AJ or Cushing getting hurt to. Injuries happen and they suck! However, to assert Schaub will get injured and then preemptively blame the organization is classless. Players get hurt. If the Texans had given up 50 sacks and then did nothing in the off-season, I would understand the negativity more. However, they signed a C/G and drafted one as well, in addition to getting Briesel back from IR and developing last year's rookie C/G... and this after a year when Schaub played every game and was sacked very little.

 

[Carr Bombed]

It's not just the 3-4 tackles we face.... We also face Haloti Ngata and Terrence Cody....as well as our old friend Albert Haynesworth. Yep, we'll be seeing the Raggedy Andy act again.

 

[dalemurphy]

Yeah

But you will get called classless for even suggesting that the Texans interior OL (Myers,Studdard etc.) might become the root cause of Texans injury problems. LOL

Bottom line is you believe as long as Myers is the starting C the Texans wont be making the playoffs. So far you've been right. That bothers the Sunshine crowd. Just like bringing up the fact that everything isn't hunky dory because the Texans haven't made the playoffs. All of the stats in the world dont mean a thing. The Texans haven't accomplishe their goal. Kubes would even admit that. Some on the MB have trouble facing facts.

I'm with you until Myers is replaced the playoffs are just a dream.

So, if OD, and/or Slaton stayed healthy... or, perhaps Pitts or Briesel would've stayed healthy, we would still have not made the playoffs.

Heck, what would've happened if Indy had simply played 4 quarters versus NYJets... would it still be a dream?

When I'm defending Chris Myers, that's a pretty good indication that someone has gone way overboard. I had some arguments with 76Texan because my opinion of Myers is much lower than his. However, it is foolish to act like a weakness in one spot on a team will neccessarily negate the team's ability to have success. All teams have some weaknesses. That's how the league is designed.

 

[dalemurphy]

It's not just the 3-4 tackles we face.... We also face Haloti Ngata and Terrence Cody....as well as our old friend Albert Haynesworth. Yep, we'll be seeing the Raggedy Andy act again.

Terrence Cody?? who cares!

 

[JCTexan]

It's not just the 3-4 tackles we face.... We also face Haloti Ngata and Terrence Cody....as well as our old friend Albert Haynesworth. Yep, we'll be seeing the Raggedy Andy act again.

Ngata & Cody both play in a 3-4 defense, and I believe Washington is changing to a 3-4 also which would make Haynesworth a 3-4 NT.

 

[steelbtexan]

Tom Brady: missed 15 games in '08... so, he's missed more games in the last three years than Schaub has.

Carson Palmer: has had an ACL tear and also and achilles. He's missed more time than Schaub

Ben Roethlisburger: has missed a handful of games but has serious concussion issues.

Donovan McNabb: has missed a ton of games to injury the past 4 seasons

Aaron Rodgers: couldn't stay healthy for one game until '08. He had the fragile tag also, until he successfully played a full season in '08, just like Schaub did in '09.

Drew Brees: had some injury issues in SD and then tore his rotator cuff... injuries to him are the reason New Orleans has him now.

Matt Hasselbeck: chronic bad back. has missed a ton of games the past few years.


** I think there is a difference between being worried about injuries, and predicting one. SteelbTexan predicted a Schaub injury and used it as a reason why he thinks the team will fail. I'm terrified that Schaub will get hurt and ruin our season. I worry about AJ or Cushing getting hurt to. Injuries happen and they suck! However, to assert Schaub will get injured and then preemptively blame the organization is classless. Players get hurt. If the Texans had given up 50 sacks and then did nothing in the off-season, I would understand the negativity more. However, they signed a C/G and drafted one as well, in addition to getting Briesel back from IR and developing last year's rookie C/G... and this after a year when Schaub played every game and was sacked very little.

Still dont get why it's classless to predict injury with an OL that contains Myers and Studdard. Was it Classless to predict Schaub would get hurt last offseason? Many predicted it. I did not.

This season I'm calling it ahead of time. It's not Schaub. It's the lack of interior OL talent and the much tougher DL's that the OL will be facing this year.

We certianly have different definitions of what classless is. If that's the case. But oh well there are many things we will continue to disagree on.

Winning is the only thing that matters to me. You on the otherhand would be fine with 7-9,9-7. As long as the right kind of guys are playing on the team.

 

[steelbtexan]

So, if OD, and/or Slaton stayed healthy... or, perhaps Pitts or Briesel would've stayed healthy, we would still have not made the playoffs.

Heck, what would've happened if Indy had simply played 4 quarters versus NYJets... would it still be a dream?

When I'm defending Chris Myers, that's a pretty good indication that someone has gone way overboard. I had some arguments with 76Texan because my opinion of Myers is much lower than his. However, it is foolish to act like a weakness in one spot on a team will neccessarily negate the team's ability to have success. All teams have some weaknesses. That's how the league is designed.

If and buts and no playoffs.

Carry on

 

[Carr Bombed]

Tom Brady: missed 15 games in '08... so, he's missed more games in the last three years than Schaub has.

Tom Brady had a severe knee injury...it was the first time he missed significant time in his career

Carson Palmer: has had an ACL tear and also and achilles. He's missed more time than Schaub

Carson Palmer is injury prone and the injuries are starting to take their toll on his career, he's never been able to get back to his 2005 form...I really don't see where this helps your argument

Ben Roethlisburger: has missed a handful of games but has serious concussion issues.

Yeah, I'm sure that motor accident has nothing to do with his current concussions or behavior.....Ben Roethisburger is also one of the most hit QBs in the entire league. He'll hold on to the ball and sell out his body to make a play. It makes him a exciting player to watch, but isn't good for his health.

Donovan McNabb: has missed a ton of games to injury the past 4 seasons

Also injury prone...see Palmer, don't really see where that helps your argument.

Aaron Rodgers: couldn't stay healthy for one game until '08. He had the fragile tag also, until he successfully played a full season in '08, just like Schaub did in '09.

What are you talking about? Aaron Rodgers wasn't named the starter or given a chance until '08, he's made every start for that team since he's been given the starting job and what's more impressive he made every start last season despite the fact that at one point last season he was on pace to break David Carr's sack record. His offensive line is horrible, this doesn't help your argument at all.

Drew Brees: had some injury issues in SD and then tore his rotator cuff... injuries to him are the reason New Orleans has him now.

Okay, now you're just rewriting history... The cuff injury gave SD the out they needed to move him, but that isn't the reason why he was on the trading table. His sub par play early on in his career was. You do remember they drafted Phillip Rivers and the Chargers didn't want to start a rookie. It just so happened that season was the season where Drew Brees became the player we recognize today. So then the Chargers were stuck with a franchise QB and a talented rookie they took very high in the draft and paid a boat load of money to. The cuff injury gave them the out they need to sell to their fans. Luckily for them Rivers panned out.

Matt Hasselbeck: chronic bad back. has missed a ton of games the past few years.

Due to age he is also now injury prone....once your back goes, you're done. Matt is now the guy taking snaps while his team looks for the other guy. He isn't going to be part of his team's future plans.

** I think there is a difference between being worried about injuries, and predicting one. SteelbTexan predicted a Schaub injury and used it as a reason why he thinks the team will fail. I'm terrified that Schaub will get hurt and ruin our season. I worry about AJ or Cushing getting hurt to. Injuries happen and they suck! However, to assert Schaub will get injured and then preemptively blame the organization is classless. Players get hurt. If the Texans had given up 50 sacks and then did nothing in the off-season, I would understand the negativity more. However, they signed a C/G and drafted one as well, in addition to getting Briesel back from IR and developing last year's rookie C/G... and this after a year when Schaub played every game and was sacked very little.

I'm blaming Chris Myers more than the organization and I guess you could say I'm blaming Kubiak for believing that Myers is "the guy" after clearly seeing he's not. To be fair though, they did draft Caldwell and signed Wade Smith, but they should be more proactive at filling the biggest hole on the offensive side of the ball (and yes, that was even before we drafted Tate), especially when that hole directly effects the health of your QB.

Look I know this is the NFL and players get hurt, that's just stating the obvious, but you can also do things to lower the risk that your players will get hurt and asking your QB who has a history of getting hurt to lineup behind the weakest center in the league for a 3rd straight year is NOT LOWERING ANY RISK TO HIS HEALTH

Also don't give the line too much credit for those low sack #s....Schaub does a fantastic job of giving rid of the ball and Kubiak also does a good job at moving his release platform. He moves him around and doesn't keep him throwing from the same spot.

 

[dalemurphy]

If and buts and no playoffs.

Carry on

We were 9-7 with 6 starters on IR and lost out on the playoffs by a tie-breaker... Yet, you assert it is virtually impossiple for the team to make the playoffs with Myers playing center. You don't see any errancy in that logic?

 

[Carr Bombed]

Ngata & Cody both play in a 3-4 defense, and I believe Washington is changing to a 3-4 also which would make Haynesworth a 3-4 NT.

I heard about the Redskins wanting to switch, but didn't hear anything final. Good call on the Ravens, I thought they switched back to the 4-3 a few seasons ago.

Oh well, doesn't change the fact that Myers has alot of beef to deal with.

 

[Carr Bombed]

We were 9-7 with 6 starters on IR and lost out on the playoffs by a tie-breaker... Yet, you assert it is virtually impossiple for the team to make the playoffs with Myers playing center. You don't see any errancy in that logic?

We got our asses handed to us in the home opener, mainly because Myers couldn't maintain Kris Jenkins. (the reason why we NEEDED a tie breaker). We struggled to run the ball all year, mainly because Myers and the interior line couldn't open up holes and that cost us alot more games. How many times were we turned away on the goal line and in short yardage situations? How many times have we watched this team struggle in the redzone over the years, because we couldn't move people around when it mattered?

Also lets not act like last year's schedule wasn't easy and ALOT easier than this one will be.