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Possible McKinney move to guard now in OL mix

wrestler4life said:
It is so sad that our weakest positions on the line are the most important for Carr. What do you think that is telling him?
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Im not sure he minds anymore. Everytime he gets sacked, little dollar singns appear in his eyes. And the Texans will have to pay for everyone come contract time.

But seriously, I dont think he thinks that the Texans dont give a flip about protecting him. Not everybody can have a Pace/Jones/Ogden.
 
DC_ROCK said:
Im not sure he minds anymore. Everytime he gets sacked, little dollar singns appear in his eyes. And the Texans will have to pay for everyone come contract time.

But seriously, I dont think he thinks that the Texans dont give a flip about protecting him. Not everybody can have a Pace/Jones/Ogden.
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Very true, but why are other teams (i.e. the more elite teams) having such problems solidifying their lines? I think our line is doing the best they can, and that they will get better, but they are going to need to know where they are going to be and have time to work at it together before the season starts or it is going to be one big shart out on the field.
 
Pitts, Wand, McKinney, Weigert, Wade. This is our best line by far. Wand is a quality player, but he is not an LT. Pitts can play LT and he will be far more consistent this year than Wand. Don't really understand the beef with McKinney since he has started in this league for years so he must do alot more things right than wrong. I mean if you know about football and offensive lines you would see that McKinney a smart and cagey veteran is our best option at C until we find a better replacement. Look for next years draft to bring in a new LT that will play LG until he is ready. In the NFL you put franchise LT at right tackle or left guard to teach them and they become better for it. Hell Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden did not start out at LT and they are the best in the biz right now. Calm down fans Pitt will handle the LT, Wand will improve alot at LG, and McKinney will have a much better year without the nagging injuries to his shoulder and knee. I really wish Vinny would get on the mic and educate these people about football... Vinny holla at ya boy!!
 
cadahnic said:
Hell Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden did not start out at LT and they are the best in the biz right now.
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FYI--Ogden did start his rookie year at LG, but Pace's 9 starts as a rookie came at LT and Jones earned the LT spot in training camp starting 12 games at LT, missing 4 with an ankle injury.
 
wrestler4life said:
It is so sad that our weakest positions on the line are the most important for Carr. What do you think that is telling him?
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Good point. And heaven forbid Carr should get hurt. For those saying it was a good idea to hold off drafting an O-lineman this year because we should wait until the better crop next year (which is a joke anyway...no one knows what next years crop will bring a year from now), wouldn't it be the ultimate fiasco if, because of our dithering with the O-line, Carr were to suffer a career ending injury because of our high number of sacks. But, hey, no problem. At least we could improve the line in 2006 to block for Ragone! Wouldn't that be wonderful.
 
geofb said:
Good point. And heaven forbid Carr should get hurt. For those saying it was a good idea to hold off drafting an O-lineman this year because we should wait until the better crop next year (which is a joke anyway...no one knows what next years crop will bring a year from now), wouldn't it be the ultimate fiasco if, because of our dithering with the O-line, Carr were to suffer a career ending injury because of our high number of sacks. But, hey, no problem. At least we could improve the line in 2006 to block for Ragone! Wouldn't that be wonderful.
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It's not like they're waiting for next year (even though it should be better) for an O-linemen. It's just that Barron wasn't worth the $$ in which we were chosing. Maybe we shoulda/woulda/coulda went down further and got Barnes but noone else wanted to move up cuz this last draft class wasn't that good and ALL the teams knew it. Besides Barnes is a jag now so he instantly sux. Next year Leinart will come out, and some teams (Miami, Clev) that needed a QB passed on Rogers knowing that maybe they'll have a chance @ him (given that they're the worst team in the NFL cuz Leinart should go #1 overall).
And some of it (the sax and the knockdowns) lyes on Carr for not getting more creative with the ball on certain occasions. Hence all the new timing routes and fewer option pass plays.
 
geofb said:
For those saying it was a good idea to hold off drafting an O-lineman this year because we should wait until the better crop next year (which is a joke anyway...no one knows what next years crop will bring a year from now.
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Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. All one has to do is look at the Juniors in college and then they can see who will be seniors next year. Also there are people who get paid to know what next years crop will bring they are called scouts and gm. I feel very confident in knowing that my team (the Texans) are being run by the best in the business Carlie Casserly.
 
I don't know where the perception comes from that any midround drafted player would be an automatic instant upgrade. Our history with drafted OL isn't exactly stellar evidence. The best we've drafted would have already been hauled off to the chopping block if some of the fans ran the team.

McKinney has his flaws and liabilities but proclaiming Hodgdon as some OL savior is just ignorant.
 
Len Pasquarelli, the ESPN sportswriter, has a story claiming that the Chargers
and Bengals are the only 2 teams return their starting OL intact and at the
same positions as they played last year. I think he left us out of that group
by mistake, unless Cass & Capers have let him in on some info they haven't shared with anybody else. We may have been experimenting, but I don't think
any official changes in our OL lineup have been made.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2088145
 
I thought Pitts did a pretty good job at LT in 2003. The coaches moved him to LG because he isn't the prototypical LT and Wand was an intriguing option. I'm not ready to say Wand won't turn into a good LT, but Pitts already was becoming one. There were times in 2003 that he made the rushing ends just look silly. Also consider that Piits is really a project himself, having never really played much organized football. I think he's a very quick study, has always displayed a positive attitude, and I like his work ethic and desire to improve wherever they put him.
 
Alot of people discount Pitts' skills as a LT, but if the Oline is stinking it up early in the season, I'd expect us to move him back to LT, and try and draft one next year. it's either that or put riley in at LT. personally, i'd rather have Pitts at LT.
 
atxcoolguy said:
Alot of people discount Pitts' skills as a LT, but if the Oline is stinking it up early in the season, I'd expect us to move him back to LT, and try and draft one next year. it's either that or put riley in at LT. personally, i'd rather have Pitts at LT.
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personally, I'd rather see Wand at LT. I would prefer that the only change to the O-line is a change of personnel at the center position with McKinney going to the bench. Other than McKinney going to the bench, I would rather see the line remain the way it was last season.
 
vtech9 said:
personally, I'd rather see Wand at LT. I would prefer that the only change to the O-line is a change of personnel at the center position with McKinney going to the bench. Other than McKinney going to the bench, I would rather see the line remain the way it was last season.
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Who would you put @ C. Please elaborate on your choice so we can all understand you position.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
Who would you put @ C. Please elaborate on your choice so we can all understand you position.
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Honestly, I wish I knew who would be best to replace McKinney. I'm not there watching practices. I'm not watching all of the films to see who would be good to bring in either. All I know is that I remember several times last season watching McKinney getting shoved back into Carr's face and forcing him out of the pocket into a waiting DE or LB. Did McKinney get credit for giving up the sack? He was the direct cause of the sack, but no, he wasn't credited with giving up the sack. IMHO, he is the "Weakest Link" on the O-line, and I would love to say "Good Bye" to him. Who do we get to replace him? I wish I knew.
 
Yes, I want Wand to start and do well at LT, but if he isn't getting the job done and the line is sucking, there's gonna be some changes on the line. If this is the case, does mckinney slide over to play LG, Pitts to LT? but then i'd wonder who would play center. hogden, probably not. washington, Don't know, seems old and slow. are there any other lineman on the team that can play center? the other option would be to replace wand with riley if wand isn't playing well.
 
Maybe if we move McKinney somewhere besides Center he'll do better. That multi tasking is killing him (Hike the ball, then block). Maybe if all he has to be concerned with is blocking he'll do a better job. LOL
 
They tinkered with him @ G in these mini-camps. Remember when they toyed around with Wong @ ILB in last years mini-camps? Where are the ILB's from last years team now? Hmmmmmmmmm.
 
For the first time i can look at a Texan schedule and honestly say that there is not a team on their that they cannot beat. So this one is a little difficult.

So lets do the math of averages. Each year I predict what our final record is going to be and i am pethetically wrong. The first year I said 8-8(4-12) The second year I predicted 9-7(5-11) Last year I went out on a limb and said
11-5(7-9) So I have been wrong by the average of four games. So lets say we go 16-0(with the schedule we have its possible :homer: )and then subtract the games that I have been wrong by(4) and so now my prediction will be 12-4. Yep 12-4.

Yes sir......12-4 :penguin:
 
quote from Doug,

"Maybe if we move McKinney somewhere besides Center he'll do better. That multi tasking is killing him (Hike the ball, then block)."

hahhahahahhahaa

I was laughing for 2 straight minutes, tears came to my eyes......that's gold....pure gold.

Thanks for the laugh

hhahahahaha.......Hike the ball, then block.........hahahhhaha.........too much.

:homer: Its funny cuz its true.
 
If the Texans are to fall back on Washington as the OC, we are in more trouble than I thought. He is a decent run blocker, but he doesn't have the quickness needed to be an effective pass blocker
I agree McKinney dogged it last year, however he does have potential. Hurry up and learn the position Hodgdon.
 
Does anyone know how did McKinney play as a guard at Indy? If memory serves me he was a starter when Edge lead the league in rushing his first two years.
 
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