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Position to fill first in draft?
- Thread starter Seegara
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TEXANRED
Texan-American
Outside of QB, OL/WR.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Is this really a question?? I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but really?
But it's a poll!
Oh that doesn't matter...
Draft thread?
1. Parker
2. TJ Clemmons
3. Dupree
4. Maxx Williams
1. Parker
2. TJ Clemmons
3. Dupree
4. Maxx Williams
In other words BPA, there are several holes to fill.
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Number19
Hall of Fame
(First I'm projecting we sign Mallet to be our starting QB next season)
This will be largely influenced by any loses we have to free agency or players released for cap reasons. We have three starters who are free agents : Jackson (CB), Newton (RT) and Reed (OLB). We also have JJo (CB) who may be released because of his cap hit.
If we were to lose both Jackson and JJo, then CB becomes our highest priority. I'm going to project we find the money and resign Jackson, but let JJo go. This still creates a major hole which needs addressing, so I'm going with CB as our first selection. Depending on juniors coming out, this should be a good class of rookies with both size and speed, but I don't think this first tier will reach us in the second round.
If we don't resign Newton, and it does appear the organization wants him back, then RT jumps to the top of the need list. This position is also going to be deep and good talent may slide as deep as the second round, but if we want talent who can step right in and start, we need to select someone at 16.
We currently don't have starting talent behind Reed and we may draft OLB, regardless of whether we resign Reed, on the second day.
This leaves WR and DE to be addressed on the third day.
This will be largely influenced by any loses we have to free agency or players released for cap reasons. We have three starters who are free agents : Jackson (CB), Newton (RT) and Reed (OLB). We also have JJo (CB) who may be released because of his cap hit.
If we were to lose both Jackson and JJo, then CB becomes our highest priority. I'm going to project we find the money and resign Jackson, but let JJo go. This still creates a major hole which needs addressing, so I'm going with CB as our first selection. Depending on juniors coming out, this should be a good class of rookies with both size and speed, but I don't think this first tier will reach us in the second round.
If we don't resign Newton, and it does appear the organization wants him back, then RT jumps to the top of the need list. This position is also going to be deep and good talent may slide as deep as the second round, but if we want talent who can step right in and start, we need to select someone at 16.
We currently don't have starting talent behind Reed and we may draft OLB, regardless of whether we resign Reed, on the second day.
This leaves WR and DE to be addressed on the third day.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I went with a WR in the 1st although I could see them filling the CB position 1st depending on what happens to JJo and KJ. I still think we should go with a WR 1st even if AJ stays, and I think he will. They have to start finding someone to replace him in the coming years and add more weapons for Mallett or whoever it is that will play QB. I couldn't go with a QB in the 1st because I don't think there will be anyone worth it at #16, but you never know. My guess is they let Mallett start and see if he's "the guy." If not, they draft Cook or, BO'B's boy, Hackenburg (sp?) from Ped St in the 2016 draft.
could you elaborate?
I'm not a draftnik so I have no idea what position/college are associated with those names.
From my knothole, CB (assuming either J-Jo or KJ are gone), then ILB or O-line, then WR (with size and speed). I wouldn't mind a stud RB either.
I would really like to see WR, ILB, FS in the first 3 rounds (I'm not going to make an ass of u and me by counting someone gone from the current roster) after that we can build OL and DL depth. That said, if someone unexpected fell to us (Fisher- OT Oregon in the 2nd or similar) we gotta go that way.
We desperately need to improve team speed and depth across the board
I really thought Bouye and Morris looked good. I'm more concerned with the safety position. However you can never have too many CB's. If Peters from Washington checked out, I would not hesitate to draft him in the first at 16. He was kicked off his team a few weeks back and there are conflicting answers as to why.
Right now this is who I'm thinking will be the BPA at 16. I wouldn't have a problem with any of them.
01a Devante Parker WR Louisville
01b La'el Collins G/T LSU
01c Ronnie Stanley OT, Notre Dame
04 Danny Shelton DT Washington
05 Kevin White WR West Virginia
06 Marcus Peters CB Washington
07 Trae Waynes CB Michigan State
08 Ereck Flowers OT Miami
I think White could end up and elite WR in a few years. Right now Parker is better and more ready to contribute.
Stanley and Collins are both good fits on our OL. I would love to have either one of them. I'm scared they are both going to move up out of our range as this process moves along.
Danny Shelton could be the big NT we have been looking for for years. He's not just a big body for eating up blocks. He would contribute in the pass rush.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
They looked good at nickel which doesn't mean they would look good as starter. Teams went after both but Bouye in particular.
Having said that I am all on board the/a top safety falling to the Texans at 16. That is great territory for getting the/a top safety as everyone has picked over the sexier positions for the 1st half of the round.
Reed 24th pick. Polamalu 16th.
Now is there someone this year worthy of consideration?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I think so to but safety's are like centers, guards, and now running backs, theyre the opposite of quarterbacks. They slip in the draft.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Ok, but that's the kind of guy I am talking about. 16 is a great position to snag a player who is only available because he doesn't play a premier position. S and ILB jump to mind.
Playoffs
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Cody Prewitt, Ole Miss, is another being kicked around on the 1st/2nd cusp and is a favorite of a few of our smarter football guys. Could end up higher through the process.
Gerod Holliman, Louisville, too.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Who's this years CJ Mosely? Nobody comes to mind. Is there a 3down Inside backer who can move cush?
Yeah sure, I wanna qb but if the talent doesn't fit the draft slot dont do it.
Playoffs
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Benardrick McKinney, Miss State.
Derron Smith of Fresno St. in the 2nd could be just that. Rangy, athletic, instinctive, good ball skills.
I like McKinney a lot too.
I'd be happy with one of Peat or Stanley at RT, or McKinney or S. Thompson at LB in the first. Maybe P.J. Williams at CB.
Then look at a group consisting of C Grasu, LB Kendricks, WR R. Greene, FS D. Smith in the 2nd.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'll second this. Good size & speed. Three down player who can drop back into coverage or rush the QB. Mississippi State is a member of the Southeastern Conference, so played against quality competition.
I'll be the one that says nah. Doesn't read and react well to play action, seems lost in coverage and is not a great in the open field. Doesn't disengage fast enough when taking on blocks. Two down thumper player IMO.
I'll take Perryman over this guy all day long.
badboy
Hall of Fame
We might be able to go BPA 2016 but not this next one. Actually, my guy could easily be BPA so here we go and why.
#16 WR Devante Parker had highlight plays almost every game. He and Mariota the only two projected first rounders who lived up to billing in Bowl games. We had two contributing WRs and you know who was one of them and you can imagine what his thread will look like a year from now. Even if AJ is back would you not want your new shiny QB to have another play maker to throw to? 2014 43/855 19.9 5 TDs 5 games reg and 1 bowl. Man if he had been healthy all season.
#48 Safety: unlike most (and me preseason) I am cool with KJ, Bouye and Morris at corner but do know we need to push Swear or move him to back up. Cody Prewitt is my guy. Built like a strong plays like both. Perfect fit.
# 80. OT I want Jake Fisher but may be gone & I think we sign a RT to replace Clabo so maybe ILB Eric Kendricks
I am with you 1000 fold on Parker. I believe he's the best WR in this class and would be a steal at 16. My main hesitation though is on how much he's looked on to contribute, at least in year one.
One of the hang-ups in DeVier Posey seeing any action was that he wasn't OB's vision of a slot receiver. This point became evident when Posey was suited up in week 15 as AJ's concussion opened up an outside spot. Now, I'm not comparing Parker and Posey in terms of overall ability, I think Parker is a superior talent, but just in terms of both of them being better suited as an X or Z. And if drafted, in what would be the first round, OB would surely look to fit Parker into as many situations as he can. I'm just not so sure that if they bring back AJ to pair up with DHop for at least one more year they look to take a guy in the first that may be sitting effectively third on the depth chart for the better part of his first season.
I understand ya, but I would hope he can take the snaps that DJ has been getting... and dropping
It bothers me a bit that O'Brien's staff couldn't coach up Posey to be a slot guy
OR
use Posey at the #2 spot - with Hopkins at #1 and A.J. in the slot.
that lineup has to be better than having that shrimp Demaris Johnson in the slot.
Agreed on all counts. If OB can put packages together with AJ, DHop, and Devante Parker together at the same time then taking this kid at 16 would be a home run. I think he's got A.J. Green/Josh Gordon type skills.
If simply improving the slot specifically is in order though, that can be addressed later in the draft with a Rashad Greene or Tyler Lockett (also helping our return game) while getting an impact player in the first who can be asked a lot of as early as week 1.
Let's see...
The Texans defense was dominant at the end of the season, the offensive line tied with New England for fourth fewest sacks in the league, and they have a great running back and two very good wide receivers.
The Texans were one good quarterback away from making the playoffs this year, and they were good enough everywhere else to possibly make a nice playoff run. Also, except for a very few years with good Schaub, the Texans have always been weak at quarterback.
So...
How about a quarterback?
The Texans defense was dominant at the end of the season, the offensive line tied with New England for fourth fewest sacks in the league, and they have a great running back and two very good wide receivers.
The Texans were one good quarterback away from making the playoffs this year, and they were good enough everywhere else to possibly make a nice playoff run. Also, except for a very few years with good Schaub, the Texans have always been weak at quarterback.
So...
How about a quarterback?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Carr, Bortles, Bridgewater, etc. say that isn't near as absolute as you make it.
Its a draft not a magic show. They can't just pull one out of a hat.
Magic? The Texans had one of the worst quarterback situations in the league the past couple of years, and it might not be any better next year. Yet somehow last year and this year there isn't a quarterback in the draft who could help the team. Takes more message board sleight-of-hand to conjure up that bit of "logic" than drafting a good quarterback, difficult and magical as that is.
==================================
Even the "low risk" approach is magical. Take the once in a generation, guaranteed impact player 1/1. Poof! The first pick in the draft is gone into thin air.
If the solution to a chronic problem is long term, then by all means put if off a couple more years.
Nope, it doesn't sound any better when I put it that way.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Nothing is absolute, but OB has stated publicly that his coaching philosophy is not to start rookie QB's. OB's offense is complex and requires the QB to not just pick up on the mental aspects of quarterbacking his offense, but to also learn the responsibilities of blocking assignments for the Oline. He makes these calls at the line, as well. The natural progression of the learning curve would have the young QB earn the backup position his second year before challenging for the starting spot his third.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Then better to draft on a year or two before the need is desperate, huh?
Number19
Hall of Fame
When OB evaluates and grades his QB's over the next couple weeks, he may have to re-evaluate the decision he made going into this past season. But I think the game plan is for Mallet to be the guy. If this works out, then making a decision on Savage, and whether to draft another QB, may be postponed until 2016.
Fans are looking at the QB situation as part of the 12 year history of the franchise. OB is looking at it from the perspective that we're only going into the second year of his plan.
And if there is only a Bortles and he's out of our reach do we waste our first pick reaching for a guy? This may actually be the worst QB class in years.
then tell us who the good QB we should draft is?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So we are having 3 epically bad QB drafts in a row? I'm betting the evaluators are missing something.
But in any event, you quoted a post having nothing to do with the merits of any individual QB but on wait time until QBs can/do start in the NFL.