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Pittsburgh at New England

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The season is here. A full season's compliment of NFL games is upon us beginning with that first taste tonight.

How's about some meaningful NFL football!

If I had my way it wouldn't be New England because of the predictable focus of tonight's broadcast, but I'll take it.
 
Can I wish for a totally inept game that ends in a tie since both can't lose by 100? How about 80 illegal hit resulting in $5M in total fines and 40 player suspensions and 20 coaching suspensions?

Can anyone guess that these are 2 of the 3 most repulsive teams in the NFL with the third being Indy.
 
I'm going to do my best to avoid all of the b.s. and focus on actual football. See if I can listen to a Steelers radio broadcast.


The New England Patriots have declared CB Justin Coleman, DL Khyri Thornton, DL Rufus Johnson, C Ryan Wendell, CB Tavon Wilson, RB Travaris Cadet, DL Trey Flowers inactive for Week 1.


Steelers inactives: QB Landry Jones, WR Sammie Coates, CB Ross Cockrell, OL Chris Hubbard, TE Jesse James, DL L.T. Walton, DE Caushaud Lyons


Dale Lolley @dlolleyor
Steelers HC Mike Tomlin on if he's gotten to know Belichick: No I haven't.

If he's tried to get to know Belichick: No I haven't


No Leveon Bell, no Martavis Bryant, no Maurkice Pouncey for Steelers.
 
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Tomlin is beside himself pissed off.

He warned officials before the game about opponent headphones interference, and sure enough the interference comes. Patriots give no facks.
 
Our first drive could look just like Pittsburgh's did, missed field goal & all, we'd be talking about firing Rick Smith.

& that's with one of those better than average QBs
 
That was an interesting play fake. Looked like a zone stretch to the right. RB stretches it, QB stretches it... but he pulls the ball back & sets up pretty much outside the RT.

I'm used to seeing the boot action. Off that kind of motion. Odd seeing the QB sething up there & throwing the ball.
 
Down by 14, thirty some seconds left in the half. On their 30... going for it on 4th down

I can dig it.
 
Maybe teams should actually lobby the NFL to force the Pats to play with under-inflated balls. Brady is lights out, so far.
 
Karma is biting the NFL in the ass. If NE can confabricate (yes, I made that word up) a semblance of a defense, they might actually hit 19-0. The O is hitting on every cylinder, even on fumbles.
 
Karma is biting the NFL in the ass. If NE can confabricate (yes, I made that word up) a semblance of a defense, they might actually hit 19-0. The O is hitting on every cylinder, even on fumbles.

Not even to discredit Brady/Belichick, they're incredible blah blah blah, but Pittsburgh has about as sorry a secondary group going in the league. And their front seven is far from loaded as well.
 
Not even to discredit Brady/Belichick, they're incredible blah blah blah, but Pittsburgh has about as sorry a secondary group going in the league. And their front seven is far from loaded as well.
I agree, but Brady is shredding them like crazy. He appears to have an incredible chip on his shoulder and has something to prove. And doing it in the rain, with "properly" inflated footballs. lol
 
Gronk winning makes me a winner. 27.7 fantasy points so far.
 
Wow! Big Ben went all Schaub and drastically underthrew that INT. Isn't he supposed to have superior arm strength?
 
Wow! Big Ben went all Schaub and drastically underthrew that INT. Isn't he supposed to have superior arm strength?

Kinda hard figuring out what everyone is going to do once you get to that stage of the play... total offensive break down.

That touchdown shows he can still put some zip on it. Right through the defenders hands.
 
Steelers look poorly coached to me. No communication on defense, constantly out of position, can't run an organized two minute drill, etc.

I know Tomlin has a ring and a great career record, but I really do think he's overrated. He inherited Roethlisberger and Dick Lebeau and rode them to a title. Got no problem with that but the team has progressively gotten worse under his watch. He's a defensive coach and his defense is just brutal. He's a defensive backs coach and PIT has one of the worst secondaries in the league.
 
We aren't talking about the same plays.

You're talking about the one he got intercepted on. After rewatching, I can't imagine why he'd throw it any where other than at the pylon... so forget I said anything.

The TD I was talking about, he threw as I was typing that post. Showed plenty of arm strength.
 
I liked the broadcast once the game got started. I thought they did a good job at sticking to football. The pregame was enough to make me sick, though.
 
Nice opening game... Just watched it as live. Interesting to see Scobee brought the "Winner"-mentiality from Jacksonville to Pittsburgh. The little guys and the big guys of the Pats are simply unstoppable. (I am still hoping Fiedorowicz and Watt are the same kind of Red zone threat :evil:).
 
That was an interesting play fake. Looked like a zone stretch to the right. RB stretches it, QB stretches it... but he pulls the ball back & sets up pretty much outside the RT.

I'm used to seeing the boot action. Off that kind of motion. Odd seeing the QB sething up there & throwing the ball.

Patriots ran that same type of play action against us in the play offs.

One of those smallish white guys was the recipient.
 
So what time are tryouts today for the Steelers? You have to believe there will be some kickers trying out.
 
Brady just completed another pass to Edelman! Geez, memo to Tomlin and the Steelers D, you might want to cover #'s 11 and 87. Just an FYI. Steelers screwed the pooch on that first drive with that crap trick play that went backward. Two blatant "pick" plays by the Patriots not called, typical though. And that was before I fell asleep. The Patriots started two rooks on the OL and they did fairly well. How about DeAngelo Williams going for 120 something yards? Not bad for an old RB.
 
I think Belichick is just an arrogant, egotistical prick. Why else would he pull this crap other than to give the "Shield" the middle finger. I haven't involved myself with all the spy and deflate gate crap, but this is getting ridiculous.

What's sad is, I think the Pats would be championship good without the cheating crap.
 
What's sad is, I think the Pats would be championship good without the cheating crap.

I think most agree with that right there. Which is why its so damn annoying. You are already good! You dont need to do this! Greed man. Makes people do crazy ****.
 

I always believe that any time the Patriots are on the field some cheating is going down. I don't even hate them. I like the Patriots but I no longer can look at them objectively and think that everything is on the up and up. I just can't make myself do it. That's called destroying your own reputation there and carving out a new one as a cheater. When people watching always think the worst of you because of what you've done in the past then you've really screwed up.

Everybody's getting an asterisk to go on their legacy now. They should have a ceremony on opening day next year to hand them out like they do Super Bowl rings. Give everybody a big gold diamond encrusted asterisk paperweight or something.
 
Ben Roethlisberger Says The Patriots Defense Bent The Rules

Barry Petchesky
9/11/15 9:45am


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Oh, hey, that confusing headset brouhaha wasn’t the only spot of controversy in last night’s 28-21 New England win. Ben Roethlesberger took issue with the Patriots’ defense’s tactics on a crucial third-and-goal, a shift designed to draw the Steelers into a false start. It worked to perfection, and Roethlisberger wonders how the Patriots got away with it.

Early in the fourth quarter, with Pittsburgh down 10, the Steelers found themselves with first-and-goal from the one. After two failed attempts to get in, New England’s defensive front shifted in concert, causing two of the Steelers’ linemen to jump. LT Kelvin Beachum was flagged for the false start.

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It was clearly a designed play with the express intent of doing exactly what it did. Roethlisberger screamed at the officials, begging for a flag on the Patriots, but to no avail. Even after the game he remained a bit salty.

“I thought that there was a rule against that,” Roethlisberger told reporters. “Maybe there’s not. Maybe it’s just an unwritten rule. … We saw it on film, that the Patriots do that. They shift and slide and do stuff on the goal line, knowing that it’s an itchy trigger finger-type down there.

“In my years of playing, a defensive guy can’t bark stuff or move in the middle of a cadence. I agree that the ref said, ‘Well, he didn’t go in the neutral zone.’ … I was arguing the fact that he shifted in the middle of a cadence.”

This one should be pretty easy to clear up, right? If the Patriots did something illegal, you’d assume it’d be in the rulebook. And if not, this would be a case like last year’s playoff game that saw the Ravens steaming over a pair of ineligible-receiver plays that were clearly legal, where we just get to make fun of the team that didn’t know the rules for being outfoxed by the Patriots. (Incidentally, we learned from last night’s Do Your Job mini-doc that those two plays were named “Baltimore” and “Raven.”)

But it’s not quite so clear-cut. NFL rule 12.3.1(j) prohibits

“Using acts or words by the defensive team that are designed to disconcert an offensive team at the snap.”

The proper penalty for that violation would be an unsportsmanlike conduct call on the defense.

But how do you define “disconcert,” or even “acts” here? It’s vague, frustratingly and perhaps intentionally so: it gives leeway to the officials. Historically, the rule has been invoked to punish defenses for giving vocal signals—here, the Patriots were instead cued to move on Roethlisberger’s cadence—though merely shifting has on occasion been flagged. It was not out of the ordinary for the Steelers to be penalized; it would not have been unheard of for the call to go against the Patriots. Football is confusing.

Chalk this one up as another mini-coup by the Patriots, who, perhaps more than any other team, are aware of exactly what they are and aren’t allowed to do and aren’t afraid to push at the boundaries that aren’t so firm. It’s a minor thing, but these minor things add up—the Steelers had to settle for a field goal and never got any closer than seven.

[USA Today]

After all the bad publicity from the Brady controversy, all forces were working feverishly to see that the Patriots won this game............whether they did or not............
 
After all the bad publicity from the Brady controversy, all forces were working feverishly to see that the Patriots won this game............whether they did or not............
Was kinda obvious Pats yelled out snap counts there when you see one side of Steelers line fire out in unison before the ball. Refs weren't interested.



Because it was not a complete system failure, New England’s coaches were not required to shut down their headsets during the repairs, leaving Tomlin upset that it was a competitive advantage to New England.

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said offensive coordinator Todd Haley “was going nuts” on the Steelers sideline, but that Haley did not think anybody believed him.

Haley let injured backup quarterback Bruce Gradkowski listen to his headset to confirm the audio issue.
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During the NBC telecast, analyst Cris Collinsworth, a former player, said,


“Opponents would not call that trouble. They would call that … whatever. Every team I know of has some story of what happens to them in this stadium and of course Deflategate was all part of that.

“It is unsettling for a visiting team to come in here and have something like that happen. You want to start the game and say we’re on an equal playing field. I guarantee Mike Tomlin is hot right now.”
 
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Patriots ran that same type of play action against us in the play offs.

One of those smallish white guys was the recipient.

I liked it. I wondered why we didn't see that type of play action when our QB was physically unable to run the bootleg.
 
Brady just completed another pass to Edelman! Geez, memo to Tomlin and the Steelers D, you might want to cover #'s 11 and 87.

That's probably what they were thinking when 88 scored that TD. Or anytime 80 & 33 made a play.


Two blatant "pick" plays by the Patriots not called, typical though. And that was before I fell asleep.

I hope to see a lot more of that in Houston. Maybe Hoyer can look like the GOAT.
 
Was kinda obvious Pats yelled out snap counts there when you see one side of Steelers line fire out in unison before the ball. Refs weren't interested.



Because it was not a complete system failure, New England’s coaches were not required to shut down their headsets during the repairs, leaving Tomlin upset that it was a competitive advantage to New England.

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said offensive coordinator Todd Haley “was going nuts” on the Steelers sideline, but that Haley did not think anybody believed him.

Haley let injured backup quarterback Bruce Gradkowski listen to his headset to confirm the audio issue.
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During the NBC telecast, analyst Cris Collinsworth, a former player, said,


“Opponents would not call that trouble. They would call that … whatever. Every team I know of has some story of what happens to them in this stadium and of course Deflategate was all part of that.

“It is unsettling for a visiting team to come in here and have something like that happen. You want to start the game and say we’re on an equal playing field. I guarantee Mike Tomlin is hot right now.”

The DLman closest to the Center moves "over" the goal line when he shifted. Looks like that could be called the neutral zone.
 
HeadsetGate? Patriots aren’t dumb enough to have cheated Thursday night.


By Adam Kilgore September 11 at 8:55 AM

The New England Patriots long ago forfeited the benefit of the doubt, long ago lost the ability to prevent suspicion from turning into full-blown accusation. So Pittsburgh Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin had no problem turning what was likely a flub by the National Football League into another brushfire for the reigning Super Bowl champions.

In its opening game, a 28-21 victory for the Patriots, you would have thought the NFL could count on actual football to muzzle the consuming theme of the offseason. Nope. The season started, and still the story line remains the Patriots’ allegedly nefarious means of victory.

The Steelers heard the Patriots’ radio broadcast over their coach-to-coach headsets on the sidelines. Tomlin gave no credence to any explanation – the NFL controls them; the Patriots had problems, too; it’s a more common problem than you realize – and pointed his finger straight at the Patriots.

“That’s always the case,” he said in his postgame news conference.

You mean, like, in New England?

“I said what I said.”

And what, exactly, was the problem?

“We were listening to the Patriots radio broadcast for the majority of the football game on our headsets,” Tomlin said. “Coach to coach.”

Who’s ready for another Patriots controversy? Seems like it’s been a good three days since we spent nine months on one of those.

Because of their well-chronicled history of line-stepping, the Patriots deserve no sympathy. If you generate that much smoke, even if there’s not fire, don’t complain when it gets in your eyes.

But it defies logic, unless the Patriots cheat on a deeply obsessive-compulsive level, that the Patriots did anything untoward with the Steelers headsets. Bill Belichick doesn’t seem like he’s dumb enough to bluff with his cards face-up on the table.

It would be crazy to defend the Patriots’ integrity, but it would be foolish to believe they’re stupid enough to choose Thursday night as the moment to pipe Bob Socci into the other coaches’ ears. After an entire offseason of Deflategate ripples and a week of explosive, exhaustive stories about their history of rule-skirting, the Patriots would be idiotic to so blatantly cheat on a nationally televised game, with the entire football world watching. They may not be honest. They’re not dense, either.

There are more plausible explanations for why the Steelers’ headsets went haywire than a team constantly accused of cheating deciding to flout the rules with all eyes on them. The NFL has not exactly been a bastion of veracity lately when it comes to getting to the bottom of scandal, but the league explained what had happened in terms that made sense.

“In the first quarter of tonight’s game, the Pittsburgh coaches experienced interference in their headsets caused by a stadium power infrastructure issue, which was exacerbated by the inclement weather,” the statement read. “The coaches’ communications equipment, including the headsets, is provided by the NFL for both clubs use on game day. Once the power issue was addressed, the equipment functioned properly with no additional issues.”

Controlling the coaches’ methods of communication is the league’s job. The NFL’s gameday frequency coordinators “track and manage hundreds of frequencies and thousands of in-stadium frequency-dependent devices,” according to the NFL’s gameday operations Web site. “They also account for interference from sources outside of the stadium, such as TV stations and special events.”

For years, visiting teams have complained, often with a raised eyebrow, about headset failure at Gillette Stadium. But the interference happens elsewhere once or twice a season per team, one NFL assistant coach said, even if many coaches, such as Tomlin, insist that it occurs only in Foxborough.

It’s a common enough occurrence in big games, when the frequency has a greater tendency to get jammed, that the Patriots have taken steps to guard against it. During practice for last year’s Super Bowl, Belichick halted practice and instructed his coaches to drop their headsets, because he wanted them prepared to communicate in case the signal dropped during the game.

Belichick – again, hardly a neutral source – backed up the league’s account and said the Patriots had the same trouble as the Steelers.

“We had a lot of problems,” Belichick said. “We had to switch headphones a couple times. That communication system wasn’t very good. We deal with that it seems like weekly. They told us they were on the verge of shutting it off. Then I guess they got it working. So it was a problem all night.”

The NFL’s assertion will do nothing to quiet rumblings. The Steelers’ official Web site reported on the communication controversy in conspiratorial tones and raised a point that, if true, would be difficult for the Patriots or the NFL to defend:

“Strangely enough, whenever an NFL representative proceeded to the New England sideline to shut down their headsets, the Steelers headsets cleared. Then as the representative walked away from the New England sideline, the Steelers’ headsets again started to receive the Patriots game broadcast.”

Normally, there wouldn’t be much margin in siding with the Patriots. There is now. The Patriots have been caught cheating before, and they very well might be caught again the future. But Thursday night? After the offseason they just endured? That’s when they’re going to mess with the other team’s headsets? It just doesn’t hold air.

"Patriots aren’t dumb enough to have cheated Thursday night." No they aren't........but maybe they were smart enough to have done so.
 
You guys realize that all in-game communication is controlled by the NFL, not the home team. The Pats do not have access to the headsets any earlier than the Steelers do. The NFL dropped the ball here. The second the Steelers started reporting issues with the headsets they should have shut down the Pats headsets as well.
 
After all the bad publicity from the Brady controversy, all forces were working feverishly to see that the Patriots won this game............whether they did or not............

I think Ben is wrong on this one. I've never noticed defensive linemen shifting explicitly to illicit a false start.

Offensive guys are supposed to know the snap count & cadence. Nothing the D-line does, short of crossing into the neutral zone should cause an offensive lineman to move.

Now, if they were calling their own cadence I agree that's dirty... but I don't know if it's a rule.

This only makes Belichick look "good" & all others petty. Crying wolf until something sticks. Remind me of when Bill was in the White House.
 
You guys realize that all in-game communication is controlled by the NFL, not the home team. The Pats do not have access to the headsets any earlier than the Steelers do. The NFL dropped the ball here. The second the Steelers started reporting issues with the headsets they should have shut down the Pats headsets as well.

NFL guys come in and operate the switches they are given on game day. Just like you may operate the switches in your car, there's a technician in Detroit, or Japan or Germany that controls what that switch does.

The problems for visiting teams in Gillette have been notorious for years.

And even temporary problems be distracting.
 
So back to football for a second, I was not impressed with Malcom Brown. Yeah he had a sack but it looked like he was easily moved out of the way on run plays. Patriots are going to miss having Vince clogging the middle and holding his ground.
 
I think Ben is wrong on this one. I've never noticed defensive linemen shifting explicitly to illicit a false start.

Offensive guys are supposed to know the snap count & cadence. Nothing the D-line does, short of crossing into the neutral zone should cause an offensive lineman to move.

Now, if they were calling their own cadence I agree that's dirty... but I don't know if it's a rule.

This only makes Belichick look "good" & all others petty. Crying wolf until something sticks. Remind me of when Bill was in the White House.
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There is a rule against “attempting to disconcert Team A at snap by words or signals,” but a routine line slide wouldn’t seem to expressly violate that. An NFL spokesman did not immediately respond to a request seeking clarification early Friday morning.

In 2012, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct under the rule against disconcerting signals for shifting their entire field-goal block unit in an attempt to make the New Orleans Saints false start.

In 2010, Indianapolis Colts defensive lineman Antonio Johnson was flagged for calling out signals as the Tennessee Titans snapped on an extra point. Three weeks before that game, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady screamed at officials after a kneeldown play, saying a Colts player was saying “hut, hut” in the middle of his snap count.
 
You guys realize that all in-game communication is controlled by the NFL, not the home team. The Pats do not have access to the headsets any earlier than the Steelers do. The NFL dropped the ball here. The second the Steelers started reporting issues with the headsets they should have shut down the Pats headsets as well.

yep, and Patriots coaches have complained about their own home field for years, too. You'd think an owner as rich as Kraft would do something about it by now.

You'd think with all the conspiracy theorists now coming out they'd question something like the unusual collapse of building 7 fourteen years ago today.

And that's what this is - i.e. CON$piracy - when the NFL itself is in front of this story...

NFL says Patriots not to blame for headset mishap

League spokesman Michael Signora said in a statement after the game it was a “stadium power infrastructure issue, which was exacerbated by the inclement weather” that caused the interference that left Steelers coach Mike Tomlin seething after the Patriots’ 28-21 win.

“The coaches’ communications equipment, including the headsets, is provided by the NFL for both clubs use on game day,” Signora’s statement said. “Once the power issue was addressed, the equipment functioned properly with no additional issues.”
 
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