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Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of this generation

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1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. The biggest question since who was 1 or 1a.

No 1/1a bullhonky. 14:53 seconds of offense and he wins his 119th all time? Very respectful and humble in taking down a legend, one in his own organization even. Is there any wonder why this guy is so well liked? Aside from facing him twice a year I think he's probably the player I respect the most in the entire league.
 
Peyton is the best player in the league and has been for at least 5 years...probably more. He is the smartest and craftiest player, he is like a coach on the field, and he knows the rules and uses them to his advantage more than any other player I have ever seen.

In my eyes, he is the best quarterback to ever play the game. Montana won more but Manning is better. Elway had better arm and speed but Manning is better.

That being said, I hate the guy and hope he goes away soon. He has been kicking our Texans tails for too long and he needs to just go ahead and retire. I think he will still be around for another 5 years though.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Peyton is the best player in the league and has been for at least 5 years...probably more. He is the smartest and craftiest player, he is like a coach on the field, and he knows the rules and uses them to his advantage more than any other player I have ever seen.

In my eyes, he is the best quarterback to ever play the game. Montana won more but Manning is better. Elway had better arm and speed but Manning is better.

That being said, I hate the guy and hope he goes away soon. He has been kicking our Texans tails for too long and he needs to just go ahead and retire. I think he will still be around for another 5 years though.
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No. Montana was just as smart, crafty and efficient. He just won. Uncanny. Manning is up there, just not Montana in my book. I think Manning needs another SB to get near him. Also, if you read MMQB by Peter King this week he has his own list...don't agree with all but he has it. He says a similar thing about Manning and championships. People have to remember too that he was quite Romo-like or whomever you want to use in the playoffs at the start of his run. But he is incredible overall

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/09/20/mmqb/4.html

1. Otto Graham. Easy. Ten seasons, seven championships, seven passing titles.

2. Sammy Baugh. Had the best season of any player ever in 1943. Led the NFL in passing, punting and, as one of the best safeties in football, in interceptions.

3. Joe Montana. Made everyone copy Walsh's high-tech offense, and won four titles in a decade.

4. Johnny Unitas. First great modern quarterback, and great in the clutch. He'd be higher if he won more than one title in his last 14 seasons.

5. Brett Favre. Most durable, most productive quarterback of all time. Marred by only one title.

6. Peyton Manning. Could break every record if Favre ever retires. Needs another championship or two to climb the list.

7. John Elway. Two titles, though they came late, capped the career of a Unitas-type with legs.

8. Dan Marino. Prototype dropback quarterback who, arguably, was the model for the pocket quarterback of the last 40 years.

9. Roger Staubach. Might be the best player/athlete/leader of a quarterback ever, and he edges Steve Young in my book with a second title and three more title-game appearances.

10. Tom Brady. Three Super Bowl wins by age 27, and a fourth appearance at 30.
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That was unreal. Too bad for Chad Pennington that Ted Ginn can't catch a pass, Fins should have won that game.

But it's hard to disagree with the OP.
 
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Time Killer, baby this MB has a strict drug testing policy!NEITHER of these ladies can hold a candle to Mr. Ben Roethlissbuger! Big Ben can organize and move an offense. He has a cannon for an arm, can RUN up the middle as well as a full back and can deliver punishing blocks like a tightend. I'll Give Mr. Manning his due, I'll begrudingly admit that Brady has skills, but face it if either of these guys were playing circa 1970-80 something they would have been mediocre at best. Ben is a throwback to the tough QB's of the 70's and 80s. Those two other cats are noteworthy, but they can't polish Ben's second ring...YET!
 
HoustonFrog said:
No. Montana was just as smart, crafty and efficient. He just won. Uncanny. Mannign is up there, just not Montana in my book. I think Manning needs another SB to get near him. Also, if you read MMQB by Peter King this week he has his own list...don't agree with all but he has it. He says a similar thing about Manning and championships. People have to remember too that he was quite Romo-like or whomever you want to use in the playoffs at the start of his run. But he is incredible overall

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/09/20/mmqb/4.html
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What about:

Norm "The Dutchman" VanBrockman?

Terry Bradshaw


Mr. Warren Moon

Bart Star?

I'll say Brady is good, but I'll be cold & dead in the ground before I EVER call him great. He and Beli-cheat are a huge pimple on the rectum of the sport of football who don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the REAL greats of the game.
That list left a LOT of talented people out.
 
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Peyton is money. And I remember when he came out of Tennessee people were wondering if he was going to be any better than Ryan Leaf...wondering if the Colts made the right pick?

Guess they did.
 
As an old guy growing up watching Bart Starr, Unitas and the rest, I'll put Peyton Manning up there with any of them. I agree with someone earlier, he's the best player in the NFL for the past 5 years. Unfortunately for us, we have to face him twice a year.
 
mike moffat said:
As an old guy growing up watching Bart Starr, Unitas and the rest, I'll put Peyton Manning up there with any of them. I agree with someone earlier, he's the best player in the NFL for the past 5 years. Unfortunately for us, we have to face him twice a year.
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You're not that old..I can say that cause I'm right there with ya...:)

I do remember those old timers myself along with guys like Roman Gabriel and Ken Anderson...and do you remember Jim Hart with the Cards?

I think Peyton is better than all of them myself.
 
I'm partial to Brady, but it's tough to argue against Manning. The dude is the offensive coordinator on the field, which hearkens back to the old days of the NFL. He has an amazing mind for the game and obviously very talented in physical skills.

I know I will be able to tell my grandkids about seeing Manning in person quite a few times. He's a no brainer HoF player, and that says a lot when you can say that in the prime of his career.

I just wish he was an NFC QB!!! :D
 
[An initial nitpick: the question was about Manning's generation, not all time. In my mind, the only guys up for discussion currently playing or who had substantial overlap with Manning's pro career are Brady and Roethlisberger.]

I look at it this way: where would their respective teams be without them?

The Patriots were 11-5 last year playing a QB who hadn't started a game since high school. Brady is a monster QB, but he's had the benefit of playing on an indisputably great team his entire career.

The Steeler defense would pull just about any offense into the playoff picture.

If an average QB started taking snaps in Indy, I doubt that team wins five games.
 
Its funny how peoples opinions change with each game. For the past 2-3 years people would start threads, and the media would club us over the head with Brady being better than Manning because he was winning games and superbowls.

2 games into the 09 season Manning is the **** and Brady is ****. And here come the threads and media talking about Manning being the best.

When both Manning and Brady retire then we can decide who is best. Why do we need to pick a winner while they are both still in the prime of their careers...
 
Super Mario said:
When both Manning and Brady retire then we can decide who is best. Why do we need to pick a winner while they are both still in the prime of their careers...
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What does it matter? It's really a meaningless discussion. They're both great QB's who've done great things. Saying this guy is better than that guy is just mental masturbation. Everyone is going to have an opinion and most of them are right* even if they're different.

* The ones that are wrong involve VY.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
What does it matter? It's really a meaningless discussion. They're both great QB's who've done great things. Saying this guy is better than that guy is just mental masturbation. Everyone is going to have an opinion and most of them are right* even if they're different.

* The ones that are wrong involve VY.
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Agreed. But for the people who like to list them, or label them, that would be the time to do it.
 
Sorry, I'm still taking a healthy Tom Brady over Peyton........I've seen Manning play horribly in too many playoff games and that's where it matters. Also not only Brady in the Playoffs, it's getting to the point where I might even take Ben Roethlisberger over him if I needed to win a big playoff game.

Frankly the Colts should've had more than just 1 SB victory during their run....and it wasn't just the defense that stopped them, Peyton has laid multiple eggs.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Sorry, I'm still taking a healthy Tom Brady over Peyton........I've seen Manning play horribly in too many playoff games and that's where it matters. Also not only Brady in the Playoffs, it's getting to the point where I might even take Ben Roethlisberger over him if I needed to win a big playoff game.

Frankly the Colts should've had more than just 1 SB victory during their run....and it wasn't just the defense that stopped them, Peyton has laid multiple eggs.
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yep, agree, not that it matters.

:includeme:
 
Super Mario said:
Its funny how peoples opinions change with each game. For the past 2-3 years people would start threads, and the media would club us over the head with Brady being better than Manning because he was winning games and superbowls.

2 games into the 09 season Manning is the **** and Brady is ****. And here come the threads and media talking about Manning being the best.

When both Manning and Brady retire then we can decide who is best. Why do we need to pick a winner while they are both still in the prime of their careers...
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Well since their careers are current and awesome it's not a stretch to find someone comparing the two. Comparing with lists of past greats is stupid.

Also my opinion has never changed. I've been a Manning > Brady guy for always. Really, for me, it's not even all that close. I don't mean this as a Brady-bashing...I mean hell, the only guy I see you below is a guy I believe will end up as the greatest QB to play in the modern NFL. Now and probably forever. The guy defines "most valuable player"
 
Carr Bombed said:
Sorry, I'm still taking a healthy Tom Brady over Peyton........I've seen Manning play horribly in too many playoff games and that's where it matters. Also not only Brady in the Playoffs, it's getting to the point where I might even take Ben Roethlisberger over him if I needed to win a big playoff game.

Frankly the Colts should've had more than just 1 SB victory during their run....and it wasn't just the defense that stopped them, Peyton has laid multiple eggs.
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I feel the same way. The argument is always "Brady played on a better team", but name his WRs for the three Super Bowl wins! Manning had a HoF WR in Harrison up until the past season, had a great offensive line, and a good pass defense. It's not like the Colts have been bottom feeders. They have been a playoff team all along and usually lost to the Patriots in the playoffs.

All things compared, Manning was supposed to be good as a first round pick. Brady was a sixth rounder that rose to the occasion when he got his chance.

The only reason people even make the "great team" statement is because they won three rings in four seasons. Hmmmm, wonder what QB had a lot to do with that?

This is one of those debates that can be argued well from either perspective. It comes down to perception and opinion at the end of the day, the same way that people used to argue about Montana v. Elway v. Marino back in the '80's.
 
TimeKiller said:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. The biggest question since who was 1 or 1a.

No 1/1a bullhonky. 14:53 seconds of offense and he wins his 119th all time? Very respectful and humble in taking down a legend, one in his own organization even. Is there any wonder why this guy is so well liked? Aside from facing him twice a year I think he's probably the player I respect the most in the entire league.
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Tom Brady is the guy you were talking about. He's beaten Manning in bigger games and more playoff games. He has 3 SB's to Manning's one and one other SB appearance in which his offense was winning the game, and their defense failed to stop Eli Manning of all people to where he would have had 4 SB rings. Brady has also done this with multiple sets of WR's where none of them were really pro bowl material until Moss got there while throughout Manning's career he's had two HOF WR's in Wayne and Harrison. The first and only season that Brady had a real deal elite WR, Brady broke the TD record and led the best offense of all time where he had 50 TD's beating Manning's 48 and that same offense scored more than any other offense of all time.

Brady has also not only led not one but TWO game winning drives in the SB.

Tom Brady is easily this era's Joe Montana. He moves just like Joe. His passes have the same similar touch that Joe's passes did. He has that same exact poise that Joe had and again Brady has had to do all of this with multiple sets of WR's going in and out of there and Joe had Jerry freaking Rice for most of his career. Not saying that Brady was better than Joe, but he is easily this era's Joe Montana while Manning is more like this era's John Elway.
 
I like Brady a lot and he has more hardware than Manning, but I think Manning is better. Manning means more to the Colts than Brady to the Patriots, and that was proven last year with Cassell's production and the Patriots continued success at 11-5. I think that is where the difference lies.

Brady is prolific but Manning is just pro. The guy is an encyclopedia of football knowledge and reads defenses in his sleep. And if you want to talk about QBs struggling in big games, Brady has struggled in big games before. Don't fool yourself. His teams are just equipped to overcome and not rely on him as much as the Colts with Peyton. Once they put a halfway decent defense with the Colts they won a Super Bowl.

Manning gets the nod....
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I like Brady a lot and he has more hardware than Manning, but I think Manning is better. Manning means more to the Colts than Brady to the Patriots, and that was proven last year with Cassell's production and the Patriots continued success at 11-5. I think that is where the difference lies.
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That didn't prove anything. Cassel simply went in there and played well and their running game did a nice job last year. Plus, he had two great targets to throw to in Moss and Welker. And how the hell do you know that the same thing couldn't have possibly happened in Indy had Manning gone down? You don't know that.

Second Honeymoon said:
Brady is prolific but Manning is just pro. The guy is an encyclopedia of football knowledge and reads defenses in his sleep. And if you want to talk about QBs struggling in big games, Brady has struggled in big games before.
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Not as many as Manning has. Brady's 4 trips to the SB and running through the playoffs to Manning's one trip to the SB is evidence of that.

Second Honeymoon said:
Don't fool yourself. His teams are just equipped to overcome and not rely on him as much as the Colts with Peyton. Once they put a halfway decent defense with the Colts they won a Super Bowl.
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And again, you forget about the weapons that Manning had compared to the weapons Brady has had for most of their careers. The talent that Manning has had on offense far out weighs what Brady has had. The Patriots had some pretty good defenses but it's not like they were anywhere near as good as what the Steelers had last season or the Ravens and the Bucs when they won their SB's.

Second Honeymoon said:
Manning gets the nod....
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Right after Brady that is.
 
Texecutioner said:
Tom Brady is the guy you were talking about. He's beaten Manning in bigger games and more playoff games. He has 3 SB's to Manning's one and one other SB appearance in which his offense was winning the game, and their defense failed to stop Eli Manning of all people to where he would have had 4 SB rings. Brady has also done this with multiple sets of WR's where none of them were really pro bowl material until Moss got there while throughout Manning's career he's had two HOF WR's in Wayne and Harrison. The first and only season that Brady had a real deal elite WR, Brady broke the TD record and led the best offense of all time where he had 50 TD's beating Manning's 48 and that same offense scored more than any other offense of all time.

Brady has also not only led not one but TWO game winning drives in the SB.

Tom Brady is easily this era's Joe Montana. He moves just like Joe. His passes have the same similar touch that Joe's passes did. He has that same exact poise that Joe had and again Brady has had to do all of this with multiple sets of WR's going in and out of there and Joe had Jerry freaking Rice for most of his career. Not saying that Brady was better than Joe, but he is easily this era's Joe Montana while Manning is more like this era's John Elway.
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I know you probably mean just in overall talent, but I can't believe you said that, lol. Manning trying to scramble: :bender:

I think Peyton Manning is the SMARTEST QB I've ever seen (at least football-wise anyway). That's what's SO impressive about him. Brady, like all those other guys getting mentioned, is better than him in most other ways.

What about Matt Schaub, people. :) Sheez! :foottap: I mean he kinda looks like Manning anyway.
 
HJam72 said:
I know you probably mean just in overall talent, but I can't believe you said that, lol. Manning trying to scramble: :bender:

I think Peyton Manning is the SMARTEST QB I've ever seen (at least football-wise anyway). That's what's SO impressive about him. Brady, like all those other guys getting mentioned, is better than him in most other ways.

What about Matt Schaub, people. :) Sheez! :foottap: I mean he kinda looks like Manning anyway.
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Brady just reminds me of Elway man. He just does. Kind of hard to explain it. Manning is a guy that has had so many great seasons but only one SB appearence. He'd easily have about 3 already, if it wasn't for Tom Brady being around when the Colts and the Pats would battle it out with the Pats winning more of those matches.

Most people rank Joe Montana as the greatest QB to ever play and well I've always thought so. However when it's all said and done if this injury that Brady got last season doesn't effect him much, then I think Brady will be the best even over Joe possibly. But as it stands now, Brady is a carbon copy of what Joe was. Brady doesn't have the best arm in the league, but he has one of the best. He's very accurate, and his passes have such a similar velocity to them that Montana's did. He moves just like Joe did, his poise is just like Joe's was and the way he won games in his first few SB's was very similar by simply trying to get it done and not worrying about huge passing stats. But once Brady got some real WR's he became worldly and like a god at the position stat wise right away.
 
Hooston Texan said:
[An initial nitpick: the question was about Manning's generation, not all time. In my mind, the only guys up for discussion currently playing or who had substantial overlap with Manning's pro career are Brady and Roethlisberger.]

I look at it this way: where would their respective teams be without them?

The Patriots were 11-5 last year playing a QB who hadn't started a game since high school. Brady is a monster QB, but he's had the benefit of playing on an indisputably great team his entire career.

The Steeler defense would pull just about any offense into the playoff picture.

If an average QB started taking snaps in Indy, I doubt that team wins five games.
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Second Honeymoon said:
I like Brady a lot and he has more hardware than Manning, but I think Manning is better. Manning means more to the Colts than Brady to the Patriots, and that was proven last year with Cassell's production and the Patriots continued success at 11-5. I think that is where the difference lies.


Manning gets the nod....
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I don't get this argument. Manning had a load of talent on the Colts...a HOF WR and top RBs. Along with a Top WR2. They also had a good D. Brady won SBs with scrub WRS until a couple of years back when they got Moss and Welker. They had guys like Antoine Smith playing RB from U of H and their WRs were Troy Brown, David Patton and Deion Branch. Guys who have done nothing since. Seriously, Brady had no one and basically won games on his own while Manning got his tail handed to him for about 3-4 years straight in the playoffs. Brady always did more with less talent and now last year is an example of how another QB could step in?
 
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Tom Brady is the guy you were talking about. He's beaten Manning in bigger games and more playoff games. He has 3 SB's to Manning's one and one other SB appearance in which his offense was winning the game, and their defense failed to stop Eli Manning of all people to where he would have had 4 SB rings. Brady has also done this with multiple sets of WR's where none of them were really pro bowl material until Moss got there while throughout Manning's career he's had two HOF WR's in Wayne and Harrison. The first and only season that Brady had a real deal elite WR, Brady broke the TD record and led the best offense of all time where he had 50 TD's beating Manning's 48 and that same offense scored more than any other offense of all time.
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This is still a team sport, if you're talking about the teams that were playing when the two were on the same field, yes, the Patriots are and have been the better team. You won't get any argument from me there. But I mean...you say Manning has always had great receivers but note that Brady didn't really accumulate the kind of numbers Manning did until he got one of them HOF receiver types. Who makes who?
Brady has also not only led not one but TWO game winning drives in the SB.
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Manning has never been accused of cheating. I hate playing this card but there it is.
Tom Brady is easily this era's Joe Montana. He moves just like Joe. His passes have the same similar touch that Joe's passes did. He has that same exact poise that Joe had and again Brady has had to do all of this with multiple sets of WR's going in and out of there and Joe had Jerry freaking Rice for most of his career. Not saying that Brady was better than Joe, but he is easily this era's Joe Montana while Manning is more like this era's John Elway.
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I guess I'd say Manning is this era's Dan Marino. Oddly enough, I've always thought Marino was a better QB than Montana. I'm not talking about teams now or with Colts/Pats. I'm talking about QBs. Brady has a mastermind behind him. Manning IS the mastermind. Montanady had a great team through and through, Marinning WAS/IS the team.
And how the hell do you know that the same thing couldn't have possibly happened in Indy had Manning gone down? You don't know that.
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You seriously think Jim Sorgi runs the team the same as Peyton freaking Manning? I'll tell you how to figure that one out. Nobody has ever offered anything to trade for Jim Sorgi. If he could step in and be Peyton...he would have already....for a different team....like Matt Cassel.
 
If you look at stats for comparison:

Manning throws an INT for every 36 passes he throws. Brady is 1 INT for every 43 passes he's thrown. Winner: Brady

Manning has thrown a TD for every 18 passes, Brady a TD for every 18 passes. TIE

Passes thrown in a single season is 50 vs. 49. Brady (barely)

Let's not forget that a lot of Manning's numbers were against playing an expansion team twice a year. Anyone recall his audible to passes against the Texans in a fourth quarter blowout game so he could get the record that season?

They are almost tied in completion percentage (64.5% vs. 63%). Manning

Rings, 3 to 1. Brady

Super Bowl appearances, 4 to 1. Brady

Playoff records: Brady = 14-3 (.824) [the second best in NFL history behind Bart Starr 9-1, .900], Manning = 7-7 (.500). Brady

Entering 2009, Brady has thrown 2.29 times more touchdowns than interceptions. His touchdown-to-interception ratio is the best in NFL history among all players with 2,000 or more passing attempts. Steve Young ranks second in NFL history with a 2.17 touchdown-to-interception ratio.

Brady won 76 of his first 100 regular-season starts, tying Roger Staubach's mark for most victories by a quarterback in his first 100 starts during the Super Bowl Era (since 1966).

Brady enters 2009 as the NFL's all-time leader in overtime wins without a defeat, recording a perfect 7-0 mark in overtime in his career. Terry Bradshaw is the only other quarterback to be undefeated in at least five overtime games, posting a 5-0 record.

Brady has orchestrated 28 game-winning drives to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter or overtime. Six of his game-winning efforts have come in the postseason, where he has played in 17 games.

Brady led a game-winning drive to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter of each of the Patriots' three Super Bowl victories, becoming the only quarterback in NFL history to lead three such game-winning drives in the Super Bowl.

Brady owns the Super Bowl record for pass completions in a game, connecting on 32 passes in Super Bowl XXXVIII.

Brady completed the first 162 passes of his career without an interception. It was the longest streak to start a career in NFL history.

I'm not debating that Manning is a HoF QB and all, but I just find it ludicrous to dismiss what Brady is as a QB in this league.
 
If Manning was better than Brady he would have more than 1 Super Bowl win and appearance.

I find it ridiculous that people think Manning is better than Brady. If Manning was better he would have proven it by now by winning more Super Bowls.

He not only lost to Brady in the playoffs a few times he also lost to the 6th seeded Steelers and the Billy Volek, Michael Turner led Chargers both at HOME.

I love to watch Peyton play he's a great player but if he was really better he would have proven it with more rings.

In my opinion he's overrated to an extent. A phenomenal regular season QB but always comes up short in the playoffs. He was lucky to get his one Super Bowl ring as Rex Grossman was the MVP of that game, the guy couldnt have played any worse.

Brady is better, there is no disputing it.
 
If I started a team tomorrow I would begin with Manning. His football intelligence and work ethic are unquestioned, and has found success with the weight of insane expectations since he was born with the last name.

I love Brady, but Manning is in another category for me. The Brady book ain't finished, and am intrigued to see how the rest of his career plays out post injury.
 
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If Manning was better than Brady he would have more than 1 Super Bowl win and appearance.

I find it ridiculous that people think Manning is better than Brady. If Manning was better he would have proven it by now by winning more Super Bowls.

He not only lost to Brady in the playoffs a few times he also lost to the 6th seeded Steelers and the Billy Volek, Michael Turner led Chargers both at HOME.

I love to watch Peyton play he's a great player but if he was really better he would have proven it with more rings.

In my opinion he's overrated to an extent. A phenomenal regular season QB but always comes up short in the playoffs. He was lucky to get his one Super Bowl ring as Rex Grossman was the MVP of that game, the guy couldnt have played any worse.

Brady is better, there is no disputing it.
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except it's a team game
 
You can't really compare individual players on team accomplishments. And football is not like baseball, where stats tell most of the story. I happen to believe Manning is the better of the two QBs. Brady has had more team success, obviously. Manning went to the SB with the worst run defense in the NFL. Brady's early teams had defenses that could keep them close so Vinatieri would win it.

I'm not taking anything away from Brady, though. The guy was a late round pick and he bucked up and improved his game to do the job. I get the feeling that his leadership is based in camaraderie, whereas with Peyton, it's more general-like. I guess you can choose which one you like better. Personally, I believe that if you placed Manning on those Pats teams, they still win 3 SBs, and if you place Brady on those Colts teams, they still win one SB.

For the record, I hate Peyton and wish he'd retire. I only dislike Brady, and wish his chin dimple would swallow up his face.

I like Brees, though, and he might be as good as either one of them.
 
I wouldn't give the nod to Peyton over Brady. I don't recall Brady playing in huge blowouts in the 4th quarter throwing bombs.
 
I like Drew Brees.
Brees won in S.D. back when they were playing Marty-Ball. He's the guy who put the Saints on the map when everyone was gah-gah over Rooty Poot ...err, Reggie Bush.

I'm not sure Manning or Brady would have flourished in either place as they have with their current teams.

If I'm starting a new team and you're making me choose between the three - say for some incomprehensible reason all three are available in the expansion draft - I could flip a coin and not go wrong. But I'd be more inclined to take Brees. He just seems more regular guy and less celebrity than the other two. Like Andre Johnson.
 
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Playoff records: Brady = 14-3 (.824) [the second best in NFL history behind Bart Starr 9-1, .900], Manning = 7-7 (.500). Brady
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Excellent post and research.

One thing that has always stood out to me (and I would remind folks of my post up thread lauding Manning) is the playoff record. It is an odd QB and team related stat. A guy who some argued was pedestrian and didn't really deserve the Hall of Fame was Troy Aikman. Never put up numbers like Manning during the regular season. Aikman's game improved as the competition got better and in the playoffs was sick. Just there for contrast rather than to say Aikman was better overall. I think Aikman was a better leader and more accurate but Manning is the better analyzer and on the field coach.

Whatever though. I would pick Staubach in his prime over anyone else. In my opinion, Rodger "the dodger" "the comeback kid" Staubach was the perfect balance of brilliant in the pocket passer who could run if that was what was needed. But that was a different generation.
 
The thing Manning has against him is he always looks long ball. He never helps his D out by playing clock managment. You are not always going to get a bomb to work and if your D is on the field 3/4 of the game you set them up to get worn out and lose it for you are in the end. Scoring fast is good end game not bombing down the field in the 1st.
 
1. Teams play games, not individuals.

2. Rings do not reflect a player's talent. They reflect a TEAM'S talent.

DB brought a few statistics to the table that are as individual as stats get in football and most of them favor Brady, I won't try to deny them. Tom Brady is a hell of a QB and any team would be lucky to have him as part of the franchise.

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The thing Manning has against him is he always looks long ball. He never helps his D out by playing clock managment. You are not always going to get a bomb to work and if your D is on the field 3/4 of the game you set them up to get worn out and lose it for you are in the end. Scoring fast is good end game not bombing down the field in the 1st.
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Wow.

I mean really...

Manning never helps his D out by playing clock management? Really? Must be nice to know on D that everytime you feel good and damn ready to make ONE stop you'll get 7 points on the board and even if you don't you're probably still gonna get 7. And even if you spend 3 quarters on the field there is still a good chance of you winning. And when that does happen, somebody somewhere is going to try to pick apart the 5th alltime winningest QB's CLOCK MANAGEMENT. Silly
 
ObsiWan said:
I like Drew Brees.
Brees won in S.D. back when they were playing Marty-Ball. He's the guy who put the Saints on the map when everyone was gah-gah over Rooty Poot ...err, Reggie Bush.

I'm not sure Manning or Brady would have flourished in either place as they have with their current teams.

If I'm starting a new team and you're making me choose between the three - say for some incomprehensible reason all three are available in the expansion draft - I could flip a coin and not go wrong. But I'd be more inclined to take Brees. He just seems more regular guy and less celebrity than the other two. Like Andre Johnson.
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I think Drew's the youngest of the three as well, off the top of my head.

He definitely doesn't have the skins on the wall for his career to be mentioned with those other two guys yet, but hopefully we can change that. I'm with you, though, in that I think he's the best playing the game at the moment.

It was weird watching Peyton do his air traffic control routine on Monday night without the familar faces on the receiving end of the calls. No Marvin Harrison, no Anthony Gonzalez. Instead we had Austin Collie and Pierre Garçon. Weird.
 
Since the 16 game schedule was implemented how many 10 win seasons did the Colts have before Manning? Zero. Since Manning has been there they have won 10 games 9 of his 11 years. I would say the guy is a winner.

How many Super Bowls has Parcells won since Belichick has not been on his staff? Zero. Brady is terrific, but Belichick is the man. Kind of reminds me of Walsh and Montana, probably why we get so many compares.
 
Off the top of my head the best QB's I've ever personally seen are Marino, Elway, Manning, Brady, Montana. There is a group that is almost as good but the names are too numerous to mention but they range from Dan Fouts to Warren Moon with a lot of Steve Young mixed in.
 
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