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Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez to be Questioned

disaacks3 said:
True, but only if all these acts were inadmissible in court. (Not only that, but you've shown authorities what / where to look) It'll sure play like a pattern to a jury though.

In general I'm with you though, as in the long run it might've been the wiser choice.
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I don't know about this place particularly but in many jurisdictions conduct like this is admissible in and of itself as evidence of the crime. One of the great mysteries of the world is why the OJ prosecutors did not introduce the slow speed getaway attempt.
 
How far can destroying a cell phone get you?

Can't the phone company offer up his call records, or look into cell phone towers?
 
Lurvinator11 said:
How far can destroying a cell phone get you?

Can't the phone company offer up his call records, or look into cell phone towers?
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Sure they can. What they can't do is determine exactly what the content of the transmitted message was.

Edit: I think. I'm not really sure exactly how it works but that's what my feeble mind came up with. :^0
 
Lurvinator11 said:
How far can destroying a cell phone get you?

Can't the phone company offer up his call records, or look into cell phone towers?
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Additionally, cell phones for all parties involved -- and the deceased -- will have been taken into evidence and who called whom when will be determined. Cell phone records are indispensable in these cases, I was told. As a result, investigators will send “preservation letters” to cell providers requesting the provider to lock all information down for a period of time so that if a phone is destroyed, the information is still retrievable on a server somewhere.
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http://www.csnne.com/article/whats-store-aaron-hernandez
 
drs23 said:
Sure they can. What they can't do is determine exactly what the content of the transmitted message was.

Edit: I think. I'm not really sure exactly how it works but that's what my feeble mind came up with. :^0
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FYI re. text message preservation on servers. Without a "stay" request:

T-Mobile ~48 hrs
ATT ~72 hrs
Verizon ~5 days
Sprint ~2 weeks
 
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Belichick's a genius. I was wondering how he was going to get around the TimTebow Circus.

I think this will do it.


No doubt in my mind who planted that body.



Well played Bill. Well played.
 
The funny thing is that Hernandez, at UF, was always highlighted as a kid that grew up "tough," but was able to stay away from the bad stuff. This guy sounds like a straight thug.
 
The GM who received the negative reports said information from a background check indicated that Hernandez - who has never been suspended for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy during his tenure with the Patriots - attempted to mask drug use.
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FOX Sports has learned one of the services that provide predraft psychological profiles for select NFL teams gave Hernandez a perfect test score when he was coming out of the University of Florida following his junior season.

“It’s an interesting thing,” the executive said. “Other guys have gotten written up with much worse scores but not gotten into trouble.”
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I will say this, those of us that listen to John and Sean (as in Granato aka @johngranato and Pendergast aka @SeanCablinAsian) and make fun of Seanny being from Connecticut with the "Blue Blood" schitck,

Seanny offers up the fact that Bristol, Connecticut is not *ahem* a "Blue Blood Town"...... In fact referenced it as a "rough Town" which by association relates to a town with "gang" problems of their own.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I will say this, those of us that listen to John and Sean (as in Granato aka @johngranato and Pendergast aka @SeanCablinAsian) and make fun of Seanny being from Connecticut with the "Blue Blood" schitck,

Seanny offers up the fact that Bristol, Connecticut is not *ahem* a "Blue Blood Town"...... In fact referenced it as a "rough Town" which by association relates to a town with "gang" problems of their own.
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Dang Bill, just about everybody has gangs these days, so not sure if that's really a qualifier as a "rough town". Boise, Id. has some gang activity and yet few really think of that city in the context of the "mean streets" of Boise.
 
IDEXAN said:
Dang Bill, just about everybody has gangs these days, so not sure if that's really a qualifier as a "rough town". Boise, Id. has some gang activity and yet few really think of that city in the context of the "mean streets" of Boise.
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First hit on "mean streets of boise" (that was too good not to search) Link
 
disaacks3 said:
Not a chance. Goodell won't let him play while this is out there. Morality clause will also gets Pats off-the-hook for much of that salary (unsure on the cap).
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From a competitive point of view, as a Texans fan, I only care if it remains as a cap hit against the Pats. I don't really care if they get off the hook on actually paying him.
 
IDEXAN said:
Dang Bill, just about everybody has gangs these days, so not sure if that's really a qualifier as a "rough town". Boise, Id. has some gang activity and yet few really think of that city in the context of the "mean streets" of Boise.
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DUDE!! If Bristol CN, or Ct.... (Forgive me, for I don't know Connectict's abbreviation), but it's a rough town! It makes Sunnyside or other local neighborhoods seem harmless in comparison.

That's full-on "crip" v. "blood" v. "MS13" terroritory, no???
 
You only thought it couldn't get worse.

Sources: Hernandez seen walking into home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots

A law enforcement source told FOX 25 Wednesday night Hernandez appears to be directly tied to the homicide of Odin Lloyd; however, at this point there have been no arrests in the case, but new information gathered Thursday paints a clearer picture as to why Hernandez is the focus of the investigation.

FOX 25's Bob Ward's sources have confirmed that there is video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez's home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots.

Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.
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You have the world at your feet but that isn't enough. Hernandez is a fool for putting himself in these jams.
 
Arrest Warrant Issued For Aaron Hernandez

BOSTON (CBS) – Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez will be charged in connection with the shooting death of a 27-year-old Dorchester man, a law enforcement source told WBZ NewsRadio 1030 on Friday.

According to that source, an arrest warrant has been issued on a charge of obstruction of justice.

It is expected that State Police will be responsible for arresting Hernandez, but it is not yet clear when and where Hernandez was going to be arrested.

The source added that it is possible that charges could eventually be upgraded.
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IDEXAN said:
No matter what's going on here, does anybody really have any doubt that
Hernandez is starting the season opener and playing the whole year in NE ?
Any legal problems will be shoved into the 2013-14 offseason.
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Assuming Hernandez isn't completely cleared between now and late July, what do you think differentiates this from the Michael Vick situation - where even though it was early in the process, Goodell barred him from attending training camp and supported the action using the following statement:
While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.
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Or from the Ben Roethlisberger situation, where even though prosecutors had already indicated no rape charges (or any other charges) would be filed, he was suspended for 6 games (subsequently reduced to 4) for violation of the personal conduct policy?

Given the way Goodell has chosen to "protect the shield" in regard to the conduct of the players, you really don't think they would view this as something requiring the sending of a message?
 
Hernandez is not going to be playing in the NFL this year unless this all magically fades away.

I don't see Goodell allowing that.
 
Aaron Hernandez barred by Patriots

Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, whose sprawling North Attleboro home is part of a homicide probe, was booted from Gillette Stadium yesterday when he showed up for a workout as cops continued to hunt for clues in the death of a Dorchester man, according to a source close to the team.

Hernandez, 23, was allowed in the building, but staff was waiting for him and instructed him to leave, the source told the Herald.

Patriots spokesman Stacey James would only say that he had no idea why Hernandez came to the Foxboro stadium yesterday.

“No coaches are here,” said James, declining to comment further.
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EDIT: Boston Globe: “There are no arrest warrants issued,’’ said the source who has been briefed on the investigation into the slaying of Odin Lloyd. “For anyone.’’

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m
Update: Police have prepared arrest warrant for Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez for obstruction of justice, per ABC News.
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Keystone cops. :rake:

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And the piling on begins...

Patriots have lost their way
Why did the Patriots bring him to the stadium? This couldn’t have been handled on the phone? The “brand’’ is very important to Bob and Jonathan. And now a Patriot star leads the news with footage guaranteed to remind us of O.J. on the run in the Bronco.

To his credit, Bill Belichick has never positioned himself as a sculptor of souls or a pillar of the community. Belichick wants good players who can help him win games. And that’s why he has, through the years, taken a shot on players who might have found trouble elsewhere. The cast includes Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Brandon Meriweather, Brandon Spikes, Haynesworth, Willie Andrews, Alfonzo Dennard, Nick Kaczur, and Aqib Talib. To name a few.

And now Hernandez joins the club.

What made the Krafts drop a bag of money on this young man while Wes Welker was virtually booted out of Foxborough because he doesn’t conform to the franchise’s standards of “value’’? Is this another instance of the Patriots thinking they are smarter than everyone or is the increasingly erratic Bob Kraft (the Ricki Lander video, reintroducing Putin’s ring theft, flashing the Roc sign with Jay-Z?) suddenly making bad judgments?

The Patriots have trouble in their house. They looked trouble in the eye and rewarded it with a huge contract. It could happen to any team. But it is not supposed to happen in Foxborough. The leadership that pushed “Patriot Way” looks like it has lost its way.
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Patriots should part ways with Aaron Hernandez

The narrative involves a semi-professional football player who never returned home after a night out with friends, a millionaire NFL tight end and his checkered past, a damaged rental car, an untimely visit from a cleaning crew, and a video surveillance system and cell phone, both intentionally destroyed before authorities could access them.

The murder of Boston Bandits football player and Dorchester native Odin Lloyd, whose body was found about one mile from the North Attleborough home of Patriots star Aaron Hernandez, has produced a never-ending stream of questions. But, as each additional query mounts, one answer is rapidly taking shape:

After three impressive seasons, it's time for New England to end its relationship with Hernandez.
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TD said:
Yeah, there may be reason or maybe he has a smart friend advising him now. Couldn't be his lawyer advising him to destroy evidence. :cool:

Sorry to everyone else, but destroying evidence is smart. Public opinion doesn't put you in prison...evidence does. And even if he gets in trouble for doing it, I am pretty sure getting convicted of destroying stuff is preferable to getting convicted for murder.
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The guy who ditched Ray Lewis' clothes for him agrees with you completely and so do I.

Ray on the other hand just wants to thank the lord and look to the future.
 
I hate that a dude lost his life in this story. No way to be subjective about that part.

But, I have to admit that anything that distracts the Patriots is good for our team considering the two games last season. Ravens getting gutted and a distracted Patriots team (murder charges and Tebowmania) means the Texans can find a gap to shoot for in January.
 
Hervoyel said:
The guy who ditched Ray Lewis' clothes for him agrees with you completely and so do I.

Ray on the other hand just wants to thank the lord and look to the future.
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Are you aware that the other two guys involved with Ray went to trial and were acquitted? matter of fact it was a unanamous veridct by the jury
 
2012Champs said:
Are you aware that the other two guys involved with Ray went to trial and were acquitted? matter of fact it was a unanamous veridct by the jury
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Yes I am. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Are you aware that the clothes Ray was wearing have never been recovered? I was commenting on the benefits of destroying evidence and how it seemed to have served Ray Lewis well.
 
Double Barrel said:
I hate that a dude lost his life in this story. No way to be subjective about that part.

But, I have to admit that anything that distracts the Patriots is good for our team considering the two games last season. Ravens getting gutted and a distracted Patriots team (murder charges and Tebowmania) means the Texans can find a gap to shoot for in January.
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No doubt that's true. Stepping away from the murder of this person and looking at nothing more than the situation the Patriots offense is in going into July I see a team with no Wes Welker, no Aaron Hernandez, Tim Tebow hanging around bringing his own peculiar brand of strange attention, and Gronk coming off that messed up arm.

It's good news on the field for the Texans.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yes I am. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Are you aware that the clothes Ray was wearing have never been recovered? I was commenting on the benefits of destroying evidence and how it seemed to have served Ray Lewis well.
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The clothes never being recovered actually have zero basis on the case. Who did that help? No one
 
2012Champs said:
The clothes never being recovered actually have zero basis on the case. Who did that help? No one
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That's just ridiculous. Why did they discard them if they didn't have blood all over them as described by multiple witnesses. Their not being present or subject to investigation most assuredly contributed to the state not pursuing charges against Ray-Ray.

"Your honor, here we have the suit Ray Lewis was wearing when he was involved in the vicious attack. The stains you see are human blood and the crime lab has determined that this belonged to the victim".

Yeah, that never happening didn't help anyone.
 
Hervoyel said:
That's just ridiculous. Why did they discard them if they didn't have blood all over them as described by multiple witnesses. Their not being present or subject to investigation most assuredly contributed to the state not pursuing charges against Ray-Ray.

"Your honor, here we have the suit Ray Lewis was wearing when he was involved in the vicious attack. The stains you see are human blood and the crime lab has determined that this belonged to the victim".

Yeah, that never happening didn't help anyone.
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If the cloths were recovered and the guys who actually did the killing were acquitted what would that have done to Ray? What charges would have come forth or convictions? The guys who did the killing were let go, let that sink in
 
2012Champs said:
If the cloths were recovered and the guys who actually did the killing were acquitted what would that have done to Ray? What charges would have come forth or convictions? The guys who did the killing were let go, let that sink in
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The case against the killers was incomplete due to a lack of evidence (like stuff being thrown away and never recovered.... Hello? Anyone home?)

One of them, "Ray Lewis" pled to a lesser charge and wasn't even tried for the killing. You are certain that because the other guys walked that missing evidence would not have made any difference and that's just speculation. I think you have this all turned around backwards. Clothes with incriminating blood on them were discarded. Fingerprints were wiped off of a knife at the scene.

If evidence wasn't destroyed those men probably go to prison (admittedly speculation on my part) and Ray-Ray probably joins them (ditto speculation). Nobody can know what a jury will do regardless of what they're given. That's true. At the same time you can't look at what they did without certain evidence and assume they would do the same thing if they had it.
 
hernandez was/is a weedhead superthug...should've known that trouble would eventually find this dude after all the reported drug tests he failed at florida that meyer covered.
 
Mr teX said:
hernandez was/is a weedhead superthug...should've known that trouble wouldeventually find this dude after all the reported drug tests he failed at florida that meyer covered.
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Maybe now he'll turn his life around and find "God". You know, plead down to a lesser charge and drop his buddies in the grease. Then he could do his time, take his suspension, and play another decade. When he finishes he can throw out something like ""God has never made a mistake. That’s just who He is, you see.... To the family, if you knew, if you really knew the way God works, He don’t use people who commits anything like that for His glory.” to the guys family and smile all the way to the bank.

But my point has been since I responded to TD that yes, destroying evidence has worked out well in the past for more than one high profile suspect in cases like this.
 
Hervoyel said:
The case against the killers was incomplete due to a lack of evidence (like stuff being thrown away and never recovered.... Hello? Anyone home?)

One of them, "Ray Lewis" pled to a lesser charge and wasn't even tried for the killing. You are certain that because the other guys walked that missing evidence would not have made any difference and that's just speculation. I think you have this all turned around backwards. Clothes with incriminating blood on them were discarded. Fingerprints were wiped off of a knife at the scene.

If evidence wasn't destroyed those men probably go to prison (admittedly speculation on my part) and Ray-Ray probably joins them (ditto speculation). Nobody can know what a jury will do regardless of what they're given. That's true. At the same time you can't look at what they did without certain evidence and assume they would do the same thing if they had it.
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What would Ray's cloths have done for the other two who were acquitted?
 
Hervoyel said:
ob·tuse
/əbˈt(y)o͞os/


Adjective
  • Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
  • Difficult to understand.
Spent all the time I'm going to trying to explain this to you. work it out for yourself.
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LOL, sounds like me when 2012Champs insists on continuing to debate something that either has nothing to do with the point of the conversation, or cannot understand (or admit to understanding) something very simple about a situation.

Mr teX said:
hernandez was/is a weedhead superthug...should've known that trouble would eventually find this dude after all the reported drug tests he failed at florida that meyer covered.
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It's odd to me when you get these weedheads who also turn into violent people. When I smoked weed, I never wanted to fight anyone or get in any kind of argument. Maybe they used the weed to calm themselves down? It just seems so odd to me.
 
Hervoyel said:
No doubt that's true. Stepping away from the murder of this person and looking at nothing more than the situation the Patriots offense is in going into July I see a team with no Wes Welker, no Aaron Hernandez, Tim Tebow hanging around bringing his own peculiar brand of strange attention, and Gronk coming off that messed up arm.

It's good news on the field for the Texans.
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And the ultimate outcome of that minimally invasive back surgery (Gronk) is not a given to overlook.
 
Double Barrel said:
I hate that a dude lost his life in this story. No way to be subjective about that part.

But, I have to admit that anything that distracts the Patriots is good for our team considering the two games last season. Ravens getting gutted and a distracted Patriots team (murder charges and Tebowmania) means the Texans can find a gap to shoot for in January.
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mmmm can peyton manning be as squeaky clean as we are led to believe?:um:
 
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