Pac-10 might ask Texas and five other Big 12 schools to join

[Goldensilence]

Hahaha this is awesome from UTs lapdog Chip Brown...

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038



So basically what happened is A&M saw through all the BS and smoke being played by UT and now UT is mounting political pressure on A&M to coerce us into acting in accordance to what will benefit UT more than ourselves. I'll admit that I thought we had outplayed them in this whole situation but this move was very well done.

Basically, it's win-win for UT at this point. It's either A&M cowers and stays with the Big 12 while UT forms it's own network. Or A&M nuts up and goes to the SEC, somehow getting blamed for breaking up the Big 12 (which is complete BS) and forges a path on it's own. Then, if A&M does or even doesn't leave, it leaves open the Pac Teen to come for the others or all of us; which they probably had planned along.

I'll give it to Dodds, I thought he had played all his cards but he had an ace in the hole. As for A&M, I hope our Board of Regents and President have enough testicular fortitude to not stand for this BS and move on. Too long has UT and Dodds run things, and they've run two conferences into the ground. How long till they ruin the new Big 12 or Pac Teen?

I don't want to wait to find out.

Edit: If you didn't think Texas was pulling some strings for an all out power ploy, how can you not now? Texas is a great institution but they really are poison to a conference. They bring in truckloads of money, but they end up destroying the organization. They're like a sugar high, great at first but it doesn't last and eventually will rot your teeth.

Only through maroon colored glasses do you think this is all UT's fault and political pressure will only be mounted by UT. I also find it weird that everything wrong with the Big 12 get saddled on them by you. I think a lot of fault goes with Beebe and the schools not doing realignment sooner when they realized it was getting lopsided and not voting on a plus one game to be instituted.

A lot also has to do with the Big X making a play with it's network and wanting to expand it. Not really the conference, but the revenue the network brings in.

I think Baylor is in a pretty desperate spot right now and most of the political pressure will come from them and some could come from outside Texas as well with other schools desperately wanting to keep what's left of the Big 12 together.

 

[Stemp]

Texas isn't behind the Legislature and it doesn't really matter because they are not in session and Perry isn't going to call an emergency session just to deal with conference realignment. However, the media perception of this whole situation has been very much manipulated by the Texas brass. Almost all of the reports coming out of media are from Texas sources, namely Chip Brown (who likely has Dodds on speed dial and a special ring). The funny thing is, A&M has been very consistant in its stance to examine all options. Texas has been flipping between pushing the PAC 10 and keeping the Big 12 together. Funny also that the votes by regents of UT and Tech are scheduled for Tuesday and the committee meeting in the TExas House is Wednesday and there has been no word of the votes being pushed back.

 

[Dan B.]

Hahaha this is awesome from UTs lapdog Chip Brown...

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038



So basically what happened is A&M saw through all the BS and smoke being played by UT and now UT is mounting political pressure on A&M to coerce us into acting in accordance to what will benefit UT more than ourselves. I'll admit that I thought we had outplayed them in this whole situation but this move was very well done.

Basically, it's win-win for UT at this point. It's either A&M cowers and stays with the Big 12 while UT forms it's own network. Or A&M nuts up and goes to the SEC, somehow getting blamed for breaking up the Big 12 (which is complete BS) and forges a path on it's own. Then, if A&M does or even doesn't leave, it leaves open the Pac Teen to come for the others or all of us; which they probably had planned along.

I'll give it to Dodds, I thought he had played all his cards but he had an ace in the hole. As for A&M, I hope our Board of Regents and President have enough testicular fortitude to not stand for this BS and move on. Too long has UT and Dodds run things, and they've run two conferences into the ground. How long till they ruin the new Big 12 or Pac Teen?

I don't want to wait to find out.

Edit: If you didn't think Texas was pulling some strings for an all out power ploy, how can you not now? Texas is a great institution but they really are poison to a conference. They bring in truckloads of money, but they end up destroying the organization. They're like a sugar high, great at first but it doesn't last and eventually will rot your teeth.

UT didn't break up the SWC. Arkansas bolted for the SEC, where they have managed to ruin their once stellar basketball team and gone from a good football team to a doormat. UT was talking about going to the PAC10 (with A&M) in the early '90's, but the state leg (mainly Ann Richards) basically forced them to take Tech and Baylor along, which nixed the Pac.

Texas does not control the state Leg. Perry (A&M) and Hance (Tech) have more control than any UT Legislator does.

If Texas just did what was best for Texas -- the way A&M wants to do -- they would have bolted for the West or Big 10 long ago. However they have consistently considered the needs of other state universities in their decisions, not just UT's. In the past this was due to outside pressure, but in these negotiations UT has consistently maintained that they will keep their conference rivals in their conference. They are not abandoning everyone else to serve their own interests. That's on A&M.

I think UT is taking the right course in this, because your traditional conference rivals are why traditions mean something. One would think that they want to preserve these traditional rivalries, in particular at A&M. It's what I just cannot understand about Nebraska's decision. They tossed away rivals that they have been playing for over a century and chose to go at it alone. The way Arkansas did.

 

[mr. peebs]

Texas puts up a good front with all of it's friendly media in the state, but you seriously think they care about Tech? The only reason, and I mean ONLY reason, Tech got invited to Pac Teen was so Texas had enough allies to more easily block or pass conference votes. If Tech is there, UT has them and in essence OSU and OU as lapdogs and only has to convince a couple other schools to vote against, in most cases, the California bloc.

I think UT is taking the right course in this, because your traditional conference rivals are why traditions mean something. One would think that they want to preserve these traditional rivalries, in particular at A&M. It's what I just cannot understand about Nebraska's decision. They tossed away rivals that they have been playing for over a century and chose to go at it alone. The way Arkansas did.

Nebraska left it's decades old rivals to get away from Texas. Yes, the Big 10 offered a better financial deal, but they wouldn't have been so open to moving if it wasn't for wanting to be rid of UT.

 

[Dan B.]

Texas puts up a good front with all of it's friendly media in the state, but you seriously think they care about Tech? The only reason, and I mean ONLY reason, Tech got invited to Pac Teen was so Texas had enough allies to more easily block or pass conference votes. If Tech is there, UT has them and in essence OSU and OU as lapdogs and only has to convince a couple other schools to vote against, in most cases, the California bloc.

Tech is the reason UT didn't bail for the Big 10. You honestly think the Big 10 would rather have Nebraska than UT?

I don't see decades long rivals as lapdogs. I see them as allies. Kind of like each military branch can dog the other, but they band together against outsiders. Or like you can make fun of your brother, but you stand by him in the schoolyard. A&M is leaving their brothers behind.

Nebraska left it's decades old rivals to get away from Texas. Yes, the Big 10 offered a better financial deal, but they wouldn't have been so open to moving if it wasn't for wanting to be rid of UT.

Which is just sad. Nebraska benefits from unequal revenue. NU voted for unequal revenue distribution. They sure as hell can't whine about it now. They were upset about being outvoted 11-1 a few times in the old Big 12 (like with partial qualifiers or JerryWorld for the CG), which is even more likely in the new Big 12. Because they are going at it solo without anyone to back them up. Or do you think the Big 10 is going to vote with Nebraska on a hypothetical CG in Kansas City?

Texas didn't kill Nebraska. UT isn't even in their division. They play them twice every four years, not counting Big 12 Championships (which NU would be in if they could beat teams other than UT). Nebraska killed Nebraska by hiring bad coaches and nostalgically reminiscing about the old days while other teams passed them by. UT had the same issue for a long time in the 80's - '90's. A&M has that problem now, and I'm not sold on Sherman as the answer in the SEC. If Spurrier can't do it, I don't think Mike can.

Texas and the rest of the Big 12 South are openly, obviously, encouraging A&M to stay by their side, whatever may happen. A&M is pretty openly looking to leave. They are welcome to do so -- they can look out for what's best for them -- but don't whine and blame others about your decision. Don't pretend that looking out for what's good for you doesn't also mean that you are deciding to NOT look out for anyone else's interests but your own. That isn't UT's fault. It's A&M's.

 

[Kulluminatii]

Sources: Departure to Pac-10 coming

The departure of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac-10 is imminent, four sources within the Big 12 said Monday.

One source said commissioner Dan Beebe's last-minute plan to save the conference has "zero" chance to succeed. Another source said it is "very unlikely" to succeed.

Texas' interests in being aligned with the research opportunities and academic missions of Pac-10 schools is driving the decision, along with money.

Beebe's last-ditch plan included an emotional plea about preserving rivalries and maintaining the best welfare of the student-athlete, one source said.

Texas A&M is now most likely to join the SEC, a source within the Big 12 said. This move, in the wake of Colorado and Nebraska's departure, would further diminish the chance of Beebe's plan succeeding, one source said.

Texas' decision is expected to come no later than Tuesday. One source familiar with Texas' plans suggested a hearing on Wednesday at the Texas House of Representatives is "a nonfactor."

A report on Orangebloods.com said that Texas is committed to discussions with the remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 about a plan put together by Beebe that would keep the league intact with its current programs.

The plan includes assurances that a TV deal could net each schools between $14 million and $17 million, Orangebloods.com reported, and schools such as Texas could still have their own TV network.

Ugh, I can't wait until Tuesday .

 

[b0ng]

For big laughs everybody shoult google "Rexas to stay in BigXII" and "Texas to go to PAC-10". It's pretty hilarious.

 

[HoustonFrog]

TCU Rules

 

[Kulluminatii]

Time to play the waiting game. ESPN is saying the decision by UT OU & the others will come either later today or tomorrow and A&M will be headed to the SEC.

*EDIT*

http://twitter.com/schadjoe (ESPN reporter who earlier reported move to PAC-10 is "imminent")
@chipbrownob is correct. Beebe's proposal, one source said, is "gaining traction."


http://twitter.com/chipbrownob
I'm not backing off this story about Texas willing to commit to a remodeled Big 12.

Texas stands to make between $20 mil and $25 mil per yr under a proposed new TV pkg presented by Dan Beebe, plus UT's own network.

All 10 schools remaining in the Big 12 are are at the table working on a deal that would save the league, sources tell Orangebloods.com.

An announcement that a remodeled Big 12 will survive with a new television deal could be announced as early as Monday, sources say.

If Big 12 ties things up and saves the league, look for Pac-10 commish Larry Scott to start courting Utah as the 12th addition to P10.

This train to save the Big 12 is rolling folks

A&M is at the table and Gene Stallings told AP he'd be "tickled" if B12 saved. ..

Once Neb and CU made their moves, a TV network saw realignment about to blow and stepped forward with the plan stop chaos and save B12.

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Looks like we (as in the PAC-10) got played .

 

[Stemp]

The new deal gives Texas $8-$10 million more per year than other schools plus their own network. A&M will likely agree to the deal only with equal revenue sharing and a split "Lone Star Network". The question is will Texas blink and refuse to give up their bigger share for "the good of the conference". My money is on NO.

 

[Spled]

It's starting to look like Beebe may have pulled it off - http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/96310899.html

Drayton McLane says it best -

"The rivalries between Texas, Texas A&M and Baylor have lasted more than 100 years," McLane said. "Those are treasured assets in this state. And to see them broken up and discarded would be a travesty.

"Sometimes we make decisions faster than we should. I would like to encourage the universities to see the issues as they are, the tradition. To wipe out over 100 years of tradition and go start playing on the west or east coast, that just doesn't fit what this state is all about."

 

[Dan B.]

The new deal gives Texas $8-$10 million more per year than other schools plus their own network. A&M will likely agree to the deal only with equal revenue sharing and a split "Lone Star Network". The question is will Texas blink and refuse to give up their bigger share for "the good of the conference". My money is on NO.

A&M agreed to the unequal distribution model the Big12 had in place. Nebraska voted for it too since they got more than most, and were paid 1.1 mil less than UT despite earning FAR less for the conference. They liked the current Big 12 model, because even if they don't get as much as Texas they still get more than ISU or KSU. That's why the model is in place -- AD's have to vote against it in order for it to be rescinded. Texas only gets one vote.

Maybe A&M is in favor of socialism all of a sudden -- I dunno. But they certainly weren't when they had a chance to vote on the matter.

 

[rmartin65]

If the Big 12 is saved, I dont think the PAC 10 will get Utah. With the addition of Boise State, the MWC is looking good, with 4 teams (BYU, TCU, Utah and Boise State) competing for BCS bids. Actually, I dont think they will be able to poach any team from the MWC, exactly for that reason. The PAC 10's best bet is to try and steal from the WAC. Fresno State is my best guess.

The Big 12 will have 2 choices- stay with 10 teams, or find 2 more.

 

[HoustonFrog]

It's starting to look like Beebe may have pulled it off - http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/96310899.html

Drayton McLane says it best -

"The rivalries between Texas, Texas A&M and Baylor have lasted more than 100 years," McLane said. "Those are treasured assets in this state. And to see them broken up and discarded would be a travesty.

"Sometimes we make decisions faster than we should. I would like to encourage the universities to see the issues as they are, the tradition. To wipe out over 100 years of tradition and go start playing on the west or east coast, that just doesn't fit what this state is all about."

Drayton, no one cares about Baylor. Stay out of it and concentrate on baseball.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Drayton, no one cares about Baylor. Stay out of it and concentrate on baseball.

Umm....NO! The Stros are doing bad enough, thanks.

Anywho, I might be asking a dumb question, but if the remaining 10 teams decide to stay in the Big 12 would they try to recruit 2 teams? Maybe a UH or a TCU type team?

 

[Dutchrudder]

Drayton, no one cares about Baylor. Stay out of it and concentrate on baseball.

Seriously. Baylor and Iowa State are a drag on the Big 12 and always have been. I know every conference has their dogs, but neither of these two contribute much at all to the conference. Iowa State in particular due to the travel needed to go beat them.

I'd rather see U of H, UTEP, Colorado State, TCU, BYU, Utah, Arkansas or Memphis join and drop those two in the process. (Memphis for the cash )

 

[Dutchrudder]

FYI: I doubt this is a serious factor in A&M's push for the SEC, but the Aggies are scheduled to play Arkansas at the Jerrydome for the next 9 years. It is now known as the "Southwest Classic". Apparently Jerry Jones is a Razorback Alumnus.

March 10, 2008

Texas A&M University, the University of Arkansas and the Dallas Cowboys organization have announced the formation of a football neutral site series to be played in the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

The 10-year agreement calls for the series to begin in Oct. 3, 2009 with Arkansas serving as the home team in odd years and Texas A&M as the home team in even years. The stadium is expected to seat approximately 80,000 for this game with the distribution split evenly between the two institutions. With the configuration of the end zones the capacity could increase to 100,000.
...
Arkansas leads the all-time series, 38-24-3. The last 10 clashes were split evenly with each school winning five times. The last meeting was Nov. 16, 1991 at Kyle Field with Texas A&M winning, 13-3, in a game nationally televised by ESPN. The Razorbacks came out in the wishbone formation on offense that day, but the Wrecking Crew held the Hogs to 121 yards of total offense.

 

[IDEXAN]

Seriously. Baylor and Iowa State are a drag on the Big 12 and always have been.

The real drag on the "Big 12" is the whole North division, now that Nebraska is gone. Anybody who saw that championship game in Arlington knows that the Cornhukers beat UT, and that was the reclamation of their football program to its former strength. But now with Nebraskas departure to the Big 10, that whole divison is a joke when it comes to football.

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

I would love if the Big 12 went to 10 and dropped their conference championship that Big 12 fans have bitched and moaned and complained at the Big 10 for not having since the BCS formed.

Conference championships were created for $$$$$$$$. And if you think it puts your conference at a national disadvantage then drop the game and lose the $ - but quit complaining about conference that don't have them.

(and yes, I hate the fact that I think the Big 10 will now have one because Big 10 is super anti-playoff and IMHO conference championships are in the direction of AWAY from a college football playoff system).

 

[HoustonFrog]

Umm....NO! The Stros are doing bad enough, thanks.

Anywho, I might be asking a dumb question, but if the remaining 10 teams decide to stay in the Big 12 would they try to recruit 2 teams? Maybe a UH or a TCU type team?

I was hoping when all this started going down but it looks like they like 10 now. I was hoping for the Big 12 to be destroyed and all teams to scatter. TCU would be a prt of one of the big conferences and have BCS chances instead of having to run the table from the outside like last year. I kind of like a shakeup here and there. I still think the other conferences will add schools.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

The real drag on the "Big 12" is the whole North division, now that Nebraska is gone. Anybody who saw that championship game in Arlington knows that the Cornhukers beat UT, and that was the reclamation of their football program to its former strength. But now with Nebraskas departure to the Big 10, that whole divison is a joke when it comes to football.

Umm, no. Nebraska did not beat Texas in that game. Texas won the game and won it legitimately.

Nebraska may have played better in some phases but they did not beat Texas. Texas won and were deserved of the victory albeit much closer than most had predicted.

 

[b0ng]

1) Since the Big XII is deciding to stay pat at 10 teams there will be no CCG, and there is not going to be a North/South split to the divisions. Everybody plays each other and you still get 3 OOC games.

2) No way TCU or Houston would ever get into the BigXII as long as UT and Baylor are there. No way, no how, they will always get the perpetual middle finger. You can look to the 2001 UT/UH game played at Robertson (known as bleachergate), and since TCU postured a little bit during this whole realignment talk against Baylor, expect bad feelings forever from those guys. I really am hoping that Utah leaves MWC (sorry Horned Frog) and that they replace them with UH, but even then, there's probably a different team they have their eye on. I expect that UH will have to somehow blow away CUSA for a decade straight before they get asked to go somewhere else.

 

[HoustonFrog]

1) Since the Big XII is deciding to stay pat at 10 teams there will be no CCG, and there is not going to be a North/South split to the divisions. Everybody plays each other and you still get 3 OOC games.

2) No way TCU or Houston would ever get into the BigXII as long as UT and Baylor are there. No way, no how, they will always get the perpetual middle finger. You can look to the 2001 UT/UH game played at Robertson (known as bleachergate), and since TCU postured a little bit during this whole realignment talk against Baylor, expect bad feelings forever from those guys. I really am hoping that Utah leaves MWC (sorry Horned Frog) and that they replace them with UH, but even then, there's probably a different team they have their eye on. I expect that UH will have to somehow blow away CUSA for a decade straight before they get asked to go somewhere else.

TCU has done no posturing. In fact they pretty much stayed out of the fray and said they were going to sit in the MWC and see where the chips fell. There was also talk of Baylor joining them in the MWC if they were left out of the Pac-10. They pretty much have been in a wait and see pattern.

 

[b0ng]

TCU has done no posturing. In fact they pretty much stayed out of the fray and said they were going to sit in the MWC and see where the chips fell. There was also talk of Baylor joining them in the MWC if they were left out of the Pac-10. They pretty much have been in a wait and see pattern.

True or not Baylor fans and almuni have been talking about it. These are people who hold grudges forever.

also LOL

TL;DR Big12 might add BYU and Air Force.

 

[Kulluminatii]

A lot of Longhorns fans on ShaggyBevo seem pretty ticked about how this has progressed. The Big 12-2 is a joke of a conference now, and unless they somehow grab Arkansas and another decent team it's lost a lot of credibility. Oh well, at least UT + OU will be getting paid .

Fans over at TexAgs aren't too happy though .

 

[Kulluminatii]

Texas turns down Pac-10; Big 12 schools have framework of deal

By CHUCK CARLTON / The Dallas Morning News

The remaining Big 12 members are close to a remarkable comeback that will ensure the conference's viability of 10 members a source familiar with the negotiations told The Dallas Morning News.

Several small details need to be ironed out, but the framework of an agreement appeared to be in place Monday afternoon.

Pac-10 Commissioner Larry Scott confirmed that the University of Texas has declined an invitation to join the conference. The decision will preserve the Big 12 as a 10-team conference, assuming Texas A&M elects to remain. Texas A&M officials were deliberating Monday afternoon.

In a brief phone conversation, Scott said: "We've been informed by University of Texas president Bill Powers that Texas will stay with the Big 12. We have not received definitive details about this decision. It is our understanding that Texas was going to meet the terms that we have proposed."

As he left the Main Building, Powers declined comment.

Big 12 member schools and TV partners met Monday to work on a lucrative television deal that would convince the University of Texas and three other schools -- Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech -- to abandon pursuit of Pac-10 membership.

The TV dollars were also enough to convince Texas A&M to stay with the conference. The Aggies had been pursuing a bid to the Southeastern Conference.

Under Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe's plan, Texas would see a sharp increase in revenue under a new cable TV right deal with Fox Sports. Because of the Big 12's revenue sharing formula, Texas would probably make more than the $17 million average, perhaps close to $20 million. The Longhorns would also be allowed to form their own network, something that would not be allowed in the Pac-10.

A source said the network could eventually produce up to $5 million in revenue based on projections, which would likely bring Texas more money than a move to the Pac-10.

Another reason the conference remained intact was team travel, especially without the possibility of Texas A&M, despite the Pac-10's hope to focus on divisional travel and avoid numerous distant road trips to the Northwest.

The fate of the conference born in 1996 when the Big 8 merged with four members of the Southwest Conference has been at risk for days, and Texas emerged as the key to the Big 12's survival when Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-10) decided to leave over the next two years. The Pac-10 has courted Texas and other Big 12 South Division schools, while Texas A&M reportedly expressed interest in going to the Southeastern Conference barring a better offer.

Big 12 officials have told member schools that the loss of the Denver television market and Nebraska would not weaken the league's negotiating position with TV networks as much as feared, the person said.

Texas, the biggest and most lucrative of the Big 12 members, has been the pied piper in the league discussions, with other schools seemingly ready to line up behind the Longhorns once the school decides where it wants its cash cow football program to compete.

Regents at Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have scheduled meetings Tuesday and Wednesday to discuss conference allegiances. Texas A&M regents are expected to meet later this week.

Well, it was a fun weekend at least with all this CFB drama.

 

[awtysst]

So does the Big XII try to pull in 2 more teams? If so I think Arkansas and Utah/BYU would be great choices to make the Big XII stronger than it currently is.

I would not even mind Arkansas and Ole Miss.

 

[b0ng]

So does the Big XII try to pull in 2 more teams? If so I think Arkansas and Utah/BYU would be great choices to make the Big XII stronger than it currently is.

I would not even mind Arkansas and Ole Miss.

Doubtful, I don't see UT being cool with adding 2 more teams unless they bring in the cashola.

 

[Wolf]

If the Big 12 is able to work out a deal with its 10 remaining teams, it's likely Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott would look to add Utah as the 12th member of his league and launch a conference network in 2012, sources said.

Sources say if the Pac-10 is ultimately denied by the Big 12 South schools, Scott would likely extend an invitation to Utah and wrap up the Pac-10's expansion at 12.

The Big 12 would proceed with 10 teams. Everyone would play everyone in football, providing a nine-game conference schedule.

--The conference championship game would be dumped in the short-term (because the NCAA mandates 12 schools for a football title game).

BIG 12-LITE HAS A PULSE

So hold on folks. This is about to get interesting. The key in all of this now is Texas A&M will come back to the table and rethink its position on leaving for the Pac-10 and is considering the Beebe proposal.

Texas A&M has been in deep discussions with the SEC and as of Saturday night had enough votes on its Board of Regents to join the SEC (believed to be 6-3).

But the dissenting votes on A&M's regents board are apparently passionate about keeping Texas and A&M together and not breaking up a 100-year rivalry by having the schools head to different leagues.

Sources say SEC commissioner Mike Slive was in College Station Saturday. Sources close to the situation say A&M has an invitation to the SEC if it wants it. The SEC has also been doggedly pursuing Oklahoma.

But with news that Texas and Texas A&M are now willing to stay put, the Big 12 just might survive after all.

Stay tuned.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038

 

[Kulluminatii]

Found that image on the OU forums .

Does anyone know if that meeting on Tuesday is still happening between the Texas schools? If so, there may still be hope...

 

[Blake]

So does the Big XII try to pull in 2 more teams? If so I think Arkansas and Utah/BYU would be great choices to make the Big XII stronger than it currently is.

I would not even mind Arkansas and Ole Miss.

That is a good question. Would any SEC teams want into a conference that almost folded up shop? Doubt it. I really wish Nebraska and Colorado stayed.

Personally I think LSU and Arkansas would make alot of sense. But if no SEC, then I would probably look at TCU and New Mexico.

 

[rmartin65]

That is a good question. Would any SEC teams want into a conference that almost folded up shop? Doubt it. I really wish Nebraska and Colorado stayed.

Personally I think LSU and Arkansas would make alot of sense. But if no SEC, then I would probably look at TCU and New Mexico.

Man, you and New Mexico...

I still say, and will continue to say, that no MWC team moves. They are on the verge of having an automatic bid, and just got stronger with Boise State.

 

[MojoMan]

Keeping the Big 12 together will be good. I am glad that is the way this is going to work out. If the Big 12 can add two more teams, and the Pac 10 can add one more team, then all of the major conferences will have 12 teams, each with a conference championship game in football. The symmetry of all this appeals to me. Its all good.

 

[HoustonFrog]

True or not Baylor fans and almuni have been talking about it. These are people who hold grudges forever.

also LOL

TL;DR Big12 might add BYU and Air Force.

I knew that came out but I heard that rumor was shot down in a report right after it.

I heard the BYU and Air Force thing too. Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't like this Big 10 idea. Seems much weaker in the long run. Eventually I believe the SEC and Pac 10 will continue to gobble up teams and the Big 12(10) will look horribly insuffiecient.

 

[JB]

I knew that came out but I heard that rumor was shot down in a report right after it.

I heard the BYU and Air Force thing too. Doesn't make sense to me.

Me neither. I would prefer to see TCU and UH/Arkansas

 

[HoustonFrog]

Me neither. I would prefer to see TCU and UH/Arkansas

Me too. I'd love to have TCU and U of H and have a division of old SWC rivals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672

Oklahoma and Texas A&M also say they will stay in the Big 12, which on Friday seemed in danger of falling apart after Nebraska and Colorado both decided to leave over the next two years.

"The decision to stay in the Big 12 represents a consensus position which resulted from a collaborative effort with our colleagues in the conference," Oklahoma president David L. Boren and vice president and director of athletics Joe Castiglione said in a joint statement. "We value the strong working relationship that has been reaffirmed during this process among the conference members. We intend to work very hard to make the conference as lasting and dynamic as possible. We appreciate the respect and interest that has been shown to OU during this process."

 

[mr. peebs]

Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

 

[MojoMan]

Me too. I'd love to have TCU and U of H and have a division of old SWC rivals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672

I could certainly see TCU, and I hope they are added to the Big 12. But UH, not so much. The Cougars are just not up to standard in quite a few different areas.

 

[ATXtexanfan]

so is it espn making a play to save the big 12 so fox doesn't get its hands on the pac 16? this sucks, UT v OU and nothing else.

 

[Kulluminatii]

Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

Soo...guess its time to switch your avatar back eh?

Seriously though, I agree with you and doubt this Texas Ten/ Big 12-2/ Big 12 Lite/ etc will last long. I'm still hoping A&M mans up and heads to the SEC, which will basically kill all hopes of saving the Big 12 and Beebe keeping his job.

so is it espn making a play to save the big 12 so fox doesn't get its hands on the pac 16? this sucks, UT v OU and nothing else.

Thats what I've been hearing, and while its just a rumor, it does make a lot of sense and would explain why the whole Pac-16 idea fell apart in only 3 days.

 

[JB]

I could certainly see TCU, and I hope they are added to the Big 12. But UH, not so much. The Cougars are just not up to standard in quite a few different areas.

You have to remember that they are not just looking at sporting revenue. But also tv markets, research allowances & grants and academics.

I think UH stacks up well in those areas.

 

[Spled]

A conference with UT, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas State is still pretty powerful. I'm glad to see the Texas and Oklahoma rivalries still intact.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

Ditto. I can't believe they are doing this. I thought for sure they would go SEC or at least Pac-10. The Big 12 better make some moves soon, or it won't have much of a future. I just hope the SEC doesn't fill those spots before the Big 12 cracks.

I could certainly see TCU, and I hope they are added to the Big 12. But UH, not so much. The Cougars are just not up to standard in quite a few different areas.

I would like U of H purely for selfish reasons, because it would mean I could see the Aggies in Houston every other year, instead of driving to College Station for a game.

I don't think the Big 12 actually needs U of H for the Houston market, since most games are already televised here. Now if the SEC was getting A&M/U of H, then they would be expanding their TV market.

 

[mr. peebs]

well, this was funny about 8 hours ago.. not so much anymore...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=snibbe/hruby/100614_conference_logos

 

[Stemp]

Apparently, the TV deal is with Fox Sports Net. So, no national exposure, just regional.
This smells rotten to the core.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Looks like Fox was under the gun and gave the Big12 a fat raise
Fox had to overpay or they would have been locked out of college fb

as for possible expansion that won't happen due to splitting that TV pie
I do think if this is a long term move, and I don't think it is, they should look at TCU and Rice.

How bad does Mizzou look in all this. The big10 treated them like the ugly chick with the hot friend. Use em to get close to the hot chick then never call them again. Were a Mizzou family up in St. Louis but they really got caught with their pants down but I guess every school got more money and security so even they look good in the end. A&M is staying right? Hope so as that game has a lot of history especially when you look at respective fightsongs and hallowed traditions like the bonfire. RIP

well are we still called big12? The Mid Ten? The Bigger 10?
The Temporary 10?

 

[Goldensilence]

Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

Ummmm so as a reminder :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=245&year=2009

September 5 New Mexico W 41-6 1-0 (0-0)

September 19 Utah State W 38-30 2-0 (0-0)

September 26 UAB W 56-19 3-0 (0-0)

October 3 vs. Arkansas* L 47-19 3-1 (0-0)

October 10 No. 15 Oklahoma State L 36-31 3-2 (0-1)

October 17 at Kansas State L 62-14 3-3 (0-2)

October 24 at Texas Tech W 52-30 4-3 (1-2)

October 31 Iowa State W 35-10 5-3 (2-2)

November 7 at Colorado L 35-34 5-4 (2-3)

November 14 at Oklahoma L 65-10 5-5 (2-4)

November 21 Baylor W 38-3 6-5 (3-4)

November 26 No. 3 Texas L 49-39 6-6 (3-5)

December 28 vs. Georgia* L 44-20 6-7 (3-5)

The two middle of the road SEC teams A&M played last year beat them pretty soundly. Aggies seriously want to walk into the frey of the SEC?

So pretty much you'd exchange the shadow of UT and OU with LSU and Alabama. You get a wildcard like OKST in Ole Miss. Pretty near style of play from Arkansas that TT ran under Leach Auburn is going to be tough in a down year and to ease up you get Miss State. That doesn't include who you could possibly play on the other side with Georgia, Florida, Tenn and Spurrier in SC.

Tell me what's the big change from the SEC East from the former Big 12 South?

Also for someone who talks about the Big 12 North A&M was only 1-2 vs them last year. Funny you mention K-State as well...they rocked your boys pretty bad last year.

Here's my suggestion. Drop the Big 12 moniker and re-name/go back to the SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE. Then in a couple of years after the conference regroups you can add UH(who is bolstering their faculties) and look to add another old member like TCU or Arkansas.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Apparently, the TV deal is with Fox Sports Net. So, no national exposure, just regional.
This smells rotten to the core.

Yeah but the big ones will be on Fox nationally. I think Fox no longer has as much Nascar so they would be more open schedule wise.

One thing schools like Texas need to know is that they need to play a tougher out of conference schedule now that there is no more championship game

Texas can't sit back and just beat OU, OSU, and A&M and act like that is enough to guarantee BCS title game. It might not be anymore

edit: love the idea of going back to the monicker of Southwest Conference

They should try and schedule Notre Dame or TCU to compensate for lost conference prestige and standing.

 

[Kulluminatii]

Source: Influential group saved Big 12

In an unprecedented move, a number of influential people inside and outside of college athletics mobilized over the past week to save the Big 12 Conference, stave off the Pac-10's move to expand to 16 schools and prevent a massive reorganization of college athletics.

An NCAA source with direct knowledge of what occurred told ESPN.com that the aggressiveness of the Pac-10 caused various factions of the collegiate sports world to coalesce. They then worked to slow and try to stop the pace of moves that would have left a number of schools searching for a new conference home.

The source said the people involved were business executives, conference commissioners, athletic directors, network executives with ties throughout college athletics, administrators at many levels throughout the NCAA membership and a "fair number of them without a dog in the hunt."

According to the source, this collection of interested and influential people made phone calls, visited in person and held conference calls with the Big 12 schools that were being pursued, including Texas, as well as Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe. The influential group also helped broker the new television deal between Texas (and the other schools considering leaving the conference) and Beebe, who represented the remaining Big 12 schools.

According to the source, there was a growing sense that the Pac-10 was taking an approach inconsistent with the best interests and values of the schools impacted, both positively and negatively.

Late Monday, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said that Texas had rebuffed the league's invitation to join the conference. Soon after, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State announced they would remain in the Big 12. That meant the Big 12 wouldn't dissolve despite the fact Nebraska left for the Big Ten and Colorado left for the Pac-10. Several details remain, but Texas president William Powers Jr. told Scott "the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 Conference intend to stay together."

Scott reportedly was promising a Pac-10 network that had to include Texas to be a formidable option for cable providers in the Southwest and West Coast. The Pac-10 will negotiate a new television contract in 2012 and now must approach the talks as an 11-team league (as currently situated) or a 12-team league (if the Pac-10 opts for another member like Utah out of the Mountain West).

The Pac-10 was looking to invite Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech to join Colorado for a 16-team league. A&M was trying to get interest from the SEC. There was some early interest from the school, but no formal offer from the SEC.

The five schools without suitors -- Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor -- were pushing to keep the league together. They were all advised to not dissolve the Big 12 if the others left in order to collect money due the league, including exit fees and NCAA tournament payments.

The decision by Texas to stay with the Big 12 slows down what was rumored to be widespread conference expansion. Now, the only moves finalized are Nebraska to the Big Ten (giving it 12 teams), the Pac-10 adding Colorado (going to 11 teams) and the Mountain West adding a 10th team (Boise State). Nebraska and Boise State are expected to begin play for the 2011-12 school year; Colorado's status hasn't been finalized.


Keeping the 10 schools in the Big 12 will allow the conference to keep its BCS automatic berth and its NCAA basketball tournament automatic berth. The Big 12 won't be allowed to hold a football championship game unless it adds two more members or works to change the rules, which currently require 12 teams to have a title game.

*Full article @ espn.com*

*EDIT*

Just some more info from these "sources".

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15295447

A source close to the Pac-10's expansion negotiations told The Denver Post on Monday that Texas insisted on better revenue sharing and its own network, which essentially killed the deal.

"In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they're trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting," the source said. "They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It's been that way for months of discussions."

With all this info being released, its hard to believe any of it at this time. Hopefully things get cleared up tomorrow.

 

[Mailman]

After endless speculation from numerous sources about UT going to the Pac-10, SEC, or Big Ten, this is the shittastic finale to the earth-shaking rumors about the college football landscape? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am a UT alum, but I have honestly never given two flipping chits about UT football because my sports allegiances were formed at an early age on the basis of geography. With all the tradition-based silliness and the goofy scripted cheers every fan is expected to know and shout throughout a game, college football never resonated with this diehard sports fan. I was done with high school and the crap that goes on at college football games is just like high school, only on a bigger scale. No thanks. For me it has always been and will always be about pro sports in my hometown-- Houston.

Houston Oil,er,Texans. Houston Astros. Houston Rockets.

Why should I give a **** about a sport that doesn't even have a playoff system? Why should I give a **** about my university's football program when, for the last decade plus it's been beating up on crappy football teams like Northeastern Idaho State and Nicholls State to start each and every Longhorn football campaign? WOOOOHOOO college football is soooo allsome!!! UT fans love to pop off about how f'n powerful the Longhorn football program has become on the national scene, but most of them have developed a selective case of amnesia. Many are spoiled blowhards who weren't around for the McWilliams/Mackovic years when UT was nothing on the national scene. I was there then and I couldn't have cared less about UT athletics. I was at UT to study. My sports watching schedule was all about the Oilers, Rockets, and Astros, not the damn Longhorns.

Given the success UT has tasted since their yearly five or six-win mediocrity when I was a student, I fully understand why the program's popularity has soared along with the athletic department revenues. Fans love winners. However, UT missed a golden opportunity to return the love to its expanding fanbase by rejecting the PAC 10's offer today. Instead of finally getting rid of these ridiculously weak schedules every year in favor of schools that can provide worthwhile competition, Dodds and Powers have guaranteed Texas a spot as the perennial powerhouse bully in conference of guppies. The only game that means anything is the game against Oklahoma, and it's not even in Austin! Way to f*ck your fanbase, Mr. Dodds.

COLLEGE. FOOTBALL. SUCKS.