Owen Daniels agrees with Ravens

[thunderkyss]

The Chiefs fully changed regimes.

The Falcons kept their regime and are going to use FA/Draft to restock. They have already had a great FA haul and if they do well in the draft then the Falcons should be well positioned for yrs to come. The Falcons took their medicine for the Julio Jones trade last yr and will be better off for it in the long run. I predict IF the Falcons stay healthy they will challenge the 49ers/Seahawks/Saints for the NFC crown.

How did the Texans do in FA compared to the Falcons this yr.

We won't know until the end of the season.

You're saying this team has been mismanaged because we didn't bring in a bunch of FAs? Even if we had the money (which we could have even now if we need it) we wouldn't spend it. It hasn't been our M.O.

I'd be surprised if the Falcons win a play off game. They've only won one since 2005

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm not a betting man. I don't claim to know the future. However, McNair let Casserly finish the draft before letting him go and he's stated that he doesn't want to fire coaches mid-season. He might consider a GM's season to end with the Draft. So there's a possibility that he'll fire Rick Smith after the draft.

However. I don't believe that McNair doesn't want to win. I think he does. I think he believes that it's better to be patient and to give people a chance to succeed than to swap guys out willy-nilly. And I agree with him.

I do know that you don't like McNair. You think he's cheap and just trying to maximize his profits. You think he doesn't want to spend the money necessary to make this team a winner. You think he's doing everything all wrong.

So there's not much more to discuss since I don't believe a single thing that you do.

Some of that, but not all of that.

I do think McNair is cheap when it comes to hiring asst coaches/trainers/scouts. This rears it's ugly head when injuries pop up and the team has little to no depth.

I don't think holding GM's/HC's responsible and their failures costing them their jobs is being wily nilly. Think about it this way, how much farther along would the Texans be if they had fired Rick/Gary in 2010. 2-14 means they couldn't have done worse. The NFL is a results oriented league and so far McNair's on the field product has left much to be desired.

The Texans marketing/PR dept is the best in the NFL. So I think it's quite clear what McNair's priorities are and no I don't hate the man I just see him for what he is. Sure he would like to win, all owners would like to win. Winning just isn't McNair's #1 priority.

A wise man (Texan Bill) once told me the Texans wouldn't ever be built by the model that I would like. McNair prefers the corporate model. That model is rarely successful.

 

[steelbtexan]

We won't know until the end of the season.

You're saying this team has been mismanaged because we didn't bring in a bunch of FAs? Even if we had the money (which we could have even now if we need it) we wouldn't spend it. It hasn't been our M.O.

I'd be surprised if the Falcons win a play off game. They've only won one since 2005

Nope,

What I'm showing is the difference in how the Falcons are managed and the Texans. The Falcons were 3-13 and have a ton of $$$$ to spend in FA and have added major FA acquisitions and will have a high draft pick.

The Texans were up against the cap, couldn't make many moves and have to rely on a GM that missed on two 3rd rd picks in last yrs draft to fill 5/6 huge holes on the team.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Some of that, but not all of that.

I do think McNair is cheap when it comes to hiring asst coaches/trainers/scouts. This rears it's ugly head when injuries pop up and the team has little to no depth.

I don't think holding GM's/HC's responsible and their failures costing them their jobs is being wily nilly. Think about it this way, how much farther along would the Texans be if they had fired Rick/Gary in 2010. 2-14 means they couldn't have done worse. The NFL is a results oriented league and so far McNair's on the field product has left much to be desired.

The Texans marketing/PR dept is the best in the NFL. So I think it's quite clear what McNair's priorities are and no I don't hate the man I just see him for what he is. Sure he would like to win, all owners would like to win. Winning just isn't McNair's #1 priority.

A wise man (Texan Bill) once told me the Texans wouldn't ever be built by the model that I would like. McNair prfers the corporate model. That model is rarely successful.

Like I said, I basically don't agree with any of your assertions.

 

[steelbtexan]

Like I said, I basically don't agree with any of your assertions.

What do you disagree with?

The holding GM/HC responsible/shouldn't have changed regimes after the 2010 season?

The talent on hand?

The corporate model?

The marketing dept?

 

[thunderkyss]

Nope,

What I'm showing is the difference in how the Falcons are managed and the Texans. The Falcons were 3-13 and have a ton of $$$$ to spend in FA and have added major FA acquisitions and will have a high draft pick.

The Texans were up against the cap, couldn't make many moves and have to rely on a GM that missed on two 3rd rd picks in last yrs draft to fill 5/6 huge holes on the team.

eh... you just caught us at a bad time. We may go 9-7 next season & have a butt load of money to spend. The Falcons having money to spend in 2014 & going 3-13 had more to do with chance than anything else. They might go 4-12 next season & have no money.

So I guess by this conversation, you don't agree with making Jj Watt the highest paid defensive player in history?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

What do you disagree with?

The holding GM/HC responsible/shouldn't have changed regimes after the 2010 season?

The talent on hand?

The corporate model?

The marketing dept?

I don't agree that he's cheap. We wouldn't have had one of the largest coaching staffs in the NFL for several years if he was so cheap. I think he's paid good money for coaches/trainers/scouts.

I don't agree that it was a bad thing that he held on to Rick/Gary after the 2010 season. That ended up with the most successful two years in our franchises history. There was nothing wrong with that decision no matter how you want to spin it. The 2-14 season is a totally separate thing to me. And yes, you could have ended up with MUCH worse because you could have ended up not having a single winning season in that three year span and you could definitely not have had a season where you started 11-1 and you could definitely not have had a season where you were 1 injury away from a damned good shot at the Super Bowl.

I don't care about the Texans' Marketing and PR department. Even if we have the greatest marketing department in the world (which I'm not so sure we do), that has no bearing at all on whether McNair wants to field a winner or not. Frankly, if McNair was the cheapskate you say he is, he wouldn't have the #1 marketing department because he wouldn't see the value in it.

You say you don't hate the man and yet you take every possibly opportunity to say unfounded things about him. Anything that goes wrong is an indication of what an a$$ he is... according to you. There are a lot of owners out there who are really crappy and really screw up their teams and I don't see McNair anywhere close to that group. I see him as a guy who's really trying to take a calm and balanced approach to managing his team and who's really trying to make it a winner.

That's just the way I see it and I know, like I said, that you don't agree with anything I just said.

 

[paycheck71]

I think what we see in the NFL is that it's all about getting lucky. You have to have the right coaching staff with the right GM and the right QB and then, things have to bounce your way and you're still screwed if you get hit by injuries to the wrong guys.

The Patriots got lucky when their all-pro QB got injured and he was replaced by Tom Brady. They got lucky with the tuck rule. And then they won the SB. The next year, that team didn't even make the playoffs.

That "great" dynastic team of Belichik and Brady still hasn't been able to win a SB in the past 9 seasons.

The fans of NY have wanted to ditch Tom Coughlin many times. Eli Manning is not nearly the QB his brother is... but... given a little luck at the right time, they've won more SBs together than Peyton Manning has been able to win.

It's not just that McNair hasn't chosen the right guys (and gotten lucky), it's that it's extremely difficult to do and there is no easy/right answer. If there was some obviously right way to do it, more teams would win the SB more often.

It's not ALL about getting lucky, talent and ability still matter, but other than that distinction, I agree with every word.

Edit: It won't let me rep you, so MSR.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't agree that he's cheap. We wouldn't have had one of the largest coaching staffs in the NFL for several years if he was so cheap. I think he's paid good money for coaches/trainers/scouts.

I don't agree that it was a bad thing that he held on to Rick/Gary after the 2010 season. That ended up with the most successful two years in our franchises history. There was nothing wrong with that decision no matter how you want to spin it. The 2-14 season is a totally separate thing to me. And yes, you could have ended up with MUCH worse because you could have ended up not having a single winning season in that three year span and you could definitely not have had a season where you started 11-1 and you could definitely not have had a season where you were 1 injury away from a damned good shot at the Super Bowl.

I don't care about the Texans' Marketing and PR department. Even if we have the greatest marketing department in the world (which I'm not so sure we do), that has no bearing at all on whether McNair wants to field a winner or not. Frankly, if McNair was the cheapskate you say he is, he wouldn't have the #1 marketing department because he wouldn't see the value in it.

You say you don't hate the man and yet you take every possibly opportunity to say unfounded things about him. Anything that goes wrong is an indication of what an a$$ he is... according to you. There are a lot of owners out there who are really crappy and really screw up their teams and I don't see McNair anywhere close to that group. I see him as a guy who's really trying to take a calm and balanced approach to managing his team and who's really trying to make it a winner.

That's just the way I see it and I know, like I said, that you don't agree with anything I just said.

We just have different standards, 11-1 and beating the Bengals again (at home) doesn't mean crap to me. Getting embarrassed almost everytime the Texans play a national TV game means something to me. What did I say about the owner that is unfounded? To me the Texans on the field product has been an absolute failure. (To you it hasn't been. I respect that) The McNairs are the ones that hired a GM/HC with no experience and should take criticism for that.

That calm balanced approach that you like has gotten this franchise nowhere. It's time for a change in philosophy. I think hiring BOB was a good start, although I would like to have seen a HC with a winning NFL pedigree. It appears that BOB wont care how hard the kids try and will be more results oriented. Even with the albatross that is Rick Smith hanging around his neck.

So I guess that we will have to agree to disagree. However just because I criticize the McNair's doesn't mean I hate them. It just means I disagree with how they run their org. You don't disagree with them? How long do you think it will be before Bob McNair learns how to build a winning org. Is he on the right course? IYO, Marketing means $$$$ and you know that. It's the reason McNair spares no expense.

How many 2-14 seasons would it take for you to reconsider your position?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

We just have different standards, 11-1 and beating the Bengals again (at home) doesn't mean crap to me. Getting embarrassed almost everytime the Texans play a national TV game means something to me. What did I say about the owner that is unfounded? To me the Texans on the field product has been an absolute failure. (To you it hasn't been. I respect that) The McNairs are the ones that hired a GM/HC with no experience and should take criticism for that.

That calm balanced approach that you like has gotten this franchise nowhere. It's time for a change in philosophy. I think hiring BOB was a good start, although I would like to have seen a HC with a winning NFL pedigree. It appears that BOB wont care how hard the kids try and will be more results oriented. Even with the albatross that is Rick Smith hanging around his neck.

So I guess that we will have to agree to disagree. However just because I criticize the McNair's doesn't mean I hate them. It just means I disagree with how they run their org. You don't disagree with them? How long do you think it will be before Bob McNair learns how to build a winning org. Is he on the right course? IYO, Marketing means $$$$ and you know that. It's the reason McNair spares no expense.

How many 2-14 seasons would it take for you to reconsider your position?

If having back-to-back seasons with double digit wins and at least 1 playoff victory is failure, then there is not a single franchise that can live up to your standard for more than a season or two. You have to consider the Patriots a terrible franchise because they haven't won a SB in almost a decade. The Ravens didn't make the playoffs last year and they had 12 years between SBs, fire Ozzie. Would you have given Cowher 14 years to win a SB?

How many years are you going to give OB to win a SB? 2? 3? Are you going to fire him after 3 years if all he has is 1 playoff appearance? And then how many years are you going to give the next guy? And then the guy after that? With your philosophy, you're going to be changing coaches every two to three years.

How many 2-14 seasons would it take you to reconsider YOUR position?

 

[steelbtexan]

If having back-to-back seasons with double digit wins and at least 1 playoff victory is failure, then there is not a single franchise that can live up to your standard for more than a season or two. You have to consider the Patriots a terrible franchise because they haven't won a SB in almost a decade. The Ravens didn't make the playoffs last year and they had 12 years between SBs, fire Ozzie. Would you have given Cowher 14 years to win a SB?

How many years are you going to give OB to win a SB? 2? 3? Are you going to fire him after 3 years if all he has is 1 playoff appearance? And then how many years are you going to give the next guy? And then the guy after that? With your philosophy, you're going to be changing coaches every two to three years.

How many 2-14 seasons would it take you to reconsider YOUR position?

I want a solidly built team that is feared and in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 yrs. You know like the Steelers/Packers/Ravens etc.... and win 1-2 every decade. Not a team that wins a wildcard game and then gets embarrassed on national TV.

If OB does well I give him 4-5 yrs to build his program. But after that period if he has a 2010 6-10 season he should be fired, not given a 3 yr contract extention.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I want a solidly built team that is feared and in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 yrs. You know like the Steelers/Packers/Ravens etc.... and win 1-2 every decade. Not a team that wins a wildcard game and then gets embarrassed on national TV.

If OB does well I give him 4-5 yrs to build his program. But after that period if he has a 2010 6-10 season he should be fired, not given a 3 yr contract extention.

The Steelers/Packers/Ravens don't meet that criteria. They're not in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 years. Not seriously. As you've said, just getting to the playoffs a couple of years doesn't cut it.

The Ravens: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 4 times and two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. And if one playoff win in a season isn't a good thing, then three of those times they've made it to the playoffs in that period don't count as victories.

The Packers: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 3 times and in two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. They've lost 3 wildcard playoff games so, by your criteria, those seasons were failures. If you can't win a single playoff game then you're not seriously in the running to win the SB>

The Steelers: They've been out of the playoffs 4 times in the last 10 years. Although they've won 2 SBs in that period, they've also lost in the wildcard game twice.

Seriously. We all want a team that is consistently a winner. But to dismiss the two times we've been to the playoffs and the two games we've won is just silly. That's not you holding anything to a higher standard. That's you creating a double-standard.

You say you'll give OB 4-5 years to build his program.... why didn't you give that time to Kubiak? You were calling for his head after the second season if not before.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Good for him. He'll tear it up there.

 

[steelbtexan]

The Steelers/Packers/Ravens don't meet that criteria. They're not in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 years. Not seriously. As you've said, just getting to the playoffs a couple of years doesn't cut it.

The Ravens: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 4 times and two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. And if one playoff win in a season isn't a good thing, then three of those times they've made it to the playoffs in that period don't count as victories.

The Packers: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 3 times and in two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. They've lost 3 wildcard playoff games so, by your criteria, those seasons were failures. If you can't win a single playoff game then you're not seriously in the running to win the SB>

The Steelers: They've been out of the playoffs 4 times in the last 10 years. Although they've won 2 SBs in that period, they've also lost in the wildcard game twice.

Seriously. We all want a team that is consistently a winner. But to dismiss the two times we've been to the playoffs and the two games we've won is just silly. That's not you holding anything to a higher standard. That's you creating a double-standard.

You say you'll give OB 4-5 years to build his program.... why didn't you give that time to Kubiak? You were calling for his head after the second season if not before.

After the 2009 season that had the easiest schedule I've ever seen and the Texans only go 9-7. The Texans org starts trumpeting this as some kind of great accomplishment and 6-10 followed. I had my doubtsabout Gary/Rick then. After seeing Corrosion's post about Rick being in charge of player procurement, while I hope BOB can turn things around quickly, I've got my doubts anything will really change within the Texans org. I hope I'm wrong.

This says it all about where the Texans (We're on the right track) org stands as of today. With the 1st pick in the 2014 NFL player draft the Houston Texans select .....

We as fans that have supported this team both emotionally and financially from the beginning deserve better. Even though there's nothing we can do other than gripe about the current state of the team.

If the Texans org has done as good as you seem to think then why are the picking 1-1 and what would you do to fix what's wrong with the team if you had the power to fix them?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

After the 2009 season that had the easiest schedule I've ever seen and the Texans only go 9-7. The Texans org starts trumpeting this as some kind of great accomplishment and 6-10 followed. I had my doubtsabout Gary/Rick then. After seeing Corrosion's post about Rick being in charge of player procurement, while I hope BOB can turn things around quickly, I've got my doubts anything will really change within the Texans org. I hope I'm wrong.

This says it all about where the Texans (We're on the right track) org stands as of today. With the 1st pick in the 2014 NFL player draft the Houston Texans select .....

We as fans that have supported this team both emotionally and financially from the beginning deserve better. Even though there's nothing we can do other than gripe about the current state of the team.

If the Texans org has done as good as you seem to think then why are the picking 1-1 and what would you do to fix what's wrong with the team if you had the power to fix them?

First off, griping doesn't accomplish anything.

And I've never said the Texans FO hasn't made mistakes and I've never said that changes shouldn't be or shouldn't have been made. Like you, I would have fired Smithiak after the 6-10 season. But I would have been wrong because I would have missed out on 2 successful seasons -- you and I have a difference of definition on what constitutes a successful season.

We are picking 1-1 for one main reason.

Kubiak believed that Schaub was still the pre-lisfranc Schaub. Smithiak hadn't chosen a successor because QBs frequently have a shelf-life into their late 30's and Smithiak thought they had more time to devote to a true successor and thought they only needed guys for spot duty. This was a mistake. They should have seen the signs at the end of the 2012 season but they didn't.

A secondary reason is the Wade Phillips Effect. It seems that Wade Phillips comes to a team and immediately turns its defense around. Then as time goes on, his defense get worse and worse. Important guys get injured. Some other guys get lazy. Whatever. The defense degrades. Last year, his defense was atrocious in the red zone and terrible at forcing turnovers.

Hopefully, RAC can turn that defense around. I don't have high hopes for that.

And OB has to solve the QB conundrum. Because he's got squat right now and he's probably still going to have squat after draft day.

This next year is probably going to be bad and I don't think there are any quick fixes in sight unless OB's able to work magic on one of these QBs. And this next year might not be the end of it. We might be bad for 2-4 years and if so, we're going to be looking back fondly at those double-digit win seasons.

 

[thunderkyss]

I want a solidly built team that is feared and in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 yrs. You know like the Steelers/Packers/Ravens etc.... and win 1-2 every decade. Not a team that wins a wildcard game and then gets embarrassed on national TV.

Agreed. So do I. But those teams have been around since the beginning. They weren't always so "feared" I remember when Green Bay were chumps, damn near like the Bucs. The Steelers & the Browns/Ravens have had their droughts as well.

To me, it's like everything else. The new kid on the block is rarely the best, or even in that tier. It generally takes time to consistently be competitive when entering such a mature market.

I want the Texans to be thought of with the same reverence as the Steelers, Packers, Patriots.... but it's not going to happen overnight unless we get an Elway, or a Peyton. Drafting Matthew Stafford at #1 overall isn't the same thing (not that you said it was).

It's going to take us a while.... & we're close right now. Gary did a good job. Now we need O'Brien to take us to the next level, & the guy after him to the level after that.

Haven't won 2 playoff games 2006 - 2013:
Falcons
Bills
Panthers
Bengals
Browns
Cowboys
Lions
Jaguars
Chiefs
Dolphins
Vikings
Raiders
Rams
Buccaneers
Titans
Redskins

Four years from now, we're going to be better than these teams, or worse. Right now, I think we're better. Kubiak/Smith did that.

 

[steelbtexan]

First off, griping doesn't accomplish anything.

And I've never said the Texans FO hasn't made mistakes and I've never said that changes shouldn't be or shouldn't have been made. Like you, I would have fired Smithiak after the 6-10 season. But I would have been wrong because I would have missed out on 2 successful seasons -- you and I have a difference of definition on what constitutes a successful season.

We are picking 1-1 for one main reason.

Kubiak believed that Schaub was still the pre-lisfranc Schaub. Smithiak hadn't chosen a successor because QBs frequently have a shelf-life into their late 30's and Smithiak thought they had more time to devote to a true successor and thought they only needed guys for spot duty. This was a mistake. They should have seen the signs at the end of the 2012 season but they didn't.

A secondary reason is the Wade Phillips Effect. It seems that Wade Phillips comes to a team and immediately turns its defense around. Then as time goes on, his defense get worse and worse. Important guys get injured. Some other guys get lazy. Whatever. The defense degrades. Last year, his defense was atrocious in the red zone and terrible at forcing turnovers.

Hopefully, RAC can turn that defense around. I don't have high hopes for that.

And OB has to solve the QB conundrum. Because he's got squat right now and he's probably still going to have squat after draft day.

This next year is probably going to be bad and I don't think there are any quick fixes in sight unless OB's able to work magic on one of these QBs. And this next year might not be the end of it. We might be bad for 2-4 years and if so, we're going to be looking back fondly at those double-digit win seasons.

1. This is McNair's team and although griping may not help it's about all we as fans can do. Except not eat/drink/buy merchandise while at the games cutting into the Texans profits. Canceling season season tickets ont work because McNair will get to double dip on PSL $$$$ and there is a waiting list.

2. While I agree with you on the Schaub thingy, Rick Smith should've seen this coming. CND told us it was coming. Instead of seeing it coming Smith decided that it would be a great idea to extend Schaub putting the team further behind the salary cap 8 ball. So this isn't MMQBing. Tell me how did Smith manage to keep his job? It was probably a combination of throwing Gary under the bus and kissing Cal McNair's butt.

3. With a 1 foot Schaub and a rookie (Keenum0 this wasn't the Wade Phillips effect. This was a defense that spent too much time on the field. Also the injuries with lack of depth and bad FA signing (Reed) were major contributors to the defense demise. Who contributed to these problems? Could Rick Smith have played a large prt in these issues? According to Corrosion Smith was in charge of player procurement.

4. Agree with you on the RAC and QB conundrum points. But I do think if BOB hits on what he does best (Developing QB's) the Texans should be better for it in 3-4 yrs. I do worry about how qualified BOB is, only because he's another 1st time NFL HC and I've been stained by the Rick/Gary yrs.

Bottom line for me is it's time for the McNair's to stop giving lip service about being a winner (This has been going on for the last 5 yrs) and put a proven winning product on the field. Bob McNair needs to quit listening to other cronie owners (your close to a championship) (We''re on the right track) and put a team on the field that Houston can be proud of. Instead of the crap we say last yr. It must be nice to be able to raise ticket prices every yr except the yrs you suck so bad that you end up at 1-1.

 

[steelbtexan]

Agreed. So do I. But those teams have been around since the beginning. They weren't always so "feared" I remember when Green Bay were chumps, damn near like the Bucs. The Steelers & the Browns/Ravens have had their droughts as well.

To me, it's like everything else. The new kid on the block is rarely the best, or even in that tier. It generally takes time to consistently be competitive when entering such a mature market.

I want the Texans to be thought of with the same reverence as the Steelers, Packers, Patriots.... but it's not going to happen overnight unless we get an Elway, or a Peyton. Drafting Matthew Stafford at #1 overall isn't the same thing (not that you said it was).

It's going to take us a while.... & we're close right now. Gary did a good job. Now we need O'Brien to take us to the next level, & the guy after him to the level after that.



Four years from now, we're going to be better than these teams, or worse. Right now, I think we're better. Kubiak/Smith did that.

I hope your right

I would beg to differ on the Rick/Gary contributions part though. Hopefully Rick is gone after next yr and McNair hits on BOB.

 

[infantrycak]

3. With a 1 foot Schaub and a rookie (Keenum0 this wasn't the Wade Phillips effect. This was a defense that spent too much time on the field.

As an fyi - the Texans' offense was 8th in the league in TOP. That was not a cause. Cushing going down would be the biggest non-Wade cause for the decline IMO.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

2. While I agree with you on the Schaub thingy, Rick Smith should've seen this coming. CND told us it was coming. Instead of seeing it coming Smith decided that it would be a great idea to extend Schaub putting the team further behind the salary cap 8 ball. So this isn't MMQBing. Tell me how did Smith manage to keep his job? It was probably a combination of throwing Gary under the bus and kissing Cal McNair's butt.

I don't disagree with any of that. Either Rick Smith OR Kubiak (but probably both) should have seen the signs and they should have prepared for that eventuality better. One problem is that there wasn't really any great QBs in last year's draft, either, although maybe they should have drafted Glennon or Nassib.

I understand how they made the mistake but they shouldn't have made it. And that's why I've got no problem with Kubiak having been fired and I've got no problem if Rick Smith is fired after the draft.

4. Agree with you on the RAC and QB conundrum points. But I do think if BOB hits on what he does best (Developing QB's) the Texans should be better for it in 3-4 yrs. I do worry about how qualified BOB is, only because he's another 1st time NFL HC and I've been stained by the Rick/Gary yrs.

Again, I don't disagree with any of that. Smithiak got too complacent on the QB front and now we're left with OB not having much to work with. Since this draft might not have The Guy, we might have to take another hit this two years for OB to find and develop a guy.

I'm hoping OB steps up. I really liked the hire but it is a risky one.

Bottom line for me is it's time for the McNair's to stop giving lip service about being a winner (This has been going on for the last 5 yrs) and put a proven winning product on the field. Bob McNair needs to quit listening to other cronie owners (your close to a championship) (We''re on the right track) and put a team on the field that Houston can be proud of. Instead of the crap we say last yr. It must be nice to be able to raise ticket prices every yr except the yrs you suck so bad that you end up at 1-1.

And this is where we differ. Just because we had a horrible year last year doesn't diminish the fact that we did have two good years. I don't like painting the entire era black because it ended in such a shambles.

 

[steelbtexan]

I just want more than 2 slightly above avg yrs in an 11 yr span.

Hopefully BOB is the guy to improve on this. It could happen if IMHO

1.McNair lets BOB pick his team with no restrictions.

2. They lock Smith in the closet on draft day. LOL

 

[thunderkyss]

2. While I agree with you on the Schaub thingy, Rick Smith should've seen this coming. CND told us it was coming. Instead of seeing it coming Smith decided that it would be a great idea to extend Schaub putting the team further behind the salary cap 8 ball. So this isn't MMQBing. Tell me how did Smith manage to keep his job? It was probably a combination of throwing Gary under the bus and kissing Cal McNair's butt.

The Texans have not done one thing to lead us to believe they believe Schaub's performance was in any way related to his foot injury. Not one word about it, not a, "He just needs to get healthy." or "He's working through a lot of pain." nothing.

Instead, they say he needs to get a fresh start.

I don't believe this is a situation where they want to "not disclose" a medical issue either. He passes a physical, he should be good to go.

Not to discredit CnD at all, I respect his insight & appreciate that he shares his opinion with us. But he did not look at the xRays, or MRIs. He doesn't know how severe the injury was. He doesn't know (unless he read a report that he hasn't told us about) exactly what was done to put Schaub back together again.

Schaub looked great, in spurts. I pulled the Schaub bandwagon out of the garage after that comeback win against San Diego. Hooked it up to the truck after that OT victory against Tennessee. Pushed it into the ditch after that SanFrancisco fiasco... Then he looked like a baaaaaad sumbtch against Seattle, until... well, y'know.

& if it is something medical, you'd think he would be able to manage it. Walk around with a special shoe all week. Stay off of it three out of 5 days. Shoot it up before the game, something.

& it's not like he was going to run for a first down, or had the strongest arm to begin with.


Don't get me wrong, 2013 was all his fault.

 

[steelbtexan]

The Texans have not done one thing to lead us to believe they believe Schaub's performance was in any way related to his foot injury. Not one word about it, not a, "He just needs to get healthy." or "He's working through a lot of pain." nothing.

Instead, they say he needs to get a fresh start.

I don't believe this is a situation where they want to "not disclose" a medical issue either. He passes a physical, he should be good to go.

Not to discredit CnD at all, I respect his insight & appreciate that he shares his opinion with us. But he did not look at the xRays, or MRIs. He doesn't know how severe the injury was. He doesn't know (unless he read a report that he hasn't told us about) exactly what was done to put Schaub back together again.

Schaub looked great, in spurts. I pulled the Schaub bandwagon out of the garage after that comeback win against San Diego. Hooked it up to the truck after that OT victory against Tennessee. Pushed it into the ditch after that SanFrancisco fiasco... Then he looked like a baaaaaad sumbtch against Seattle, until... well, y'know.

& if it is something medical, you'd think he would be able to manage it. Walk around with a special shoe all week. Stay off of it three out of 5 days. Shoot it up before the game, something.

& it's not like he was going to run for a first down, or had the strongest arm to begin with.


Don't get me wrong, 2013 was all his fault.

I don't trust the Texans medical staff at all. (Boselli/DDW)

2013 wasn't all Schaub's fault. Injuries/team Dr's not allowing Wade Smith and Newton to get fully healthy like Seattle did with their OL injuries. Injuries with on defense with little depth etc... But Schaub did play a large part in 2-14.

 

[thunderkyss]

I just want more than 2 slightly above avg yrs in an 11 yr span.

Hopefully BOB is the guy to improve on this. It could happen if IMHO

1.McNair lets BOB pick his team with no restrictions.

2. They lock Smith in the closet on draft day. LOL

I've got no doubt that it'll get better than 2 above avg seasons in an 11 year span. Gary & Rick already left us in a better position than when they got here. The first 4 years got us squat in the above avg years column. Somewhat to be expected, but not acceptable.

But how can you give OB 3-4 years just to get his players?

8 years from now, an 11 year history would include Kubiak's above average 2011 & 2012. Throw out 2013, give OB three years to build, and he's got to be above average in 2017, or he's getting the axe?

Kubiak's been here 8 years. 3 losing seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 8-8 seasons. Not great, but we were an expansion team & look back at that list of 16 teams infantrycak made.

OB doesn't have that expansion team thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that rookie GM thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that "Owner doesn't know his elbow from his @sshole" thing to worry about.

I think he's got 16 players who are going to do everything they can to make sure we have a winning season in 2014.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've got no doubt that it'll get better than 2 above avg seasons in an 11 year span. Gary & Rick already left us in a better position than when they got here. The first 4 years got us squat in the above avg years column. Somewhat to be expected, but not acceptable.

But how can you give OB 3-4 years just to get his players?

8 years from now, an 11 year history would include Kubiak's above average 2011 & 2012. Throw out 2013, give OB three years to build, and he's got to be above average in 2017, or he's getting the axe?

Kubiak's been here 8 years. 3 losing seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 8-8 seasons. Not great, but we were an expansion team & look back at that list of 16 teams infantrycak made.

OB doesn't have that expansion team thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that rookie GM thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that "Owner doesn't know his elbow from his @sshole" thing to worry about.

I think he's got 16 players who are going to do everything they can to make sure we have a winning season in 2014.

At 2-14 the Texans my not be an expansion team but they're not far from being one. Look at all the holes that need to be filled and very little depth. (Not the least of which is QB) Rick Smith played a large hand in this. McNair's comments like (We're on the right track/don't want to do anything too traumatic) sure doesn't evoke confidence for me.

 

[ObsiWan]

I don't trust the Texans medical staff at all. (Boselli/DDW)

2013 wasn't all Schaub's fault. Injuries/team Dr's not allowing Wade Smith and Newton to get fully healthy like Seattle did with their OL injuries. Injuries with on defense with little depth etc... But Schaub did play a large part in 2-14.

This begs the question, who were those guys (the Texans med staff) and are THEY still here??

You would think that an organization that has major ties to one of the largest hospital systems in the country, Methodist, and whose success ultimately depends on the health and strength of its primary employees (the players), would be better (MUCH f#@king better) at diagnosing sports injuries and treating them properly.

and yet...

Edit:
Oh and I think O.D. will have a fine year up in Baltimore.

 

[Corrosion]

This begs the question, who were those guys (the Texans med staff) and are THEY still here??

You would think that an organization that has major ties to one of the largest hospital systems in the country, Methodist, and whose success ultimately depends on the health and strength of its primary employees (the players), would be better (MUCH f#@king better) at diagnosing sports injuries and treating them properly.

and yet...

Edit:
Oh and I think O.D. will have a fine year up in Baltimore.

Yeah , we can point to probably half a dozen or more instances where these Dr's screwed the pooch ... Boselli , Joppru , D.Davis errr Williams , Ed Reed .... who am I leaving out ?!


They have a piss poor track record ....

 

[steelbtexan]

This begs the question, who were those guys (the Texans med staff) and are THEY still here??

You would think that an organization that has major ties to one of the largest hospital systems in the country, Methodist, and whose success ultimately depends on the health and strength of its primary employees (the players), would be better (MUCH f#@king better) at diagnosing sports injuries and treating them properly.

and yet...

Edit:
Oh and I think O.D. will have a fine year up in Baltimore.

The questios I have is how much pressure do/did the McNairs/Charlie-Dom/Rick-Gary put on the DR's to get the assets (Players) on the field as soon as possible, sometimes to the detriment of the long term future of the Texans org and the players careers?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora Apr 4

Ravens got Owen Daniels at a bargain price - $1M base salary with another $1M available in incentives. No guarantees

 

[PapaL]

...

Yup, that'll show us! Wanting him to take a cut. Pffft!

 

[handswarmer]

I can understand the hate on Schaub- the guy isn't that good without playmakers around him and he gets hurt a lot.

But the hate on Kubiak to me seems abit over the top...


OD, Fossett, etc are all players brought n to help teach the Kub's system because OTA's are getting smaller and smaller each year. This is all about getting the Ravens up to speed on his playbook.

Rumors around here are that a Texans b/up Qb is next on the radar....

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I can understand the hate on Schaub- the guy isn't that good without playmakers around him and he gets hurt a lot.

But the hate on Kubiak to me seems abit over the top...


OD, Fossett, etc are all players brought n to help teach the Kub's system because OTA's are getting smaller and smaller each year. This is all about getting the Ravens up to speed on his playbook.

Rumors around here are that a Texans b/up Qb is next on the radar....

Oh? Are you guys going to make a trade for TJ or Case or do you think you'll just wait for one of them to be cut at the end of TC? I don't expect us to keep both of them.

 

[steelbtexan]

I can understand the hate on Schaub- the guy isn't that good without playmakers around him and he gets hurt a lot.

But the hate on Kubiak to me seems abit over the top...


OD, Fossett, etc are all players brought n to help teach the Kub's system because OTA's are getting smaller and smaller each year. This is all about getting the Ravens up to speed on his playbook.

Rumors around here are that a Texans b/up Qb is next on the radar....

Not hate, just disappointment that the last 4 yrs were wasted and the team has the same exact record as when he became HC.

 

[Playoffs]

Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith

Owen Daniels on suddenly leaving #Texans: "Bam is right." Added: "It totally hurts."

 

[thunderkyss]

But the hate on Kubiak to me seems abit over the top...

Thank you so much for telling us how to feel.

 

[Texan_Bill]

"I let go of where I was the last eight years whenever they let me go. I wasn’t good enough for them anymore."

Well OD, thanks for being honest!! At least you admit that you've been injury prone and if nothing, the Smithiak regime got one thing right.......... Other, good tight ends, that may or may not be more durable.

OD,
No bad will on you, it's time your injured ass moved on! It's best for both parties and the sooner you come to grips with that, the better. I hope you have a good 10 games this season!

 

[Speedy]

But Schaub did play a large part in 2-14.

Yeah, he got the 2.

 

[PapaL]

Yeah, he got the 2.

And 8 of the 14

 

[BullNation4Life]

I can understand the hate on Schaub- the guy isn't that good without playmakers around him and he gets hurt a lot.

But the hate on Kubiak to me seems abit over the top...


OD, Fossett, etc are all players brought n to help teach the Kub's system because OTA's are getting smaller and smaller each year. This is all about getting the Ravens up to speed on his playbook.

Rumors around here are that a Texans b/up Qb is next on the radar....

until you have walked a mile, or 8 in our case, in our shoes, you wouldn't understand...

Someone once said the definition of insanity is doing the same task over and over and over and expecting different results. Kubiak danced all on, around and finally over that fine line for 8 years. don't worry, you will see soon enough when you run Rice left, then run Rice right, then run Rice up the middle, then punt....

it was more frustration than hate...

 

[infantrycak]

And 8 of the 14

6 - Schaub started 8 games.

 

[PapaL]

6 - Schaub started 8 games.

He attempted 37 and 34 passes in the other two games, he shares credit for those losses as well.

 

[infantrycak]

He attempted 37 and 34 passes in the other two games, he shares credit for those losses as well.

The Texans outscored their opponents while he was in the game in both instances. So no.

 

[PapaL]

The Texans outscored their opponents while he was in the game in both instances. So no.

Maybe we should throw him a parade and offer orange slices. Loss is a loss.

 

[thunderkyss]

nvm

 

[handswarmer]

until you have walked a mile, or 8 in our case, in our shoes, you wouldn't understand...

Someone once said the definition of insanity is doing the same task over and over and over and expecting different results. Kubiak danced all on, around and finally over that fine line for 8 years. don't worry, you will see soon enough when you run Rice left, then run Rice right, then run Rice up the middle, then punt....

it was more frustration than hate...

That's the Brian Billick offense- been there, done that- got the T-shirt.

 

[handswarmer]

Oh? Are you guys going to make a trade for TJ or Case or do you think you'll just wait for one of them to be cut at the end of TC? I don't expect us to keep both of them.

I expect them to wait for a cut- Ozzie values draft picks too much.

 

[handswarmer]

Thank you so much for telling us how to feel.

That's an observation- not a directive.

 

[infantrycak]

That's the Brian Billick offense- been there, done that- got the T-shirt.

You should expect to receive some gross exaggerations about Kubiak around here. Even if the Texans passed 70% of the time on 3rd and 4 you'll hear from some that we "always" ran a draw play.

 

[santo]

handswarmer, the best thing you can hope for is that Kubiak becomes like Capers and helps Harbaugh to another championship.

Hope he does well for y'all.

 

[thunderkyss]

handswarmer, the best thing you can hope for is that Kubiak becomes like Capers and helps Harbaugh to another championship.

Hope he does well for y'all.

I think Baltimore became a top ten offensive team when they got Kubiak. He's going to make it easy for Flacco to get the most out of that laser rocket arm.

Make us even more mad we didn't invest more in younger QBs sooner than we did.