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Our Secondary Is Terrible--Ahmad Carroll.

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WILLIEG

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One of our biggest problems this year is the play or lack of play from our secondary. D. robinson is the only bright spot, but I feel as if his coverage skills aren't shinning like they were when he was a rookie. Everyone else is averahge and that's putting it nicely. They are ging to be the achilles heel of this year. And I really wish we had the type of LB's that could drop into coverage and help out our secondary, but we don't. However, D. Ryans is going to be a great MLB, so at least that's a bright spot.
 
WILLIEG said:
One of our biggest problems this year is the play or lack of play from our secondary. D. robinson is the only bright spot, but I feel as if his coverage skills aren't shinning like they were when he was a rookie. Everyone else is averahge and that's putting it nicely. They are ging to be the achilles heel of this year. And I really wish we had the type of LB's that could drop into coverage and help out our secondary, but we don't. However, D. Ryans is going to be a great MLB, so at least that's a bright spot.
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It also hurts not having Faggins in there........:crutch:
 
I saw little to no pressure on McNabb all game. That said, I thought Lewis Sanders looked terrible. Dunta only got beat on one play but he made some really good plays that made up for it.
 
Dunta is just fine.

He is playing as hard as he did his Rookie year, he just doesnt have as much help.
 
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
It also hurts not having Faggins in there........:crutch:
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No it doesn't. He is slower than and less talented than Sanders and Buchanon. Believe me, you would be calling for him to be benched if you saw him play today.
 
Dunta played an excellent game. He was all over the place. It felt like every three tackles belonged to either Dunta or Demeco.

That being said, we are going to be lit up if we can't rush the QB. The secondary, overall, is one of our weakest areas. Hopefully this next offseason (only four months away!) we can get an effective secondary through trades, FA, or picks.
 
only one game. we already knew that the Texans defensive short commings we're in the secondary, no big surprise there, Philly realized this and took advantage of it. I'd almost bet a beer that the Texans draft a DB in the 1'st rd. in the 2007 NFL draft. also they release Phillip Buchanaon :yikes:
 
beerlover said:
I'd almost bet a beer that the Texans draft a DB in the 1'st rd. in the 2007 NFL draft. also they release Phillip Buchanaon :yikes:
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I'd almost bet one that the Texans draft two to three DBs in next years draft. Not to mention another good LB.
 
beerlover said:
only one game. we already knew that the Texans defensive short commings we're in the secondary, no big surprise there, Philly realized this and took advantage of it. I'd almost bet a beer that the Texans draft a DB in the 1'st rd. in the 2007 NFL draft. also they release Phillip Buchanaon :yikes:
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I think he is a free agent after this year..IIRC....But IMO, he is one of our more talented DB's...We would have to really re-load to let him walk...
 
Yes, our secondary is probably the weakest spot on the team. It is questionable if Sanders, Earl or Brown would be starters on most teams and definitely wouldn't be starting on playoff teams. Besides Ryans our LB core is made up of backups as well. Orr and Greenwood are little more than warm bodies in the position and certainly aren't playmakers.

No pass rush with a below average secondary equals losing record for the year.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Sanders had a good game...We didn't miss Faggins...
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I was watching the TEXAN/EAGLE game. What were you watching?! Sanders got burned all day. I can't wait for Petey to get back. Sanders can keep the bench warm! JMO!!!
 
SheTexan said:
I was watching the TEXAN/EAGLE game. What were you watching?! Sanders got burned all day. I can't wait for Petey to get back. Sanders can keep the bench warm! JMO!!!
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I will rewatch the whole game and I will get back to you with a definite response...BUT...from just what I remember He played well...He had two nice pass break-ups that I remember, and I don't remember him "getting burned all day"....I know he was atleast not burned too bad in the first half....
 
You can put Deion Sanders, Lester Hayes, Ronnie Lott, and Jake Scott back there but if the QB has all day to throw .......... :cool:
 
No defensive pass rush, and low talent (do NOT include Dunta in that statement) in the secondary. At least this year we don't play any teams known for passing offenses (Philly, Indy, Dallas, Jax). Oh, snap...

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xtruroyaltyx said:
I will rewatch the whole game and I will get back to you with a definite response...BUT...from just what I remember He played well...He had two nice pass break-ups that I remember, and I don't remember him "getting burned all day"....I know he was atleast not burned too bad in the first half....
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I thought Sanders was a bright spot on defense. He made some great plays.
 
jdog said:
I thought Sanders was a bright spot on defense. He made some great plays.
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I'm not sure how Sanders eats with those hands. He let two ints drop.

The whole DB field just stunk today.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
Why didn't we address this in the offseason?:challenge :fireball: :bowser:
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We just couldn't address everything at once. As far as I know the Texans desperately sought a good, veteran corner in free agency, but didn't find one.

Sanders doesn't worry me as much as our safties. Earl and Brown are second stringers on nearly any other team in the league.

A very bad thing to come out of yesterday's loss was the total exposure of our secondary and pass rush. Every team we play this year is going to watch the Eagles and Colts game to see how they won. I think our defense is going to be in at the bottom of the league once again this year statistically speaking.

It's going to be a long season.
 
El Tejano said:
I'm not sure how Sanders eats with those hands. He let two ints drop.

The whole DB field just stunk today.
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That is not what I saw. With the exception of one breakdown (CC Browns) the DB's played hard and made some nice plays.

What I saw was McNabb actually having so much time from Q2 on that on occassion that I actually think I saw him "smiling" on a couple of replays while we was camped out in the pocket. To be fair, no defensive backfield could have shut down the Eagles yesterday given the total lack of effective pressure we put on their QB.
 
Rightnow said:
We just couldn't address everything at once. As far as I know the Texans desperately sought a good, veteran corner in free agency, but didn't find one.

Sanders doesn't worry me as much as our safties. Earl and Brown are second stringers on nearly any other team in the league.

A very bad thing to come out of yesterday's loss was the total exposure of our secondary and pass rush. Every team we play this year is going to watch the Eagles and Colts game to see how they won. I think our defense is going to be in at the bottom of the league once again this year statistically speaking.

It's going to be a long season.
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I am not throwing in the towel yet. But I expected no more than a 6-10 maybe 7-9 season, and game 1 is surely different than the preseason in that the other team preps for you vs. running base coverages.

The defense was bad, and we all knew the sceondary is a problem. 2 year rebuilding plan as I have always said, is what we are going through. Whoever said 13-3 is greatly optimistic and I love your enthusiasm, but I just hope we see the team mature over the next few weeks and learn to make some plays are critical times.

Mario and the D-live has to figure out how to get to the qb.
 
markbeth said:
its hard for me to be to hard on the secondary with the protection mcnabb had.
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thank you! its not the secondaries fault at all. mcnabb could have played the game in a wheel chair. he had all the time to sit around and let the routes develop. the secondary can only cover for so long.
 
The pass rush had nothing to due with the fact every pass thrown to a reciever coverd by Sanders was caught. CC Brown bit on a fake handoff and made the Laughing stock of the week play. In the NFL no one should ever be that wide open. Our secondary made the team look like a lughing stock. Mcnabb had some pressure. He is very good at feeling the pressure and getting rid of the ball. The problem was that even when he threw to a coverd reciever the catch was made. They simply ran all the recievers away from Daunte and said no one else in your secondary can cover and they were correct.
 
done88 said:
The pass rush had nothing to due with the fact every pass thrown to a reciever coverd by Sanders was caught. CC Brown bit on a fake handoff and made the Laughing stock of the week play. In the NFL no one should ever be that wide open. Our secondary made the team look like a lughing stock. Mcnabb had some pressure. He is very good at feeling the pressure and getting rid of the ball. The problem was that even when he threw to a coverd reciever the catch was made. They simply ran all the recievers away from Daunte and said no one else in your secondary can cover and they were correct.
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Actually Sanders had two passes defended that I can remember...one of which saved a touchdown. :shades:
 
DBCooper said:
Then our front 4 need to get after the QB before he can pick em apart.
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yep. I thought that was the plan of action before yesterday. :howdy: It worked on the chaulkboard!
 
Many of you guys are correct in stating that our secondary is just horrible. It's a good thing that this years draft is full of many talented and fast CB's. We are just ging to have to live with the fact that many of the good passing teams are goning to have a field day against our secondary. McNair wants to believe that we are going to be competitive this year and we are, but a wining season is looking very far away and that's just the reality of what the former coaching staff has done to this organization. This really sucks, but I have no doubt that GK and his staff are going to have us realizing most of our dreams, in going to the playoofs and possible Super Bowl Championship.
 
our secondary is actually pretty decent dunte is a stud back there if your looking to blame someone for the poor performance yesterday its gotta be the d-line. this was supposed to be a strong point of your team after being the focal point of your off season... come on... could mario williams actually come close to a qb every once in a while. this guy seems soft to me poor technique and i dont think he has the motor or the heart to be really goood. mcnabb had all day to throw the ball we could have had the best corners in the history of football out there and we would have gotten killed. the pash rush is non existent. didnt bob mcnair say we took williams because we have to beat the colts and get pressure on manning. yeah right i dont think mario will get close enough to sneeze on manning let alone cause some serious pressure.. 6'7 300 pounds of crap... wheres reggie?
 
WILLIEG said:
One of our biggest problems this year is the play or lack of play from our secondary. D. robinson is the only bright spot, but I feel as if his coverage skills aren't shinning like they were when he was a rookie. Everyone else is averahge and that's putting it nicely. They are ging to be the achilles heel of this year. And I really wish we had the type of LB's that could drop into coverage and help out our secondary, but we don't. However, D. Ryans is going to be a great MLB, so at least that's a bright spot.
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A guy in my office told me the TV broadcast showed Andy Reid seconds before the Stallworth burn play for a touchdown throwing his play card to his assistance coach. The guy said he lip read Reid to say "Watch this". We wuz skewled.
 
WILLIEG said:
One of our biggest problems this year is the play or lack of play from our secondary. D. robinson is the only bright spot, but I feel as if his coverage skills aren't shinning like they were when he was a rookie.
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The reason he looked so good his rookie year is because he played the other side. He's should be our #2 CB and look for us to address this in the offseason. Dunta plays well on the run when he sniffs out a play but will get blown up by a blocker. He gives up the big play from time to time that is costly to us. Sanders had 2 ints in his hands, he shouldn't even be starting and should be a dime back. Pbuc, your mom called and wants to know when you are coming out of the bathroom.
 
I hear you, man. I was hoping we would drop down and pick up Huff. I thought that would be a great boon to us playing in the division we are in, but hey, them's the breaks.
 
GREEN BAY, Wisc. -- A tough night has cost cornerback Ahmad Carroll his roster spot.

The Green Bay Packers on Tuesday released the 2004 first-round pick, who struggled a night earlier in a 31-9 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

Against the Eagles, Carroll was beaten for a 45-yard touchdown by wide receiver Greg Lewis in the third quarter. He also was called for pass interference and a defensive holding penalty later in the second half, setting up two more Philadelphia touchdowns.

Selected 25th overall in 2004 out of Arkansas, Carroll played in 34 games with 28 starts for the Packers, recording three interceptions.
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Third CB taken in the 2004 draft behind DeAngelo Hall and Dunta. Anyone watched Green Bay enough to have formed an informed opinion on him? Started a bunch of games until GB got Charles Woodson and now dumped in a move which seems as strange as waiving Wand. Hard to believe he wouldn't be an upgrade on McCleon.

4.26 must have been from a pro-day reporting.

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Being beaten like a rented mule in the game isn't a high recomendation, but Sherman should be able to give some inside info.
 
Carroll who was a first round pick CB by Sherman and his crew up in Green Bay. Just got cut today after a horrible display against the Eagles in MNF. The fans and management just got tired of him. But I don't belive he recieved the proper coaching do yall believe the Texans we take a chance at him see they would have the bye week to work with him. Carroll has legit 4.2 speed and hits like a linebacker, but apperently has horrible horrible technique.
 
I say that we pick him up, let me see the worse case scenario is that our secondary continues to get abused hmm seems like u can't go wrong with pick him up then
 
I'd love for us to pick him up... He couldn't be any worse than Buchanon and at least he can tackle.
 
I'm just going to echo the replies that say Dunta isn't getting much help. He needs a good, consistent pass rush. He also needs a free safety and strong safety that have the heart, skills, and smarts necessary to back up a defensive backfield.

There isn't a corner in the league that isn't going to get burnt a couple of times a game in this league without the kind of help mentioned above. Cornerbacks are guys that didn't have the size, speed, and hands to be wide receivers.

Unless a cornerback of Dunta's caliber makes a stupid mental mistake, you can't hold him accountable for giving up a deep ball or two if he isn't getting good help from the rest of the defense.
 
If there is little or no off-field baggage - and Sherman should know ... and

If the Texans think Carroll is better than Derrick Johnson .... and

If Kubiak, Smith and Hoke think they can coach him up ... and

Given the fact that the contract is not a biggie to assume ....

Then, it's a no brainer.
 
aj. said:
If there is little or no off-field baggage - and Sherman should know ... and

If the Texans think Carroll is better than Derrick Johnson .... and

If Kubiak, Smith and Hoke think they can coach him up ... and

Given the fact that the contract is not a biggie to assume ....

Then, it's a no brainer.
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I couldn't have said it this well.

This organization doesn't seem afraid to tinker with things. I like that. This defense will get better. The running game will get better.

I think we will all be foaming at the mouth for a playoff game this time next year.
 
scourge said:
I'd love for us to pick him up... He couldn't be any worse than Buchanon and at least he can tackle.
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Yes, he can be and is worse than P-Buch. Buchannon at least had a year or so (oakland) where he looked decent and made a few plays. This has never been the case with Carroll. I guess throw him a line hope you get lucky, but not expecting too much if he comes here myself.
 
personally I was very dissappointed that Pbuc got hurt early on, he was trying really hard in camp, working on tackling, good things looked like they were happening, who knows how he will do if and when he gets a starting spot, I think I would rather have him than mecleon or sanders. heck i'd rather have him at FS than cc brown for that matter. brown is a SS no matter what hat he puts on. and sanders plays like a safety, come to think of it what exactly does a safety look like? we really havent had one have we?.....
 
I have said for several months that WE NEED ANOTHER CORNER. No one seemed to listen. That being said, and I may be the only one to say this, but I have been pleasanty surprised with Sanders. Maybe it's because I expected so very little. I am not a Faggins fan and don't think he is a significant upgrade over Sanders. Our nickle package will be better when Faggins gets back. Sanders is not a great cover corner but has ben in position to make some plays and he can tackle. I personally think Buchanan is pretty useless both in coverage and tackling, and misses alot of wholes in the return game. (Sorry for the run on sentences but I'm tired.)
 
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