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I came across what I consider an excellent article and I was debating whether to place here in this forum or in the NFL Forum. But this article fits right into the discussion we've had over the years about our quarterback play holding us back from great success. Even more appropriate to our team is the article's emphasis on the sophistication and skills required of the quarterback as the NFL offenses and defenses become more and more complex............and arguably, there is no more complex an offense for a quarterback to handle and master than that of O'Brien's.

An Education in Quarterbacking: Understanding the Most Difficult Position in Sports
 
Great article. Let's hope that all of the intangibles and work ethic that Osweiller has displayed since he has been here will translate to his success on the field.
 
This is one of the most well-written, best analysis on the position of QB that I have read in a long time. Maybe ever. It enlightened me, shocked me, and it added some color to some of the arguments and discussions that I've seen on this message board and others for a while now concerning our QB situations over the years.

The article prescribes a certain and fragile mix of intelligence, demeanor, leadership, physical ability and other qualities that we all think of when we think of the all time great QB's. These qualities are, for the most part, mutually exclusive when it comes to being able to succeed at the highest level in the hardest position in sports. In our franchise's history, never have we had a QB that possesses all of these qualities. That's obvious. But that's what makes me so excited about Osweiler in this offense with this group of talent around him. When I see Brock get up and speak, I see confident excitedness and appreciation for the opportunity to start for the Texans. When I saw Hoyer speak, he spoke with the bland demeanor of a journeyman who was just trying to make it through the next week. The leadership quality is also there, and has been from day 1. From the initial press conference, arranged workouts with his new WR's, he's done everything and said everything you'd want to hear and see from your franchise guy. I think what attracted a lot of people to Ryan Mallett was his leadership abilities: he was hyped, always the first to high five his teammates after a great play, and just seemed like he was honestly having a great time out there. Constantly cheering from the sidelines, and so on. I don't think anyone ever questioned his leadership abilities, he just didn't quite have the other tools to make him a success. I see the same leadership qualities in Osweiler, but with the other tools the article speaks of.

I was listening to Tim Hasselbeck this morning on Mike & Mike talking about how miserable his experience in college was under a two quarterback system. As the starter, he would typically play a certain set of downs and then his backup would always come in the first series of the second quarter. He never could get in a rhythm, establish any sort of feel for the game in that system. And then think about the backup, you'd warm up and then sit for an hour waiting for your turn. I understand that this might work in certain packages if you have a big body QB who can run, etc. But his point was this: at some point, the coach has to take leadership, step up and name a starter. If all things are equal, don't put it on the players to show you who deserves to start. Make a choice, live with it. In my opinion, that was BOB's flaw last year. I think it was a learning experience for him, I still think he's one hell of a coach, and I think we will benefit greatly from not having that scenario this year.

My favorite part of the article was this: "Imagine this," Jackson says. "A guy has 11 seconds to get the play from me [over the headset]: He has to understand the formation, the play and sometimes an alert. Then he has to tell that play to the offensive team. Then he has to think through the defense. He has to make sure he communicates with [the other offensive players] through words and hand signals. Say it's Trips Right Lizzy Left Quanzi. He's got to get the play. Then give the play. Now he has to decipher what the defense is doing [at the line of scrimmage]: Personnel, front, coverage. Who's the Mike [middle linebacker]? Now you think you figured it out. Then you say 'Set-Hut.' Now the processor is rolling: You've gotta decide in milliseconds, 'Where do I go [with the ball]? What do I do? There's a pre-snap thought and a post-snap thought. Now you got all those dudes on the other side -- they're trying to hurt you, they're growling, talking [expletive] to you. You've gotta handle all that. And now, under those conditions, you're paid to make plays. And if you don't? Well, you've got to repeat the process right away. ... And how do you deal with the stress of missing the play?"

That excerpt completely changed my opinion on whether or not the NFL should reduce the amount of preseason games. Again, personal opinion not trying beat the dead horse and stir up old arguments. I had an idea of the pre-snap procedure a QB typically goes through, but to see it written out like this just shined the light to me on how difficult the transition is for rookie offensive players not from the physical perspective, but the mental. If what Trent Dilfer said in the article is true, if most QB's coming out of college are as football remedial as it gets, then I'm all for the 4 preseason games. But to get back on topic, everything I've seen and heard about Osweiler is that he has the intelligence and is picking up BOB's very complex system nicely. Another checked box. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I cannot recall a time this preseason where we had an offensive delay of game, or at least too few to remember.

Physical ability is still to be seen, but I am optimistic that we truly might have something special with this QB and this group of guys. Like all of you, I've waited a long time for football to be relevant in this city again. I don't mean one playoff win and then out, I mean a perrenial threat. Oline has some health issues, sure. But if the things that flashed in preseason are any indication of what's to come, then it's a damn exciting time to be a Houston Texans fan.
 
I came across what I consider an excellent article and I was debating whether to place here in this forum or in the NFL Forum. But this article fits right into the discussion we've had over the years about our quarterback play holding us back from great success. Even more appropriate to our team is the article's emphasis on the sophistication and skills required of the quarterback as the NFL offenses and defenses become more and more complex............and arguably, there is no more complex an offense for a quarterback to handle and master than that of O'Brien's.

An Education in Quarterbacking: Understanding the Most Difficult Position in Sports

Awesome, man! I just saw the interview with Michael Silver about this very article. So glad you posted it because I might have forgot to look for it.

I haven't had a chance to read it, but he made some really excellent points in the interview. NFL QBing is getting much more complicated, but college QBing I going the other way with spread offenses and read options. It is getting tougher and tougher for NFL scouts to figure out which QB prospects will have the intelligence to run NFL offenses. The learning curve is extremely steep in a league that demands immediate results.
 
I was wondering, cannot only be 10 people on the planet. If you need attributes like good with processing lots of data and somewhat athletic, maybe we should look for Chess Grandmasters that do Yoga and crossfit, or some other things? (kidding, but come on, must be more somewhere)
 
I think this article should be 'must read' for anyone advocating picking a QB high in the draft. It's not as easy as looking at college tape and making a decision based on height and arm strength. This is a position where the Wonderlic can actually provide another angle of insight into the mental acumen of a QB. There should be several different angles, though, to judge the intelligence and mental quickness in making decisions under pressure.

And I think this article gives us insight with regards to the Texans FO mentality behind signing Brock over drafting a rookie. The window for this team is open this season, not 3-4 years from now. They needed someone to step in and handle the job and pressure to win this season. This is not a rebuild process. This is much more of a "just add QB" team. And when looking the available choices for veteran QBs, I believe that Brock is the best of the bunch this offseason.
 
I think this article should be 'must read' for anyone advocating picking a QB high in the draft. It's not as easy as looking at college tape and making a decision based on height and arm strength. This is a position where the Wonderlic can actually provide another angle of insight into the mental acumen of a QB. There should be several different angles, though, to judge the intelligence and mental quickness in making decisions under pressure.

And I think this article gives us insight with regards to the Texans FO mentality behind signing Brock over drafting a rookie. The window for this team is open this season, not 3-4 years from now. They needed someone to step in and handle the job and pressure to win this season. This is not a rebuild process. This is much more of a "just add QB" team. And when looking the available choices for veteran QBs, I believe that Brock is the best of the bunch this offseason.
From what I've seen, I think the Texans got the best FA QB since Manning, only without the health questions or, unfortunately, the track record. I haven't been this excited for the start of the season since 2002. I'll be very happy if I see the weekly progress that we saw in Os during the preseason.
 
From what I've seen, I think the Texans got the best FA QB since Manning, only without the health questions or, unfortunately, the track record. I haven't been this excited for the start of the season since 2002. I'll be very happy if I see the weekly progress that we saw in Os during the preseason.

I agree completely!

I'm not gonna' lie. I'm not an overly optimistic person by nature. I tend to convince myself that I'm a "realist", but that's probably just a pessimist in camo. ;)

That said, I feel a natural optimism about this season that I have not felt in many, many years. I was a bit optimistic during the couple of playoff runs, but it was cautious. I think the way the Texans ended those seasons never had me completely convinced that they were true contenders.

But now, I feel like this defense is legit, and this offense has a lot of potential. I'm looking forward to this season like a kid at Christmas!
 
I agree completely!

I'm not gonna' lie. I'm not an overly optimistic person by nature. I tend to convince myself that I'm a "realist", but that's probably just a pessimist in camo. ;)

That said, I feel a natural optimism about this season that I have not felt in many, many years. I was a bit optimistic during the couple of playoff runs, but it was cautious. I think the way the Texans ended those seasons never had me completely convinced that they were true contenders.

But now, I feel like this defense is legit, and this offense has a lot of potential. I'm looking forward to this season like a kid at Christmas!
It's such a better feeling than knowing the QB position is going to hold you back.
 
A feel good article always sounds oh so good, when a teams draft pick or big time free agent acquisition pans out. If Brock pans out, we will read a lot of great articles on how the Texans finally got it right. Especially after what we had to endure last season and the year before at the QB position.


Here's to hoping we finally found the answer to our quarterback woes. Let's Go Texans!!

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Great read!
 
Great read! Also, good to see some genuine responses instead of the usual "you're drinking the kool-aid" crap. I have a good feeling about this season, and have confidence in Brock. I don't know if it's because of the way he comes across while in front of the cameras, or because of what I saw throughout the preseason, but Osweiler sure makes me feel like we may finally have the answer at QB.

At least I hope we do...
 
Also, good to see some genuine responses instead of the usual "you're drinking the kool-aid" crap.

It's hilarious that you over the top guys call anyone that questions your comments or makes observations that might be differing from yours "crap"

You guys must have had a whole boatload of "crap" on the other board, or no reasonable discussions at all

Damn this whole MB is going to "CRAP"
 
It's hilarious that you over the top guys call anyone that questions your comments or makes observations that might be differing from yours "crap"

You guys must have had a whole boatload of "crap" on the other board, or no reasonable discussions at all

Damn this whole MB is going to "CRAP"
What are you talking about? I didn't call anyone "crap." I'm curious...Which part of my post offended you? I really want to know, because I honestly don't see anything negative anywhere on it. And, why are you taking it as a personal attack?
 
I'm more worried about the run game. I feel better about the QB position than I have in a long time. Os & Savage, I think we're good.
I feel the same way about our QB situation. Now, I know every thread ends up the same (turning into an o-line discussion) but, it's pretty obvious that this area needs to be addressed. We shouldn't be having this problem when we have Lamar Miller as our Feature Back.
 
Very rare quality article for this day and age!! I'm impressed. I was watching him second guessing Elliott Harrison's Power Rankings yesterday. He gained a point today.
 
Reading all that makes me believe even more in the need for stability in coaching and quarterback position.

Hope Os an OB stay here for years.
That's why I am always slow to get on the pink soap wagon. I did get on it for a minute with OB after Miami last year, but got off of it just as quickly.
 
Very rare quality article for this day and age!! I'm impressed. I was watching him second guessing Elliott Harrison's Power Rankings yesterday. He gained a point today.
I like the fact that there were actual coaches, GM's and QB's telling the story. This wasn't some BS Skip Clueless or Pete Prisco came up with. This is pretty much straight from the horses mouth.
 
There was chatter on SR610 this morning equating really good QBs in the NFL with astronauts, citing Alan Shepard, John Glenn, Wally Schirra, Gordon Cooper and the like, and drawing parallels between the two professions.

I can see the nerves of steel aspect of the argument, the strong mental aptitude, and the courage, but these QBs don't step out on the field knowing that there's a good chance that they won't step off the field alive. Who knows, though; maybe Aaron Rodgers could have made a good astronaut.

This point is, yes, QBs should be held in high esteem in the sports world, but in the "real" world, they can't hold a candle to Americans who risk their lives in several occupations that I can think of - some of Americans have actually given their lives, and they aren't coming back.

On the flip-side, who the hell knows if Pete Conrad would have been a great NFL QB?
 
So if the college QB's job is getting easier, and the NFL'S QB's job is becoming more difficult what gives? If you were drawing a line graph and you see these two lines becoming further apart over time, at some point something has to give. That can't go on in perpetuity.

Either colleges need to go back to teaching more of a pro-style offense, or NFL's offenses will have to adapt and make things simpler and more like the college game.

I think we're already seeing some of the latter, and very little of the former. I'm a bit of a purist. I want my NFL football to be a cut above the college game. I enjoy college football, but I also enjoy HS football. Yet, I expect the college QB to be at a different level than an average HS kid playing QB. And I want my NFL QB to be more than a read option type guy or some other simplified offense.

In other words, I enjoy the Tom Brady/Payton Manning style. I want to almost be able to see the thought process taking place rather than letting some simple dimple offense based more on a QB's athletism rule the day.

Maybe I'm a lone wolf, but if the NFL adapts the college offenses on a large scale, I will be less inclined to be a huge fan.
 
So if the college QB's job is getting easier, and the NFL'S QB's job is becoming more difficult what gives? If you were drawing a line graph and you see these two lines becoming further apart over time, at some point something has to give. That can't go on in perpetuity.

Either colleges need to go back to teaching more of a pro-style offense, or NFL's offenses will have to adapt and make things simpler and more like the college game.

I think we're already seeing some of the latter, and very little of the former. I'm a bit of a purist. I want my NFL football to be a cut above the college game. I enjoy college football, but I also enjoy HS football. Yet, I expect the college QB to be at a different level than an average HS kid playing QB. And I want my NFL QB to be more than a read option type guy or some other simplified offense.

In other words, I enjoy the Tom Brady/Payton Manning style. I want to almost be able to see the thought process taking place rather than letting some simple dimple offense based more on a QB's athletism rule the day.

Maybe I'm a lone wolf, but if the NFL adapts the college offenses on a large scale, I will be less inclined to be a huge fan.

The problem with the NFL trying to adapt college offenses is that NFL defenses will gobble them up. There is a reason why the read option, like the wildcat and spread, comes in fashion and then goes out of fashion. You might see teams use them from time to time, but not in a pure sense like a college team will do. Read option QBs were all the rage just a few years ago. But, NFL defenses adapted and learned to put a spy on the QB, so now it's just not a viable offense week and week out. Plus, QBs can only rely on running for so long at the pro level. Age wears those legs out, so they had better learn to pass and do all the things required of pro QBs.

Unless you want to change the rules of what NFL defenses are allowed to do, more complex offensive schemes will always be required at the pro level to beat pro level defensive schemes and players.

The inherent problem is that college players are playing for college coaches. These coaches could give a crap about teaching pro skills. Their jobs, and why they are often paid millions, is to win for the colleges. So they are always going to find the path of least resistance. And with the disparity of talent in college, you can run a pure spread, or pure read option, or whatever, because you can beat your opponents with these schemes.

I think we will see pro scouting adapt. They will look for the intelligence and related intangibles instead of just the easy-to-measure qualities. While arm strength and accuracy are still important, clearly having the smarts and ability to quickly process and react to information will be taken into account. We might even see NFL teams sit their rookie QBs more often in order to let them mature and develop the mental skills needed for the position.
 
I agree completely!

I'm not gonna' lie. I'm not an overly optimistic person by nature. I tend to convince myself that I'm a "realist", but that's probably just a pessimist in camo. ;)

That said, I feel a natural optimism about this season that I have not felt in many, many years. I was a bit optimistic during the couple of playoff runs, but it was cautious. I think the way the Texans ended those seasons never had me completely convinced that they were true contenders.

But now, I feel like this defense is legit, and this offense has a lot of potential. I'm looking forward to this season like a kid at Christmas!
I'm with you buddy. I'm 41 years old and like the rest of you suffered through being a Houston pro football fan. Hoyer almost killed me as a fan. Getting Os and addressing our needs offensively has really got me excited and I'm not one to do that generally. I think it is safe to say that this is the deepest and most talented team in Texans history. During my life growing up with the Oilers, this Texans team is the 2nd best talent wise since the 1993 Oilers.
 
I'm with you buddy. I'm 41 years old and like the rest of you suffered through being a Houston pro football fan. Hoyer almost killed me as a fan. Getting Os and addressing our needs offensively has really got me excited and I'm not one to do that generally. I think it is safe to say that this is the deepest and most talented team in Texans history. During my life growing up with the Oilers, this Texans team is the 2nd best talent wise since the 1993 Oilers.

I feel you. But would you rather have David Williams, Doug Dawson, Bruce Matthews, Mike Munchak and Brad Hopkins (even as a rookie) in your O-Line, or this current set of goonies?

How about Andre Hal and Quentin Demps as safties, or Bubba McDowell and Marcus Robertson?

Yeah, I guess that's why you wrote, "2nd Best." By a long ways. Yup. A Superb Owl would cure that.
 
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I feel you. But would you rather have David Williams, Doug Dawson, Bruce Matthews, Mike Munchak and Brad Hopkins (even as a rookie) in your O-Line, or this current set of goonies?

How about Andre Hal and Quentin Demps as safties, or Bubba McDowell and Marcus Robertson?

Yeah, I guess that's why you wrote, "2nd Best." By a long ways. Yup. A Superb Owl would cure that.
Good points. I loved those Oilers teams. That team was so stacked. Just a damn shame they never even made it to an AFC championship game. The 2011 Texans team pre-Schaub injury was pretty salty and on second thought was probably a better team than this one. I really think that team could have been a Super Bowl team with a healthy Schaub.
 
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The problem with the NFL trying to adapt college offenses is that NFL defenses will gobble them up. There is a reason why the read option, like the wildcat and spread, comes in fashion and then goes out of fashion. You might see teams use them from time to time, but not in a pure sense like a college team will do. Read option QBs were all the rage just a few years ago. But, NFL defenses adapted and learned to put a spy on the QB, so now it's just not a viable offense week and week out. Plus, QBs can only rely on running for so long at the pro level. Age wears those legs out, so they had better learn to pass and do all the things required of pro QBs.

Unless you want to change the rules of what NFL defenses are allowed to do, more complex offensive schemes will always be required at the pro level to beat pro level defensive schemes and players.

The inherent problem is that college players are playing for college coaches. These coaches could give a crap about teaching pro skills. Their jobs, and why they are often paid millions, is to win for the colleges. So they are always going to find the path of least resistance. And with the disparity of talent in college, you can run a pure spread, or pure read option, or whatever, because you can beat your opponents with these schemes.

I think we will see pro scouting adapt. They will look for the intelligence and related intangibles instead of just the easy-to-measure qualities. While arm strength and accuracy are still important, clearly having the smarts and ability to quickly process and react to information will be taken into account. We might even see NFL teams sit their rookie QBs more often in order to let them mature and develop the mental skills needed for the position.

Seems to me the NFL may have to start a developmental league to get better QB play.
 
Seems to me the NFL may have to start a developmental league to get better QB play.

I was thinking... each division could pool their practice squad players & play a two/three month season in the off-season. That would be eight teams every team playso every other team over a 8 week season, thetc top four play a two week playoff. Then get ready for OTAs.
 
I was thinking... each division could pool their practice squad players & play a two/three month season in the off-season. That would be eight teams every team playso every other team over a 8 week season, thetc top four play a two week playoff. Then get ready for OTAs.

That would mean dictating who you have on your practice squad, not necessarily who you want... and only 40 man rosters?
 
Problem is college football has turned into nfl money. College coaches making as much if not more than some pro coaches. 100k show up to watch the home team slaughter the innocent lol.

If I'm a college coach I'm trying to dumb things down and get my wins.

Think of Saban
Has he produced a pro qb?
He's the best in college football. He's developed alot of quality players. But he doesn't want his qb blowing it.

I think the defensive minded HC in the pros will go away. Got to get these kids up to speed with an HC who knows how to develop them
 
I axiously await seeing Brock play his first regular season game. It does seem Brock covers a lot of the traits that could make him a great QB.

With that said I fear we could be cursed at the QB position more than any other position on the team. I so badly await seeing if Brock breaks the curse.

I know we may need at least a half dozen games to get a real feel of how good or bad Brock could be .
 
I axiously await seeing Brock play his first regular season game. It does seem Brock covers a lot of the traits that could make him a great QB.

With that said I fear we could be cursed at the QB position more than any other position on the team. I so badly await seeing if Brock breaks the curse.

I know we may need at least a half dozen games to get a real feel of how good or bad Brock could be .

There is no such thing as curses, just chance and luck, sometimes with a mix of incompetence.
 
I feel the same way about our QB situation. Now, I know every thread ends up the same (turning into an o-line discussion) but, it's pretty obvious that this area needs to be addressed. We shouldn't be having this problem when we have Lamar Miller as our Feature Back.
With a piece meal O-line throughout the preseason our O-line gave a solid account of themselves. Not so much run blocking as pass blocking. Still there were moments where the O-line gave qulity run blocks.

I am not overly optimistic in regards to our O-line but I am not too pessimistic either.

I think our O-line will be solid. If they can do that our team could easily win enough games to get a buy week heading into the playoffs.

The guys on the O-line have pride and as the preseason came to a close they all looked solid.

I do not think the O-line will be as bad as most of you.

Give them about three to four weeks to gel and they may be much better than any of us are expecting them to be.
 
With a piece meal O-line throughout the preseason our O-line gave a solid account of themselves. Not so much run blocking as pass blocking. Still there were moments where the O-line gave qulity run blocks.

I am not overly optimistic in regards to our O-line but I am not too pessimistic either.

I think our O-line will be solid. If they can do that our team could easily win enough games to get a buy week heading into the playoffs.

The guys on the O-line have pride and as the preseason came to a close they all looked solid.

I do not think the O-line will be as bad as most of you.

Give them about three to four weeks to gel and they may be much better than any of us are expecting them to be.

They need to stay healthy though and they have the ability to be an avg OL. If they get lucky and Brown comes back and plays at a pro bowl level (doubtful) then the OL can be above avg.
 
There is no such thing as curses, just chance and luck, sometimes with a mix of incompetence.
If there is such a thing as bad luck than there sure as heck is such a thing as a curse.

I just used the word curse as an off the cuff description of what our QB situations have been like. No worse than saying we have had bad luck.

I will say that for the most part front office incompetence is the main reason we have done so badly at the QB position.

As far as you taking me to task over using the word curse. Bad luck can go hand in hand with the word curse.

Long term bad things can be seen as being under a curse or just bad luck or both.

I think the word used is irrelevant. They both more or less are a reflection of one another and not necessarily an either/or description of bad things happening over an extended period of time.
 
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Are the Cowboys playing thier game at the same time and network as our Texan?

If not than there is no reason for me to watch the game via streaming.

I'm pretty sure he was taking a light-hearted jab at you.... you didn't specify Brocks first regular season game "as a Texan" so if you were interested in seeing his first regular season game you could go back and watch his first start for the Bronco's... last year.
 
My bad. I drew a brain fart and did not catch that.
Don't worry :)
sometimes this board can get a bit heavy, I like to lighten the mood with silly posts. We are here to talk about something that should be fun after all, no?

I have been silent this off-season because I was busy work-wise, but now that the regular season is finally here I can't wait for some Texans football.

I wasn't really sure how to feel when I heard about the Brock move, the only thing I can say for now is that it'll be nice to have stability at the QB position.
 
If there is such a thing as bad luck than there sure as heck is such a thing as a curse.

I just used the word curse as an off the cuff description of what our QB situations have been like. No worse than saying we have had bad luck.

I will say that for the most part front office incompetence is the main reason we have done so badly at the QB position.

As far as you taking me to task over using the word curse. Bad luck can go hand in hand with the word curse.

Long term bad things can be seen as being under a curse or just bad luck or both.

I think the word used is irrelevant. They both more or less are a reflection of one another and not necessarily an either/or description of bad things happening over an extended period of time.

Luck is simple probability. "Good" luck is when preparation meets opportunity and increased the probability of success. "Bad" luck is simply probability. Not preparing or seizing opportunities is really what contributes to what people call "bad" luck. Also, no one is taking you to task. Just pointing out that superstition is silly. To the topic, Oz has all the qualities of creating his own luck through preparation and the Texans have given him opportunity with a starting job and new shiny toys on offense. I am excited to see what Oz does and how he creates his own "good" luck.
 
Seems to me the NFL may have to start a developmental league to get better QB play.

I think that's what they were going for with NFL Europe. But, it never was able to financially sustain itself, and, I don't think they were developing enough talent the way that baseball minor leagues do for MLB to justify the financial investment.

MLFB, the semi-pro spring league, might be able to evolve to give the NFL a minor league. I think that's what investors are hoping for in the long run.
 
I think that's what they were going for with NFL Europe. But, it never was able to financially sustain itself, and, I don't think they were developing enough talent the way that baseball minor leagues do for MLB to justify the financial investment.

MLFB, the semi-pro spring league, might be able to evolve to give the NFL a minor league. I think that's what investors are hoping for in the long run.

It needs to be a spring league, the NFL to supply most of the players and a TV contract.
 
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