our QB situation

[thunderkyss]

I'm all for trading down and getting some stud lineman and more draft picks but these numbers do not lie.

Bush averaged an astounding 8.7 yards per carry this past season but only averaged 15.4 carries per contest. Then again, he had 16 rushing touchdowns on those 200 carries, a remarkable rate of a score every 12.5 totes. And these weren’t Jerome Bettis or Mike Alstott touchdown rumbles – Bush averaged 29.3 yards per scoring run.

That is just not human. How about this senario for next season?

Andre wide right - 4.35 speed
Mathis wide left - 4.2 speed
Gaffney lines up as the slot receiver - LIGHTNING
Does Carr?
a. Throw to Andre who is in single coverage.
b. Throw to Bush who is in single coverage.
c. Throw deep to Mathis who is in single coverage.
d. Give the ball to DD on a run, screen or draw.
e. Get sacked because he still has no Left tackle.

The #33 pick can help on option e. Looks pretty good to me and I want to trade the pick. Man.....we are sitting in a pretty good situation this year. I hope we don't screw it up.

There, I fixed it for you. I don't see any reason to add anything other than the Maybe an O-Lineman. With some decent coaching, Carr has the explosiveness he needs on offense. Throw in a recieving tight end, and it gets better.

Therefore, it makes absolutely no sense to spend the #1 draft pick overall, on something we do not need. But if we do use it, let's use it as a plan B, to our biggest question............ is Carr going to take us to the Rose Bowl.... I mean Super Bowl .

I know. we haven't been able to protect Carr enough to be able to truly evaluate his abilities. At the same time, the reality is that we haven't got a good bead on him yet. Last year(2004), the first half anyway, he was pretty awesome. But can he sustain that kind of performance all year long?? two years in a row?? Does it make since to believe David can be like Peyton, who can/will perform year in, year out, allowing the rest of the team to be built around him??

Look, we are building a team. One day, it's going to be a good team. We've got talent at just about every position. It would be really nice, if our QB was ready to lead them. If that's David Carr, great. But I'd hate to realize we need a quarterback after next season, or half way through 2007.

Before you over react, re-read what I said. Let's trade down. But if we are going to use the #1, use it on Vince.

 

[stevo3883]

Dude, if you think VY is going to come into the league with guns blazin, you are dead wrong. He honestly needs another 2-3 yrs before he can start. He may have been a god in H.S. and college, he won't be in this league. At least not right away. I just don't see him doin the same thing right away in the NFL. IMO they will do him more harm starting him right away. He needs to learn how to read defenses, develop his arm some more and learn a totally new system. We are lookin at another 2-3 yrs like it or not.

no i don't think he will come in guns blazing. but stating he will need 3 years before he even sees the field is the most ridiculously absurd thing ive ever seen.

 

[bigTEXan8]

True david had a decent senior year but he never played the kind of talent the big boys play san jose state and the utah aggies dont match up to the ohio states or usc's of the world.

Utah wasn't in the WAC yet when DC was in college. Really, the only big boys they played was WISC, OR ST (who was ranked #1 at the time according to SI) and Colorado. Boise turned out to be a good team. But I do see what you are saying. "Thee" Ohio St. and USC are better, so I'm not argueing with you.

 

[jerek]

VY will not only create a band wagon, but a frickin trainload wagon.... people are ready to buy season tickets if we draft young, i am one and not the only one.

http://media.putfile.com/UT-Trib

thats all and thats is

picking reggie bush is like picking fools gold. don't be a fool.

Last I knew there was an eight-year waiting list for season tickets. ARe you telling me an eight year waiting list dried up since the end of the season? Have you checked more recently, or are you again pulling an assumption out of your ***?

 

[jerek]

There, I fixed it for you. I don't see any reason to add anything other than the Maybe an O-Lineman. With some decent coaching, Carr has the explosiveness he needs on offense. Throw in a recieving tight end, and it gets better.

Therefore, it makes absolutely no sense to spend the #1 draft pick overall, on something we do not need. But if we do use it, let's use it as a plan B, to our biggest question............ is Carr going to take us to the Rose Bowl.... I mean Super Bowl .

I know. we haven't been able to protect Carr enough to be able to truly evaluate his abilities. At the same time, the reality is that we haven't got a good bead on him yet. Last year(2004), the first half anyway, he was pretty awesome. But can he sustain that kind of performance all year long?? two years in a row?? Does it make since to believe David can be like Peyton, who can/will perform year in, year out, allowing the rest of the team to be built around him??

Look, we are building a team. One day, it's going to be a good team. We've got talent at just about every position. It would be really nice, if our QB was ready to lead them. If that's David Carr, great. But I'd hate to realize we need a quarterback after next season, or half way through 2007.

Before you over react, re-read what I said. Let's trade down. But if we are going to use the #1, use it on Vince.

Thunder, I just lambasted you on another post, and what's this? You talking sense? I half agree with you. I am not sold on RB at the #1 spot. I still think he is probably better than VY just because RBBC works more than a QB controversy, but damn. I mean, I understand wanting Vince, there is a hell of a draw to getting the guy. It is just that, apparently like you, I think the team is best served by trading down.

 

[thunderkyss]

Thunder, I just lambasted you on another post, and what's this? You talking sense? I half agree with you. I am not sold on RB at the #1 spot. I still think he is probably better than VY just because RBBC works more than a QB controversy, but damn. I mean, I understand wanting Vince, there is a hell of a draw to getting the guy. It is just that, apparently like you, I think the team is best served by trading down.

Lambasted?? Wait till I find that post....


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[Bubbajwp]

Agreed, good thing pitt didn't wait to put in big ben after 3 yrs.

and no i am not comparing the situations, but when people dogged vince for his throwing. how did he react? he didn't say a word, but came back and the next year LED the NATION in passing efficiency. saying vince needs time to adjust to the nfl speed, is a slap. what? running backs don't need the same time to adjust??? carr didn't have time to sit 2-3 yrs, does not mean vince must have 2-3 yrs.

Actually Big ben didnt start until Tommy Maddox got injured.

 

[Joe Texan]

develop an avg. arm

Charlie said he has all the arm he needs

 

[tsip]

LOL...you guys are a trip...you forgot to mention that VY can make diamonds out of rain drops and skittles out of rainbows. VY will probbaly not even hit the field for another 2-3 yrs. Are we all willing to wait for him to learn to red defenses, develop an avg. arm, and dish out so much money to sign him that we probably will not be able to go after some FA help. Another thing VY on the roster does not make us an automatic contender and yes he might sell some tickets but when the honeymoon is over will the fans keep coming out. You know to see him ride the pine and watch a team that could have improved but instead drafted a homeboy that probably will not get playin time for another 3 yrs., because the fans wanted VY. I don't think so.

...and Carr is going into year 5 and we're still a'waitin (please, spare the excuses, we all know them verbatim)

 

[Koolbrz]

...and Carr is going into year 5 and we're still a'waitin (please, spare the excuses, we all know them verbatim)

Not excuses dude, just the facts. I see where you coming from though. If VY would have come out of college 4 yrs ago we probably would have won a SuperBowl by now. Hell, he might have been league MVP the last 2 yrs. No matter how the rest of the team has performed. VY can do it all. Gimmie a break!!

 

[thunderkyss]

Not excuses dude, just the facts. I see where you coming from though. If VY would have come out of college 4 yrs ago we probably would have won a SuperBowl by now. Hell, he might have been league MVP the last 2 yrs. No matter how the rest of the team has performed. VY can do it all. !!

Finally, somebody gets it.

 

[Koolbrz]

for all the "experts" that think young can't pass....

http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Young-05-Highlights

that doesn't even include what he did to the greatest college team EVER according to more "experts"

when it was 4th down, this GREAT reggie bush was on the sidelines. and then later on another 4th and 5 vince converted.

those that think vince can't take the pounding in the nfl, you must look at his style, he doesn't get hit very often.

A coaching decision kept Bush from being on the field. Bonehead move by the coaches considering he was avg. 6+ yds a carry against the 2nd ranked defense in the nation and you forget to mention that VY was playin the 40th ranked defense in the nation.

 

[Koolbrz]

Agreed, good thing pitt didn't wait to put in big ben after 3 yrs.

and no i am not comparing the situations, but when people dogged vince for his throwing. how did he react? he didn't say a word, but came back and the next year LED the NATION in passing efficiency. saying vince needs time to adjust to the nfl speed, is a slap. what? running backs don't need the same time to adjust??? carr didn't have time to sit 2-3 yrs, does not mean vince must have 2-3 yrs.

Pitt. has an outstanding line. They could have started any top rookie QB and they would have had some kind of success.

 

[thunderkyss]

Bonehead move or not...... if he is the best player on your team, you give him the ball, plain and simple. What is your best option?? Now this Bonehead got that team 1.5 National titles.... Undefeated, 2005........ But in this one instance, with the game on the line, he just up and forgets his best option??


Get over it. Pete went with his best option..... it wasn't Reggie.... IF he had to do it all over again, he probably would.

 

[infantrycak]

we already know carr has NEVER faced a similar situation,

Other than dropping a perfect pass into his WR's hands to win the game and having it dropped, clearly DC has NEVER faced a similar situation. Buy hey, if he had been enough of a leader, Bradford would have caught that pass.

 

[HJam72]

I'm quite certain that Carr could light up USC's defense. Carr plays for a bad team in the NFL, which had one of, if not the, worst coaching staff EVER, not a great TEAM in college. Vince Young is a good QB, but he is being WAY over-hyped and we don't need a QB. If UT's defense was as bad as USC's, Matt Leinhart would be God right now.

 

[Carr Bombed]

not to sound rude or anything, but the sooner yall realize and come to terms were not taking Young, the easier it will be come draft day, although I have a feeling your only posting here, because there WAS a chance Vince would play his pro career here and if thats the case have fun being a Titans fan or whatever team Vince falls to.

 

[HJam72]

That's right. Don't think, just pretend we're all little toddlers on the playground and pick your hero because he played for your favorite team. Sheesh. I don't even think Young is considered the best QB in this draft by most of the people in the 49 other states.

 

[TexanSam]

for all the "experts" that think young can't pass....

http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Young-05-Highlights

that doesn't even include what he did to the greatest college team EVER according to more "experts"

when it was 4th down, this GREAT reggie bush was on the sidelines. and then later on another 4th and 5 vince converted.

those that think vince can't take the pounding in the nfl, you must look at his style, he doesn't get hit very often.


also, if anybody believes the Texans have an 8 yr waiting list for season tickets is on crack. hell, i am on the waiting list, but i won't buy them if young is not on the roster. lastly, i mentioned my friend's sister is a cheerleader. her parents bought season tickets last year after 1 or 2 games. they didn't have to deal with any waiting list.

Bamboo, you don't make a very convincing argument in any of your posts for Vince Young. Now I know I can't change your's or anyone's mind on this because we've all pretty much made up our mind on this issue. It's the Texans call not ours. But I'll give you my opinion anyway.

Bamboo, you're what we call a bandwagon fan. You've admitted it so I won't go on with that. But if Vince Young sucks in the NFL, which there is a chance that can happen believe it or not, and Reggie Bush is having an amazing career with the Texans, I'm pretty sure you'll be back in line for season tickets. Now don't come out saying there's no way Vince Young won't do well in the NFL. He was an amazing college QB. There's been a bunch of amazing college QB's who've done nothing in the NFL.

And as for your comment about Vince not getting hit very often. That's true, he didn't. In college. I remember Mike Vick didn't get hit very often either at Virginia Tech. He's been injured a few times in the NFL, one which made him sit out a season. To say Vince won't get hit in the NFL often is stupid. He's not going to be that fast when he's in his 30's, assuming he plays that long. It's easy to contradict you're argument, but I think you're looking through everything in burnt orange glasses.

 

[Bubbajwp]

for all the "experts" that think young can't pass....

http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Young-05-Highlights

that doesn't even include what he did to the greatest college team EVER according to more "experts"

when it was 4th down, this GREAT reggie bush was on the sidelines. and then later on another 4th and 5 vince converted.

those that think vince can't take the pounding in the nfl, you must look at his style, he doesn't get hit very often.


also, if anybody believes the Texans have an 8 yr waiting list for season tickets is on crack. hell, i am on the waiting list, but i won't buy them if young is not on the roster. lastly, i mentioned my friend's sister is a cheerleader. her parents bought season tickets last year after 1 or 2 games. they didn't have to deal with any waiting list.

A video clip of his highlights doesnt prove he is a good passer. There called highlights for a reason. Key word HIGHLIGHTS.

 

[Koolbrz]

Bonehead move or not...... if he is the best player on your team, you give him the ball, plain and simple. What is your best option?? Now this Bonehead got that team 1.5 National titles.... Undefeated, 2005........ But in this one instance, with the game on the line, he just up and forgets his best option??


Get over it. Pete went with his best option..... it wasn't Reggie.... IF he had to do it all over again, he probably would.

Pete slipped up..I sure as hell did say it. I don't care what he did the last couple of yrs he screwed up by not having Bush in the game for that 4 and 2. Everyone saw it coming. Give the ball to White. Put Reggie on the field and you just don't know what way your going to go so you can't stack your defensive guys up on the line. Like i said the first time BONEHEAD MOVE!!!

 

[Koolbrz]

what bonehead move allowed carr go 2-14 this past year?

if it is 4th and 5 on the 12 yard line, 26 seconds left in the game. do you want bush, carr, or young on your team??? you can only choose one. we already know bush was on the sideline for 4th and 2. we already know carr has NEVER faced a similar situation, and we already know what young did in that situation.

BUT ERASE all that and ask yourself, who would you want on YOUR TEAM??? in that scenario????

who do you want in a crisis??? bush, carr or young?

Oh, i'm sorry Carr went 2-14 all by himself. I thought this was a team game. I guess it did not matter that the defense could not stop anyone in the second half of all there games, that there o-line pretty much sucked, and there coaching staff was the worst ever. You also had your top 2 offensive threats out for almost half the season. I see where you are coming from, it was Carr's decision to go 2-14 and its all his fault. There is no one else to blame. Your funny dude... One more thing 4 and 2 in the playoffs, game on the line who do i go to....................Reggie. Too many ways you can use this guy defenses have to respect that and can't load up the defensive line with there players. He my friend is called a GAMEBREAKER. Remember that okay. Take those burnt orange sun glasses off. Its not good for your health to have them on 24/7.

 

[chuckm]

so who led the nation in passing efficiency?? key word NATION.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&sort=rat&year=2005&group=80

Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State


that's RUDY

 

[infantrycak]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&sort=rat&year=2005&group=80

Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State


that's RUDY

now that's CLASSIC

 

[infantrycak]

classic only because of the rose bowl. after the season, vince led the nation. after the rose bowl and winning the national championship he fell a whole 2 spots. classic is when 2-14 fans, knock a player that has rushed for over 1000 yds and passed for over 3000 yards.

Dude, quit while you are behind. No one knocked VY. You made an assertion and it wasn't correct. Love to see where VY fell in the rankings because of his Rose Bowl performance--got proof?

what did norm chow say about reggie?

Well gee Wilbur I don't know--oh yeah, I was the one who posted that 1st on this MB. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[thunderkyss]

Pete slipped up..I sure as hell did say it. I don't care what he did the last couple of yrs he screwed up by not having Bush in the game for that 4 and 2. Everyone saw it coming. Give the ball to White. Put Reggie on the field and you just don't know what way your going to go so you can't stack your defensive guys up on the line. Like i said the first time BONEHEAD MOVE!!!

Now, let's think about this. If I say David Carr doesn't have the Talent to take the Texans to the SuperBowl, but Dan Reeves says he does, can I use "Dan Reeves screwed up"? I don't care what he did in the past..... he screwed up when he said David Carr can win it all. Everybody knew what Reeves was going to say.... especially when Matt Lienart was the best looking thing in the draft.
Well, since Reeves forgot more football than I've seen, my opinion doesn't mean crap. I can understand how you would just ignore my statements, consider them frivolous babble, me just desperately clinging to my point.


At the same time, if Pete Caroll (a man most would agree knows more about college football than guys like you or me......... hence the 1.5 National Championships) Didn't think Bush offered anything at all on 4 & 2, not as a decoy, not as a blocker, and definitely not as the ball handler, and you say it was a bonehead move, understand I will not give your statement serious thought...... much like your thoughts on my opinion above.

 

[Koolbrz]

Now, let's think about this. If I say David Carr doesn't have the Talent to take the Texans to the SuperBowl, but Dan Reeves says he does, can I use "Dan Reeves screwed up"? I don't care what he did in the past..... he screwed up when he said David Carr can win it all. Everybody knew what Reeves was going to say.... especially when Matt Lienart was the best looking thing in the draft.
Well, since Reeves forgot more football than I've seen, my opinion doesn't mean crap. I can understand how you would just ignore my statements, consider them frivolous babble, me just desperately clinging to my point.


At the same time, if Pete Caroll (a man most would agree knows more about college football than guys like you or me......... hence the 1.5 National Championships) Didn't think Bush offered anything at all on 4 & 2, not as a decoy, not as a blocker, and definitely not as the ball handler, and you say it was a bonehead move, understand I will not give your statement serious thought...... much like your thoughts on my opinion above.

Look all i'm saying is that if you have Bush in the game you can not i repeat can not over look the fact that he is out there. It changes the way you play a team defensively. Am i not correct. Even if you just had him out there as a decoy, it just might have given White enough room to gain the 2 yds that were needed. Of course we will never know. That is why IMO it was a bonehead play. Thats like having TO on your squad. Its 4 and 6 and you must go for it. You bench TO and bring in his back-up. Now do you honestly think that is a smart move? I don't think so.

 

[thunderkyss]

Obviously Pete Carroll doesn't think as highly of Regie Bush, as you do of Terrell Owens...

 

[TexanSam]

At the same time, if Pete Caroll (a man most would agree knows more about college football than guys like you or me......... hence the 1.5 National Championships) Didn't think Bush offered anything at all on 4 & 2, not as a decoy, not as a blocker, and definitely not as the ball handler, and you say it was a bonehead move, understand I will not give your statement serious thought...... much like your thoughts on my opinion above.

Coaches makes blunders also. Dom Capers made a lot of them.

 

[thunderkyss]

Coaches makes blunders also. Dom Capers made a lot of them.

That isn't just a blunder. A blunder would have been to have him on the field, and not get him the ball... To call Lendales number, or a QB sneek.

But to not even be on the field........

 

[Koolbrz]

Obviously Pete Carroll doesn't think as highly of Regie Bush, as you do of Terrell Owens...

TO is a great WR. He just has to much attitude and his head got a lil to big for his own good. Dude can make a really good football team into a SB contender. We all saw that with Philly. Too bad he behaved the way he did this last yr. P. Carroll thought that because White was having a great game, that he would pick up those 2 yds. It did not work...HeHe...costing him the game. Knowing what he knows now, If he could do it all over again, i bet he would more than likely put Bush on the field. Even if he were just a decoy.

 

[Bubbajwp]

number 1 draft picks are on the field when it counts. unless, you are the texans braintrust. then you pick a guy whos college coach has him on the sideline.



but what do weeeeeee internet experts know???

VY was 30-2 as a starter. he is a hometown hero. i want the Texans to draft him , this is a young franchise. i want to root for them with all my heart, but if they select bush, they are bush league. it has been something like 50 yrs since a #1 running back was chosen that took his team to the super bowl.

give me a freakin break from all the aggies that are polluting the Texans. these folk are used to mediocrity. can u blame them? i went to UT i expect the best, if the Texans pass on VY, i will be here not as a fan, but as a fan of the team that selects VY. the team with VY will succeed. mark my words.

Now it all makes sense

 

[Koolbrz]

number 1 draft picks are on the field when it counts. unless, you are the texans braintrust. then you pick a guy whos college coach has him on the sideline.



but what do weeeeeee internet experts know???

VY was 30-2 as a starter. he is a hometown hero. i want the Texans to draft him , this is a young franchise. i want to root for them with all my heart, but if they select bush, they are bush league. it has been something like 50 yrs since a #1 running back was chosen that took his team to the super bowl.

give me a freakin break from all the aggies that are polluting the Texans. these folk are used to mediocrity. can u blame them? i went to UT i expect the best, if the Texans pass on VY, i will be here not as a fan, but as a fan of the team that selects VY. the team with VY will succeed. mark my words.

You will no longer be a fan if we don't draft Young...lol...gimmie a break. A true Texan Fan will support this team regardless of who they pick. Stick with them through the good times as well as the bad. You want to walk if they don't draft VY...C-YA...Don't let the door hit you in the *** on your way out.:brickwall

 

[Wharton]

quoted deleted material

We already have another thread for that subject

Can we close this thread - its gotten to the absurd level?

 

[Carr Bombed]

You will no longer be a fan if we don't draft Young...lol...gimmie a break. A true Texan Fan will support this team regardless of who they pick. Stick with them through the good times as well as the bad. You want to walk if they don't draft VY...C-YA...Don't let the door hit you in the *** on your way out.:brickwall

He's not a Texan fan, He's a Vince Young fan, thats pretty obvious with the Vince is God propaganda and the aggie bashing. Note to bambo or any other person here just because there was a chance we were going to take Vince (or as I like to call them the "Jan. 2006ers", no offense to the new members that joined under unbiased terms) This is the pro game and not college football so all the Aggie comments holds no water. This is pro football and not the big twelve. This is pro football where QBs have to stand tall in the pocket and take snaps from under center.

I am also a UT fan and root for Vince and wish him all the success in the world, but if drafting him means we have to endure countless Vince is God threads or a flood of bandwagoners like this one, I vote to pass. That is what upsets me the most I loved the rosebowl, but now I can't even enjoy it, because people have to jump on this board with all their "draft vince or armageddon" threads. Like some big burnt orange comet is going to take out houston if we don't draft Vince.

Thank you Jan 2006ers, thank you for taking one of my most beloved sports memories and flushing it down the drain. Thank you for making me wish we never won that game.

Vince isn't even the #1 prospect at his position, so how in the hell could he be considered the #1 ovrl. pick. Oh yeah I forgot this is Texas and he's the "Home town Hero"

 

[Koolbrz]

He's not a Texan fan, He's a Vince Young fan, thats pretty obvious with the Vince is God propaganda and the aggie bashing. Note to bambo or any other person here just because there was a chance we were going to take Vince (or I like to call them the "Jan. 2006ers", no offense to the new members that joined under unbiased terms) This is the pro game and not college football so all the Aggie comments holds no water. This is pro football and not the big twelve. This is pro football where QBs have to stand tall in the pocket and take snaps from under center.

I am also a UT fan and root for Vince and wish him all the success in the world, but if drafting him means we have to endure countless Vince is God threads or a flood of bandwagoners like this one, I vote to pass. That is what upsets me the most I loved the rosebowl, but now I can't even enjoy it, because people have to jump on this board with all their "draft vince or armageddon" threads. Like some big burnt orange comet is going to take out houston if we don't draft Vince.

Thank you Jan 2006ers, thank you for taking one of my most beloved sports memories and flushing it down the drain. Thank you for making me wish we never won that game.

Vince isn't even the #1 prospect at his position, so how and the hell could he be considered the #1 ovrl. pick. Oh yeah I forgot this is Texas and he's the "Home town Hero"

Nicely said, Carr Bomb

 

[tsip]

He's not a Texan fan, He's a Vince Young fan, thats pretty obvious with the Vince is God propaganda and the aggie bashing. Note to bambo or any other person here just because there was a chance we were going to take Vince (or as I like to call them the "Jan. 2006ers", no offense to the new members that joined under unbiased terms) This is the pro game and not college football so all the Aggie comments holds no water. This is pro football and not the big twelve. This is pro football where QBs have to stand tall in the pocket and take snaps from under center.

I am also a UT fan and root for Vince and wish him all the success in the world, but if drafting him means we have to endure countless Vince is God threads or a flood of bandwagoners like this one, I vote to pass. That is what upsets me the most I loved the rosebowl, but now I can't even enjoy it, because people have to jump on this board with all their "draft vince or armageddon" threads. Like some big burnt orange comet is going to take out houston if we don't draft Vince.

Thank you Jan 2006ers, thank you for taking one of my most beloved sports memories and flushing it down the drain. Thank you for making me wish we never won that game.

Vince isn't even the #1 prospect at his position, so how in the hell could he be considered the #1 ovrl. pick. Oh yeah I forgot this is Texas and he's the "Home town Hero"

...bet you'd be suprised if you took a count of the Carr/Bush lover posts vs Young backers and who keeps opening up these 'tire tread' threads anyway?

 

[Carr Bombed]

...bet you'd be suprised if you took a count of the Carr/Bush lover posts vs Young backers and who keeps opening up these 'tire tread' threads anyway?

Since the rosebowl there hasn't been a draft "Carr,Bush or die crowd" so no. Vince is a outstanding athlete, being a die hard UT fan I recognize that.

However having said that, coming in to this draft Young is a project at best. He has great upside, but since we hold the #1 pick in the draft and if there truly is any arguments whether he should take a QB and look for a replacement for Carr, Lienart as well as Cutler should be included in the argument.

I also find all the "Young is a winner" and "Young is a leader" comments funny, because the same arguments could be said about Lienart and bush. Lienart has a BETTER record than Young and ran a pro style offense and both have a better record than young.

Every other state outside of texas has us grabbing Young at a REACH and all have us grabbing bush or trading down. Us bypassing every other prospect just because Young is a "HOME TOWN HERO" is absolutely rediculous. I hope the Texans front office feels the same way.

Look I appreciate everything Young did for Texas, but I'm tired of people acting like if and its a big IF, we draft him he is going to come in and be a savior, its not going to happen and if he did happen to come here he would have to face the same problems as Carr, as in a lack in offensive weapons, lack in protection, and a lack in a solid defense on the other sid of the ball.

People like to say that Vince single handedly won the national title, but thats not true. I can't even remember how many 3rd down cathes Thomas caught for him and how many big plays his defense came up with for him. With being drafted high in the draft, he isn't going to be going to that kinda team, people need to get real.

 

[stevo3883]

Dude, quit while you are behind. No one knocked VY. You made an assertion and it wasn't correct. Love to see where VY fell in the rankings because of his Rose Bowl performance--got proof?

He finished the season 1st, but was passed after the rose bowl because rudy carpernter didn't play the whole season. carpenter only got enough attempts to qualify after the bowl game.

 

[stevo3883]

Since the rosebowl there hasn't been a draft "Carr,Bush or die crowd" so no. Vince is a outstanding athlete, being a die hard UT fan I recognize that. yes there has... pretty much every aggy on the board spends every day degrading VY

However having said that, coming in to this draft Young is a project at best. He has great upside, but since we hold the #1 pick in the draft and if there truly is any arguments whether he should take a QB and look for a replacement for Carr, Lienart as well as Cutler should be included in the argument. a project at best? at best he comes in and wins the super bowl next year. perhaps you meant worst case hes a project

I also find all the "Young is a winner" and "Young is a leader" comments funny, because the same arguments could be said about Lienart and bush. Lienart has a BETTER record than Young and ran a pro style offense and both have a better record than young. 37-2 versus 30-2. had vy stayed his senior year he wouldve no doubt passed leinart. after their jr years vy has a 30-2 to leinarts 25-1

Every other state outside of texas has us grabbing Young at a REACH and all have us grabbing bush or trading down. Us bypassing every other prospect just because Young is a "HOME TOWN HERO" is absolutely rediculous. I hope the Texans front office feels the same way.yeah, thats the only reason we would pick young..

Look I appreciate everything Young did for Texas, but I'm tired of people acting like if and its a big IF, we draft him he is going to come in and be a savior, its not going to happen and if he did happen to come here he would have to face the same problems as Carr, as in a lack in offensive weapons, lack in protection, and a lack in a solid defense on the other sid of the ball.

People like to say that Vince single handedly won the national title, but thats not true. I can't even remember how many 3rd down cathes Thomas caught for him and how many big plays his defense came up with for him. Being drafted high in the draft he isn't going to be going to that kinda team, people need to get real.lets put it this way, any other qb playing for texas and they lose by at least 2 td's that game.

tsk

 

[BuffSoldier]

Dude, quit while you are behind. No one knocked VY. You made an assertion and it wasn't correct. Love to see where VY fell in the rankings because of his Rose Bowl performance--got proof?

I dont want VY, just for the record, but prior to the Rose Bowl, VY did have the #1 passer rating in the nation. I guess it fell becuase he didnt throw a TD in the game. But yeah VY was the leader prior to the roswe bowl, but I dont have proof either.

 

[tsip]

Since the rosebowl there hasn't been a draft "Carr,Bush or die crowd" so no. Vince is a outstanding athlete, being a die hard UT fan I recognize that.

However having said that, coming in to this draft Young is a project at best. He has great upside, but since we hold the #1 pick in the draft and if there truly is any arguments whether he should take a QB and look for a replacement for Carr, Lienart as well as Cutler should be included in the argument.

I also find all the "Young is a winner" and "Young is a leader" comments funny, because the same arguments could be said about Lienart and bush. Lienart has a BETTER record than Young and ran a pro style offense and both have a better record than young.

Every other state outside of texas has us grabbing Young at a REACH and all have us grabbing bush or trading down. Us bypassing every other prospect just because Young is a "HOME TOWN HERO" is absolutely rediculous. I hope the Texans front office feels the same way.

Look I appreciate everything Young did for Texas, but I'm tired of people acting like if and its a big IF, we draft him he is going to come in and be a savior, its not going to happen and if he did happen to come here he would have to face the same problems as Carr, as in a lack in offensive weapons, lack in protection, and a lack in a solid defense on the other sid of the ball.

People like to say that Vince single handedly won the national title, but thats not true. I can't even remember how many 3rd down cathes Thomas caught for him and how many big plays his defense came up with for him. With being drafted high in the draft, he isn't going to be going to that kinda team, people need to get real.

...at least get your facts straight---Young and Leinart each had 2 losses and UT also ran a pro type offense (big story about it in the Austin-American today)...and,remember, this is a forum

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

...at least get your facts straight---Young and Leinart each had 2 losses and UT also ran a pro type offense (big story about it in the Austin-American today)...and,remember, this is a forum

I disagree. A running QB is not a pro-style offense. He can't even take snaps from under center. He has to rely on the shotgun formation. While the shotgun formation is pro-style, a running QB is not, period. Vince Dumb is at the most a project QB who will not even start his first season in the NFL. If you are such a UT fan, aren't you PO'd he left your school BEFORE getting an education? I would feel used and betrayed.

I don't care who we draft, as long as it is a needs draft and not this UT fan favorite crap. If I thought for 1 minute we were going to draft a QB, I would be pulling for Matt Leinart to be the one, not VY.

So please, like so many before me, GIVE US REAL TEXAN FANS A BREAK....

 

[stevo3883]

So please, like so many before me, GIVE US REAL AGGY FANS A BREAK....

fixed

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

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Not hardly. I have never seen an Aggies game live, but did see a Texas game, the Big Conference Championship with Colorado. So please don't edit my words and try and make them sound like something else. I have backed every school in Texas, from the days of Eric at SMU to Bucky at A&M to Vince at UT. But do not fall into a cat that says this school sports is better than that school. I am first and foremost a Houston Texans fan and as long as we do not mess this draft up by selecting Vince we are OK. But even if we did mess up and do that, I am still a TEXAN'S FAN FIRST...

 

[Carr Bombed]

...at least get your facts straight---Young and Leinart each had 2 losses and UT also ran a pro type offense (big story about it in the Austin-American today)...and,remember, this is a forum

Umm....the spread Offense is not a pro style offense, go ask alex smith how its working for him. I don't have the energy to bring up the dozens of articles on the type of offense Vince ran, but I will if you want to force this issue. Vince didn''t run a pro offense. When he started to QB Texas they had a pro offense, but they had to change it to fit his style. Also I know this is a forum, which is why I'm able to post these arguments about Young and its the reason why I'm able to bring up the argument that if we are looking for a replacement at QB then why aren't Lienart and Cutler brought into the discusion.....hmm....I wonder why, could the fact that they didn't play for Texas be brought into the discusion.

 

[Tulip]

He can't even take snaps from under center. He has to rely on the shotgun formation. .

"Didn't" isn't the same thing as "can't". And "didn't" isn't really that accurate either.

 

[infantrycak]

I dont want VY, just for the record, but prior to the Rose Bowl, VY did have the #1 passer rating in the nation. I guess it fell becuase he didnt throw a TD in the game. But yeah VY was the leader prior to the roswe bowl, but I dont have proof either.

I hear ya, but really, did his passer rating fall 10 points after one of the greatest games ever? Seems hard to believe even without a TD. The leader has better stats in every category (not saying he is a better NFL QB) but it is easy to see how his rating is higher.

 

[tsip]

Umm....the spread Offense is not a pro style offense, go ask alex smith how its working for him. I don't have the energy to bring up the dozens of articles on the type of offense Vince ran, but I will if you want to force this issue. Vince didn''t run a pro offense. When he started to QB Texas they had a pro offense, but they had to change it to fit his style. Also I know this is a forum, which is why I'm able to post these arguments about Young and its the reason why I'm able to bring up the argument that if we are looking for a replacement at QB then why aren't Lienart and Cutler brought into the discusion.....hmm....I wonder why, could the fact that they didn't play for Texas be brought into the discusion.

First, I don't care where our players went to school--just expect them to get results, not excuses. Second, I've never said I wanted VY. However, I do not believe that Carr is the answer--saying this, however, I expect the team to get him whatever and everything he needs so that he can produce on the field. IMO, it is 'mind boggling' that we are talking about what Carr 'can do' instead of what he 'has done' going into year 5. Finally, where did you go to school?

 

[infantrycak]

silly mack brown thinks vince led the nation too. i better send him that espn link.

http://msn.foxsports.com/regional/southwest

in the video, he references his passing efficiency.

So Mack Brown is now a national stats keeper? Get a grip. Obviously folks were saying that in reference to the "major" QB's, senior QB's, QB's in BCS bowls or something but Carpenter actually had the best passer efficiency rating. It's pretty easy to see he does since his completion percentage is higher, his yards per attempt are higher, his TD's/attempt are equal and his INT's/attempt are much better. That doesn't make VY any worse a QB just because he can't claim the overall PE title.

Here is Foxsports with the same ratings.