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our QB situation

Hookem Horns said:
Not to bring Young down? Umm, that is not what you are trying to do? I don't know which 39th defense you are referring to, however how does your argument hold any weight when he threw TD passes against a great Ohio State defense? The last one, threaded the needle in the clutch, to win the game.

If he DOES struggle against poor defenses, then we should have nothing to fear when he comes in here in Bud Duds (Titans uni), because our defense is pretty darn poor.

BTW folks, if the VY highlights gets you worked up, then STOP watching them. You are only going to p*ss yourself off when the Texans call out the name Bush on draft day. Face it, that is who they are taking whether we like it or not. Just take a few minutes and stare at my avatar. Better suck it up and get used to it now.

This is going to be one of those occasions where I pray I am wrong (as far as which direction I think the team should go) and those in charge of the Texans either know what they are doing or get lucky.
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Ah ... the sweet, sweet sound of a poster who has accepted the inevitable.

Still taking those bets, if anyone feels like it.
 
Paul Pinegar of Fresno State looked good against USC, so that doesn't really prove anything about VY. VY beat up and a BIG 12 that had a down year, still doesn't prove anything. One of the reasons Carr was selected by the Texans was because he beat up on several teams too. I just think it's wiser to sure up the o-line and the D.
 
TexanSam said:
And do you think Vince Young will make those types of plays on a constistent basis in the NFL? He may turn out to be a great player, but he's not going to be anywhere near as exciting in the NFL as in college. He was a man among boys in college. Not so in the NFL.

And this comment is just to anyone who has this opinion. Some people say Vince Young will change the game. Here's this comment from Ron Jaworski to Peter King in Sports Illustrated. "I keep hearing how Vince Young's going to change the game. Well, the NFL's been around for over 80 years, and no single player has changed the game.'' I don't think Vince Young will redefine the QB position. He might be a good QB, but I don't think he's going to be the Lawrence Taylor of QB's.
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Well, you may be right, but I bet Vince makes more big plays his rookie year then David Carr will make in his fifth.
 
Wharton said:
Well, you may be right, but I bet Vince makes more big plays his rookie year then David Carr will make in his fifth.
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...and I have 50 bucks says VY doesn't even play his rookie year.
 
TexanSam said:
Here's this comment from Ron Jaworski to Peter King in Sports Illustrated. "I keep hearing how Vince Young's going to change the game. Well, the NFL's been around for over 80 years, and no single player has changed the game.''
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Johnny Unitas changed the game by redefining the position of QB. I'm surprised and disappointed in Jaws that he didn't recognize this fact of NFL history (especially being a QB himself!). When Unitas passed away, every modern QB credited him with changing the way QBs play the game from that point forward. [He was the first quarterback to throw for more than 40,000 yards, despite playing during an era when NFL teams played shorter seasons of 12 or 14 games, as opposed to the 16 game seasons that are played today. He also threw a touchdown pass in 47 consecutive games between 1956 and 1960, a record that still stands today.]
 
Double Barrel said:
Johnny Unitas changed the game by redefining the position of QB. I'm surprised and disappointed in Jaws that he didn't recognize this fact of NFL history (especially being a QB himself!). When Unitas passed away, every modern QB credited him with changing the way QBs play the game from that point forward. [He was the first quarterback to throw for more than 40,000 yards, despite playing during an era when NFL teams played shorter seasons of 12 or 14 games, as opposed to the 16 game seasons that are played today. He also threw a touchdown pass in 47 consecutive games between 1956 and 1960, a record that still stands today.]
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Well, I think it's what your definition of changing the game means. Mike Vick and VY could redefine the way the QB position will being played, but I don't think that they can change the game. To me, to change the game means to have the NFL create rules, stipulations, etc., that way one player can't dominate the game. I wonder if that's what Jaws was saying.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
Well, I think it's what your definition of changing the game means. Mike Vick and VY could redefine the way the QB position will being played, but I don't think that they can change the game. To me, to change the game means to have the NFL create rules, stipulations, etc., that way one player can't dominate the game. I wonder if that's what Jaws was saying.
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Perhaps, but his reply is in response to VY projections, and I've not heard anyone really say that Young with redefine the game. If Jaws is hearing that, then he needs to listen to different analysts, IMO.

It is a matter of perspective on how you take his words, though. He could have been talking from that particular pov, so I'll cut him some slack on that one (only because I like him as an analyst on NFL Live ;)).

Nobody will be a Michael Jordan of the NFL, though, and he didn't really change the fundamental rules of basketball, either. I'm not sure of any real-world example of one player changing the basic foundation of a team sport in recent memory.
 
Double Barrel said:
Perhaps, but his reply is in response to VY projections, and I've not heard anyone really say that Young with redefine the game. If Jaws is hearing that, then he needs to listen to different analysts, IMO.

It is a matter of perspective on how you take his words, though. He could have been talking from that particular pov, so I'll cut him some slack on that one (only because I like him as an analyst on NFL Live ;)).

Nobody will be a Michael Jordan of the NFL, though, and he didn't really change the fundamental rules of basketball, either. I'm not sure of any real-world example of one player changing the basic foundation of a team sport in recent memory.
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I forget his name, Mika or something, but he played basketball, this of course was during the 50s, but they established the 3-second rule because of him, posession time, etc. Shaq paid for his funeral. Not important...another sport, another topic. Just ignore me...Ha!!
 
Entire offenses schemed to stop Lawrence Taylor - period. He didn't change 'the game' but he changed 'the GAME' that he was playing in that Sunday. I'm not advocating drafting VY but Jim Brown, LT, Deion Sanders changed the game each Sunday.

In a way, Jaws is right. VY will have no impact in Washington's redzone against Dallas if he's playing against Indy for the Titans...
 
bigTEXan8 said:
Sweet. $50 Mexican dollars that VY doesn't play...hahahahahaha...sucker!
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Whoa ..... BigTex, what are you doing? If nothing else, Vince will get garbage time minutes. Unless you know he is set to die or retire sometime before August, better qualify your bet there, buddy ...

Even if they are Mexican dollars ... that's a burrito and a margarita there buddy!
 
Double Barrel said:
Perhaps, but his reply is in response to VY projections, and I've not heard anyone really say that Young with redefine the game. If Jaws is hearing that, then he needs to listen to different analysts, IMO.

It is a matter of perspective on how you take his words, though. He could have been talking from that particular pov, so I'll cut him some slack on that one (only because I like him as an analyst on NFL Live ;)).

Nobody will be a Michael Jordan of the NFL, though, and he didn't really change the fundamental rules of basketball, either. I'm not sure of any real-world example of one player changing the basic foundation of a team sport in recent memory.
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Maybe not the basic foundation of the game, but Magic Johnson redefined the entire idea of what a point guard could be in the NBA. 6'8, could run the floor, and court vision like that is still unreal. Even LeBron has a long way to go before putting him in that category...

A guy who did change the foundation of the game was Wilt tho (not too recent, not real old. He was the reason for three in the key and offensive goaltending wasn't even thought of before him...

As far as football goes, you have to go with LT again.
 
jerek said:
Whoa ..... BigTex, what are you doing? If nothing else, Vince will get garbage time minutes. Unless you know he is set to die or retire sometime before August, better qualify your bet there, buddy ...

Even if they are Mexican dollars ... that's a burrito and a margarita there buddy!
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...or just two margaritas. That's true about the garbage time...didn't think of that. I guess I have to call the bet.
 
Bamboo said:
how long has college football been around? OVER 100 YEARS. and in that time NOBODY, NOBODY, NOBODY, has passed for 3000 yds and run for 1000 yds. EXCEPT YOUNG.

don't give me a weak jowarski info when he didn't do what Young did.

Young will be greater than any football player you have EVER seen, not bush, hell he couldn't turn the corner on the Texas D.

young is the man for us and for the nfl future. accept it or settle with a non-important carr.
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You've got your opinion. I've got mine. I don't think Vince Young will even be the best QB to come out of this draft 10 years down the line. He's not going to run in the NFL like he did in college. He's going to have to learn to stay back in the pocket. We'll see if he can or not. He's also going to learn how to read defenses. And play with players faster than he ever saw in college.

My question to you Bamboo, chances are Young won't be drafted by the Texans. What is your reaction going to be when we draft Bush on draft day?
 
Bamboo said:
VY is a shot in the arm for a local team to choose a local hero. just like when the rockets had hakeem and clyde and the oilers had earl.
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The Astros and Roger Clemens or the Ryan Express.

It's obvious that drafting VY reforms the outlook of this team from a public perception standpoint. But it's not necessarily the right reason for making the choice. You have to be convinced that he's going to be astonishingly successful as a QB as well.
 
stevo3883 said:
bob gibson
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A phenomenal Hall of Famer, without a doubt. But did he change the face of the game? Baseball, with a few minor changes, has remained pretty much the same game for a long, long time.

When I hear the term "change the game", I think of a situation like Tiger Woods and the way he makes courses actual plan around his play. "Tiger-proofing" is the term I hear all the time. But golf is not a team sport.

The team sports don't seem to really reflect that kind of fundamental change from one player.

There have been a couple of examples with basketball, and these players did alter the game with some rule changes. Perhaps that's changing the game in some aspects.

But Unitas changed the way QBs were utilized and changed the attitude of the NFL from a predominantly running league to one that created offensive schemes for the passing game. His abilities, from passing, to running and scrambling, to having veins of ice that let coaches realize that games could be won at the end by relying on the QB's arm were epic. Perhaps "change the game" is too strong, but he definitely changed the position of QB (which in itself, has changed the face of the NFL from it's 1950's form to what we have today).

Could VY be that kind of player? Who knows. Anything is possible. But he'd have to rise above even the great potential he has now to do things that are basically unheard of, and it would be great for football if he did it.

Although, I must admit that since we probably won't have him on our team, I won't be rooting for him to do it. ;)
 
gibson's 1968 season was the best in history and was the final contributor towards the mlb moving the mound back 5 inches to give the hitters a better chance.
 
stevo3883 said:
gibson's 1968 season was the best in history and was the final contributor towards the mlb moving the mound back 5 inches to give the hitters a better chance.
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aahhh, gotcha'. That's a pretty significant change, too. Did that result in lowering the mound, too?

Thanks for the info! Always appreciate learning something new everyday. :)
 
Bamboo said:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2006-02-21-huff-qa_x.htm

this guy just faced 2 heisman winners and as a not knowing expert picked young.

put yourself on an elementary school blacktop, ready to select your team.... you have all as your choices, do you pass on Young and select bush or leinart???? if you do, game over, you lose. because i will select young and will thread your D like no end. look at the stats young produced in drives led to scores, look at how many pts. this guy managed and led. this guy is GREAT, bush is so so. or in spanish, asi asi.
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Correction UT's defense faced 2 heisman winners and did pretty good.
VY faced a decent USC defense and played amazing.
 
Bamboo said:
i have been looking for a reason to embrace the Texans. my best friend has a sister that is a cheerleader, so i went to many of the games. going 2-14 is not winning fans over, neither has the ability to not draft very well as a franchise.
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Hmmmm....interesting. :idea: Just playin'.
 
I love watching Vince Young, because he does NOT scramble like Vick or others--he's in total control, upright and super-poised. This is because he sees the whole field and sees things developing BEFORE they develop.

But if the Texans let him go and trade down--because good RBs are a dime a dozen in the 4th round and later--he may very well become a star elsewhere and then come home just as Carr's time is winding down.:drool:
 
Bamboo said:
i have been looking for a reason to embrace the Texans. my best friend has a sister that is a cheerleader, so i went to many of the games. going 2-14 is not winning fans over, neither has the ability to not draft very well as a franchise.

hell, i would love it if they succeed, but if they do not, i am more inclined to root for the team that does choose vince young (went to north shore, hightower, katy and several other of his h.s. games and i went to UT, so i went to ohio st. and both rose bowl games).

sure let the door hit me, but why should i root for an organization that is passing on probably one of the best college players EVER. guys like corso, mandell, current nfl players, and many other "experts" see the talent of young. bush will be greeted by a lot of boooo birds and will be under the microscope, so will carr. i don't think agree with that booing, but i fear it will happen. just like if vince kicks *** (and i think he will) it will be more of the "what are you *****s thinking by passing on him"

VY is a shot in the arm for a local team to choose a local hero. just like when the rockets had hakeem and clyde and the oilers had earl.
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Let's say Reggie Bush turns out to be a great back also though. Phenomenal even. You think Vince Young will be a great QB. I think Reggie Bush will be a great RB (and the player that will help the Texans more, but that's my opinion). If both turn out to be great, and the Texans do just fine without Young, then fans won't care. Yes, Vince Young will help improve our perception in Texas, and sell seats at Reliant, his first couple years. But if Vince Young starts sucking, people aren't gonna care. Winning sells seats, not individual players.
 
TexanSam said:
Let's say Reggie Bush turns out to be a great back also though. Phenomenal even. You think Vince Young will be a great QB. I think Reggie Bush will be a great RB (and the player that will help the Texans more, but that's my opinion). If both turn out to be great, and the Texans do just fine without Young, then fans won't care. Yes, Vince Young will help improve our perception in Texas, and sell seats at Reliant, his first couple years. But if Vince Young starts sucking, people aren't gonna care. Winning sells seats, not individual players.
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The same can be said for Bush too. As a matter of fact the same can be said for any player that plays a key position.

Bottom line, whatever we do with the pick, that poor person (or persons if we trade or trade down) will be raked ver the coals if he puts his shoes on the wrong feet. We bang on Babin alot but most of it I'm sure is because we sold the farm for him. If we'd drafted him in the 2nd with our original pick then IMHO we wouldn't have such high expectations. Just the normal progression you'd expect out of a 2nd rd guy that came out of a small school that switched positions and got the starting job at that position.
 
texansam,
thats not all true about individual dont sell seats... Some guy named Roger Clemens.... sells them all the time... Heck the day he signed the Astros had to hire additional staff to take all the phone calls for season tickets... Why do you think the Texans keep extending there season ticket deadline...Gee I wonder why... That should tell you how much people believe in DC...:ok:
 
expwrlifter said:
texansam,
thats not all true about individual dont sell seats... Some guy named Roger Clemens.... sells them all the time... Heck the day he signed the Astros had to hire additional staff to take all the phone calls for season tickets... Why do you think the Texans keep extending there season ticket deadline...Gee I wonder why... That should tell you how much people believe in DC...:ok:
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Please explain, are they extending it cuz it seems as though from a season tix sales standpoint that they may be drafting Young?

I heard that they are wanting 50% up front this year as opposed to the normal 10%. That 50% is due before the draft (unless it has changed). That would lead one to believe from a season tix sales standpoint that they may be leaning towards Bush. The mail went out before they extended Carr his 3 year option.

So if you look at it from that angle, they're drafting Bush, unless something has changed in the deadline for monies collected.
 
from what i gathered they were extending the deadline to get people to sign up for the priority list. They even have an ad in the chronicle for it... its funny to me that they are hurting for sales .. that should tell someone in the FO that they dont believe in the personel they have now... I would like to know when the deadline is now... I live in Dallas so I dont get to hear everything only what I hear and see..

If they do get Bush that may be the reason they keep dangling the VY maybe rumor to help keep fans... thats funny to because all the diehard DC fans are like fine ... leave we dont need you... intresting that the FO thinks they do... why else would they extend the deadline and ask for more upfront...makes you think thats for sure...
 
expwrlifter said:
from what i gathered they were extending the deadline to get people to sign up for the priority list. They even have an ad in the chronicle for it... its funny to me that they are hurting for sales .. that should tell someone in the FO that they dont believe in the personel they have now... I would like to know when the deadline is now... I live in Dallas so I dont get to hear everything only what I hear and see..

If they do get Bush that may be the reason they keep dangling the VY maybe rumor to help keep fans... thats funny to because all the diehard DC fans are like fine ... leave we dont need you... intresting that the FO thinks they do... why else would they extend the deadline and ask for more upfront...makes you think thats for sure...
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I don't know if Dallas has enough to offer to move up to 3rd or 4th but it would be cool if VY could stay in state. If not though, NYJ would be cool too with the NYC media coverage we would get a steady stream of him all the time, as long as they're winning.
 
expwrlifter said:
from what i gathered they were extending the deadline to get people to sign up for the priority list. They even have an ad in the chronicle for it... its funny to me that they are hurting for sales .. that should tell someone in the FO that they dont believe in the personel they have now... I would like to know when the deadline is now... I live in Dallas so I dont get to hear everything only what I hear and see..

If they do get Bush that may be the reason they keep dangling the VY maybe rumor to help keep fans... thats funny to because all the diehard DC fans are like fine ... leave we dont need you... intresting that the FO thinks they do... why else would they extend the deadline and ask for more upfront...makes you think thats for sure...
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VY will initially sell tickets for sure, but people need to quit arguing for the guy on that basis. If Vince Young comes here and we go 2-14 next year, we are going to be looking at a lot of empty seats in Reliant. We could draft Bud Adams to play QB and if we go 13-3, Texans tickets are once again going to be the hottest commodity in town.

Of course, there is nothing saying we don't draft Vince and go 8-8. Likewise, there is nothing saying we don't go 8-8 while Vince starts for the Jets next year. My point is: a burst in ticket sales should not be involved in argument for or against drafting a guy, because if our management isn't focused singularly on winning, then that burst will be exactly that: a burst. Winning sells tickets. Losing doesn't.

Astros tickets are going to be hot like fire next year because we went to the World Series, regardless if Clemens throws another pitch for us. Point made?
 
I hear you. I am leaning more towards Reggie, especially if we are getting some of the stud lineman in FA.
 
Bamboo said:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2006-02-21-huff-qa_x.htm

this guy just faced 2 heisman winners and as a not knowing expert picked young.

put yourself on an elementary school blacktop, ready to select your team.... you have all as your choices, do you pass on Young and select bush or leinart???? if you do, game over, you lose. because i will select young and will thread your D like no end. look at the stats young produced in drives led to scores, look at how many pts. this guy managed and led. this guy is GREAT, bush is so so. or in spanish, asi asi.
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A Longhorn pumping his own teammate. Unthinkable. This changes everything. Draft Vince immediately. Or as we say in spanish, no quiero Vince.
 
jerek,
you need to read some more info... the ticket sales are not going fast for the astros especially when they didnt offer arbitration for the ROCKET... and mark my words if he does come back MAY 1st it wont take a rocket scientist to figure out what will happen then... let me help you out.. additional hires for season tickets again..

And to answer all the reason to pick him because of Tickets ...didnt say that was a reason but its funny to me that the FO keeps extending the deadline.. its like they are afraid the fan base will turn on them if they dont make the VY pick...
 
expwrlifter said:
but its funny to me that the FO keeps extending the deadline.. its like they are afraid the fan base will turn on them if they dont make the VY pick...
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Or it is like they went 2-14 last year.
 
expwrlifter said:
And to answer all the reason to pick him because of Tickets ...didnt say that was a reason but its funny to me that the FO keeps extending the deadline.. its like they are afraid the fan base will turn on them if they dont make the VY pick...
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I doubt they are afraid that the fanbase will turn on them, especially if the Texans start winning regularly. Will a good portion of fans be upset with not picking VY, yeah, but winning is bigger than any player, and it really seems like with a lot of these VY fans, he's bigger than winning.
 
expwrlifter said:
jerek,
you need to read some more info... the ticket sales are not going fast for the astros especially when they didnt offer arbitration for the ROCKET... and mark my words if he does come back MAY 1st it wont take a rocket scientist to figure out what will happen then... let me help you out.. additional hires for season tickets again..

And to answer all the reason to pick him because of Tickets ...didnt say that was a reason but its funny to me that the FO keeps extending the deadline.. its like they are afraid the fan base will turn on them if they dont make the VY pick...
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I don't have data on this year's sales, and I would be interested to know what data you have access to. Not saying you are wrong, but since you seem to have more information than I do, would appreciate the look.

I was simply referring to the general sports trend: winners sell, losers don't. Countless highly successful sports franchises sell out game after game without a "hometown" player on their roster. Players become popular, become icons, when they win. Tom Brady was an unheralded nobody when New England drafted him, and he's nothing less than a national celebrity now, to say nothing of his status in Boston.

The "draft for tickets" argument is not invalid, but the problem is that it can be contrary to "draft to win." Because it provides the wrong skew towards evaluating football talent, no franchise is going to seriously consider a player's "popularity" whenever that attribute is a potential factor in fanbase reception, and I am getting tired of hearing pro-Vince arguments because the front office is supposed to be concerned with bringing a popular guy in. This isn't a comedy club, this isn't a circus, this is a football team, and while it is an elevated form of "entertainment" which must be concerned with what the buyer wants, buyers ultimately want winning. That is sport. For all of those loud but minority voices threatening to rescind their support of the team if we don't draft Vince, winning will quickly replace those lost ticket sales. If we draft Vince and continue to lose, two years later, no one will care. If we aren't drafting to replace Vince, we are still drafting to rebuild a franchise and restore fanbase.

Few if any wildly successful figures in the history of sport were drafted on the basis of being a hometown guy, or were close to the community because they grew up in it. Players reach out, roots are put down, and winning makes damn near everyone good friends. You are simply in denial if you don't understand that.

If the front office thinks Vince is the QB to lead this franchise, then his already substantial Houston fanbase makes for a sweet bonus. If it is a dead coin flip between Vince and Leinart in terms of replacing Carr, then Young will easily win the tiebreaker because of his local status. But if the FO is not convinced that Vince needs to replace Carr, then they are not going to suddenly rethink any aspect of that decision because of the fan outcry for Vince, as it exists now.

Trust me, we go 12-4 two years from now? David Carr is going to get really popular around here.
 
Jerek,
again you are misunderstanding what i am saying.. I am not saying draft VY because of ticket sales , I am responding to your comment about People dont sell tickets winning does. You say that but look at the Marlins and Braves who win and still cant sell out games. heck the ex Expos had a great record before they left Montreal and couldnt sell out a game. Its alot harder than you think and dont get me wrong I am not a economics teacher but with the 2-14 last year this team needs excitement and something to wake the people up in houston for there football team. RB is not the answer right now... he may be the right pick for them but this teams needs the fans behind them and right now is the moment they need them.

If we dont make the right pick and it should be the best person there for them and I will agree RB is special but we need something to boost this team. The FO knows this and that is what is making them think about VY.. if DC fails after his extension the FO will lose alot of the fan base and will continued to be second guessed.. Yes winning does cure alot of things but it doesnt always bring the fans like you say it does...
 
expwrlifter--your examples come from a sport that rarely sells out regular season games, partly because there are so many games, and one where even dominant teams lose tons of games during the season. Plus, while baseball is a team sport, at a base level it is a one on one confrontation pitcher vs. hitter as the focus. Adding players like Clemons can more easily affect such sales. The NFL in contrast has relatively few games, is the consumate team sport, has the potential for undefeated seasons and every win is vital. Field a winning team (heck just don't lose for several consecutive years for non-expansion teams) and fans will come.
 
expwrlifter said:
Jerek,
again you are misunderstanding what i am saying.. I am not saying draft VY because of ticket sales , I am responding to your comment about People dont sell tickets winning does. You say that but look at the Marlins and Braves who win and still cant sell out games. heck the ex Expos had a great record before they left Montreal and couldnt sell out a game. Its alot harder than you think and dont get me wrong I am not a economics teacher but with the 2-14 last year this team needs excitement and something to wake the people up in houston for there football team. RB is not the answer right now... he may be the right pick for them but this teams needs the fans behind them and right now is the moment they need them.

If we dont make the right pick and it should be the best person there for them and I will agree RB is special but we need something to boost this team. The FO knows this and that is what is making them think about VY.. if DC fails after his extension the FO will lose alot of the fan base and will continued to be second guessed..
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I disagree with this comment, If the Texans start to win the fans will return regardless if we have VY or RB. All that we want is a solid team that can compete and win games. People here in H-town jump on them bandwagons in a hurry. Look at last yr with the Astros. Everyone was losing interest the first part of the season when they were not winning, then all of a sudden they begin to win and everyone is back. With huge grins on there faces. People here just go with the flow.
 
Your right go with the flow and bandwagon at times... well we have a big bandwagon with VY... they need something to help them out and its staring them right in the face...

Infantry you are right I used a bad example of teams, but the Vikings are about to leave Minnesota, TB cant sell out, Dolphins couldnt sell out and they almost made the playoffs... There is alot of things we need and one player wont fill these holes.. so thats why it makes sense to go get someone who will create some excitement around here because we know DC hasnt done that in the four years he has been here..

Heck I wouldnt even mind trading down... but we need something to jumpstart fans again to support the TEXANS ..why do you think all the buzz is going around now.. the Texans should be excited that H-town wants VY...use that to help you not hurt you which it could later on down the road.
 
There is alot of things we need and one player wont fill these holes.. so thats why it makes sense to go get someone who will create some excitement around here because we know DC hasnt done that in the four years he has been here..
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In Davids defense he did just what you said he did not do for the first three years. It was year four that he ignored us in Dallas, only to go on and have a terrible season to boot. Had he won 9 games he would be the shoe in for the #1 spot.

He did not win so his temper tantrums got in the way of his ability to acurately make a football decision. Maybe he can bounce back but that is a maybe. Maybe Vince wil be the best there has ever been, another maybe.
Maybe Reggie will have breakaway speed and some how elude defenses way more in tune than the Texas Longhorns, another maybe. Lets not throw out the Furguson issue, Top man at his position who could be the key to our Oline worries, another maybe.

I am just hoping that maybe the football heads we have inserted do the impossible task of rearranging, retraining, tweaking to let us have our first winning season ever in this teams history.
 
I'm all for trading down and getting some stud lineman and more draft picks but these numbers do not lie.

Bush averaged an astounding 8.7 yards per carry this past season but only averaged 15.4 carries per contest. Then again, he had 16 rushing touchdowns on those 200 carries, a remarkable rate of a score every 12.5 totes. And these weren’t Jerome Bettis or Mike Alstott touchdown rumbles – Bush averaged 29.3 yards per scoring run.

That is just not human. How about this senario for next season?

Andre wide right - 4.35 speed
Mathis wide left - 4.2 speed
Bush motions to the slot receiver - LIGHTNING
Does Carr?
a. Throw to Andre who is in single coverage.
b. Throw to Bush who is in single coverage.
c. Throw deep to Mathis who is in single coverage.
d. Give the ball to DD on a run, screen or draw.
e. Get sacked because he still has no Left tackle.

The #33 pick can help on option e. Looks pretty good to me and I want to trade the pick. Man.....we are sitting in a pretty good situation this year. I hope we don't screw it up.
 
Bamboo said:
carr is not on the team , vince young does a, b (does not exist) c, d, or e..... return the play for a touchdown because the defense couldn't cover. the screw up will come if we don't draft young.

http://media.putfile.com/UT-Trib

some of you fans need to learn what is like to be a champion. vince will lead u there. carr won't.
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LOL...you guys are a trip...you forgot to mention that VY can make diamonds out of rain drops and skittles out of rainbows. VY will probbaly not even hit the field for another 2-3 yrs. Are we all willing to wait for him to learn to red defenses, develop an avg. arm, and dish out so much money to sign him that we probably will not be able to go after some FA help. Another thing VY on the roster does not make us an automatic contender and yes he might sell some tickets but when the honeymoon is over will the fans keep coming out. You know to see him ride the pine and watch a team that could have improved but instead drafted a homeboy that probably will not get playin time for another 3 yrs., because the fans wanted VY. I don't think so.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
One of the reasons Carr was selected by the Texans was because he beat up on several teams too.
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True david had a decent senior year but he never played the kind of talent the big boys play san jose state and the utah aggies dont match up to the ohio states or usc's of the world.
 
Koolbrz said:
VY will probbaly not even hit the field for another 2-3 yrs. .
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whats that credibility??

you want to jump out the window??

Dont do it credibility!!

Koolbrz said:
You know to see him ride the pine and watch a team that could have improved but instead drafted a homeboy that probably will not get playin time for another 3 yrs.
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bye credibility,we hardly knew ye.
 
VY has the talent to start from day 1 but IMO it would bet smart to let him sit on the bench for one or two years while we can upgrade our oline and still give him time to adjust to the speed of the nfl.
 
stevo3883 said:
whats that credibility??

you want to jump out the window??

Dont do it credibility!!



bye credibility,we hardly knew ye.
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Dude, if you think VY is going to come into the league with guns blazin, you are dead wrong. He honestly needs another 2-3 yrs before he can start. He may have been a god in H.S. and college, he won't be in this league. At least not right away. I just don't see him doin the same thing right away in the NFL. IMO they will do him more harm starting him right away. He needs to learn how to read defenses, develop his arm some more and learn a totally new system. We are lookin at another 2-3 yrs like it or not.
 
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