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Our future corner to compliment Dunta...
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YoungTexanFan
All Pro
that is an intresting choice, i think we would be reaching for a cb that early, i thought next year at the earliest. we have a few other needs to address first, but he sounds like quite a physical prospect, do you have a scouting report on him?
Wolf
100% Texan
listed as #5 in the draft (for sophmores) overall
http://www.draftshowcase.com/
http://www.draftshowcase.com/
hot pickle
Canada Eh
maybe a tall CB might be good for the texans
If you think about it I think we will be looking at corner in rounds 1-3, I doubt in the first round, but, Glenn is about to be gone. I don't think Faggin's will be a good starter, hes a little slow, but hes a excellent nickel back. We also really need help at safety once again. Coleman was injured, and hes also probably about to retire, then theres Glenn Earl, who hasn't showen me nothing at all. I like that big safety in the first round. I also would like another MLB in the 2nd/3rd round, or move Kailee to middle and Peek to replace him.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
I think Earl will be ok at SS, the fact that we didn't see a whole lot of him is sometimes a good thing for a rookie. I'm sure they lessened a lot of his responsibilities, but an offseason of training camp and more time from his injury and he can only get better as time goes on.
texanfan2002114
Veteran
DoCt3rJ said:
I agree with you about Glenn. He has lost about 5 steps. You are wrong about Colman. He is nowhere close to retiring. He just signed an extention during this season.
Earl will be a stud on this team. You have to remember that he had acl knee surgery right before he was drafted. Thats why the Texans got him in the 4th round. He was rated the 2nd best saftey in the country behind Sean Taylor before he got hurt.
TexansCanes
Rookie
suprising that he declared. i was think about him as a replacment but in a year or two. he was the freshman of the year in the pac-10 last year and has improved this year. i think with good workouts he will be able to improve his stock a lot just becuase scouts probably don't know as much and look at his workouts very carefully. right now we have two corners that are on the small side so a big corner would be a great addition. another guy that i was looking at as a replacment was antonio chromartie. he is tall and fast and was voted first team all-acc even though he didn't start. but he can't come out till next year so if we don't fill the need this year, i would like to look at him in the next couple of drafts.
F-minus67 said:
Nice point F-minus, although being a big corner back is great in the league, I think being able to keep up with the WR is more important. Especially with the rules implemented this season. It's all about being able to cover now. Look at Robinson and Glenn. I think they are listed at 5'10"? Yeah okay, and that's probably not even close, maybe for Robinson but suely Glenn is not that. I would say more like 5'8 but they are agile, quick and smart. This young kid yall are talking about, do you think he can handle the NFL mentally? I am sure the Texans would like to play immediately whoever they draft.
ive never been real big on the whole "big CB" thing.. I think a CB can be as short as 5'10" and still cover a 6'2" - 6'3" WR without a WHOLE lot of difficulty. It all depends on his quickness, technique, and jumping ability.
That being said, if we take a CB, we need to take a good COVER corner.. not a physical corner. the 5 yard rule makes cover corners infinately more effective than big physical guys.
I am also of the opinion that we can afford to take a CB in the 3rd and 4th rounds for the next few years, and look for a diamond in the rough, while we groom Demarcus Faggins. I think he can replace Glenn, possibly permenantly, but if not, at least until we find another guy.
Of course, I wouldnt complain if we traded down and grabbed Carlos Rogers.
That being said, if we take a CB, we need to take a good COVER corner.. not a physical corner. the 5 yard rule makes cover corners infinately more effective than big physical guys.
I am also of the opinion that we can afford to take a CB in the 3rd and 4th rounds for the next few years, and look for a diamond in the rough, while we groom Demarcus Faggins. I think he can replace Glenn, possibly permenantly, but if not, at least until we find another guy.
Of course, I wouldnt complain if we traded down and grabbed Carlos Rogers.
btw.. what about Antonio Perkins? he almost sounds like Dunta-lite .. but also with return capabilities.
http://www.draftshowcase.com/AntonioPerkins.htm
http://www.draftshowcase.com/AntonioPerkins.htm
Throwing my 
in on drafting a cornerback. If they do draft one, they should go ahead and take the shutdown corner in the 1st. Since this is such a weak draft, unless a premier DT is still available, take a CB and then go for OL and DL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
As for Antonio Perkins, he'll go very high in the draft based on return capablities alone. But he's a return man, CB second. CC and Capers will want it the other way around. I see them looking at Justin Miller of Clemson. He's a big hitter with speed, plus he can return punts. I think his stock will rise going up to the combine and not necessarily be a reach with the 13th pick. If CC trades down, (which is what everyone will want CC to do, but I doubt he will do) then Pac-Man Jones will probably still be more attractive than Perkins, again for the same reasons.
It will be interesting to see how the kickoff and punt return situation plays out. CC and Capers clearly want someone other than J.J. Moses because Moses can't multi-task. I see them being interested in Perkins in maybe the 3rd or 4th round, but he'll be gone before then. On the other hand, CC and Capers don't like having a high draft pick starting CB returning kicks due to the higher risk of injury.
in on drafting a cornerback. If they do draft one, they should go ahead and take the shutdown corner in the 1st. Since this is such a weak draft, unless a premier DT is still available, take a CB and then go for OL and DL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.As for Antonio Perkins, he'll go very high in the draft based on return capablities alone. But he's a return man, CB second. CC and Capers will want it the other way around. I see them looking at Justin Miller of Clemson. He's a big hitter with speed, plus he can return punts. I think his stock will rise going up to the combine and not necessarily be a reach with the 13th pick. If CC trades down, (which is what everyone will want CC to do, but I doubt he will do) then Pac-Man Jones will probably still be more attractive than Perkins, again for the same reasons.
It will be interesting to see how the kickoff and punt return situation plays out. CC and Capers clearly want someone other than J.J. Moses because Moses can't multi-task. I see them being interested in Perkins in maybe the 3rd or 4th round, but he'll be gone before then. On the other hand, CC and Capers don't like having a high draft pick starting CB returning kicks due to the higher risk of injury.
I was thinking about Justin Miller but the guy really didn't impress me at Clemson, plus his a trash talker and doesn't do enough to back it up. I don't he is good enough to take in the 1st round let alone with the 13th pick. But I'll give him credit he is one hell of a return man!
beerlover
Hall of Fame
there are enough quality CB's coming out the Texans could still get a top tier with the 2nd pick, Carlos Rogers with that pick would be outstanding, with so many good ones coming out he should still be there- In a case of the rich keeps getting richer, the increasingly strong CB position for the 2005 draft got a little stronger with Tennessee junior CB Jason Allen having reportedly decided to enter this year's draft. Allen joins fellow junior CBs Adam Jones of West Virginia, Justin Miller of Clemson and Fabian Washington of Nebraska, as well as star Oregon State sophomore Brandon Browner who have already entered the 2005 draft making the CB position one of the real strengths at this year's draft.
Human Highlight Reel
Noob
This is how we should go with the draft strategy.
1st round, I'd trade out and get a high second round and high 3rd. with the first 2nd rounder i would take a Saftey, then with the next 2nd round take a ILB. with the first 3rd round take a CB, with the 2nd 3rd rounder take a D-Lineman, 4th round pick up a RB. 5-7 take O-Linemen.
I'd do all my upgrading of the O-Lineman and D-Lineman in Free Agency.
1st round, I'd trade out and get a high second round and high 3rd. with the first 2nd rounder i would take a Saftey, then with the next 2nd round take a ILB. with the first 3rd round take a CB, with the 2nd 3rd rounder take a D-Lineman, 4th round pick up a RB. 5-7 take O-Linemen.
I'd do all my upgrading of the O-Lineman and D-Lineman in Free Agency.
I can't see the Texans trading their 1st round pick because there are plenty of studs that will be onthe board at 13. If they do trade then they trade for a later first round pick and a 2nd round pick. But you can't really rule toomuch out with Casserly calling the shoots on draft day. Maybe make a trade with Seattle or St. Loiuis for their first round pick and a second round pick that way Seattle or St. Loius can pick up Ahmad Brooks, if they want him bad enough.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Human Highlight Reel said:
The #13 pick is worth more than the top 2nd & 3rd round picks combined. From the not set in stone value chart--#13 1150 pts vs. #33 580 pts + #65 265 pts = 845 pts. Most trade ups in the past few years have overpaid the chart value, not underpaid. And why target a 2nd round safety as the top pick if you do the deal?--who is getting replaced?--Coleman just got a new deal, mostly in the form of signing bonus so the Texans aren't replacing him. Earl is a guy they said would have had a 1st round grade but for his injury. Don't see how you could have concluded he is so bad at the position with the limited time he played this year that replacing him is such a need that a rookie 2nd rounder is likely to take his spot.
Mistril48
Rookie
Good analysis, although my recollection was they said they had a 2nd round grade on Earl, not 1st, but I'm not sure.infantrycak said:
I think it's still a little too early to tell the value of the #13 pick until every Jr. has declared. Leinart would affect the top of the draft IMO.
Last year, for example, I think many people thought there were 7 'top' picks (Manning, Roethlisberger, Gallery, Williams, Fitzgerald, Winslow and Taylor) I think the draft fell well for Atlanta and Houston, who got the top rated CBs (many thought there was a drop off after them). I think Buffalo could have justified going up to 9 for Roethlisberger and Jags going back to 13th for the BA DE, or WR.
Once the group is set and then we see how the draft unfolds, it may be clear the Texans should try to fall back (like I think the Jags should have). Time will tell.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Mistril48 said:
My recollection may be off also--I remember it as they had him graded as the 2nd best safety and a 1st round talent. In any event, I don't understand how coming off an injury and being thrown in unexpectedly, and as far as I could tell did a good job at least as defined as didn't get treated like Matt Stevens or Brown despite all the deficits--why are so many people targetting safety as a top need? Just don't get it.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
Our weak link is the DLine. Get them to dominate the O-Line and our entire D will look better as a result.
Mistril48
Rookie
I think it's particularly tough on a rookie to miss camp and Earl didn't participate much in camps.infantrycak said:
Very few safeties (or interior O-linemen) are drafted 13th, or higher.infantrycak said:
I think the Texans will just take the best available at any position, other than QB, (and likely not interior O-linemen, or safeties, unless they are very special). As the Texans roster evolves, it will be harder and harder to draft guys and start 6 rookies on offense, or 3 rookies on defense, but you still have to take the best available, particularly with your first pick. For example, I like our WRs and CBs, but I won't freak if they took a WR, or CB, if they are BAP.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I understand the need to consider "needs" in the draft although I lean more toward BPA, so it wouldn't surprise me much if at all if the Texans took a WR or CB with the #13. On the other hand, safety strikes me as a very low priority need so I would be surprised to see a 1st or 2nd unless something happened like Thomas Davis sliding to our 2nd round pick where he might be a BPA pick rather than a need pick.
wags
Veteran
infantrycak said:
IMO, there's no D-lineman worth the 13 pick, especially if we pick by BPA. Any ILB's worth #13? No. CB and OLB were drafted in RD 1 last year. Any WR? Only if Williams is available. Any TE's. No. Any OL. Probably. Any RB's? Probably.
The way I look at it, if we stay at 13 and draft BPA, it will be either RB, OL, or Thomas Davis. Safety isn't the #1 need (OL), but the BPA at 13 may be a safety. JMO, I'm by no means a draft expert.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
wags said:
Derrick Johnson would play ILB if drafted by the Texans. No reason you can't take CB two years in a row for top pick--is there such a thing as too good a backfield? Add Edwards to Williams. etc.
My point with the safety question is not who will be available at #13 but why would you identify, as a number of people have, safety as the top NEED? Realistically both might be upgradeable, but it is extremely unlikely they take a FS since they extended Coleman with a bonus heavy contract, which to me means they plan on him holding the starting position for 2 of 3 years minimum and Earl is a top prospect who hasn't shown anything negative. Safety IMO has to fall behind C, ILB, CB, TE, DL depth, RB depth as needs.
wags
Veteran
infantrycak said:
DJ, Edwards, and Williams will not be available at #13. I think you already knew that though. Would the Texans really tie up that much money at CB? Glenn's contract and 2 #1 draft picks.
infantrycak said:
I dunno. I don't think safety is the number 1 need. OL by a long shot.
infantrycak said:
Davis, having played SS this year, would probably challenge Earl.
As far as needs go, I don't think the Texans can satisfy C, ILB, TE, or DL if they stay at 13 and draft BPA. CB is a maybe. OL, RB, and Thomas Davis will be BPA at 13 if you see the prospects as I do.
BuffSoldier
Veteran
The reason I have safety raked as one of or top needs is because I really dont have anything else to put ahead of it, other than an OL, There is no good gaurd or center really worth a 1st round pick, I dont think DJ will be there at pick 13, and it would be a reach to take Ahmad Brooks that high. Antrell Rolle will be gone by 13, and there is no DL that I consider to be worth the 13th pick(unless Rod Wright has a good combine showing). So i have to go with a safety if TD falls to us.
Oh and i dont think that Earl has the speed to do well in coverage, hery but I could be wrong.
Oh and i dont think that Earl has the speed to do well in coverage, hery but I could be wrong.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
I kind of like Miller out of Clemson, and Fox out of Ohio State.
Mistril48
Rookie
Good info.Vinny said:
Any insights on (not for just #13):
- Carlos Rogers;
- Justin Miller (previously mentioned);
- Brandon Browner;
- Antonio Perkins;
- Eric Green
as an extra CB, or return guy? Are any known gangsters? With the Texans, I think it would be easier to anticipate who they had an interest in if we knew who were gangsters.
wags
Veteran
Justin Miller is a great kick returner. He's the ACC career return yardage leader. Takes it to the house. As far as being a gangsta (gangster's prefer gangsta), I did see this kid actively involved in Clemson-SC fight. Who wasn't though?
http://clemsontigers.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010505aaa.html
http://clemsontigers.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010505aaa.html
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
BuffSoldier said:
Earl and Davis are both 4.55 speed guys. Davis may have big hit potential (something Earl was known for as well) but is known to be raw and to have weaknesses in coverage. IMO coverage ability is more important than a few highlight film hits.
texansfan88
Rookie
I've talked to Justin a few times and although he did have that scuffle back in the SC game, I can tell you that he is a world-class person with a great heart. Although I don't want to see the Texans take him, I know I'll clap when I hear his name called on April 24
wags
Veteran
infantrycak said:
Earl is listed at 4.61 for his agility test.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/glenn_earl
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
wags said:
Not that .06 makes a difference, but in any event that listing was done after his non-fully recuperated knee injury--don't know where or when the number comes from, previously he had run a 4.53. In any event, one way or another there is not an appreciable speed difference between them.
