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LCROD,

Love your photo with your Number 1 Texans fan!!!!!!
He's so cute. I know you are proud!

Bobby 119C
 
the only 2 names i recognized was S Dexter Reid and eric flowers, not saying we should get flowers though.
 
The Pats cut Kyle Eckel today. This guy will be the next Mike Alstott or Tom Rathman if given a chance.

Several Pats fans wanted him to stick. I'm not sure what his Naval committment is though and this may deter teams from looking at him.

He could serve as that bruising back that the organization talked about getting in the offseason and seems to be very multi-talented.
 
the wonger need food said:
The Pats cut Kyle Eckel today. This guy will be the next Mike Alstott or Tom Rathman if given a chance.

Several Pats fans wanted him to stick. I'm not sure what his Naval committment is though and this may deter teams from looking at him.

He could serve as that bruising back that the organization talked about getting in the offseason and seems to be very multi-talented. His
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interesting, we could use some *****-whooping in the back. I must admit though, that I have a feeling that we won't be signing anyone from now on; what we see is what we got.
 
Attaj Hawthorne, Robert McCune, Carphonse Thorpe, Teyo Johnson, Jay Foreman, PK Sam, Attiyah Ellison, Liam Ezekial.

I would love to see the team take a run at Teyo Johnson or Robert McCune.
 
Hawthorne released? Wow, I know he dropped in the draft but I remember last year some people were touting him as a first rounder. McCune would be another one to look at for ILB potential. Isn't Attiyah Ellison a NT?

I know all these guys were released for a reason and likely wouldn't add much to the team, but I'd rather talk about another teams garbage than the garabge we saw against the Bucs.
 
Buccaneers | Heller Waived
Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:54:59 -0700

Buccaneers.com reports the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have waived TE Will Heller.

Damn, thought he would make their team. I mean we made the guy look like frickin' Superman.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Attaj Hawthorne, Robert McCune, Carphonse Thorpe, Teyo Johnson, Jay Foreman, PK Sam, Attiyah Ellison, Liam Ezekial.

I would love to see the team take a run at Teyo Johnson or Robert McCune.
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I agree about Teyo Johnson......
 
Just read Peerless Price's contract is a 1 year $2.5 million contract...wish we could have snagged him as a #2...
 
pick up mccune and drop s. orr...not sure about hawthorne or ellison...just think ioane and deloach are just as good...plus they already know the system...no decent recievers or o-lineman yet
 
keyfro said:
pick up mccune and drop s. orr...not sure about hawthorne or ellison...just think ioane and deloach are just as good...plus they already know the system...no decent recievers or o-lineman yet
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better yet...keep Shantee Orr and release Evans.
 
Texas said:
...Maurice clarett I beleive would be a good pickup and ill tell you why. He has been shamed and **** on by the broncos. He has played like a high school player and hasnt shown anything but a hot ego. However when his ego settles he will become a good 2nd string RB. I beleive we could use a power back of his caliber because we never seem to be able to get that goal line play that we need.
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MC is a prima donna... he was too much of a "star" to associate with his teamates at Ohio State, he was too much of a "star" to accept not being the starter in Denver during the preseason and must have done something terribly wrong to never appear once during preseason... not what you'd expect from a 3rd round draft pick. Give Denver's coach props for the ability to admit making a mistake by drafting him in the first place, and getting rid of the poison before it could spread through his team.

I can only hope and pray Dallas picks him up.
 
Crank_It_Up said:
must have done something terribly wrong to never appear once during preseason... .
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He had a groin injury and didn't seem to be making full effort to get back on the field. I think he knew he didn't have enough horsepower to make the team and was just trying to make the club from the tub, which ya can't do in the Pros.
 
yeah i read he had a groin injury, but I wasn't convinced how much was injury and how much was his way of pouting cause of lack of use
 
Hey guys....

I have a couple fo discards that I think we should pick up:

Swinton and Sloan Thomas. Have you guys seen them? Man, Swinton caught a TD pass AND he returned a kick for a score (which Houston has never done) and Sloan Thomas made some pretty clutch catches in pressure situations--One of those set up a field goal for a win against the Raiders I think!

Anyway, I think if we got those two guys we could land some real steals.

Kind of hard for me to get jazzed about other team's discards when we have about 2-3 guys who made the cut who shouldn't have at the risk of at least two guys who DID deserve to make the cut. I haven't had a hard time with the Texans' cuts the past few years...but these cuts are brutal to anybody who has been watching the WR battles during camp and preseason.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Hey guys....

I have a couple fo discards that I think we should pick up:

Swinton and Sloan Thomas. Have you guys seen them? Man, Swinton caught a TD pass AND he returned a kick for a score (which Houston has never done) and Sloan Thomas made some pretty clutch catches in pressure situations--One of those set up a field goal for a win against the Raiders I think!

Anyway, I think if we got those two guys we could land some real steals.

Kind of hard for me to get jazzed about other team's discards when we have about 2-3 guys who made the cut who shouldn't have at the risk of at least two guys who DID deserve to make the cut. I haven't had a hard time with the Texans' cuts the past few years...but these cuts are brutal to anybody who has been watching the WR battles during camp and preseason.
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I hope they sign Thomas to the practice sqaud.

As for Swinton, which of these three would you rather have: P-Buc, Swinton or Mathis? P-Buc is a started on D and a damn good return man; MAthis is in front of Swinton on the WR depth chart and is showing signs of becoming a better returner; or Swinton who is an average to below average reciever and a good return man. Swinton got cut for the same reason JJ got cut; inability to contribute outside of reutrning kicks. And don't give me the "but he caught a TD in a preseason game," becasue alot of WRs that are no longer in the NFL have also.
 
How many Texans WRs caught a TD this preseason? And if I'm right, he caught it from David Carr and the rest of the first team unit. It wasn't "scrub" time when he did that.

Why did they even bring him in? Why? Absurd.

We have historically kept about 12 TEs in previous seasons, which didn't matter because we don't throw the ball to the TE anyway. And this year we finally seem to have gotten over the "keep a million TEs" syndrome...but can we keep a stable of good WRs THIS year? Nope. Gotta cut 'em. I, to, hope they get to our practice squad, etc..but I bet Sloan gets picked up by another team.

Swinton frickin' PERFORMED. What in the blue blazes does a guy have to do to win a job during the preseason? What do they have to do?
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Swinton frickin' PERFORMED. What in the blue blazes does a guy have to do to win a job during the preseason? What do they have to do?
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Did you watch the games, and read what I said?

Swinton did indeed perform as a returner, but so did others.

As for performing as a WR:

Please, we must all bow down to the mighty Reggie Swinton, cathcer of a signle pass, gainer of a mammoth 2 yards, a no-shower is the other 3 games. Yes, how is it possible that this soon to be hall of famer was cut by thw lowly Texans, this man amongst boys, this colossus of a reciever who was by far and awau the best PERFORMER in the preseason.

Rant over.
 
I agree , they BOTH performed . Swinton was pretty damned good returning both kicks and punts .
Sloan Thomas was .... the best reciever the Texans had this pre-season .

Bradford did NOTHING to show me he has improved
Armstrong was hurt for the majority of the pre-season .... i do like him.... but Both of the above mentioned out-performed him.


I really hope for the Texans sake that no one picks up Thomas but on the other hand I'd like to see him get a shot with another team.

:texans:
 
Ernest Shazor (S) was cut. Anyone still want to convert him to LB?

C.J.Brooks (G), Vince Carter (C), & Wesley Britt (OT) were waived. Although he's been injured, Britt made a good showing at the combine. He might be worth bringing in for a look.
 
Things that caught my eye on the transaction page:

Eric Shelton placed on IR by the Panthers
Charles Hill released by the Panthers
Greg Randall released by the Browns
Jamel White released by the Lions
Quentin Griffin released by the Broncos
The Colts trading for Rocky Calmus
Crap Thorpe released by the Chiefs
Derrius Thompson placed on IR by the Dolphins
Steve Martin placed on IR by the Vikes
David Terrell released by the Pats
Raheem Orr released by the Giants
Curry Burns released by the Giants
Sean Landeta released by the Eagles (how old is he anyway?)
Fred Gibson released by the Steelers
Wesley Britt released by the Chargers
Kevin Dyson released by the Redskins
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Buccaneers | Heller Waived
Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:54:59 -0700

Buccaneers.com reports the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have waived TE Will Heller.

Damn, thought he would make their team. I mean we made the guy look like frickin' Superman.
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I agree I think this guy could be a good pick up.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
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I would love to see the team take a run at Teyo Johnson .
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Yeah especially since the Texans online store has this guys rookie card like we drafted him or something.
 
HothBoy,

Swinton's purpose was NOT to be a WR first. His roster spot was to be a kick returner first, then a WR.

He fills out a roster spot primarily as a kick returner, but (and stay with me here, ok?) he can also GASP! plug into the depth chart as a WR if we need him.

Mathis is a WR first, then a KR. Buchanon is a CB first, then a KR. They both have primary roster spots, but can also go as KR. Swinton could have been designated the KR, but could also serve as a WR in a crunch.

It could have been a win-win situation if you ask me.

The guy took a kick to the house, which has never been done. We cut JJ because he couldn't take one to the house. I guess that should help JJ feel better to know that even a guy we brought in to replace him still got cut even after returning a kick for a score. :embarrass

In addition, Swinton showed that he can catch a pass, a TD pass, in a pressure situation with our first team unit. The coaches didn't have Swinton in the vast majority of plays this preseason because there are soooo many other WRs that DON'T return kicks (like Swinton does) and needed to get the reps so the coaches could see them play.

But when the guy was in there, he did something we rarely saw this preseason....catch a TD pass.

That's my argument. I don't know how much clearer I can get it.

We might just have to agree to disagree, and that's OK.
 
Ernest Shazor (S) was cut. Anyone still want to convert him to LB?
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Does anyone think he's as good as T. Davis anymore? :rolleyes:

Fred Gibson released by the Steelers
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This is one of the few Georgia players I really despise. He was a weenie at Georgia and apparently he carried it over to the preseason. No worries for Fred though, he can sell all his Steelers gear on EBAY and make a nice profit.

Crap Thorpe released by the Chiefs
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Not surprised here. The kid broke his leg twice in college.


The one guy I would like to see us pick up is Johnathan Goddard. He could be a nice edge rusher for us.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
HothBoy,

Swinton's purpose was NOT to be a WR first. His roster spot was to be a kick returner first, then a WR.

He fills out a roster spot primarily as a kick returner, but (and stay with me here, ok?) he can also GASP! plug into the depth chart as a WR if we need him.

Mathis is a WR first, then a KR. Buchanon is a CB first, then a KR. They both have primary roster spots, but can also go as KR. Swinton could have been designated the KR, but could also serve as a WR in a crunch.

It could have been a win-win situation if you ask me.

The guy took a kick to the house, which has never been done. We cut JJ because he couldn't take one to the house. I guess that should help JJ feel better to know that even a guy we brought in to replace him still got cut even after returning a kick for a score. :embarrass

In addition, Swinton showed that he can catch a pass, a TD pass, in a pressure situation with our first team unit. The coaches didn't have Swinton in the vast majority of plays this preseason because there are soooo many other WRs that DON'T return kicks (like Swinton does) and needed to get the reps so the coaches could see them play.

But when the guy was in there, he did something we rarely saw this preseason....catch a TD pass.

That's my argument. I don't know how much clearer I can get it.

We might just have to agree to disagree, and that's OK.
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He returned a a kick fdor a score in teh second half of teh second preseason game also known as garbage time.

As for Swinton's purpose, who HAVE to factor in what Swinton can do outside of kick returns; because for the first time in this tema's history we have enough depth to not carry a specialist like Swinton, or Holling (but thats a rant for another time). And if yuo go back and LOOK at the stats for teh preseason games, the TD pass was teh only one Swinton caught (and he probaly wouldn't have even been in the game except for Gaff injury).

P-Buc ahd proven to be an electric reutn man in the league, now do I want one of teh startign CBs to be returning kicks? I not so sure that it is that big of a risk; but if you don't want him to return kicks Mathis proved that he was better at it then Swinton ( and he is a better WR then Swinton).

And FYI you were clear, but so was I. Swinton is NOT a good enough of a reutrn man or reciever to bet out the guys on the 53 man roster.

Ask yourself this; Is Reggie Swinton as good fo a returned as Dante Hall? Because Hall is the only dedicated return man I can think of on any NFL 53 man roster.
 
TEYO JOHNSON

guys this is a 6'6 260lbs former second round pick. Was from the same draft and round as Joppru but many people had him ranked higher. Just 23 years old. former wideout who has been working on his blocking. Think Billy Miller plus 4 inches and 30 pounds. which alone will make him a better blocker. Would be our best tight end on the roster.
 
Didn't we just release a player in his mold?

ESPN:
TE Teyo Johnson, Oakland (experience: two seasons): A second-round choice in the 2003 draft, the former Stanford standout never quite developed into the player Raiders coaches thought might dominate the middle of the field. More a receiver than a blocker, he nonetheless had only 23 catches in 24 appearances over two seasons, and eventually fell into coach Norv Turner's doghouse. At 6-feet-6 and 260 pounds, though, and with the basketball-type skills teams covet at the position, he'll be intriguing to someone.

TE Teyo Johnson - 6-6 and 260lbs
TE Billy Miller - 6-3 245lbs
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
HothBoy,

Swinton's purpose was NOT to be a WR first. His roster spot was to be a kick returner first, then a WR.

He fills out a roster spot primarily as a kick returner, but (and stay with me here, ok?) he can also GASP! plug into the depth chart as a WR if we need him.

Mathis is a WR first, then a KR. Buchanon is a CB first, then a KR. They both have primary roster spots, but can also go as KR. Swinton could have been designated the KR, but could also serve as a WR in a crunch.

It could have been a win-win situation if you ask me.

The guy took a kick to the house, which has never been done. We cut JJ because he couldn't take one to the house. I guess that should help JJ feel better to know that even a guy we brought in to replace him still got cut even after returning a kick for a score. :embarrass

In addition, Swinton showed that he can catch a pass, a TD pass, in a pressure situation with our first team unit. The coaches didn't have Swinton in the vast majority of plays this preseason because there are soooo many other WRs that DON'T return kicks (like Swinton does) and needed to get the reps so the coaches could see them play.

But when the guy was in there, he did something we rarely saw this preseason....catch a TD pass.

That's my argument. I don't know how much clearer I can get it.

We might just have to agree to disagree, and that's OK.
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It's not quite that simple. The one thing that you're leaving out of your assessment, is that JJ didn't have the speed to take it to the house. P-Buc, Mathis, & Swinton all have the speed to take it to the house at any given time.

Now, stay with me here, returns for TD's are very rare in the NFL (2,155 Kickoff returns for 17 TD's last year). That's 1 TD for every 126.76 returns, or less than 1% (.8%) of the time. Everything has to fall into place, such as, all key blocks need to be made, the opposing team making at least one mistake in coverage, the kicker out kicking his coverage, & no one getting flagged on the return. There are other variables as well, but if you've stayed with me, I'm sure you get the point.

P-Buc has great speed & has returned 3 punts for TD's in his career. That tells me he knows what he's doing on punt returns.

Mathis is arguably, the fastest man in the NFL. His only question mark is, since he has no NFL experience returning kicks, does he have the instincts/intelligence to return kicks with the big boys? In college, he returned 62 kickoffs for 1648 yards (26.6 avg.) & 6 TD's. Now, that doesn't necessarily translate into him being a great returner in the NFL, but his 9 returns for an average of (19.56) yards per return this preseason is only (7.34 ypr) behind the best the NFL had to offer last year (26.9 ypr), & those averages include several long returns. I realize that, that was against a lot of 2nd & 3rd stringers, but even still, you have to have some skills to get even that at the NFL level. Also, I'm sure you remember his 51 yard punt return in the Dallas game. Given an opening, the kid has the speed to take it to the house.

Now, Swinton's 7 returns for an average of (30.86 ypr) is quite impressive, until you leave out the 1 return for 102 yards (19.0 ypr). Swinton didn't even rank in the top 30 in the NFL last year at (22.8 ypr) & no TD's.

I would've loved to have kept Swinton as well, but with roster spots at a premium, if you have 3 guys that can do the same job & 2 of those guys can do their regular jobs better than the 3rd does his job, then it's a no brainer.
 
Kick returns typically come against 2nd and 3rd stringers anyway, so that isn't really relevant. I remember reading something Parcells said, about how if he thinks a guy is a great college returner, it generally translate equally to the pros. And that's coming from a guy that knows what he's talking about.
 
Teyo Johnson - TE - why don't we give him a chance ?
Honestly, even if he can't block, why not convert him to WR......hahhaha......maybe he'll beat out Bradford, and add another Johnson to our recieving core. He's gotta have better wheels and hands than any of our tight ends.

Jonathan Goddard - OLB - Former DE, the guy has more pass-rushing ability than any Linebacker on our roster. Nuff' said. Detroit probably signed him to the practice squad though.

Anttaj Hawthorne and Attiyah Ellison DTs - These guys are both big and faster than any of our backups at DT/DEs. I'm sure their teams put them on the Practice Squad though.

THUMP BELTON FB - I have no idea who this guy is, I just love his name, and he's a fullback. I just had to write it down.

Kerry Carter RB - Seattle was stocked at RB, and this kid supposedly can get the tough yards.

Reshard Lee RB - he's not a big name, but this guy can return kickoffs very well, and he runs hard when he's a runningback, I like him better than Quentin Griffin and our very own Hollings.

Alonzo Jackson OLB - played the 3-4 defense in Pittsburgh, at least he knows the sheme. And he's big.

Rashad Moore DT - He's big, strong and still young. I don't know how bad his injury is but, he's stronger than most of Defensive Lineman.

Jed Weaver TE - Caught 35 passes a year ago with the 49ers. He's 29 so he might have a couple years left. I actually don't know if he can block, but I figure he must still be good, since the team that released him has 3 great TEs already. The Patriots.
 
throwANDREtheBALL said:
THUMP BELTON FB - I have no idea who this guy is, I just love his name, and he's a fullback. I just had to write it down.
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I am all for picking up a guy named Thump Belton. Now thats a football player!
 
I would take a chance on Anttaj Hawthorne he fits the 3-4 defense, 1st round talent, would give the Texans two young DT's for the future adding depth and talent. he fits the NT position more @ 6' 3" 321 lbs is a wide body who can push in the pocket & be productive against the run.
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In reality he was the 175th player taken in the 6th round. Million dollar body and a 10 cent mind...that's the long and short of it. I think he tested positive for drugs as well.
 
Vinny said:
In reality he was the 175th player taken in the 6th round. Million dollar body and a 10 cent mind...that's the long and short of it. I think he tested positive for drugs as well.
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Not sure we need a guy like him in the locker room. I would love to see both him and Teyo Johnson signed by the Texans, but if they are problem players I say we just look in the other direction.
 
practice squad players are open game for other NFL teams are they not? the Texans would need to release someone off the 53 man roster to make room, one of their career jouneymen for a possible future front line player sounds like a good deal even if it means he needs treetment for substance abuse or personel issues :cool:

just thought it would be nice to add this from earlier in the year posted by Vinny-

Vinny 04-02-2005 11:39 PM

Rick Gosselin's position-by-position rankings

03:25 PM CST on Friday, April 1, 2005

HALFBACK
Rank, Player School
1. Ronnie Brown Auburn
2. Cedric Benson Texas
3. Carnell Williams Auburn
4. Vernand Morency Oklahoma State
5. J.J. Arrington Cal
Sleeper: Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
Rank, Player School
1. Travis Johnson Florida State
2. Shaun Cody Southern Cal
3. Luis Castillo Northwestern
4. Jonathan Babineaux Iowa
5. Anttaj Hawthorne Wisconsin
Sleeper: Willie Page NW Oklahoma
State
 
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