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Orlando Pace a Texan? | Day 2

I better hope we get Orlando Pace otherwise this thread will have gone to waste!!!

Can we expect something to happen between today and tomorrow? I don't want this thing to linger out like it did with the T-Mac trade. If we get him it's terrific, but if we don't we still have some issues to deal with on our team. Who's going to replace Foreman? Who's going to be our no.2 receiver? etc..
 
Pace is on KFNS in St. louis right now stating that he and the RAMS are close to signing a long term deal.

You guys might have got used as leverage.

Such is life in the big money league known as the NFL.

I'm torn, while I'm glad to have him at LT I also liked the thought of more darft picks to build for the future.
 
He might sign it to get traded, but then again that's just me.
 
caught the last 5 mins of the interview, but Slaten and Claiborne are talking like it is a done deal for our side.

They were even ribbing him about how he will have to be in Macomb and mini camps for the entire duration, etc.

They even asked each other "Do you think Houston ever was going to sign him?"

The interview will be replayed on KFNS in the 5 o'clock hour..
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Pace - "I think everyone is going to be happy in St. Louis"


KFNS - "I think the happiest guy today has to be Marc Bulger"
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Quotes from the live interview in St. Louis
 
ramsman34 said:
Quotes from the live interview in St. Louis
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how could this be because he was just on 610 like 10 minutes ago saying it was a sure thing with the Texans..o wait jk.. So you c, not discrediting you but id like to see reliable source before i know for sure.
 
I hope we pass on Pace... or that the deal falls through. I'm afraid the Texans will make the deal at any price, even 2 first round picks.

There are only 6 NFL that gave up more sacks than Houston. The Rams were one of them with 50 to our 49. They gave up 50 with Pace because he is only one part of the line. The rest of the line has holes in it, just as the Texans line has holes in it. Rather than selling the farm to get one player I'd rather beef up the line with several new players. No matter how good Pace is when the defense is pouring through our center and right guard Carr will still be getting sacked too many time and will still be running for his life.

And Pace will just cost too much. If we sell the farm to pay for Pace... what do we pay for Carr when it's time to renew his contract... and the same for DD... and then AJ.

No, keep the draft picks and the millions of dollars and spread some money around a little more evenly on a new center and guard in the draft.
 
I know everyone is talking about Pace, but in my opinion only, he is definately not worth the 13th pick in the draft. Sorry, that is my opinion. With the 13th pick, we can pick up another player who will contribute immediately.
We need offense, not defense right now. Score 40 points, and let them score 38. I want an offense for my money, not defense. Who wants to see a game's final score of 7-3? Certainly not me....
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1st) Orlando Pace OL as in OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!! lineman

2nd) and I don't think you ever saw the 2000 Ravens, 1985 Bears, or 2002 Buccanears
all SB champions and all due to defense. So Defense does win.
 
Bernie Miklasz (St. Louis Post-Dispatch Sports Editor) wrote:
Mike Claiborne (KFNS) had a lengthy discussion with Orlando Pace -- last night and then again today.

Claiborne believes the Rams and Pace are very close to reaching a deal.

That was the indication he got from Orlando.

And Pace confirmed on KFNS just now, saying, "we're very close."

The Rams sweetened their offer today (Tuesday)

Pace just finished up an interview on KFNS.

Pace just said "we're close. I'm about to get on a plane right now (to Orlando) and hopefully by the time I land, we'll have a deal."

He said turning point was the Houston trip...it brought about a new offer from the Rams...structure of the deal (apparently) was tweaked by the Rams...Pace said that means more to him then the end number in the contract -- which I take to mean that the Rams moved more of the money to the front part of the deal.

"It was important to me to get money up front," Pace told KFNS. "The way the deal was structured was important to me." Pace joked that he's lost his way to Macomb...said it's important for him to be in camp, "get back on track, and do the things I do well...I miss the camp to some extent, just being around the fellows."

As for criticism he's received in STL, Pace said, "It was tough, but as far as the fans go, they want a winner. I can understand that, but a lot of people don't understand the business part. You have to take care of the business befdore you get on the field."

Great job by Claibs.

--B
 
Here's some more info form the RAMS site:

Mike Claiborne (KFNS) had a lengthy discussion with Orlando Pace -- last night and then again today.

Claiborne believes the Rams and Pace are very close to reaching a deal.

That was the indication he got from Orlando.

And Pace confirmed on KFNS just now, saying, "we're very close."

The Rams sweetened their offer today (Tuesday)

Pace just finished up an interview on KFNS.

Pace just said "we're close. I'm about to get on a plane right now (to Orlando) and hopefully by the time I land, we'll have a deal."

He said turning point was the Houston trip...it brought about a new offer from the Rams...structure of the deal (apparently) was tweaked by the Rams...Pace said that means more to him then the end number in the contract -- which I take to mean that the Rams moved more of the money to the front part of the deal.

"It was important to me to get money up front," Pace told KFNS. "The way the deal was structured was important to me." Pace joked that he's lost his way to Macomb...said it's important for him to be in camp, "get back on track, and do the things I do well...I miss the camp to some extent, just being around the fellows."

As for criticism he's received in STL, Pace said, "It was tough, but as far as the fans go, they want a winner. I can understand that, but a lot of people don't understand the business part. You have to take care of the business befdore you get on the field."

Great job by Claibs.

RM34 - Now that this is done I probably won't be posting here for obvious reasons. Let me say this: You guys are very knowledgable and passionate fans. This board does not seem to have the problem we have on our board, darn near every thread turns into a Warner debate, it's pathetic. There are so many "trolls" on our board it can be difficult to actually talk football. Appreciate what you have here and I hope you never get infected by know-nothing trolls.

Coach LAG - Go long, and we'll fake it to you. :thumbup
 
Hervoyel said:
And I am typing this to you all from BEYOND THE GRAVE! since I'm 39.
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So how long have you been 39? I'm 39 too! And I've been 39 for something like 12 years now. :rolleyes:
 
jacquescas said:
we were leverage. oh well back to the draft with all our picks.
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And the sticky's on Pace will fall to never never land, and up pops all the Alex Barron threads.
 
hey the good news is that we are serious about making improvements, and we jacked the price up on the Rams so they have less money.
 
Atleast it didn't drag on. It's a bummer that we couldn't land OP, but we still have a good up and coming team. And don't we play the Rams this year? If so, we'll just beat them to get our revenge!!!
 
This is disappointing. But I hope the Texans don't match that offer. It would kill our cap and we would have to just cut him when it's time to resign Carr.

On a side note: Anyone who thinks the Rams want Sharper is delirious. They just signed Coakley and Claiborne and are in love with Robert Thomas (who is only 24 and been starting for the past 2 seasons). So please...no more Pace for Sharper + 1st round pick talk.
 
bubbajaxonbrown said:
This is disappointing. But I hope the Texans don't match that offer. It would kill our cap and we would have to just cut him when it's time to resign Carr.

On a side note: Anyone who thinks the Rams want Sharper is delirious. They just signed Coakley and Claiborne and are in love with Robert Thomas (who is only 24 and been starting for the past 2 seasons). So please...no more Pace for Sharper + 1st round pick talk.
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True, I dont know why anyone would put Sharper in the picture for Pace. Their already talking about possibly bringing Pisa back to the LB spot, but are probably gonna stick him at SS like they planned. I guess it depends how good Coakley and Claiborne prove in training camp, if they prove good Pisa will stay at SS. I don't see where Jamie would fit in this picture any where, as like you said, Ram's love their boy Robert Thomas. Just a sign of fans who like to throw out things they don't know what their talking about.
 
DoCt3rJ said:
True, I dont know why anyone would put Sharper in the picture for Pace. Their already talking about possibly bringing Pisa back to the LB spot, but are probably gonna stick him at SS like they planned. I guess it depends how good Coakley and Claiborne prove in training camp, if they prove good Pisa will stay at SS. I don't see where Jamie would fit in this picture any where, as like you said, Ram's love their boy Robert Thomas. Just a sign of fans who like to throw out things they don't know what their talking about.
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The talk of Sharper involvement has slowed but I wanted to put a stop to it before it resurfaced and I'd have to read it and shake my head again. Cool response though, I did not know Pisa had a chance to move into the front 7.
 
it cracks me up how people say that pace is at the end of his career just because he has or is about to turn 30. this was a calculated move where you were getting a proven commodity.

i least we weren't beltran-ed this time.
 
bubbajaxonbrown said:
The talk of Sharper involvement has slowed but I wanted to put a stop to it before it resurfaced and I'd have to read it and shake my head again. Cool response though, I did not know Pisa had a chance to move into the front 7.
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I saw it on kffl.com. Martz was talking about possibly putting him back, but he said they'll figure it out during training camp, and that he likes him at SS cause he feels he'd be a bigger playmaker.
 
Sounds like atleast we have some resolution after 400 posts! Time to move on and get back into draft mode.

Maybe sign some more DL depth, then think WR, OL, DL, CB in the draft.
 
I can't say I am overly disappointed. The price was too high even if he was a free agent signing (we had to give nothing).

Too many of the sacks last year came from rushes straight up the middle and then from Carr's inability to step up in the pocket.
Maybe it is McKinney, but I think fixing Weigerts position drastically improves the line. When Weigert was out his backups were ABUSED.

Wand and Pitts run blocking was adequate and should be substantially improved with a year under their belts.

Spend the money on defense. Defense wins Championships. Reference the colts and all the money and 1st round picks they have spent on offense. They can roll it up in the regular season but fall on their face in the playoffs.
 
I honestly did not want to pay Pace $50+ million but 30 is not old for an OL. Marco Rivera was older when he started his Pro-Bowl visits. Does anyone remember Bruce Matthews. He was old and still great. If there is a position other than K/P that a player can play into his late 30s, it's the O-Line. If he is that slow now, we could have even moved him in to G and then moved Pitts out to T.

I might be overthinking this though.
 
Texan Gal 312 said:
I can't say I am overly disappointed. The price was too high even if he was a free agent signing (we had to give nothing).

Too many of the sacks last year came from rushes straight up the middle and then from Carr's inability to step up in the pocket.
Maybe it is McKinney, but I think fixing Weigerts position drastically improves the line. When Weigert was out his backups were ABUSED.

Wand and Pitts run blocking was adequate and should be substantially improved with a year under their belts.

Spend the money on defense. Defense wins Championships. Reference the colts and all the money and 1st round picks they have spent on offense. They can roll it up in the regular season but fall on their face in the playoffs.
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If this line (which we are now stuck with again) continues to suck at pass protect.... and Carr continues to run for his life. I think you might rethink this Pace situation next year.
 
They also had more than 100 more passing attempts while giving up one more sack than us. 471 to 580
 
Tailgate said:
Time to move on and get back into draft mode.
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Absolutely. What would we have done over the next month and a half
without having the Draft to kick around ? And it's not the same being in the Draft if you don't have a first round pick. Actually I'm kinda relieved, I could
see giving up the one and maybe a 3, but that's it. Definitely not the 1 and 2
and there was discussion to give up 2 ones - wow, I'm relieved nothing like that happened ! Bring on the Draft !
 
It might have been nice to have Pace on the team but I didn't want us to sell out our future for it. I never like the idea of giving up draft picks, much less a first rounder + others. Oh, well. The Mysterious "THEY" say it takes an offensive lineman time to get up to the pro level play wise, so maybe our young linemen will yet turn into all pros.
 
nunusguy said:
Absolutely. What would we have done over the next month and a half
without having the Draft to kick around ? And it's not the same being in the Draft if you don't have a first round pick. Actually I'm kinda relieved, I could
see giving up the one and maybe a 3, but that's it. Definitely not the 1 and 2
and there was discussion to give up 2 ones - wow, I'm relieved nothing like that happened ! Bring on the Draft !
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The draft would have been boring for sure. But opening day seeing Pace run out of that tunnel would have been extremely awesome. Though for the right price.
 
Texan Gal 312 said:
I knew that was coming. Somehow I don't think we would be pleased with our line play at 11.6 attempts per sack. Would we ?
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Outside of Pace, the Rams line is garbage. Pace is one of the 10 best players in the entire NFL.
 
Texan Gal 312 said:
I knew that was coming. Somehow I don't think we would be pleased with our line play at 11.6 attempts per sack. Would we ?
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Did Pace play all 5 O-line positions at the same time for the Rams? They have had ORT problems off and on for a few years, even when Kyle Turley was in there. There is no doubt that Pace would have helped our line.
 
Texan Gal 312 said:
I knew that was coming. Somehow I don't think we would be pleased with our line play at 11.6 attempts per sack. Would we ?
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Well I bet Carr for one would have liked 41 sacks instead of 49--still not great but a lot better.
 
I've Got GOOD News and BAD NEWS

The GOOD News - You'll Still Get to See Pace Play. :thumbup

The BAD News - You'll Get to See Pace Play. :thumbdown



He used you guys. Do you feel cheap? Violated? :hmmm:
Shame on OP. :)
 
Team-Sport said:
I've Got GOOD News and BAD NEWS

The GOOD News - You'll Still Get to See Pace Play. :thumbup

The BAD News - You'll Get to See Pace Play. :thumbdown



He used you guys. Do you feel cheap? Violated? :hmmm:
Shame on OP. :)
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Man, I can tell you aren't the life of a party...your jokes aren't even funny...even if you're a rams fan.

Pace did play us, but he also played the Rams by doing it...yeah you get him back, but what exactly does that get you? another loss to the Eagles in the 2nd round?
 
I don't think we got used, you're the ones that got stuck with the $51 million price tag. LOL. Now are your fans singing about how overrated and fat he is?
 
SESupergenius said:
I don't think we got used, you're the ones that got stuck with the $51 million price tag. LOL. Now are your fans singing about how overrated and fat he is?
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Haha, they are singing about how he is the best LT in the NFL, and how he holds that team together. But when contract negotiations go out the door, he is the fattest slob in the world, and needs to get his fat *** out of st louis because hes just an OT
 
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