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Orlando Pace a Texan? | Day 1 Unfolds

I would not agree that Wand has far less talent than Wade. Wade regressed as the year went on last year. We do know that Wand costs far less than Wade, and that is important.
 
SESupergenius said:
All we need is someone to maintain Freeney. Wand is not that person, I think Freeney has the most sacks against him.
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The Patriots contained Freeney by using a tackle and a guard on him. If our center could block a DT, we could do that too.

If every OT that Freeney beat is bad, then there are a bunch of bad OTs in the league. Freeney is just very, very good. Give him some credit.
 
titan hater said:
Come on now! I was not saying that Wade is a god...He is good, no John Hannah, but good. Wand is far less a tallent then Wade!!! Plus, last I checked, the LT is more important to DC than the RT. :hmmm:
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Ah you didn't get it. I was making fun of "Rome wasn't built in a day." I was talking about Jim Rome, not the city. It was a bad joke.
 
TheOgre said:
Ah you didn't get it. I was making fun of "Rome wasn't built in a day." I was talking about Jim Rome, not the city. It was a bad joke.
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Stupid me!!! I'll come correct next time....Late...
 
Well, I just got through reading all the posts, after hearing about Pace being in town.

I'm sorry . . . the answer is no.

If he was 26 or 27 years old, maybe. But he's almost 30, just beginning the down side of his career, and he probably wants a 7 or 8 year deal . . in which he'll give us 3 years if . . . . if . . he stays healthy.

And to echo other people's thoughts, the problem on the OL wasn't LT, it was the interior.
 
Clone. Does anyone else think Rome is not that funny. I mean some of the shows are cool but for other broadcasters to copy his style?? He isn't that funny. And if I hear one more wannabe Rome reading local emails I am going to get Sirius on them.
 
Runner said:
The Patriots contained Freeney by using a tackle and a guard on him. If our center could block a DT, we could do that too.

If every OT that Freeney beat is bad, then there are a bunch of bad OTs in the league. Freeney is just very, very good. Give him some credit.
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The Patriots used several different ways to contain Freeney. At times they'd put two TEs over on the side that Freeney is on to make him have to go that much farther to get to Brady. They also used a WR and OT to bracket him. The WR was in the slot in the spread formation with 3 WRs on oneside (with Freeney) and one WR on the other. Then at the snap the LT came up to meet Freeney and the WR came up to engage Freeney as well. The LT kept Freeney from spinning to the inside and the WR kept him from going around the corner to get Brady. You've got to open up the playbook if you want to contain Freeney especially with him switching from RDE to LDE on any given play. Keep him and the Colts on their toes and you'll be able to beat them.
 
Marcus said:
Well, I just got through reading all the posts, after hearing about Pace being in town.

I'm sorry . . . the answer is no.

If he was 26 or 27 years old, maybe. But he's almost 30, just beginning the down side of his career, and he probably wants a 7 or 8 year deal . . in which he'll give us 3 years if . . . . if . . he stays healthy.

And to echo other people's thoughts, the problem on the OL wasn't LT, it was the interior.
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I tend to look at players in 4-5 year windows. Did you know that there are only 19 players on the Patriots roster that have been there for all of the the last 4 years of their 3 of 4 Super Bowl run? A lineman is in him prime from around 27 till about 33 for the most part, so we should get a good 4-5 years out of him. After that, who cares? I bet a good majority of the players we see here today are not on the team 6 years from now.
 
twinkletwinkle said:
And if I hear one more wannabe Rome reading local emails I am going to get Sirius on them.
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Why don't you just bite the bullet and get Sirius. I listen to NFL Siriius Radio, and it blows away anything else on. If you're an NFL junkie going through offseason withdrawal, you're nuts if you don't get it. :thumbup
 
As much as I hate to see us give up a 1st rounder, Id say do it. You know David would be much more confident in the pocket knowing Pace was watching his blind side. The 1st, Sharper, Wand trade seems reasonable, but in no way would I ever want Dunta included on any trade, period. The idea of giving up Wade instead of Seth is intriguing, but I dont think that'll happen. If they dont want Wand, then we may throw in one of our 3rd rounders.
 
If this does not happen every time Carr gets sacked we are going to be telling ourselves that we should have picked him up. DO IT!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup
 
almost 30, too expensive, and we need our 1st rounder. if you guys havent noticed, if u win more, ur pick gets lower. these are the years we get the guys to build the team around. when we start winning games and get like the 20th pick, it wont nearly be as nice as a 13th
 
I will get Sirius, dont worry, just waiting on the new decks to come out. As for the guy who thinks Pace is too old, I am from Houston and being from Houston I remember guys like Bruce Matthews and Mike Munchek playing till they were 45. O liners can play for a while.
 
Vinny said:
I tend to look at players in 4-5 year windows. Did you know that there are only 19 players on the Patriots roster that have been there for all of the the last 4 years of their 3 of 4 Super Bowl run? A lineman is in him prime from around 27 till about 33 for the most part, so we should get a good 4-5 years out of him. After that, who cares? I bet a good majority of the players we see here today are not on the team 6 years from now.
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I just hope he's worth the price . . . because it's gonna be huge.
 
As much as I want that line fixed, I don't want it at this price. . . He's too old, to expensive, and is going to take our first round pick and a player, if not two. . . Why does it seem like we like to overpay players!
 
First of all, this is an excellent forum. Much better than the POS Rams Forum I'm a regular in. (http://forums.stltoday.com/viewforum.php?f=15) We have about ZERO Moderation.

As far as my fellow Rams Fan jermaine133's comments, a player has to have a contract to 'hold out', so - technically, Pace has never done that. Since you will have him long-term, that will not be an issue.

Why would the Rams do this deal? We have holes to fill, too. (I noticed you also have a need for an ORT.) It would be nice to keep OP, and fill all the holes, but it is difficult to always push the right button.

I'd gladly take your #1 pick in 2005 and Mr. Wand.
jermaine133 said:
HI everyone i am a rams fan, but not a troll. I got word on our message board that there is a possible Trade in the making between your texans and my rams?? who are you all willing to give up for Pace, im just wondering because i can't seem to find any links to the info. AND BY THE WAY..BEWARE, OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE GETTING INTO, PACE HAS HELD US HOSTAGE FOR THE LAST 3 SEASONS...IF YOU DON'T THROW ANY MONEY ON THE TABLE HIS FAT ***** WILL HOLD OUT ON TRAINING CAMP!
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The one bad thing (well sort of) is that if this goes through is that the draft loses some value. I guess we would look at Pace as our 1st round pick. This will be the equivalent to getting to open 1 Christmas present on Thanksgiving and it happens to be your best gift. It is great in one sense, but it takes away from the lure of Christmas (the Draft).
 
Porky said:
To me, there are only three untouchables on this team for this trade. Carr, AJ, and Dunta Robinson. Everyone else is on the table if I am playing GM. That would be one of the few trade scenerios that I say an easy no to. :thumbdown
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And what about DD. Would you offer him for Pace? I wouldn't, for sure!!!
 
Huge signing. I hope that it happens. What is it worth to protect Carr's blind side? Shoot fellas - if it comes to it - it's worth 2 first rounders.
 
I'll reserve judgement until I see what the Texans have to give up to get him.

From what Charlie has said...he thinks there is depth in this draft but not alot of separation at the top. So if that is true, I see the Texans giving up their #13 pick (Sharper or a pick next year) for a pro bowl LT.

Maybe we can also throw in McKinney and a Texas steak with the deal :)
 
Does anyone have Pace's numbers from this year and last? I know you can find it at nfl.com but i'm too lazy..
 
It sounds like something Pace would do (hold out). For simplicity sake, say we sign Pace to a 5 year deal. Let's say Carr only gets sacked 20 times next year. Pace will think that he was a major cause for the line's success, so he will in effect want more money (contract renegotiation). He can hold out in that sense. It's not something I would put past the guy since people in STL are saying he is a "me first" player. I think he will demand too much and the Texans will not go through with it. I know the line needs MAJOR help, but at that cost, it can turn ugly in the next few years. Even if he gets injured, that's money locked up for nothing. I would much rather see DJ come to the team, but I doubt that will happen also. I am a David Carr fan, so I know Pace would add much needed help and probably give Carr another 2 years in his career.


It's just a matter of weighing the odds, and meeting with Pace to see what kind of guy he is like.

CC is a smart enough person not to bring in someone that will take the Texans off their course.
 
Its all about what we give up for him. If we can package Sharper and Wand along with a 3rd or second rounder i'd be favorable to that, but i'm partial to keeping our first round pick there will be alot of talent available at 13.

Putting Pace into the fold and retaining our first round pick will allow us to possibly draft a TE or WR with our first rounder or if one of the top RBs drops, or one of the top LBs. but the point is we will have many many more options.
 
Nawzer said:
Does anyone have Pace's numbers from this year and last? I know you can find it at nfl.com but i'm too lazy..
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5, 4 and 2 sacks over the last three seasons.

For those contemplating trading Wade, give it up because it ain't happening. All of the remaining un-prorated signing bonus would be dead money on the cap if he was traded. Just don't think it is realistic that the Texans would have $8 mil of dead money.
 
I'm not sure if this is a great idea. I'm mean I would love to have Pace but not at that cost. We have to give up our #1 AND and player on our roster just to get him. I know he's the best left tackle in football but we really need to give Wand a chance to grow and concentrate on our defense. In case anyone has noticed, our linebacking core is depleting! We got nothing for Foreman(like we were gonna get much anyway) and Sharper is gonna be outta here any second. So now were gonna end up with two linebackers, one that played outside now moving inside and one inside but was a back up last year. Grant it, Polk was a pretty good back up but I still would like to see a young, super-athlete like DJ or Marrian. Like I said, I would love to have Pace but I'm not sure if it's the right time.
 
Dunta_23 said:
I say

Orlando Pace
Steven Jackson
for
Jamie Sharper
Seth Wand
Domanick Davis
3rd Round pick(s)
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I hope this is a joke. That would be like the Rams offering:

Faulk
Coakley
for
Dunta Robinson
Robaire Smith
 
I say

Orlando Pace
Steven Jackson
for
Jamie Sharper
Seth Wand
Domanick Davis
3rd Round pick(s)
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No chance we give up Jackson.

How many speed rushing RDE's will you be facing next season? Do you play the Falcons?

Mr. Pace has serious troubles with both.

The consensus on our RAMS forum is your #1, Wand and Sharper. I don't think Casserly will do that deal however.

Coach LAG
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Go long and we'll fake it to you.
 
TexansFan#80 said:
And what about DD. Would you offer him for Pace? I wouldn't, for sure!!!
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Of course I would...If the Rams wanted a RB, which they don't, I'd be all over that...
 
the consensus here is Wand, Sharper and a 3rd rounder. so we could probaly meet half way i wouldn't be too upset.

I think Pace will come cheaper than alot expect, although expensive he wont be looking at the huge signing bonus back when he had his previous agents (the Poston brothers) now he has an Agent that is more available to make a deal. Also he made those huge contract demands back when he was 27 and 28 years old he is 30 now and his contract will reflect that.
 
jacquescas said:
the consensus here is Wand, Sharper and a 3rd rounder. so we could probaly meet half way i wouldn't be too upset.
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That would be a steal for us, but doesnt the league require us to give up 2 1st round picks for a franchised player of pace's stature?
 
ramsman34 said:
No chance we give up Jackson.

How many speed rushing RDE's will you be facing next season? Do you play the Falcons?

Mr. Pace has serious troubles with both.

The consensus on our RAMS forum is your #1, Wand and Sharper. I don't think Casserly will do that deal however.
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I'm not sure exactly how many we'll be facing, but we do go against Freeney twice a year...

As far as prospective trades, what about our 1st, Sharper, and a 3rd for Pace? I'd like to keep Wand for depth in case Pace or Wade go down with an injury...
 
Look I'd like to get him but I don't think I'm ready to give up Wand yet. Didn't he play Guard in college? Really our problem was inside on the left side and not the LT.
Could we get Pace and move Wand inside? Might be a bit of an experiment, but our OL would be HUUUUGE between Pace, Wand and Wade especially.
 
Wow, I get home from school to find this huge story :woot We should definitely jump at this opportunity to grab Pace. Though he is rather old and expensive, he is arguably the best LT in the NFL today and would add so much not only to our O-line, but to our offense. I'd be gladly willing to give up our 1st rounder plus any other picks or players to snag Pace.
 
On the Rams Message Boards:
BTW, some of these trade scenario's are just outright hilarious.
Pigskin Pete:
I say the Rams get the #13 pick overall, and (OT) Seth Wand, who the Rams supposedly wanted to draft a couple years ago.
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bigtiger:
What do you guys think of maybe a 1st round pick and then getting Jason Babin?? We were looking at him pretty good last year in the draft and his naturaul position is at LE we culd get him and put him back in the trenches and have 2 great pass rushers assuming Little gets off in court?
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Psycho-X:
I like the sound of Dunta Robinson but I doubt the Rams are worrying about a CB in a trade when there are so many that they will be able to get in the draft. Plus I doubt the Texans would give up such a young player like that.

In my opinion, what the Rams want is either Seth Payne or Jamie Sharper. Sharper is a no brainer because the Texans have been trying to trade him for weeks now. Sharper is a MLB in Houston but I''m pretty sure he played outside at Baltimroe didn''t he? If not he has the ability since he is 6''3'' and 240 lbs which is perfect size for the outside and he could play inside on passing downs.

Imagine Sharper, Claiborne, and Coakley at LB.... sweet.

The other one I thought about was Seth Payne. the Rams have openly said that they want a run stuffing nose tackle in either a trade or free agency... thus the Zgonina rumors. This would fix them having to try and get Zgonina. And it would give a nice rotation at DT with him, Kennedy, and Pickett.

One of these players and their first rounder would make me happy.
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It would be a great deal if it gets done.

I have a question though...

Why do we have to trade for him if he is just under a one year deal? Wont he be a free agent if the Rams dont resign him? I am just uncertain how that works out with the franchise tag going into the next season. Thanks to anyone who can clear that up. I dont want to see our 1st round pick going but if its to get someone like Pace it is worth it.
 
jacquescas said:
If we can package Sharper and Wand along with a 3rd or second rounder i'd be favorable to that, but i'm partial to keeping our first round pick there will be alot of talent available at 13.
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The old bromide "can't have your cake and eat it to" - I thought of that when
you suggested no deal if we have to part with our top pick. I would say thats
what it takes for us to open the bidding on this deal - I just hope they don't
part with anymore picks.
 
AlexVanderpool said:
That would be a steal for us, but doesnt the league require us to give up 2 1st round picks for a franchised player of pace's stature?
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Only if we sign him without a trade. If we set up a trade with the Rams, it can be for just about anything. It could be 7 1st round picks or whatever.

I have wondered though. How far in advance can you trade picks? Could you trade or 2015 1st round pick for something? Not that it is worth much in current value.
 
texansfan1974 said:
if we payed greenwood all that money then why wouldnt we pay big bucks for PACE? :hmmm:
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The salary cap wouldn't allow us to pay all that money. If you like Andre Johnson/Dunta Robinson/David Carr then you would be a little concerned about how much Pace will recieve.
 
TheOgre said:
I have wondered though. How far in advance can you trade picks? Could you trade or 2015 1st round pick for something? Not that it is worth much in current value.
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Thats it! We can just give them 8 first round picks, from 2480-2488! We will be dead, and the planet will have imploded by then.

jk
 
I hate giving up first day picks too, especially since we draft considerably well. I mean when you think about the successes versus the failures so far we've had some good luck.
That being said, outside of Carr/Andre/Robinson/Babin I could be interested by any offer they'd have. Oh and please don't give up Peek. :whistle:
 
Carr - 49
Bulger - 50

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Not to defend the Rams O-Line(they were horrible IMHO) however, The Rams had 580 pass attempts vs The Texans 471. 109 more chances to get sacked or

Rams 11.6 attempts per sack

Texans 9.6 attempts per sack
 
I think Pace will come cheaper than alot expect, although expensive he wont be looking at the huge signing bonus back when he had his previous agents (the Poston brothers) now he has an Agent that is more available to make a deal. Also he made those huge contract demands back when he was 27 and 28 years old he is 30 now and his contract will reflect that.
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If he didn't have high contract demands we're not even discussing this. It's his contract demands which the RAMS can't/won't afford that are driving this trade talk. Ig he would sign a long term deal in line with a 30 yr old LT, albeit a por bowler, we would sign him. Now the RAMS may be tired of him this ongoing saga and let him go for less than market value, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Your #1 and a starter and a later round pick might get the deal done or 2 starters and your #1.
 
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