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Orlando Pace a Texan? | Day 1 Unfolds

jermaine133 said:
HI everyone i am a rams fan, but not a troll. I got word on our message board that there is a possible Trade in the making between your texans and my rams?? who are you all willing to give up for Pace, im just wondering because i can't seem to find any links to the info. AND BY THE WAY..BEWARE, OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE GETTING INTO, PACE HAS HELD US HOSTAGE FOR THE LAST 3 SEASONS...IF YOU DON'T THROW ANY MONEY ON THE TABLE HIS FAT ***** WILL HOLD OUT ON TRAINING CAMP!
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If this trade goes down, Pace will have his money. So noworries on that front.
 
From what ive heard and read the rams are looking for a 1st round pick. The texans have given jamie sharper and jay foreman permission to seek trades. Whether the texans have offered sharper or foreman, i dont know. But since pace is in houston, i doubt he came just to attend the rodeo. So im assuming the texans are for giving up that #1 the rams are looking for, and maybe jamie sharper. or foreman.
 
DC_ROCK said:
Well if we trade for him, we will sign him to a long term deal. So he wont have to hold out.
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tru tru..but we have tried to sign him long term. we even put a 40mil offer on the table for fat azz..and he rejected it. This guy even fired his agents as a scape goat. But if this trade do go down we will have to have a #1 pick if that is the case, i do tell you all this tho, your Oline will be better with him, as for our Oline needs Youth, we will prolly try to get Alex Barron or Brown, then go after that DE, or S that we need.
 
jermaine133 said:
tru tru..but we have tried to sign him long term. we even put a 40mil offer on the table for fat azz..and he rejected it. This guy even fired his agents as a scape goat. But if this trade do go down we will have to have a #1 pick if that is the case, i do tell you all this tho, your Oline will be better with him, as for our Oline needs Youth, we will prolly try to get Alex Barron or Brown, then go after that DE, or S that we need.
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Weren't his agents the Postons? Firing those knuckle heads hardly qualifies as a bad thing.
 
Houston just released its second player today while Pace is in town. Foreman clears $2,210,000 and $3,140,000 of salary off the books as well for the next two years. I'm starting to think we are clearing out some cap space for this possible Pace signing. Eric Brown had salaries of $1,710,000 and $2,940,000 for this year and next. Glenn Earl is the starter so I anticipated his release, but coming today, with all this big news in Houston gives me some pause. I have my fingers crossed.
 
yea that was a start firing the postons i heard those guys have bad reps...serious money grubbers, by the way how much are the texans under the cap??..i kno rite now we have like 3-5 mil left., after pace will free up bout 8 or 9 possibly if we deal him.
 
The trade hasn't gone down yet, the article mentions that Pace is willing to look around. He is a franchise caliber left tackle and we could definitely use him on our team. I'm just not so sure on what we have to give up for him. Casserly has said that he wants to build the team around the draft and not sign expensive free agents. But this is a special case and I guess we can bend the rules just this one time. With Foreman being released today I think Sharper will be traded. If this trade does go down I will be happy but I'll also be wary of Pace's attitude. He has been a problem for the Rams for sometime now.
 
Vinny said:
Houston just released its second player today while Pace is in town. Foreman clears $2,210,000 and $3,140,000 of salary off the books as well for the next two years. I'm starting to think we are clearing out some cap space for this possible Pace signing. Eric Brown had salaries of $1,710,000 and $2,940,000 for this year and next. Glenn Earl is the starter so I anticipated his release, but coming today, with all this big news in Houston gives me some pause. I have my fingers crossed.
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Wasnt the Foreman release just a matter of time??? Maybe this new "scenario" is what fueled them for today's release. Hmmm
 
Nawzer said:
The trade hasn't gone down yet, the article mentions that Pace is willing to look around. He is a franchise caliber left tackle and we could definitely use him on our team. I'm just not so sure on what we have to give up for him. Casserly has said that he wants to build the team around the draft and not sign expensive free agents. But this is a special case and I guess we can bend the rules just this one time. With Foreman being released today I think Sharper will be traded. If this trade does go down I will be happy but I'll also be wary of Pace's attitude. He has been a problem for the Rams for sometime now.
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we need some attitude on this team every one here is just to nice.
 
Nawzer said:
The trade hasn't gone down yet, the article mentions that Pace is willing to look around. He is a franchise caliber left tackle and we could definitely use him on our team. I'm just not so sure on what we have to give up for him. Casserly has said that he wants to build the team around the draft and not sign expensive free agents. But this is a special case and I guess we can bend the rules just this one time. With Foreman being released today I think Sharper will be traded. If this trade does go down I will be happy but I'll also be wary of Pace's attitude. He has been a problem for the Rams for sometime now.
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Chron.com:
``We are in discussions with the Rams,'' Texans vice president of communications Tony Wyllie said. ``Orlando and his agent are visiting Houston, but we won't have an announcement until the appropriate time.``


Translation: We only have a coule of small issues to take care of. Welcome to H-Town OP!!!!!! :thumbup
 
texansfan1974 said:
we need some attitude on this team every one here is just to nice.
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easy texasfan, i dont think that is the kind of attitude you want on your team, he is a "me first" player, who holds out on training camp if he does not have his so called deal. if your team needs money to get players this is the type of guy that wont restructure a contract or try to sign a long term..yah thas attitude...
 
jermaine133 said:
easy texasfan, i dont think that is the kind of attitude you want on your team, he is a "me first" player, who holds out on training camp if he does not have his so called deal. if your team needs money to get players this is the type of guy that wont restructure a contract or try to sign a long term..yah thas attitude...
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Players dont like to be franchised. Especially 3 times in a row! That is why he is pissed at the Rams. He wants a long term deal. Not a yearly sallary, where if he gets hurt, and his career is over, no big deal to the rams, the can just send him packing. So im not surprised that he, or any other player with the franchise tag holds out.

Players hate the franchise tag. period.
 
jermaine133 said:
easy texasfan, i dont think that is the kind of attitude you want on your team, he is a "me first" player, who holds out on training camp if he does not have his so called deal. if your team needs money to get players this is the type of guy that wont restructure a contract or try to sign a long term..yah thas attitude...
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In the NFL, I wouldn't criticise a player too much for holding out during contract negotiations. When a team places the F-tag on a player, that is just a prelude to some bad negotiations. I don't know the details of the Pace negotiations, but what I do know is that most of that stuff dealt with the Postsons and obviously Pace wasn't happy with the job they were doing so they were fired.

This next contract will likely be Pace's last real chance at big money. Once he is paid, he should not be a problem. Its just a matter of who is gonna be paying him.

Other than the contract thing, what else makes him a "me first" player?
 
I don't think it's gonna happen, but if it does it gets a :thumbup from me :cool:

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Oh, and I hope we don't have to give up our first round pick for Pace :(
 
LikeABoss said:
Oh, and I hope we don't have to give up our first round pick for Pace :(
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To get a top 5 Left Tackle you've got to give something up. There isn't a better player at #13 than Orlando Pace. If it takes a 1st and a 3rd, i'd do it in a heartbeat.
 
I just fear this will cost entirely too much. An 8-year vetern LT knocking on 30 years old with a questionable attitude...who is insistant on a long-term deal (at least 4 years or more) would be a bad move on our part. Give WAND another year. Our sack issues were caused up the middle...not the Tackles!

And if they're saying give up Wand, Sharper & a first! That's NUTS! :shocked

Don't get me wrong...I'm a firm believer that the O-Line is VITAL. So why not Trade Sharper for a pick this year and get Baas, Brown or Spencer for our new Center. And let Brown, McKinney, Pitts & Weigert fight it out for the starting Guard spots (assuming the Rookie-C earns the starting nod).

That way we can use our 1st on the best available WR (if DJ is gone). Or perhaps even a stud CB to eventually replace Glenn.
 
texansfan1974 said:
yea but 30 is young for the oline
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u r correct, sir!!! can anyone remember Bob Young...Dude played till he was 43!!! Of course, part of that was in the USFL....But I digress...30 is young for an o-linemen...
 
This is a no-brainer. I would give them Sharper, Wand, and our #1. As important as what we give up in personell is his contract. Yes, he will command large dollars, but we just need to make sure we don't "give him whatever he wants". There is a balancing act with all of this, and I am sure that Casserly is on top of it. To me, there is not another player available via trade, FA, or the draft, that would impact the Texans more in 2005 than Pace. If the deal can be struck with the Rams, and he accepts a "reasonable" (fill in your own figure) contract, then this is the all time no-brainer of no-brainers. :thumbup
 
Porky said:
This is a no-brainer. I would give them Sharper, Wand, and our #1. As important as what we give up in personell is his contract. Yes, he will command large dollars, but we just need to make sure we don't "give him whatever he wants". There is a balancing act with all of this, and I am sure that Casserly is on top of it. To me, there is not another player available via trade, FA, or the draft, that would impact the Texans more in 2005 than Pace. If the deal can be struck with the Rams, and he accepts a "reasonable" (fill in your own figure) contract, then this is the all time no-brainer of no-brainers. :thumbup
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Very well put!!!! :thumbup
 
At home on lunch break watching ESPN *grin*. Just saw that Orlando Pace is meeting with the Texans. I don't want to get everyones hopes up, but this would be a vast improvement to our O-Line. :thumbup
 
if we can get pace by sending Wand, Sharper and a 3rd rounder. that would be sweet.
we'd still have a pick in every round.
 
How about this? Move Wand to right tackle and put Wade in the package for Pace. Wand is far cheaper and is certainly good enough for right tackle - he did well there his rookie year when he subbed for an injury. The experience of playing LT last year would serve Wand well on the right side. I think Wade was overpaid last year even before being slowed by injury.

Then when Pace is gone the Texans have groomed his replacemnt and Wand moves back to left tackle.
 
I wouldn't doubt if Wand or Wade went in the deal. The Rams are hurting (literally and figuratively) at OT if they trade Pace.
 
twinkletwinkle said:
This is so sweet. Maybe we can pick up a Mark Clayton in the 2nd round. Anyone know where we are in the 2nd?
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Round #2 47 Houston

Round #3 73 Houston from Dallas
Round #3 78 Houston
 
titan hater said:
I forgot...How did we get Dallas' #3?
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QB Drew Henson to the boys. We drafted him in the 6th round. Huge gamble, since we didnt even know if he was going to play football. But it worked out.
 
I just saw on the ESPN Rams Forum ....... the Rams fans talking about us giving them Dunta and our 1st round pick ......... that is HILARIOUS . :woot

I really do hope we can pull something off to get Pace . It would definately change the whole outlook for this team next year . Maybe then we will get to see what David can do when he has some protection . :thumbup
 
DC_ROCK said:
QB Drew Henson to the boys. We drafted him in the 6th round. Huge gamble, since we didnt even know if he was going to play football. But it worked out.
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CC is a very smart guy...As far as trading Wand or Wade goes...I think if we can get away with trading Wand rather than Wade we will do much better. Wade is a proven vet! I know last year was not that great for Wade but please remember that the line started the zone blocking. You must allow them time to adjust to it....Rome was not built in a day!!!
 
Negative Jesus said:
I just saw on the ESPN Rams Forum ....... the Rams fans talking about us giving them Dunta and our 1st round pick ......... that is HILARIOUS . :woot

I really do hope we can pull something off to get Pace . It would definately change the whole outlook for this team next year . Maybe then we will get to see what David can do when he has some protection . :thumbup
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To me, there are only three untouchables on this team for this trade. Carr, AJ, and Dunta Robinson. Everyone else is on the table if I am playing GM. That would be one of the few trade scenerios that I say an easy no to. :thumbdown
 
TheOgre said:
I thought he was born just like the rest of us. I didn't know he was a god.
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Come on now! I was not saying that Wade is a god...He is good, no John Hannah, but good. Wand is far less a tallent then Wade!!! Plus, last I checked, the LT is more important to DC than the RT. :hmmm:
 
All we need is someone to maintain Freeney. Wand is not that person, I think Freeney has the most sacks against him.
 
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