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One thing DC has ---- accuracy

eriadoc said:
People can keep harping on the dink and dunk stuff, but prior to this game, Carr was averaging a bit over 7 yards per pass attempt. He's now averaging 6.89, which is tied with Tom Brady. Eli Manning has 7.18, Carson Palmer has 7.26, and Rivers has 7.31, for example. Manning has the most, from my cursory examination, with 8.02.

The offense calls for Carr to dink and dunk his way down the field and then get a couple long strikes a game. For the most part this season, he's done that. There are a lot of things for which to criticize Carr, but completion percentage is not one of them.
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Here are the more detailed stats of the players you mentioned through Week 8.

Player- Yards- Attempts - Completion- TD- INT
Brady- 1598- 232- 135- 14- 4
E. Manning- 1672- 233- 143- 14- 8
Palmer- 1684- 232- 146- 11- 4
Rivers- 1536- 210- 139- 10 3
P. Manning- 1965- 245- 163- 15- 2
David Carr- 1330- 193- 136- 9- 5

The average yards per game are:
Player- Avg. Yards per game
Brady- 228
E. Manning- 239
Palmer- 240
Rivers- 219
P. Manning- 281
David Carr- 190

Average attempts and completions per game:
Player- Avg. att per game- Avg. Comp. per game
Brady 33 19
E. Manning 33 20
Palmer 33 21
Rivers 30 200
P. Manning 35 23
David Carr 28 19

Then average yards per attemp, completion, and overall completion percentage:
Player- Avg. yards per attempt - Avg. yards per completion - Overall completion percentage
Brady 6.89 11.84 0.58%
E. Manning 7.18 11.69 0.61%
Palmer 7.26 11.53 0.63%
Rivers 7.31 11.05 0.66%
P. Manning 8.02 12.06 0.67%
David Carr 6.89 9.78 0.70%

Carr throws a lot less than the players you compare him to, and consequently has less yards. But, Carr completes on a percentage more of his passes. If his completion percentage drops, the number you hail so much will fall like a brick.

You are taking one stat and blowing it out of proportion. That is point here if you look at the complete stats.

Just watching the games, there is no way you can compare Carr to any of those players regardless of his average yards per attempt.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Just watching the games, there is no way you can compare Carr to any of those players regardless of his average yards per attempt.
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Im not going to speak for anyone else, but the argument started because someone basically said that Carr's completions were mostly dinks and dunks...

Well his average yards/attempt is about average with the rest of the leauge...All that other stuff doesn't matter...
 
kcwilson said:
Carr is simply executing what the offense is designed to do... short accurate passing. No single stat exists on its own merit, it has to be relative to other categories like YPA, RUn after the catch, and so on.

So whether his completion % is misleading or not, he is executing what is being asked of him. I think he could take a shot or two more downfield per game, but as the Texans have shown, if they are not third and short, then they have a hard time picking up first downs.

Jacksonville game had the down field spread... and Rosenfels got to spread it after the Texans were getting their ***** handed to them. Never heard anyone complain that Rosenfels was playing from way behind and got the soft defense like Carr did against Indy.

I support Carr and expect him to come out and execute each week, especially this week... it will show what kind of character and leadership he has in the locker room.
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Well then, it seems like the gameplan isn't putting the team in the best position to win the game then. With that gameplan, they are not going to score enough points against the Giants next Sunday.

Maybe Kubiak isn't as good a coach as we thought?

I don't think so, the Texans still haven't executed the 2 minute drill yet and some of the play calling has been horrible. I think the reason is personnel and probably the biggest reason is David Carr.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm not sure what attempts and TD's have to do with this discussion...

I never said David threw the ball down the field a lot...I never even said he was a good QB...

Someone said his completion percentage was skewed because most of his completions are dinks and dunks....

Well he is gaining about average yardage on his completions...If we are talking about completion percentage, and HOW/WHY he is completing those passes..........incomplete passes, attempts, and TD's don't have anything to do with this

How about his completion percentage is higher this year because he actually got a little better...We actually got a coach that understands his strengths and plays to them.....How about that ?
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Attempts have everything to do with YPA(yards per attempt) & completion percentage. Those QBs are throwing the ball more, they have more incompletions, so their Completion percentage is going to be lower. & their YPA is going to come down. So while Carr might look to be in their league, he isn't.

Yards per completion will tell you where he is throwing the ball in relation.

InfantryCak pointed to a link showing the YAC number, which would make you think some QBs are making a living doing the same thing Carr is, but that is also misleading. When Delhomme hits SteveSmith on the sideline at the 50, and he takes it to the endzone, it is counted as YAC.... but it is not the same thing as David throwing the ball 5 yards in front of him, to AJ or Owen, and them having to break a few tackles to pick up the 1st down.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Well his average yards/attempt is about average with the rest of the leauge...All that other stuff doesn't matter...
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Mathematically, his average is going to be higher than normal because he has a higher completion percentage.

The guys he is being compared to have a lot more attempts, so those guys must be actually throwing for more yards per throw that are actually completed because they have the same average or better.

It is a simple formula.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Mathematically, his average is going to be higher than normal because he has a higher completion percentage.

The guys he is being compared to have a lot more attempts, so those guys must be actually throwing for more yards per throw that are actually completed because they have the same average or better.

It is a simple formula.
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Yes, as I pointed out above, Carr is averaging about 9.8 yards per completion, whereas all those other QBs are around 11.5. McNabb is at a ridiculous 14.x yards per completion. I understand completely what you're saying, and that wasn't what I was attempting to point out.

At any rate, I've lost interest. Carry on, folks.
 
thunderkyss said:
Attempts have everything to do with YPA(yards per attempt) & completion percentage. Those QBs are throwing the ball more, they have more incompletions, so their Completion percentage is going to be lower. & their YPA is going to come down. So while Carr might look to be in their league, he isn't.
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I never said David was in anybody's leauge....

And it's fine to say that his completion percentage is high because he isn't throwing as many passes....I never argued that....

I said that the length of his receptions has nothing to do with his completetion percentage....
 
eriadoc said:
Yes, as I pointed out above, Carr is averaging about 9.8 yards per completion, whereas all those other QBs are around 11.5. McNabb is at a ridiculous 14.x yards per completion. I understand completely what you're saying, and that wasn't what I was attempting to point out.

At any rate, I've lost interest. Carry on, folks.
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Sorry about that, I woke up a little punchy today.

I was just trying to give a more complete perspective.
 
gtexan02 said:
Just thought it was interesting that he's still leading the league in completion percentage. 70% is pretty dang good. I think he has the ability, he just needs the mentality. And that can be coached. Thats why kubiak is sticking with him imo
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I think that's obvious. He definitely has a better arm than Sage, and that's why he was a #1 pick while Sage has been a backup all his life. One thing Sage does have over Carr is pocket presence, and I think that makes a huge difference. That's how 6th round pick Tom Brady became who he is today. He would have gone higher if he had that big-time NFL arm people wanted.

But yeah, Carr had a bad game. He's our money guy, let's give him a chance to respond.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Mathematically, his average is going to be higher than normal because he has a higher completion percentage.

The guys he is being compared to have a lot more attempts, so those guys must be actually throwing for more yards per throw that are actually completed because they have the same average or better.

It is a simple formula.
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Again...I never argued that he was as good as those guys....

I said that the average length of his completions doesn't have anything to do with his completion percentage...

The argument goes both ways...You can say if David threw more passes he'd throw more incompletions....but you can also say that he'd throw more completions....

Again Im not understanding what any of that has to do with the length of his average pass.....

Those other guys have more incompletions to divide into, but at the same time they have more completions....If you are saying that his numbers would go down if he attempted more passes, thats understandable....speculation, but understandable....
 
eriadoc said:
Yes, as I pointed out above, Carr is averaging about 9.8 yards per completion, whereas all those other QBs are around 11.5. McNabb is at a ridiculous 14.x yards per completion. I understand completely what you're saying, and that wasn't what I was attempting to point out.
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bingo.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Again Im not understanding what any of that has to do with the length of his average pass.....
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Because it is not the length of his average pass that you are giving us. You are showing his avg yards per attempt.

xtruroyaltyx said:
Someone said his completion percentage was skewed because most of his completions are dinks and dunks....

Well he is gaining about average yardage on his completions...........If we are talking about completion percentage, and HOW/WHY he is completing those passes..........incomplete passes, attempts, and TD's don't have anything to do with this
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He's completing Dinks & Dunks.. they are easier to catch, than the balls further downfield. He is also throwing the ball alot less than the other guys who have lower percentages, but still more YPA.....

It is easier to get a completion when you are throwing to a stationary RB in the flat, or over his shoulder, than it is to complete a pass to someone with one on one coverage, or moving across the field 15 yards down the field.

For this years probowl, they'll have what they call the QB shoot out. part of that will be a contest where they'll throw some balls at a stationary target 5 yards, 10 yards, and 20 yards away, then I think a moving target 15 yards away. For the most part, they all will be able to hit that 5 yard target, and they'll probably all hit that 10 yard stationary target(they are all pros after all) but it would be rare, if any of them hit the 20 & the 15 yard moving target consistently.
 
infantrycak said:
Here is one folks talk about all the time--how much of various QB's yardage is made up of Yards After Catch. It would be more useful if they would do it as a % of passing yards.
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As always, iCak, you've given us an interesting site--below, I'm throwing out some #'s that compare Carr with Brady and Manning on a few things--later I'll post Carr's #'s against a couple of the lower tier QBs in the league--DONE

YAC as a % of Total Yds Passing

CARR 583/1330 43%
Manning 605/1965 30.8%
BRADY 527/1598 33.0%
Leftwich 641/1159 55.3%
SMITH 703/1431 49.1%

TDs vs INT (#/%)

CARR 9/4.7% 5/2.6%
Manning 23/6.1% 2/0.8%
BRADY 21/6.0% 4/1.7%
Leftwich 7/3.8% 5/2.7%
Smith 9/4.3% 5/2.4%

From these percentages, while Carr does not lead the league in 'dink/dunking,' he's in the lower tier with QBs that get a lot of their total passing yds from YAC.

Carr also has a low TD ratio and a high INT ratio, both lower tier #'s.

Of course, a big part of the WC Offense is short 'high percentage' passes that get YAC but,IMO, Carr will need to stretch the field to increase his TDs--which,of course, would be great.

Ironically, on Sunday, Sage lowered his ypa/ypc on 2 of his TD throws to Daniels of 1 and 2 yds but-IMO-stretching the field put the team in the position to get those short TDs. Too, it was nice to see Kubiak call for those passes on short and goal after the 'fiasco' we had a couple of weeks ago trying to run it in from the 1 yd line. 'Hard' headed Capers would have stuck with the run, just needing to 'execute.'

JMO, but evaluating a player's performance soley on stats--as others have pointed out--can be a 'catch-22' situation...sometimes a good measurement and sometimes not. Bill Belechick has 1 primary goal going into a game--'whatever' it takes to win--and he game plans for one game at a time, and no other coach makes quicker or more effective adjustments to that plan during the game. Last night on MNF, one of the announcers pointed out this 'thought' by mentioning the Pats started the game with 10 passes on their first 11 plays (and were very successful)-but-might come out the 2nd half and do nothing but run---'whatever it takes to win.'

When Kubiak was hired, he made the same promise to us--winning was 'everything.' IMO, the key is 1 game at a time and and devising a game plan for that weeks opponent, not a 'one size fits all' with 'no adjustments allowed' game plan like Capers believed in...

Finally,JMO. but Kubiak has a potential for 'failure' if his philosophy of 'using a players strength' does not allow him to devise/adjust a plan that puts the team in the best position to win. If a player is healthy and that player's strengths will not get the job done, he needs to find someone that can--'downsizing' the play book' for 1 player is not the answer, as we did that for our first 4 yrs. It's all about 'setting the bar' high' and expecting/demanding each player to 'reach' it...
 
thunderkyss said:
He's completing Dinks & Dunks.. they are easier to catch, than the balls further downfield. He is also throwing the ball alot less than the other guys who have lower percentages, but still more YPA.....
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What in the bejesus does that have to do with the average yards/catch ?????


Texans as a team are averaging a whopping 4 yards a catch less than the team who is LEADING the leauge in yards per catch...Whooopie.....:rolleyes:

You aren't hearing me....The Texans may throw more short throws than other teams, but if we are talking about completions.......the average length per completion isn't drastically skewed....

Most everyone in the leauge is around the 9-11 yard range per completion...

The dink and dunk thing IMO is overrated, and overstated....The difference between the 1st and last team in this category is 5 yards......which IMO, isn't that huge when it comes to passing....a couple big passing play and the whole thing could flip around....


Yes we throw short passes...We run the west coast....
No Carr doesn't throw down field as much as other people...But at the same time he doesn't have as many attempts to go down the field as other people...If you are talking about the amount of shots he takes down field, I'm not sure how you expect him to go down field as much as players who have 100 more passing attempts...But his average yards/catch is right on par with everyone else...
 
You can't blame a guy for playing the scheme he is being coached in. Sure Carr is throwing short passes, but thats what is being asked of him. He is completing 70% of his throws. End of story. There is no "excuses" that make anything reasonable here.
 
gtexan02 said:
You can't blame a guy for playing the scheme he is being coached in. Sure Carr is throwing short passes, but thats what is being asked of him. He is completing 70% of his throws. End of story. There is no "excuses" that make anything reasonable here.
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I understand DC is showing stints of improvement, but when I read this it just makes me wonder why it was different when Sage came in. Same scheme. I believe it's just the fact that DC still has a clock ticking in his head telling him to prematurely look for the check down. That said, I still think he's the right choice for this Sunday and still believe Kubiak can cure him eventually.:whip:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What in the bejesus does that have to do with the average yards/catch ?????

Yes we throw short passes...We run the west coast....
No Carr doesn't throw down field as much as other people...But at the same time he doesn't have as many attempts to go down the field as other people...If you are talking about the amount of shots he takes down field, I'm not sure how you expect him to go down field as much as players who have 100 more passing attempts...But his average yards/catch is right on par with everyone else...
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first off, I've been replying(sp) to you talking about YPA..... this is the first time you mentioned YPC, which I think is more telling. Still, you are proving our point. If David could complete 70% of his passing, with a YPC of 11, then that would be something.

Then you look at the numbers tsip is spitting, and you'll see that 43% of Carr's passing yards are coming YAC, which usually involves our WR breaking tackles. WRs aren't supposed to be breaking tackles. You throw them the ball when they are behind the defense, not in front of them. Andre Johnson being a stud, OwenDaniel being a Hoss, and WaliLundy being a chore to tackle is why David's YPC, YPA is even close to those other guys.

& don't blame this on the WCO, Carr's been doing this for 4 years, & that is not how the WCO work. Watch any other team that runs the WCO, and you'll see dumps for big gaines, because the QB still challenges the defense deep, and across the middle.

When Carr dinks & dunks, our guys have to fight for every yard, because the defense never leaves the box. & yes, I'll say it..... because we dink and dunk all day, our running game can't get off, unless we are playing two teams that give up 100 yards per game.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I understand DC is showing stints of improvement, but when I read this it just makes me wonder why it was different when Sage came in. Same scheme. I believe it's just the fact that DC still has a clock ticking in his head telling him to prematurely look for the check down. That said, I still think he's the right choice for this Sunday and still believe Kubiak can cure him eventually.:whip:
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He did really well int he Miami game, throwing nice accurate passes, picking apart their zones & beating their coverage in the middle of the field as well as on the sidelines.

In the second half, they changed it up a bit, and it looked like we were throwing more out routes & timing patterns.

I don't know what happened against Dallas & Jacksonville to change that, but it looks as if he got comfortable with having all day in the pocket, and Tennessee wasn't playing that game.
 
thunderkyss said:
When Carr dinks & dunks, our guys have to fight for every yard, because the defense never leaves the box. & yes, I'll say it..... because we dink and dunk all day, our running game can't get off, unless we are playing two teams that give up 100 yards per game.
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Well we'll just have to agree to disagree....

I say percentage wise he is about average when it comes to the length of his passes...He is one pass attempt away from being tied with last place for pass attempts....

What i'm saying is that he doesn't throw down field as many times because he doesn't have as many attempts....but watching other teams play, % wise, IMO he goes down field just as much....I think if he got as many attempts as other QB's he could go down field more...

And Im really not sure how your runnin game is affected by short passes....If you are able to spread the defense out by running 3 or 4 WR sets that would make people get out of the box...but when you are running two-tight all the time, because it helps with your protection,they are able to stack the box....that has absolutely nothing to do with how many times you go down field.....You open up the box by spreading out your offense....not by chunking the rock down field....

If you open up your offense and start hitting those slot recievers you will force teams to respect that....doesn't have to be a big gain...
 
Hulk75 said:
Yes, BUT bro what can he do on that play were he was hit in the back after the half? In the back he is looking down field( and if you watch it the ball was not being hung out there it was were it was suposed to be, possition wise.).
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Maybe next time he will think that losing the ball in the situation is the worst thing that can happen, and that because of that he needs to put both hands on it and take the sack or run out and throw the ball away. Sometimes Carr fights to break the tackle and avoid the sack, but sometimes when you do that you are giving the defense more time to strip the ball. The longer you stay up with a defender holding on to you the higher the chance of that player stripping it. Sometimes when you are wrapped up or are about to be you need to accept the fact that you will be sacked on this play and kind of go down. Now im not saying he should give into sacks all the time or that it is ok if he gets sacked, but its a hell of a lot better than turning the ball over.
 
carr is leaps and bounds better than he was last year...and that is thanks to kubiak. carr's level of play has risen, and all it took was a decent coach. interesting.
 
TexanFanInCC said:
im probably repeating what alot of people have already said in this thread, but i was lazy to read all the posts. i think 70% is great, but look at the kind of passes he throws...nothing but dinkers to the RB and TE. he has hardly taken the shots down the field, and when he has, he has been successful (mainly bc of andre) but i mean sage rosenfels had no problem going down the field (my definition of DTF is like 15+ yard) when he was in the game.
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I'd just like to say that Carr's problem is not his choice of throws (as in take a shot downfield or throw to a running back that looks to be able to get 3-5 yards). This year he seems to be managing games very well, and i think thats a direct reflection of Kubiak. He just needs to know when to throw it away...when to take a sack...when its not a good time to force a throw (and there rarely is a good time for it)...when you need to be extra concious of holding on to the ball, or protecting the ball through his throws. I think Tom Brady is a good example of this on Monday night. The Pats go into a gameplan to throw the ball, and Tom Brady throws safe balls all game, maybe safer than if they ran the ball.
 
Hulk75 said:
Let me say this about this whole thing, the can of warms that Kubiak opened on sunday I think hurt the relationship between him and Carr a little. The trust factor had been broken that day by Kubiak.
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Good, I hope he breaks it completely, so we can see real NFL QB play instead of Carr who is stealing Mr. Mcnair's money. It's interesting that today is holloween, because I hear someone in the Carr household is pretending to be an NFL QB.


Titan "Tack" Fan;485062 said:
OK im sorry to break it to you but all I saw from Carr on Sunday was a bunch of screens, 3 yard dump offs to the TE, and flat passes to the backs.

No wonder his completion percentage is so high..........
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Bingo, we have a winner!

Sunday was my Waterloo. My line in the sand. My provebial straw that broke the camel's back. I have seen enough. I will never, ever, again support Carr as our starting QB. He may make some good plays, or have a good game again, but two plays Sunday convinced me that Carr has rocks for brains, and we will never win a damn thing with Carr at the helm. If we ever want to win the SB, which should be our goal, Carr will not be our QB. Of that I am 150% convinced. Send him on his way, where some other guru will insist that he is the one to tap all of this supposed potential out of Carr. Personally, the next time I see this guy in a Texans uniform will be too soon for me. I might need a puke bag from an airplane Sunday to get through it.
 
Porky said:
Good, I hope he breaks it completely, so we can see real NFL QB play instead of Carr who is stealing Mr. Mcnair's money. It's interesting that today is holloween, because I hear someone in the Carr household is pretending to be an NFL QB.

Sunday was my Waterloo. My line in the sand. My provebial straw that broke the camel's back. I have seen enough. I will never, ever, again support Carr as our starting QB. He may make some good plays, or have a good game again, but two plays Sunday convinced me that Carr has rocks for brains, and we will never win a damn thing with Carr at the helm. If we ever want to win the SB, which should be our goal, Carr will not be our QB. Of that I am 150% convinced. Send him on his way, where some other guru will insist that he is the one to tap all of this supposed potential out of Carr. Personally, the next time I see this guy in a Texans uniform will be too soon for me. I might need a puke bag from an airplane Sunday to get through it.
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Allrightythen. :backsout:
 
I am not sure I follow everyone's argument here, but what I find interesting is that Brady has 40 more attempts than Carr, yet Carr has one more completion than Brady........... But here's the interesting part, they both average 6.89 yards per completion.....
 
Texan_Bill said:
I am not sure I follow everyone's argument here, but what I find interesting is that Brady has 40 more attempts than Carr, yet Carr has one more completion than Brady........... But here's the interesting part, they both average 6.89 yards per completion.....
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Bingo.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I am not sure I follow everyone's argument here, but what I find interesting is that Brady has 40 more attempts than Carr, yet Carr has one more completion than Brady........... But here's the interesting part, they both average 6.89 yards per completion.....
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What Brady has is the knowledge and experience to do the little basic things like hold on to the ball, his ability to utilize his receivers, and he doesn't make stupid decisions in key situations. Carr has not developed this yet.
 
Vinny said:
Classic...shows how misleading stats are. The QB's you listed throw the ball down field and challenge the defense with regularity, something Carr struggles with and was highlighted when Sage came in and made plays in the same exact offense...downfield. Challenging a defense in the seam or over the linebacker drops on a consistent basis opens up everything else in your offense. The QB's you listed win games with the same stats...but they get the ball up the field more often...there is a lesson there somewhere.
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The lesson is teams win games not QB's alone.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I am not sure I follow everyone's argument here, but what I find interesting is that Brady has 40 more attempts than Carr, yet Carr has one more completion than Brady........... But here's the interesting part, they both average 6.89 yards per completion.....
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It's yet another example that stats can be completely misleading.

Nobody would ever put Carr in a class with Brady, who is a multi-Champion QB and is the epitome of cool under pressure.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I am not sure I follow everyone's argument here, but what I find interesting is that Brady has 40 more attempts than Carr, yet Carr has one more completion than Brady........... But here's the interesting part, they both average 6.89 yards per completion.....
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Brady has 20 passes completed over 20+ yards...... who knows how many he threw... he (like Carr) has 2 completed over 40+....
 
Double Barrel said:
It's yet another example that stats can be completely misleading.

Nobody would ever put Carr in a class with Brady, who is a multi-Champion QB and is the epitome of cool under pressure.
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I would trade David Carr, Andre Johnson, and Mario Williams for Tom Brady tomorrow in a heartbeat, and I wouldn't even have to think about it.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Exactly, you cannot compare Carr to other NFL QB's that throw the ball down the field. 2 and 3 yard passes are almost always completed and rarely intercepted. His stats are misleading. I judge him by what I see on Sundays not what the stats say afterwards.
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It's called the West Coast offense. Lots of short passes. And on Wednesdays, check the Chronicle for yards per completion. Carr is in the top half of the league.
 
Porky said:
I would trade David Carr, Andre Johnson, and Mario Williams for Tom Brady tomorrow in a heartbeat, and I wouldn't even have to think about it.
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Actually I would love to see that, because then the Texans could play Brady on offense - drop back throw the ball to himself, play both ways and on special teams.....

We'd be 16-0 baby!! :redtowel:
 
Porky said:
I would trade David Carr, Andre Johnson, and Mario Williams for Tom Brady tomorrow in a heartbeat, and I wouldn't even have to think about it.
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First off, that would just put us back so many years as to where Brady was way out of his prime by the time we were any good. Secondly, the Patriots would be rediculous with Richard Seymour and Mario Williams.
 
TexansSeminole said:
First off, that would just put us back so many years as to where Brady was way out of his prime by the time we were any good. Secondly, the Patriots would be rediculous with Richard Seymour and Mario Williams.
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I think you miss the entire point of that trade, but that's cool by me. Rock on. :redtowel:
 
Before we trade him, why not let him call the plays for an entire game, just to see.
Don't get me wrong I like Carr's numbers this year, but we need more points. Besides if Carr fails calling the plays it's another reason tp trade him.
Personally, I think trade/draft to bring in good O linemen, before we trade Carr or do anything else.
 
srstex said:
Before we trade him, why not let him call the plays for an entire game, just to see.
Don't get me wrong I like Carr's numbers this year, but we need more points. Besides if Carr fails calling the plays it's another reason tp trade him.
Personally, I think trade/draft to bring in good O linemen, before we trade Carr or do anything else.
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Exactly how many QBs in the league call thier own plays?
 
srstex said:
Before we trade him, why not let him call the plays for an entire game, just to see.
Don't get me wrong I like Carr's numbers this year, but we need more points. Besides if Carr fails calling the plays it's another reason tp trade him.
Personally, I think trade/draft to bring in good O linemen, before we trade Carr or do anything else.
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That would be tantamount to putting the Carr before the Kubiak. ;)
 
You know they talk about the game slowing down and not moving so fast, I don't think the game has slowed down for DC. I think he panics, how else can you explain his pass to the whole Titans secondary.
 
gafftop said:
You know they talk about the game slowing down and not moving so fast, I don't think the game has slowed down for DC. I think he panics, how else can you explain his pass to the whole Titans secondary.
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...maybe true and-if so-Carr maybe in the wrong job--Caper's regime 'slowed' the offense down to a 'crawl' for Carr and never installed most of Palmer's playbook...Kubiak has said as much about his playbook...so we have a QB that can't read defenses/has zero pocket management skills/slow to learn/turns the ball over...but he's going to lead us to the SB!!???...got some 'swamp' land for sale--real cheap:yikes: :brickwall :redtowel:
 
tsip said:
Carr is and almost always has been a 'dink and dunk' passer in the NFL, with a very weak vertical passing game...rarely uses the middle of the field, which reduces the risk of incompletions...and greatly inflates his high percentage rate...
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And yet, it's the types of passes he's been throwing his whole career and until Kubiak came, he was a sub 60% thrower. Kubiak has "fixed" his accuracy up to 70%.

I think Kubiak is approaching this 1 or 2 things at a time. There are a lot of things with David that he's fixed that we don't see. It's like Kubiak said in the press conference, David is making the right decisions in practice and then in the games, he's doing something different. I think Kubiak is trying to get him to look further up the field but he's still battling all the work the coaches did last year.

I mean... I had studied one martial art for a couple of years and had it drilled into me that when someone raises their leg for a kick, you move inside, jam the kick, and either grapple and sweep the bottom leg or use your hands. Then I moved and started studying at a different place and a different art. This guy wanted me to back out when I saw a high kick. But I kept moving in because that was what I had been trained to do. So I was sparring and the sensei was yelling at me to move back. Over and over and over. I couldn't get it. Until I finally I was sparring (with the sensei looking over my shoulder), I saw a high kick coming, and instead of either moving forward or moving back (or doing anything that remotely made sense), I tried to block it with my hand and broke my thumb.

I think that's what's happening to David right now. He knows what Kubiak wants him to do, he's still doing some of the stuff that Palmer wanted him to do, and sometimes he just does weird stuff no one can explain. He's gotten some of the lessons that Kubiak is teaching him but he's had some stuff drilled into him and it's hard to get rid of that stuff. He's made some tremendous improvement; let's give Kubiak some time to turn the rest of it around. I think he deserves it whether you think DC does or not.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
My first observation would be to say that most of those guys are on winning teams. I would like to see how he stacks up against QB's on losing teams since they are normally playing catch up. Also what is the term of those stats, just this year?
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I don't know if anyone has answered this, yet, but... out of the top 30 QB's in passing yards this year, Carr is 14th in lowest YPA

1. McNair - 5.59
2. Frye - 5.95
3. Plummer - 6.09
4. Walter - 6.25
5. Favre - 6.31
6. Leftwich - 6.33
7. Delhomme - 6.40
8. Johnson - 6.53
9. Losman - 6.66
10. Smith - 6.84
11. Vick - 6.85
12. Bledsoe - 6.88
13. Brady - 6.88
 
eriadoc said:
People can keep harping on the dink and dunk stuff, but prior to this game, Carr was averaging a bit over 7 yards per pass attempt. He's now averaging 6.89, which is tied with Tom Brady. Eli Manning has 7.18, Carson Palmer has 7.26, and Rivers has 7.31, for example. Manning has the most, from my cursory examination, with 8.02.
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McNabb is getting 8.33 in a dink and dunk system where Westbrook breaks the hell out of them.
 
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