One post that has everything about Schaub

[Rey]

My point is that we've heard the "Flacco's figured it out" thing before & he's always reverted back to inconsistent play. We spoke about Flacco like Christian Ponder, or Jake Locker. I bet that guy surfaces again in 2013, that's all I'm saying.

Right now, people are putting Flacco in the Eli, Ben QB tier. At the end of 2013, we might have him in the Dilfer, Johnson tier.

He could just be his own type of guy too.

A guy that can make brilliant plays followed by terrible, awful plays.

But my point is, that he's proven that when it matters most he can step it up through a tough stretch of games and help his team win.

Doesn't mean he'll do it every time, but we know he can.

I don't know that Schaub can do that. Not for multiple games in a row down the stretch, into the play-offs and in the Superbowl.

And back to my original point about system...There's really 0 excuse for why he shouldn't be able to play well when it gets tough late in the year other than his own limitations or injuries. We know that this system works.

With Flacco, we don't know that his old system worked for him. We do know that his new system did.


Really there's no comparing the two at this point. Flacco has played well in a stretch of big games. Schaub hasn't. That's really the end of it right there.

Until Schaub can play well in tough games down the stretch then you can't put him on Flacco's level...IMO...

 

[thunderkyss]

He could just be his own type of guy too.

A guy that can make brilliant plays followed by terrible, awful plays.

To get back on track, this is where we started.

I still think it's too early to tell with Caldwell. When Cam Cameron came on there was a big whupteedoo & to start 2011 "everyone" was excited about the "new" Ravens offense. There was a lot of talk about how the defense doesn't have to carry the team anymore.

The book on Flacco & Caldwell is still open.

 

[Mr teX]

Only one thing actually matters when it comes to judging an NFL Quarterback's performance....

Does he make players around him better???

In Schaub's case the answer is a resounding 'NO'. He is a weak link on the offense that has to be compensated for by great players that bail him out. Good NFL QB's have the reverse effect. They make plays off-schedule, improvise and instill confidence into the offensive unit. Schaub accomplishes none of the above and counts on his teammates to make him look adequate.

This post is terrible. Qb's that are a "resounding" weak link don't take their teams to the playoffs & put up the consistent numbers he has over his tenure here in houston without having some kind of positive effect on the players around them. But ok, i'll bite.....

was Flacco making players around him better when their offense was trash and inconsistent all last season? trash and inconsistent enough to get a guy regarded around the NFL as an offensive guru fired late in the season....which is pretty much unheard of in the NFL?

Was Flacco making guys around him better when he was completing less than 60% of his passes mid way thru the season & we proceeded to dismantle him when he came to reliant?

Was he making players around him better when he kept failing to get past Pittsburgh in the playoffs....and then later the Pats?

Wake up...He got on a nice run & rode it all the way to the SB...and as we've seen numerous times in the superbowl era, that can happen to any decent to good qb....See Eli Manning.

& If there's a qb whoose WR's make him look good & he depends on them to make him look "adequate" as you say, it's Joe Flacco. How many times did we see him just throw the ball up for grabs in the playoffs to guys that really weren't open and his WR's went up & made plays for him? Either that or the defense had a brain fart and allowed him to get away with crap that would've otherwise been a dead play or TO. I can think of at least 4 of those type of plays that were critical to their playoff run last year.


& for all the "off schedule" play making you guys keep speaking of...well, there's a guy in Dallas who tries to do that all the time....For whatever reason though, he's still not considered an elite qb.

 

[Mr teX]

He could just be his own type of guy too.

A guy that can make brilliant plays followed by terrible, awful plays.

But my point is, that he's proven that when it matters most he can step it up through a tough stretch of games and help his team win.

Doesn't mean he'll do it every time, but we know he can.

I don't know that Schaub can do that. Not for multiple games in a row down the stretch, into the play-offs and in the Superbowl.

And back to my original point about system...There's really 0 excuse for why he shouldn't be able to play well when it gets tough late in the year other than his own limitations or injuries. We know that this system works.

With Flacco, we don't know that his old system worked for him. We do know that his new system did.


Really there's no comparing the two at this point. Flacco has played well in a stretch of big games. Schaub hasn't. That's really the end of it right there.

Until Schaub can play well in tough games down the stretch then you can't put him on Flacco's level...IMO...

Flacco wasn't exactly lighting it up in tough games down the stretch until the last 2 years...i seem to recall lots of those Pittsburgh games his play was putrid to downright awful...He needed alot of seasoning to get to the point he got to last year......and even then it still threatened to not be enough.

Schaub and the Texans team as a whole just got to the point Flacco was drafted into and has been at his entire career lets at least give him a real opportunity.

 

[Rey]

Flacco wasn't exactly lighting it up in tough games down the stretch until the last 2 years...

I don't know if you care if I respond or not, but I can't talk about this stuff with you if you aren't reading what I wrote.

 

[Rey]

The book on Flacco & Caldwell is still open.

I don't understand what point you're making with that though.

They've already won a superbowl.

The book still being open means it can go positively or negatively from this point. And what I'm saying is that even if it all goes to hell, they've already accomplished the ultimate together. That can't be taken away.

If they do more positive things together that just adds to their legacy.

 

[Mr teX]

I don't know if you care if I respond or not, but I can't talk about this stuff with you if you aren't reading what I wrote.

I am reading what you wrote...& for the most part i usually agree with you, i just don't agree that the 2 still can't be compared is all. Flacco winning a SB ring doesn't change my opinion of him as a qb. I need to see him duplicate what he did before i consider him any better than just a good qb. It doesn't have to be a SB win, but at least another SB appearance where he is the chief catalyst.

Aside from that, tough stretches of big games are relative to each guy and their respective teams.

 

[Rey]

I am reading what you wrote...& for the most part i usually agree with you, i just don't agree that the 2 still can't be compared is all. Flacco winning a SB ring doesn't change my opinion of him as a qb. I need to see him duplicate what he did before i consider him any better than just a good qb. It doesn't have to be a SB win, but at least another SB appearance where he is the chief catalyst.

Aside from that, tough stretches of big games are relative to each guy and their respective teams.

Ok...I get what you are saying.

 

[Mr teX]

I don't know that Schaub can do that. Not for multiple games in a row down the stretch, into the play-offs and in the Superbowl.

This is also 1 helluva qualifier too...If you're going by this, well, there are only like 5 qb's in the league who can do this........b/c they've actually done it.


Brady
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Rothlisberger
& now Flacco

 

[Rey]

This is also 1 helluva qualifier too...If you're going by this, well, there are only like 5 qb's in the league who can do this........b/c they've actually done it.


Brady
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Rothlisberger
& now Flacco

What do those QB's have in common?


You want to know what one hell of a qualifier is? Winning a Superbowl. There's only one of those handed out a year.

And I'm not saying I don't believe Schaub can do it because he hasn't done it. I'm saying I don't believe he can do it because I don't believe he can do it.

I'm anxiously waiting to be proven wrong. I want nothing more than Schaub to make all the doubters eat dirt and give the NFL a big stfu and suck these in late December. That would be awesome.

I don't believe he has it in him, but my belief has 0 to do with whether or not he actually can.

 

[Mr teX]

He could just be his own type of guy too.

A guy that can make brilliant plays followed by terrible, awful plays.

But my point is, that he's proven that when it matters most he can step it up through a tough stretch of games and help his team win.

Doesn't mean he'll do it every time, but we know he can.

I don't know that Schaub can do that. Not for multiple games in a row down the stretch, into the play-offs and in the Superbowl.

And back to my original point about system...There's really 0 excuse for why he shouldn't be able to play well when it gets tough late in the year other than his own limitations or injuries. We know that this system works.

With Flacco, we don't know that his old system worked for him. We do know that his new system did.


Really there's no comparing the two at this point. Flacco has played well in a stretch of big games. Schaub hasn't. That's really the end of it right there.

Until Schaub can play well in tough games down the stretch then you can't put him on Flacco's level...IMO...

What do those QB's have in common?


You want to know what one hell of a qualifier is? Winning a Superbowl. There's only one of those handed out a year.

And I'm not saying I don't believe Schaub can do it because he hasn't done it. I'm saying I don't believe he can do it because I don't believe he can do it.

I'm anxiously waiting to be proven wrong. I want nothing more than Schaub to make all the doubters eat dirt and give the NFL a big stfu and suck these in late December. That would be awesome.



I don't believe he has it in him, but my belief has 0 to do with whether or not he actually can.

Agreed...Although there is the little caveat of him actually winning us a SB as our starting qb........but not actually being the key component. Maybe he game manages us to 1...So there is still a way you can be right but still be wrong..lol....

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't understand what point you're making with that though.

They've already won a superbowl.

The book still being open means it can go positively or negatively from this point. And what I'm saying is that even if it all goes to hell, they've already accomplished the ultimate together. That can't be taken away.

If they do more positive things together that just adds to their legacy.

This back & forth between you & I started because you said when Caldwell took over, Flacco played better.

I said I don't know about Caldwell. We've seen Flacco flash a time or two before.

If Flacco comes out inconsistent next season, then we'll know it was more about Flacco's streakyness than it was about Caldwell.

Over the last 5 years, watching the two play, I never doubted that Schuab was the better of the two. Just because Flacco won a Super Bowl doesn't change that for me. He had a helluva run through the play offs, better than Peyton, & Brady both. That doesn't make him a better QB than either of them, doesn't make him a better QB than Schaub.

If he ever got to the point where you can expect him to play like that more often than not, then I'll say he's a better QB than Schaub.

 

[Rey]

This back & forth between you & I started because you said when Caldwell took over, Flacco played better.

I said I don't know about Caldwell. We've seen Flacco flash a time or two before.

If Flacco comes out inconsistent next season, then we'll know it was more about Flacco's streakyness than it was about Caldwell.

Gotcha. Understood.

 

[Norg]

I cant wait till schaub wins a Super bowl so all this talk can die

 

[dream_team]

I cant wait till schaub wins a Super bowl so all this talk can die

I 2nd that!

 

[steelbtexan]

This back & forth between you & I started because you said when Caldwell took over, Flacco played better.

I said I don't know about Caldwell. We've seen Flacco flash a time or two before.

If Flacco comes out inconsistent next season, then we'll know it was more about Flacco's streakyness than it was about Caldwell.

Over the last 5 years, watching the two play, I never doubted that Schuab was the better of the two. Just because Flacco won a Super Bowl doesn't change that for me. He had a helluva run through the play offs, better than Peyton, & Brady both. That doesn't make him a better QB than either of them, doesn't make him a better QB than Schaub.

If he ever got to the point where you can expect him to play like that more often than not, then I'll say he's a better QB than Schaub.

What about the yr before when the Ravens were 1 Evans dropped pass away from the SB? Did you know Flacco's teams have made it to the playoffs every yr? Clutch gene?

Flacco has the clutch gene, Schaub not so much.

 

[thunderkyss]

What about the yr before when the Ravens were 1 Evans dropped pass away from the SB? Did you know Flacco's teams have made it to the playoffs every yr? Clutch gene?

Flacco has the clutch gene, Schaub not so much.

If he was clutch, Evans would have caught that ball same as Casey should have caught the one Schaub served up for him.

Flacco stepped it up in the play offs, can't take that away from him.

 

[DexmanC]

The Texans are one QB with decent mobility, decent accuracy, and decent arm strength away from being tough to deal with.

 

[False Start]

No Schaub thread is complete without this:

 

[drs23]

No Schaub thread is complete without this:

We can always count on you FS.

MSR

 

[False Start]

We can always count on you FS.

MSR

 

[Norg]

I wanna see that schaub were its like OT and the game goes into clutch mode so Schaub goes into robot BEAST MODE

drives down the field and scores a 7

 

[paycheck71]

I wanna see that schaub were its like OT and the game goes into clutch mode so Schaub goes into robot BEAST MODE

drives down the field and scores a 7

You mean like vs WAS in 2010? Or a number of other games in 2010? Or JAX last year?

 

[paycheck71]

Can we put the audible arguments to rest after this?

Stephanie Stradley @StephStradley
#Texans @MSchaub8 said that they may change play at line based on D look maybe 30% of time but do in way not as obvious as other teams.

Stephanie Stradley @StephStradley
#Texans @CMyers55 talked about Schaub having flexibility for calling plays. They audible/have options but more subtle than some teams.

Stephanie Stradley @StephStradley
Re: Myers/Schaub audible qs. Neither wanted to discuss details of play changing at line, but seemed to think silly some concerned with that.

 

[OrangeLotPole8]

Because Flacco is better than allz them btches.

DUDE!!!!!!!!!! You are repped on that alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am still laughing!

 

[thunderkyss]

Can we put the audible arguments to rest after this?

She went into more detail in her blog.

In our scheme, Matt doesn’t necessarily have to do that all the time. You guys may not notice, but we audible a lot. You guys may not notice and talk about it all the time because you guys don’t notice it. It’s one of the things that come with the territory. It’s a smooth transition for us with the zone blocking scheme and with the rollouts that we have that Matt’s been able to run. We don’t have to audible as much because we have the potential for other things to happen. Our audibles aren’t the same as other teams, but we get it done just as much as they do.

We do have a built-in system but it’s something that we do at the line of scrimmage that is not as dramatic as some teams do. We do it about 30 percent of the game. We have two or maybe three plays at the line of scrimmage and then we go from there. It’s all based on what the defense is doing. Sometimes it’s run to run, run to pass, it can be any one of those things, but it’s all predicated on the defense.

So there you go. If they told you how it was done, they would have to kill you.

I know I've seen things on TV or at the game & wondered why they don't take advantage of them... I've seen Andre in the slot with a LB covering him & we go with a run play.

But when you look at how prolific our offense is I can't imagine we don't have the ability to change the play based on what the defense shows. Personally, I think if every player on the OL has options, where the FB has to read & react, then the HB has to read & react, then it stands to reason the QB & the receivers have a "read & react" portion in the offense as well and there's got to be a system to make sure they are all on the same page.

Yes, some teams’ schemes mean that they dramatically change plays. And they may change plays to a larger part of their playbook. With the Texans scheme in particular, since so much of it is from formations where run and pass are intended to look the same, they usually don’t want to be obvious in play changing. Non-obvious audibles isn’t an unusual thing in the NFL either, but appears to be a pet issue of some.

Which brings up another point. When teams do audible, the defense audibles... how is that taking advantage of a situation? If it's like Schaub & Myers says, other teams don't know when we change, then we've got them where we want them.

 

[Rey]

She went into more detail in her blog.

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I know I've seen things on TV or at the game & wondered why they don't take advantage of them... I've seen Andre in the slot with a LB covering him & we go with a run play.

But when you look at how prolific our offense is I can't imagine we don't have the ability to change the play based on what the defense shows. Personally, I think if every player on the OL has options, where the FB has to read & react, then the HB has to read & react, then it stands to reason the QB & the receivers have a "read & react" portion in the offense as well and there's got to be a system to make sure they are all on the same page.

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Which brings up another point. When teams do audible, the defense audibles... how is that taking advantage of a situation? If it's like Schaub & Myers says, other teams don't know when we change, then we've got them where we want them.

The same thing Schaub and Meyers said is the same thing I've been saying for a few years.

With this scheme the audibles aren't like other teams. That's a good and bad thing. It's good because with the ZBS you don't really need wholesale changes on any given play because the scheme is designed to make the defense wrong under several different situations. Our audibles are based more on defensive formations vs defensive personnel.

The only drawback to our audible system is that in the past (I'll explain why I say past later) if Andre has a mouse in the house or if Matt sees some other mismatch, he doesn't go completely off the grid and call something all on his own to take advantage of that.

Our audibles are basic audibles. If you see this when we have this play called this do that. Matt hasn't had the freedom to go and do what I call creative audibles.

So they are right. Our audible system is different.

Now the reason that I keep saying "in the past" is because Rick Smith was on the radio maybe like a week ago and he said something about Matt having more freedom at the LOS this year than he's had in the past...Something about giving him more responsibility. My only guess is that Matt will be allowed to completely change plays to something he likes in certain instances based on things he himself picked up on film or a match up he likes...or whatever reason he comes up with. I think they are going to allow him more freedom to be creative at the line.

That's something that I've been wanting to see because it might actually help him play better. Give him more confidence in what he's doing...And he's a smart guy, so maybe he will be able to call some things on the fly that really help the offense.

But yeah...They are right. We audible quite a bit. But it's not like a lot of other teams where you see QB's walking down the line calling stuff out because we aren't making those kinds of changes.