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OK: Seasons half over: What do we need in 2007?
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Yea, he really is a great player.
FanFromCali
Noob
The needs are pretty obvious. We need OL (preferably a G or C but could take a natural LT and move a player to G), DB (S is the biggest need but another CB would not hurt either), LB, and RB.
Our biggest need is at DB but unless it is a sure-fire top-ten prospect, the team should wait until round two where we could still get a good one at a better value. As far as LB, there are a lot of good potential FAs including Cato, Briggs, Diggs, A. Thomas, Fletcher, Godfrey, and Morris. There is a pretty good chance that a couple should be available so the team could fill a need there.
That leaves OL or RB available for a first round pick. As much as a certain kid out of Oklahoma would look great as a Texan it is well beyond time to address the OL. I say Joe Thomas out of Wisconsin should be the pick. Round two would be a DB and the rest would be for best available.
Our biggest need is at DB but unless it is a sure-fire top-ten prospect, the team should wait until round two where we could still get a good one at a better value. As far as LB, there are a lot of good potential FAs including Cato, Briggs, Diggs, A. Thomas, Fletcher, Godfrey, and Morris. There is a pretty good chance that a couple should be available so the team could fill a need there.
That leaves OL or RB available for a first round pick. As much as a certain kid out of Oklahoma would look great as a Texan it is well beyond time to address the OL. I say Joe Thomas out of Wisconsin should be the pick. Round two would be a DB and the rest would be for best available.
I agree we need a HB in the draft but AP out of OU is injury prone and would only come out if he was going to go high in the draft.
Dont know how many picks we have or cap room or how well Winston and Spencer develope mentally this season or who will be the best athlete when our turns come, but here goes.
1.LB
2.CB
3.HB
4.OT
5.KR/PR/3WR
I think we should pick up HB/LB in FA and trade down for linemen (both sides) and D-2ndary. Load up on picks for '08
brewhaus
Rookie
I read yesterday that the Texans are slated to pick #5 and that they would be taking Peterson. I agree with you, there is an injury prone issue.
http://www.gbnreport.com/2007projection.html
"VERY PRELIMINARY 2007 FIRST-ROUND PROJECTION"
I dont think even at #5 Kubiak will go for a HB with the #1 pick. Denvers highest RB pick was a 3rd rounder Portis i think. His system doesn't require a 50-million dollar back. It's been proved again with Lundy.
rafterticket
Waterboy
When I look at this rookie class, it is not hard to believe that next year's team will be young and amazing. Hopefully, they will address our safety situation and add another corner. Are there any coming out next year? If we could also add one good offensive guard for the future, we could be sitting pretty.
I have every faith in our talent assessment people for next year. Oh, and I do not believe Charlie Casserly had a thing to do with our last draft. Let's face it - it was just too good.
I have every faith in our talent assessment people for next year. Oh, and I do not believe Charlie Casserly had a thing to do with our last draft. Let's face it - it was just too good.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Denver has in the recent past spent two 2nd round picks and a 3rd round pick on RB's. Kubiak was also trying to trade back up into the 1st round of this last draft to get DeAngelo Williams--glad that didn't happen since he was essentially offering up DeMeco and Daniels.
That is an interesting observation. Luck plays a big role in the draft. Had we found a taker for the trade, we might not be so ecstatic about our draft and we'd view Kubiak's player evaluation a little differently.
Also, Demeco and Daniels may have gone to teams where they wouldn't see as much playing time as they do now and they may not be as effective and recognized.
It's a crapshoot, and all of the draft analysis in hindsight by the armchair experts really carries less weight than dumb luck plays in the real world.
painekiller
All Pro
Portis was a second round pick. Many here were upset at the time that the Texans used the 50th pick on Pitts when Portis was considered the top player on the board, Denver took Portis 51st. What a difference that pick could have been.
mancunian
Old Timer
theres a few guys at Chicago that are FA this year. Briggs, Safety Mike Brown. They also have a big bruiser of a back called Adrian Peterson.......
It would cost a lot of dosh for Briggs - if he hits FA he'll be one of the bigger draws.
Thanks for the clairification from everybody on Portis being a #2. However, I stick by my guns and say Kubiak will not get a HB with the 5th overall.
Texizgreat
Waterboy
I personally think we will be picking at 10..... I that case I would go with Irons (rb)
Hopefully Trade down. Would a # 10 be worth New Englands # 29 and 30?
Hopefully Trade down. Would a # 10 be worth New Englands # 29 and 30?
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real
Guest
If we picked Kenny Irons with the tenth overall pick I'd slap my momma...
And Thats assuming an awful lot that NE will have the 29th and 30th pick... That means you expect Seattle and NE to finish pretty well this year...We'll see about that....
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real
Guest
I like two prospects from Florida in the second or third rd:
Reggie Nelson FS can hit and cover...6'1" 193 lbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRW3JFaMN_A) same game...Reciever gets scared(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o2ULj5IsQ)
And Earl Everret OLB very athletic and big ....6'3" 234 lbs
(http://www.gatorzone.com/football/bios.php?year=2005&sub=team&bio=everett.html)
Two SEC products...
Good site for other defensive highlights: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/videoD.html
Reggie Nelson FS can hit and cover...6'1" 193 lbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRW3JFaMN_A) same game...Reciever gets scared(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o2ULj5IsQ)
And Earl Everret OLB very athletic and big ....6'3" 234 lbs
(http://www.gatorzone.com/football/bios.php?year=2005&sub=team&bio=everett.html)
Two SEC products...
Good site for other defensive highlights: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/videoD.html
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Not to say he's not a good player, but the clips don't really show anything exceptional. IMO, a blindside hit isn't something any other DB can't do. Like I said, he might be outstanding. It's just the clips provided don't really justify he's better.
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real
Guest
I know.....
But those were the only clips I found....I'm sure he has other highlights...
But He is an outstanding FS...
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Cool. What do you think of Aaron Ross from Texas? He's had a good year.
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Guest
I like Aaron Ross too...Im not sure how his game translates to the next level though....
He'll need some good coaching, because right now he's relying on physical prowess and his technique is iffy...
But that can be said about a lot of players....
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I agrree with all of that. Easy to be a fan and get locked on to guys on one of your favorite teams. Texas DBs are way over rated this year. JMHO.
I completely agree. I thought Ross was pretty good, but he did get owned by almost every WR on the Kansas St. starting lineup. Yes, its ownly one game, but it did show some possible flaw in his game, or just an off night. Griffin, FS, has some skills and should be looked at. And I also agree that Nelson's pretty good and should be looked at in the 2nd or 3rd, but if we look at S in the 1st, Landry(LSU) is the way to go. He has looked very solid and usually exceptional this entire season. If anyone caught his last game, the kid was EVERYWHERE. He blitzed from a fairly deep FS starting position to slice right threw the Alabama front line and straight to a sack on the QB. It was an amazing hit. He;s also got some serious talent in the coverage department IMO
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Untill the club addresses the offensive line, whomever the quarterback/running back is, the club will struggle. It seems infathomable to me that after holding their water four four years, and yes I swallowed CC's Bosselli move hook line and sinker, that with several OLT propects on the board this year, this club will spit the bit. Not banging on Weigert or anyone else, just saying when you're one peice away from having the key to a top ten offense, you don't leave that on the ground. My opinion is that can't fix everything with one draft class. So fix at least one thing. The big thing. You guys throwing the o-lineman late into the draft, and yes I agree you shouldn't take gaurds too early, into day two the question I have for you all did any of you honestly project the New York Jets to be where they are at this point in the season with out Curtis Martin ? It was a miricle we got the two guys we got in the third round last year. Don't expect that to happen every year. You all are fixin' to live with what happens when the injury bug gets you down to the third team guys and street free agents the rest of the season.
The only two exceptions I can see for them not manuvouring to get the OLT they want, is one Gains Adams or Adam Gains whatever falls into their laps or two some will linebacker/cover corner back blows them away at the combine. Robinson just might bolt. With the third win, we just might be out of the Joe Thomas running. And Yes Dorthy, he is that good. The best Sr. free safty prospect plays at Arkansas , not LSU. Get use to some disappoint in your lives Landry fans. I got that one filed with "All Day" Peterson, ain't going to happen. Peterson is my ESPN green room led zepplin canidate for '08. JMHO.
He runs too high. He gets caught by DBs from behind in the open feild. He has a proven track record for injuries. Just too much baggage for a 4-12,5-11 club to swallow with a high number one.
And whoever you were who almost posted Darren McFaddin, RB Arkansas, you're correct sir. At this point in the '07 college season, he is whithout a doubt, bar none, the best pro RB prospect out there. Unfortunatly,
for the Texans he is only a sophmore. Rice of Rutgers fits our scheme also but he too is only a sophmore. So the big question in my mind is can Rick Smith and Kubes hold their water one more year and wait on the '08 class ?
I also agree with Wolf's logic. Kubes has proven his system many times. I'll believe he'll draft an iffy guy in the first round when I see it. This club is more than one peice away from a SB run. When they get one peice away, and the RB blows them away, then and only then will they pull the trigger. I don't know and I ain't in the loop. JMHO.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
What do y'all think of Hart from Michigan?
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real
Guest
Rep Comin your way...
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real
Guest
I like Hart, but he doesn't strike me as a big time back at the next level
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
True, but niether did DD, M. Bell, T. Bell, M. Anderson, etc. Anyways, it was just a thought.
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real
Guest
True, but niether did DD, M. Bell, T. Bell, M. Anderson, etc. Anyways, it was just a thought.
True....
And i'm not saying he can't succeed at the next level....
But he wouldn't be a must have guy if I were drafting...
thats all i'm sayin...
Offensively
we DONT need:
RB
WR
QB
TE
We are good at these positions, though RB is a bit questionable.. I am of the opinon that Gado and Lundy are solid starting backs, who are young and capable of maturing into great starting backs. Instead of replacing our RBs, we need to focus on our Oline.
Offensive Needs:
RT
RG
Center, LG, and LT are also somewhat "need" areas... though not as much. Basicly.. we need more Olinemen.. that is what it boils down to. We need more depth, and we need more starters, and we need more guys to groom. We have a patchwork Oline right now.
Defensively
We do NOT need:
<chirp chirp>
....
<chirp chirp>
Ok, Ill say that we do NOT need a DE.. and we do NOT need an MLB. And we could probably do without a strong saftey.
We NEED:
DT
OLB
FS
CB
My number one need coming into this offseason is a toss up between DT and OLB. OLB is a need because we arent getting pressure from our OLBs. They havent done a terrible job, but they are not a threat to opposing offenses either. We need an OLB that makes QBs cringe. I say DT is a need because we are very beat up at that position, and we lack a real playmaker to compliment Mario, TJ, and Babin/Peek. We need someone in the middle who can stuff the run, but can also collapse the pocket on passing downs, and force some double teams so that Mario is free to wreck the QB now and again.
The improved Pass rush from an OLB or DT (or both) will greatly improve our secondary.. but we could still really use a FS. Our interception numbers are pathetic.. we need a ballhawk. CB is a need..but not a pressing one. I honestly feel that with a good FS, and an improved pass rush.. Faggins could be a great CB for us. Not just "solid", not just "good".. I think he could be great.. not as great as Dunta
..but great enough to make passing on us tough to do.
That is my take for our needs next season.
we DONT need:
RB
WR
QB
TE
We are good at these positions, though RB is a bit questionable.. I am of the opinon that Gado and Lundy are solid starting backs, who are young and capable of maturing into great starting backs. Instead of replacing our RBs, we need to focus on our Oline.
Offensive Needs:
RT
RG
Center, LG, and LT are also somewhat "need" areas... though not as much. Basicly.. we need more Olinemen.. that is what it boils down to. We need more depth, and we need more starters, and we need more guys to groom. We have a patchwork Oline right now.
Defensively
We do NOT need:
<chirp chirp>
....
<chirp chirp>
Ok, Ill say that we do NOT need a DE.. and we do NOT need an MLB. And we could probably do without a strong saftey.
We NEED:
DT
OLB
FS
CB
My number one need coming into this offseason is a toss up between DT and OLB. OLB is a need because we arent getting pressure from our OLBs. They havent done a terrible job, but they are not a threat to opposing offenses either. We need an OLB that makes QBs cringe. I say DT is a need because we are very beat up at that position, and we lack a real playmaker to compliment Mario, TJ, and Babin/Peek. We need someone in the middle who can stuff the run, but can also collapse the pocket on passing downs, and force some double teams so that Mario is free to wreck the QB now and again.
The improved Pass rush from an OLB or DT (or both) will greatly improve our secondary.. but we could still really use a FS. Our interception numbers are pathetic.. we need a ballhawk. CB is a need..but not a pressing one. I honestly feel that with a good FS, and an improved pass rush.. Faggins could be a great CB for us. Not just "solid", not just "good".. I think he could be great.. not as great as Dunta
..but great enough to make passing on us tough to do.That is my take for our needs next season.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I agree. I don't think we'd take a RB in the first couple rounds anyways, do you? I hoping for a defensive player in the first and possibly second round. Oline in possibly the second or third. RB in the third or fourth. We'll see, I'm still enjoying the team the way it's improving this year. I guess we'll see how this year pans out.
Sad, but still true. We had the potential to both bring along young talent and have quality depth this year, but injuries and other issues certainly stopped those developments before they got started. I think we are getting ready to pay dearly for the missed potential now too.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
We're going to find out about Mr. Hart this weekend. They have to keep Ginn Jr and Smith on the bench to have a shot. Will say I'm having trouble remebering the last Michican RB who went to Hawaii for the NFL pro bowl. Can you name one ? Isn't that what you are looking for in a RB when you invest that kind of pick on him ? As far as the Texan's and drafting him, if he falls to the top of the third and they love the guy I would have no problem with that. Think this club has bigger problems than at running back though don't you ?
Texans Horror
All Pro
Needs:
Offensive Linemen
Offensive Linemen
Offensive Linemen
But I'm guessing we will draft for defense. If so, hopefully we'll start by addressing the CB spot.
Offensive Linemen
Offensive Linemen
Offensive Linemen
But I'm guessing we will draft for defense. If so, hopefully we'll start by addressing the CB spot.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
[[Gary Kubiak]];499134 said:Let me just reminded you guys that THOMAS DAVIS and DERRICK JOHNSON were in the board, but chuck got Travis instead.
OMG~!
Yes. But don't miss the lesson. CC's move didn't work out, which was a common failing on CC's part. However, it set the table for the wonnderful '06 draft. I thought at the time TJ was a bit over rated. But just like last year, befor you can make a block buster deal to move down, you have to have a trading partner. They got their hands caught in the cookie jar, no doubt. Never been posted but that is what I'll believe happened till the day I die. Now TJ can prove me wrong. We've made pretty good lemmon aide out of that lemmon. So I got no room to gripe. Anyone seen a Jopru sighting this season ?
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real
Guest
Honestly I hope Gado and Lundy prove they can carry the load...I'd rather not draft a RB period this upcoming draft...
I'd to trade down to about 12 or 13 if we aren't already in that range...and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd...
1st-best DB
2nd-Best OLB
extra pick(either second pick of the 2nd rd or first pick of the 3rd)-Best OL
3rd- Best DB
4th-Best DT
4th(??) Best OL
5th-Best LB
6th-OL
7th-DL
As of right now that's how i'd draft...
Although after the last draft I'm not too worried about which direction the Texans decide to go in...
In order of greatest need IMO:
(1) OLB...we need two of them. If we enter the FA war for Briggs (#55 Chicago, 25 yrs old/6'1"/240 and almost already as good as Urlacher) and win, that would be huge for us. The draft is deep in OLB IMO and we should be able to get a really good one in the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd. Moses, Posluszny and Alexander will probally be gone by then but Simpson (another Alabama OLB to go with #59), Everett or Burgess should be there.
(2) OL...we have to have one and need two IMO. I would go OT with our #1 which I guess will be in the 10-13 pick range...Thomas or Baker or trade down and take an OL...like Blalock and pick up an extra pick.
(3) CB...we need one. This is where I would like to see us go FA market again...but I like Samuel (NE/25 yrs old) more than Clements for us.
(4) DT...we need at least one and I would use our other first day pick on the best available.
(5) PK and Punter...unless things improve a bunch in the 2nd half, we need to upgrade these positions before '07...day two draft perhaps
Way too early to be certain about much of this IMO but it is fun to think out loud about.
(1) OLB...we need two of them. If we enter the FA war for Briggs (#55 Chicago, 25 yrs old/6'1"/240 and almost already as good as Urlacher) and win, that would be huge for us. The draft is deep in OLB IMO and we should be able to get a really good one in the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd. Moses, Posluszny and Alexander will probally be gone by then but Simpson (another Alabama OLB to go with #59), Everett or Burgess should be there.
(2) OL...we have to have one and need two IMO. I would go OT with our #1 which I guess will be in the 10-13 pick range...Thomas or Baker or trade down and take an OL...like Blalock and pick up an extra pick.
(3) CB...we need one. This is where I would like to see us go FA market again...but I like Samuel (NE/25 yrs old) more than Clements for us.
(4) DT...we need at least one and I would use our other first day pick on the best available.
(5) PK and Punter...unless things improve a bunch in the 2nd half, we need to upgrade these positions before '07...day two draft perhaps
Way too early to be certain about much of this IMO but it is fun to think out loud about.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Won't ague with that will say with this many good OLT prospects on the board, I honestly believe they are one tallent in the o-line away from being a top ten offense. That one peice to me is worth the bump down of the deffensive guys. You're sixth OL , look at Cooley from Southern Miss. # 52 I believe. He is a left gaurd with quick feet. I think we could hide the guy away
on the practice squad for the '08 season. Very ceap Pitt insuarance.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Nice. I could live with this. Hoping we could hold off a couple of seasons to wait on the Kid from Oklahoma. I never was a spiecial teams Kicker fan. And I'm not a coach. But what I do know about feild goal kicking is that you never look up to see where the ball is going. You watch the foot through the ball to make sure you hit the ball where you want to strike the ball. To hook a kick by missing a grade school fundamental tells me we've seen the best we've going to see out of Mr. Brown. Missing the long one I got no problem with that. The shanked one was inexcusable. That'll get Mr. Brown sellin' washers at Sears PDQ with this head coach.
Are you making the following assumptions?
1) Flanagan can play another year or Hodgdon steps up
2) Spencer, still a rookie, comes back with no ill effects from his injury
3) Winston pans out and is as good as advertised by his fans
4) Weary is good enough at guard
5) Salaam is good enough to be the back-up next year after this year's toll on his body
I don't think we've had that much work out positively for our o-line in five years.
We are going to need a combination of moves in free agency and the draft to finally get the line moving and keep it moving in the right direction.
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real
Guest
I'm not a fan of drafting kickers or punters at this stage in our franchise...
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
1. Hodgon would of been my starter from day one untill the kid spit the bit or got hurt. There is a reason guys like Bruce Mathews make the HOF. To play that long , at that high a level is quite remarkable. Salaam should be given every considerationt for come back player of the year. I don't know and I ain't in the loop, but on one and I mean no one projected this kind of production out of Salaam. As far as I'm concerned, Salaam is our swing tackle for as long as he wants it. I didn't put center down because between the two we have good centers. Can't fix everything in one draft.Defense is desperate for an infusion of tallent.
2. IS the reason I'm high on taking an OLT prospect early. It seems to me everyone is placing a whole lot of hope into Spencer's leg. I believe Spencer is the real deal. But to go into the spring not knowing whether or not he'll have the same foot speed to cover the OLT spot is too much of a seasonal gamble to me. Get the young gun then Kubes' problem becomes which beast to paly where. I believe he is smart enough to figgure that one out. With out the young gun, we're trolling for free agents and the second day Seth Wand's of the world. As I posted, that is much too leaky a vessel too put that much hope in. I believe if Spence can't come back 100% by the start of the '07 season he could challange several spots in the o-line. With Salaam as the swing, we're three deep there. Barring a castostorphy, the o-line should be set for several years. Whoever the starting QB or running backs are in the future, they'll be stepping behind a very strong base.
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Guest
If i'm not mistaken, Spencer didn't tear or sprain any ligaments....I think he just fractured a bone.....
I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on T.V but if I'm not mistaken when bones heal they normally are stronger than before....And if he didn't mess up any ligaments it shouldn't affect his mobility too much...
Fractures and breaks IMO, are easier to come back from than Ligament tears and things of that nature...
Spencer should come back just as good and maybe even a little better....
JMO...
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
As I stated in a previous post up the page, I wouldn't pick up a RB in the first or possibly second round. Yes, I do think we've got bigger holes to fill. That's why I want defensive players and some Oline before a RB as I noted in the previous post as well.
I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. I agree with you on the past draft as well. Outstanding!
I feel the same way. I believe these positions can be filled by holding tryouts during the offseason instead of using draft picks.
Nice thread. There's alot of interesting points and scenarios being made. Man, our MBs the best comparatively speaking.
If you are talking about Hart from Michigan he isnt a good fit on this team. Remember the one cut and run that Kubiak stresses? Well he doesnt do it. He "dances". He is like Morency...which is why we shouldnt waste a draft pick on him. How do I know? I go to IU and I watched Hart and the Michigan crew stomp us. Hart is talented but not right for our system. The last good RB from Michigan that comes to mind was Chris Perry. In college he was gross. I dont think he has lived up to his potential in Cincy.
Anyhow, I really dont think we should draft a RB next draft because of the gaping holes we have on both lines and the back 7 on D. Gado, Lundy, and maybe Taylor are good enough for next year. Remember once we get depth and youth on our line, our running game should improve. Im one for drafting the best player as long as its not a qb, te, wr, or rb (then trade down). Then start to go with needs.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
We NEED to keep Sherman on our staff
Glacier
Waterboy
hmmm..who to pick....
A half back that can punish is all this offense needs now, other than some time to let the young O Linemen get healthy and jell...
Peterson would be good as a 1-2 punch with Dominack Davis, once he gets back to health.
Bush from Louiseville could be REALLY good if he gets healthy.
A half back that can punish is all this offense needs now, other than some time to let the young O Linemen get healthy and jell...
Peterson would be good as a 1-2 punch with Dominack Davis, once he gets back to health.
Bush from Louiseville could be REALLY good if he gets healthy.
Sadly, DD is probably done. Bob Allen asked him if his knee was "bone-on-bone" and his answer was "pretty much" as I recall. There just does not appear to be much (if any) tread left on his wheels. That said, we have bigger needs to fill IMO...like (2) OLB's, (2) OL, DT, CB, FS, P and Kicker.
Texanator14
Practice Squad
I agree with most of you in that we need to build our defense through the draft. Personally I think the secondary is the weakest part and with where we should be picking come april i'm pretty sure that we'll be giving Laron Landry a long look. Then in the Second round I'd go with Paul Poslusney if he slips that far. Just imagine him and Demeco flying to the ball every play. If he's not there maybe we take Brian Leonard the FB from Rutgers. He's got to be better than Jameel Cook and since we use the FB more than other offenses he could be an offensive weapon for us. After that I'd recommend taking a RB in the third cause I think D-Dave is done and there should be some steals there. After that we should go secondary, O-line, and wide receiver.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
I don't think we will though. I think Sherman will get a head coaching job next season. It'd be great if he didn't though.
As for our needs, I'll list them in order:
LB-Demeco's great. Everyone else sucks
Secondary-Either a cornerback or a safety. Dunta is good, Petey is average but he's more of a nickle back than a starter.
RB-Chris Taylor, Gado, and Lundy aren't the answer
OL-We still need more help here. I don't know if Drew Hogdon is our center of the future.
WR- Eric Moulds is good as a #2 guy, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and I don't see anything in Kevin Walter that makes me think he'll be our #2 reciever.