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OK now . . let's trade the 1st pick

Marcus

Marcus

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Let's get this show on the road.

Don't let me down, CC, you old horse trader you!
 
My thoughts exactly.

Losing the way we did ensures that there'll be no more "Texans are tanking on purpose" talk.

Now we FOR SURE have Reggie at the number one, and we can pretty much name our price to all the other teams behind us.

If Reggie's draft stock stays where it's at or even rises...then we'll get a whole bunch of help in a hurry.
 
this is going to be the longest continuous arguement in message board history....can we get the draft behind us and part as friends?
 
Someone needs to do a poll. We now have the #1 pick, so what do you want to do with it?

Personally I select Reggie Bush with the first pick in the draft, then bundle my 2 and one of my 3's for a lower first round pick which I use on a LT. Then I take a TE or a LB in the 3rd.

That's just me though.
 
I htink there will be plenty of talent in the 2nd rnd of the draft. We would have the #1 pick there too. There would not be a D'brickshaw, but you could find a starter as long as its not Casserly picking.
 
I just can not believe the insanity of those who want to trade away the #1 pick. For Whom? We have A Need For Someone Who Can Score! Lineman don`t score and a #1 pick shouldn`t be wasted on them. Pass on Bush And Watch him become the next best back in the NFL. How many times have we watched Dominick Davis get tackled from behind. That won`t happen with Bush. We Want Bush!!! WE WANT BUSH!!!!!!!
 
Hervoyel said:
Someone needs to do a poll. We now have the #1 pick, so what do you want to do with it?

Personally I select Reggie Bush with the first pick in the draft, then bundle my 2 and one of my 3's for a lower first round pick which I use on a LT. Then I take a TE or a LB in the 3rd.

That's just me though.
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Now that is VERY do-able. Lets just not trade with TEN again.
 
I say trade the pick for a lower first rounder and pick D'Braksaw. Who knows, Reggie Bush could end up like Ki'Jana Carter, keep following the hype!!!!
 
Bush will be tackled man. Get off the Reggies Man Juice and see him for what he is. He is an excellent athlete, but he is not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Think about it has not even put up the numbers Marshal Faulk did in college. Will he be a good football player. I think so, but to automatically think that he will break tackles and score on every other play or whatever is just assinine. Come on people you guys know football act like it.
 
berkman17 said:
now i just hope reggie doesn't pull a willis mcgahee in the rose bowl
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been thinking about that.

I say we pick Bush unless one of the GMs calls Casserly with a Ditka-esque trade offer.
 
abbest said:
I just can not believe the insanity of those who want to trade away the #1 pick. For Whom? We have A Need For Someone Who Can Score! Lineman don`t score and a #1 pick shouldn`t be wasted on them. Pass on Bush And Watch him become the next best back in the NFL. How many times have we watched Dominick Davis get tackled from behind. That won`t happen with Bush. We Want Bush!!! WE WANT BUSH!!!!!!!
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I don't think it's insanity, I think it's just a different approach to fixing the team. One thing we should all keep in mind as this debate grows into the inevitable 8000 pound gorilla that it's destined to be is that we all want the same thing and that's a better Texans team.

We just disagree on how to get there.
 
Hervoyel said:
Someone needs to do a poll. We now have the #1 pick, so what do you want to do with it?

Personally I select Reggie Bush with the first pick in the draft, then bundle my 2 and one of my 3's for a lower first round pick which I use on a LT. Then I take a TE or a LB in the 3rd.

That's just me though.
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txnfan4eva said:
I say trade the pick for a lower first rounder and pick D'Braksaw. Who knows, Reggie Bush could end up like Ki'Jana Carter, keep following the hype!!!!
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What if `BRICK happens to be a remake of Seth.
 
Coach C. said:
Bush will be tackled man. Get off the Reggies Man Juice and see him for what he is. He is an excellent athlete, but he is not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Think about it has not even put up the numbers Marshal Faulk did in college. Will he be a good football player. I think so, but to automatically think that he will break tackles and score on every other play or whatever is just assinine. Come on people you guys know football act like it.
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I am saying Bush will score on every touch.Bush on the field will make defenses respect the run more and open up the pass. Carr and Johnson are thrilled now.
 
abbest said:
I am saying Bush will score on every touch.Bush on the field will make defenses respect the run more and open up the pass. Carr and Johnson are thrilled now.
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I mean Bush will not score on every touch.
 
txnfan4eva said:
I say trade the pick for a lower first rounder and pick D'Braksaw. Who knows, Reggie Bush could end up like Ki'Jana Carter, keep following the hype!!!!
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Brick could end up like Tony Mandarich. If you're going to be wary of the hype you should keep in mind that there's not a guy projected to go in the first 10-15 picks who doesn't have a bunch of hype surrounding him.

Any choice you make can blow up in your face. Not making one because it might blow up in your face is foolish and timid.

I personally want to pick Reggie but I can absolutely see the point of people wanting to trade the pick. I don't agree but I see where they're going. Anyone who doesn't want to pick him because of some other back who got hurt or didn't carry his team to six Super Bowls has no case.
 
what about a guy who doesnt want to pick him because i think he himself wont be a good back in the nfl.....i just watch him in the games and think....bust. I think he wont survive at his weight, and his particular style of running doesnt strike me as highly effective. Im just saying i'd rather have lendale white as my back than reggie bush
 
I would love us to get a deal along the lines of what Dallas got from Minnesota a while ago for Herschel Walker. We have SOOOOOO many needs (O line, Linebacker, Tight End, etc) that one person is not going to make a difference. Would hate to draft Bush and have him get hurt right away behind a weak line.
 
Another thing, if the Texans really truly wanted another RB, Edge will be available, Alexander, Ricky Williams might(even though hes a nut job), or just trade the pick for someone that is already established so they can take a chance to see if Reggie is going to live up to being the next Walter Peyton.
 
txnfan4eva said:
It'll cost less then a mistake with Bush.
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An even worse argument than the first one. Since we're going for a cost effective draft with big savings why don't we trade all of our first day picks for their equal value in 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders? That way we could save a bunch of money and bring 137 guys to camp! We're bound to find a bunch of hidden gems in there right?
 
With our Zone Blocking scheme.. Bush may do REALLY well.. but he isnt exactly NECESSARY for us to have an effective running game.

With the picks we could get for Bush, we could possibly jump start this team into contention.

I would be happy whichever way we went.
 
It really does concern me that he is too tall and thin for a runningback. He better be ready for a pounding in the NFL--you run sweeps and the linebackers are there waiting for you. :brickwall
 
swtbound07 said:
what about a guy who doesnt want to pick him because i think he himself wont be a good back in the nfl.....i just watch him in the games and think....bust. I think he wont survive at his weight, and his particular style of running doesnt strike me as highly effective. Im just saying i'd rather have lendale white as my back than reggie bush
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I understand that. "Not sold on him" is a valid argument IMO. Again I don't agree but I can accept that as a reason for not wanting to pick him. Ultimately it matters only whether or not the Texans are sold on him.
 
abbest said:
Lineman don`t score and a #1 pick shouldn`t be wasted on them.
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You could line up Terrell Owens on one side and Randy Moss on the other and they wouldn't be able to do squat behind our line. The play would be busted half a second after the ball is snapped. When are people (I'm talking to you Casserly) going to appreciate the fact that a good offensive line is a prerequisite for winning?

Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and Emmitt Smith all get the credit for Cowboys' success, but people forget that the 'boys had one of the best offensive lines in the league during those years. An offensive line that averaged 300 lbs. was unheard of at the time. They were busting holes that you could drive a semi through.

You build a house on a solid foundation. You must build your line FIRST, then build the rest on top of it. You can't skip that crucial first step and expect anything but losing. If the past 4 years haven't taught us that, nothing will, we are hopeless.
 
Hervoyel said:
An even worse argument than the first one. Since we're going for a cost effective draft with big savings why don't we trade all of our first day picks for their equal value in 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders? That way we could save a bunch of money and bring 137 guys to camp! We're bound to find a bunch of hidden gems in there right?
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I'm just saying that I don't see Bush worthy of being a number 1 pick and breaking the bank.
 
I want to point out that I have never said that Bush is not a good player, do I believe all the hype no, have I watched his games and heard what NFL scouts say about him yes. Is he the best player to come out in a long time? No. He is a damn good player, but comparing him to a franchise QB you take the QB everytime. He will be exciting to watch something like Marshal Faulk or Brian Westbrook. That is talent, but we have bigger issues than Reggie Bush. Understand that we can score points we have before, Hell last year we put up points, but what we cant do is block, have a offensive system that makes people respect us, or play defense. See these are issues that cause teams to lose. Pick Reggie or not I personally would say not and get the farm, the farmers wife, and the farmers daughter for him and build this damn Texans farm the right way.
 
Bottom line is you take a chance on greatness. Expert scouts are saying he is one of the highest rated prospects ever. If there is any possibility that this player could be the next Barry Sanders or Gale Sayers you take him. We can always take a D'Brickashaw who has a chance to become one of the better left tackles in the league, or a AJ Hawk who has a chance to become one of the best middle linebackers in the league. But, how often do you have a chance to draft a running back who could become one of the best ever?
 
txnfan4eva said:
Another thing, if the Texans really truly wanted another RB, Edge will be available, Alexander, Ricky Williams might(even though hes a nut job), or just trade the pick for someone that is already established so they can take a chance to see if Reggie is going to live up to being the next Walter Peyton.
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Ummm Walter Payton was a gem that wasn`t expected to be that great like Dominic Davis but Walter Payton was no Earl Campbell either. or Barry Sanders
 
Are these "Expert scouts" the same ones who rated Jason White to be a good QB, or Joey Harrington, or Mike Rozier(if you remember him). I don't believe these so called expert scouts, they do the same thing we do, they look at the players, their games, practices and stats and comment on whether or not they should be a high pick or low pick. The only difference between them and us is they get paid to do it.
 
Johnny Utah if you actually believe that Bush is even comparable to Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders you are sadly mistaken. Both guys put up better numbers in college. I dont want to hear how some kid that has never laced up a cleat in an NFL game compares to HOFers. Compare him to players now, but to some of the greatest players not just RBs to play the game please. Next he will be bigger than the greatest player to play the game Jerry Rice. Or is he already. What a F-ing joke...
 
abbest said:
Ummm Walter Payton was a gem that wasn`t expected to be that great like Dominic Davis but Walter Payton was no Earl Campbell either. or Barry Sanders
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Exactly, he WASN'T expected to be that good. Count how many RB's that were drafted in NFL history in the top 5 who are Hall of Famers!!!!!
 
What are we gonna' do with our plethora of 2nd and 3rd round backs on this team that can't get on the field and Bush too? I've said in another thread that Bush reminds me of "Rocket" Ismail. The "Rocket" could do everything from anyplace on the field but had an average NFL career. Remember Ismail had blazing speed and tremendous cutting ability. He even played at running back some for the Irish. I think Bush will be something to watch but I don't think he is going to be able to change a team. Let's face it, he even splits time in college. If he was "all that," why would you split carries between him and another back. I could see getting a breather once in awhile, but he and White get about even carries. Maybe that will work between him and DD, but is that worth a #1 overall pick? If we don't get another great offer for the 1st pick, I guess we have to take him, but I'd really be looking for a trade.
 
You never know. We may get a better trade from somebody wanting Leinhart. I'm just glad we are numero uno. You want to make absolutely sure you get what you want? YOU COME TO US. :redtowel:
 
Coach C. said:
Johnny Utah if you actually believe that Bush is even comparable to Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders you are sadly mistaken. Both guys put up better numbers in college. I dont want to hear how some kid that has never laced up a cleat in an NFL game compares to HOFers. Compare him to players now, but to some of the greatest players not just RBs to play the game please. Next he will be bigger than the greatest player to play the game Jerry Rice. Or is he already. What a F-ing joke...
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Per touches those guys don't compare to him.

If you watch film Bush's running style is compariable to Sayers because of his ability to cut on a dime and field vision. Everyone has their own opinion, but people who get paid the big bucks say he has HOF potential.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Per touches those guys don't compare to him.

Everyone has their own opinion, but people who get paid the big bucks say he has HOF potential.
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People who get paid the big bucks also said Curtis Enis, Ki-Jana Carter, Lawrence Phillips, and Tim Biakabutuka just to name a few were going to be HOFers!
 
txnfan4eva said:
People who get paid the big bucks also said Curtis Enis, Ki-Jana Carter, Lawrence Phillips, and Tim Biakabutuka just to name a few were going to be HOFers!
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Those guys never had the rating that Bush has.
 
You know we have talent here already on offense just that we were coached by stooges from the stone age. Imagine when Gary Kubiak becomes head coach and you will see the production from the offense putting up COLTS-like numbers.Having a weapon like Bush to go along DC,AJ,DD,Mathis etc. we see a significant difference. I not talking SuperBowl in 2006 but very soo very soon.
 
Here are some thoughts:

1. Interested in seeing how Bush does in the Rose Bowl. Would be nice to see him against real speed. I am non-whelmed with USC's competition this year. Also interested in seeing if the injury/need surgery rumors are true.

2. Generally speaking, I am not terribly interested in amassing lots of picks this year. Our team is really young enough already. But if someone is gonna offer us a crazy deal for Bush, it might be good to take. It would be hard for anyone to live up to Bush's hype. Also, if we are gonna take him, we best get his deal set up before the draft happens--no holdouts.

3. I wanna see what FAs we can attract. Part of that may have to do with what coach we get. We need someone that peeps want to play for.

4. Not sure there is a top 10 LT in the draft despite the hype.

5. Gonna root for whoever we get.texanpride




BTW, John Lopez can eat dirt re: Babin. Nice game Jason.
 
We have four of the first 66 picks in the draft. If we don't trade, I would expect nothing less than these 4 playing significant minutes beginning in week 1.
 
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