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**Official Game-Day Thread** Texans at Patriots, Sunday Sept 24, 2017!!

TheMatrix31 said:
Yeah but there's only one way to ice the game for sure, and that's by converting the 4th and 1.
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I think if you want to beat the best , you take chances . I didn't like the 3rd down call and figured they were going with that option thing Watson had been running .

i thought at one point the Texans were stuffing the ball right down the Pats throats with Foreman and running the ball . The Texans were killing the clock in the 4th and had them until they ran three straight pass plays that were incomplete and stopped the clock . I thought they could have easily shortened the game .
 
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ROO said:
Converting the 3rd and 1 wouldn't have hurt either.

Instead, Miller up the middle for no gain.
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That's on Miller though...his vision is just terrible and he doesn't run hard at all. Can't wait for blue to get back
 
Mr teX said:
That's on Miller though...his vision is just terrible and he doesn't run hard at all. Can't wait for blue to get back
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I understand, but to me, it is on O'Brien. Considering that Miller has bad vision and doesn't run hard, would YOU have called that play on third and one? Probably not because you can see that Miller isn't a "smash it up the middle with 9 defenders in the box" kind of a guy. Why can't O'brien see that?

How many times since Miller got here has he been sent up the middle and been stuffed? There is a trend there, and if O'brien can't see that, he needs to open his damn eyes and watch some film.
 
JB said:
why wasn't Foreman in that last series?
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Who knows. It doesn't matter though. I was ok with OB going for the fog there making it a 4 pt game to force the pats to go the length of the field. If we don't get it, all Brady has to do is get them in fog range.
 
4th &1 QB runs have an 80% conversion rate. That's all QBs, not just QBs as athletic as Watson. Kicking a FG (which had a 12-15% higher success rate than the 4th&1) was playing the scoreboard, but not playing the clock. Brady already had 2 TD drives of 75+ yards at 2:17 and 2:15. Had the Texans converted on that 4th&1, The Texans could have made the Pats burn their timeout, and left them with 1:20 or less on the clock. Even if the Texans eventually kick the FG for a 5 point lead, the Pats chances reduce substantially.
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I think football is the last sport to embrace statistical analysis. Coaches concentrate on what's the worst thing that could happen, rather than the most likely. I don't think the Texans had to play perfect to win today. But they had to play and coach smart. Kicking that FG at 2:24 was not smart.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Players are not taking a stand against our military or the country as a whole. There is injustice in this country and they are taking a stand against the cops who are unfairly abusing the rights of African Americans while our leaders turn a blind eye. Bad police are never convicted or they get a slap on the wrist. You and Donald Trump and anyone else condemning the protest have not seen your rights abused by officers in this country. Not only is there injustice in singling out African Americans and minorities in general, there has been killings and beatings that never should have happened.

When police start fairly policing all Americans than there will be no need to stand against injustice. An injustice against one American is an injustice against all. The fact is that the protest started by Colin Kaepernick has grown and it has led to people discussing the matter. If it can change things for the better all around than it is a discussion I am glad we are having.

Many of these athletes protesting do a lot of good in their communities and they have the right to take stands against injustice just as all Americans do.

I hardly see the act of sitting during the Anthem as being that big of a distraction. It is a short period of time and the focus goes back to football and any other sport being played.
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In one aspect or another everyone faces injustice. I'm so sick of the political BS, most the people who have faced injustice from cops have deserved it. Sure you have a few unjustified shootings, but that happens against every race, but it is only actual news if it is a black person it happens to. If anything blacks are protected more and have more rights than any race. How about these over paid athletes shut up and do what they get paid to do. After all isn't like 90% of the NFL black ?

PS - I am done with the NFL for a long time as well. **** all of them !
 
Kind of nice to be talking about whether we should have gone for it on 4th down/refs sucked/BOB's time management rather than how cataclysmic the season is going to be. I went from pumped that we were competitive and actually looked like the better team today, to pissed that we didn't close out the game because of a 3rd and 1 call/clock management/dropped int/poor pass prevent defense -- then back to fairly happy that we were in the game and I even got to be pissed about those things.
 
well well well............that was more entertaining than I though.


Good game :D


Even in loss I was entertained, so the Texans are capable of playing a good game once in a while.


Brady looks old and tired, but man this guy can ball!!!!


Oh and Tennesse and Jacksonville have grown up and are competitive these days.
 
Carr Bombed said:
No more than it does with the talent of coaching..

You have a 240 pound 240+ Doak Walker award winner and you keep handling the damn ball off who has clearly shown he's not a ******* inside runner...WHY!? Why the hell did we do that!?
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Agreed... but did you even expect the Texans to be in position to close out the game with under 3 minutes left, based on the comparative talent?
 
Carr Bombed said:
No more than it does with the talent of coaching..

You have a 240 pound 240+ Doak Walker award winner and you keep handling the damn ball off who has clearly shown he's not a ******* inside runner...WHY!? Why the hell did we do that!?
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& this was after he assured us he did not forget about him & that Foreman would get more carries. This game was never out of hand & Foreman only had eight carries.
 
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JB said:
Agreed... but did you even expect the Texans to be in position to close out the game with under 3 minutes left, based on the comparative talent?
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To be honest.. no I didn't at all (I expected a beat down), but since we were, it only pisses me off more and adds to my potential Cirrhosis of my liver (I'll drink many of beers tonight..trust me).. we should've won that game and the disparity in coaching was glaring. We should've won that game and I'm done with running Lamar Miller up the damn middle...he ******* sucks at that. Why our damn coach can't see that who the hell knows? Excuse me while I have another beer, because this one truly hurt. Why the hell did we even draft Foreman if we're not going to ******* use him?
 
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I understand, but to me, it is on O'Brien. Considering that Miller has bad vision and doesn't run hard, would YOU have called that play on third and one? Probably not because you can see that Miller isn't a "smash it up the middle with 9 defenders in the box" kind of a guy. Why can't O'brien see that?

How many times since Miller got here has he been sent up the middle and been stuffed? There is a trend there, and if O'brien can't see that, he needs to open his damn eyes and watch some film.
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I'm with you and I think short yardage stuff should be handled by Foreman or Blue (when he's back).

But trying to make sense of it all, I'm guessing it's because we want every play to have options. I mean, isn't this exactly what we were complaining about Kubiak? QB had zero options at the LOS? Having Foreman in the backfield pretty much shows our hand. We're going to try to run this up the middle. But by having a more versatile guy like Miller in the backfield, we at least have options at the LOS. Watson can easily change it to a pass play since Miller is a better receiver and pass protector than Foreman. Or he can even change it to a run play outside the tackles.

Once again, I would have preferred Foreman in on that play. Just taking a guess on why BOB stuck with Miller there.

It's also not like Miller was having a horrible game. He had a higher YPC than Foreman today.
 
dream_team said:
I'm with you and I think short yardage stuff should be handled by Foreman or Blue (when he's back).

But trying to make sense of it all, I'm guessing it's because we want every play to have options. I mean, isn't this exactly what we were complaining about Kubiak? QB had zero options at the LOS? Having Foreman in the backfield pretty much shows our hand. We're going to try to run this up the middle. But by having a more versatile guy like Miller in the backfield, we at least have options at the LOS. Watson can easily change it to a pass play since Miller is a better receiver and pass protector than Foreman. Or he can even change it to a run play outside the tackles.

Once again, I would have preferred Foreman in on that play. Just taking a guess on why BOB stuck with Miller there.

It's also not like Miller was having a horrible game. He had a higher YPC than Foreman today.
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I only listened to the radio broadcast so don't know, but what personnel did the Texans have in for that 3rd and 1? Did the force Branch to the sideline? If not, that inside run was doomed to fail
 
Lol I can see a certain (favorite) thread that I'll be hitting up tonight.. just hope that all my "rowdy friends" will be there..

P.S.

Pot smokers are more than welcome as well. **** them all. God I hate today's loss
 
dream_team said:
I'm with you and I think short yardage stuff should be handled by Foreman or Blue (when he's back).

But trying to make sense of it all, I'm guessing it's because we want every play to have options. I mean, isn't this exactly what we were complaining about Kubiak? QB had zero options at the LOS? Having Foreman in the backfield pretty much shows our hand. We're going to try to run this up the middle. But by having a more versatile guy like Miller in the backfield, we at least have options at the LOS. Watson can easily change it to a pass play since Miller is a better receiver and pass protector than Foreman. Or he can even change it to a run play outside the tackles.

Once again, I would have preferred Foreman in on that play. Just taking a guess on why BOB stuck with Miller there.

It's also not like Miller was having a horrible game. He had a higher YPC than Foreman today.
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Wait... who was the more versatile RB today? Who made the big passing plays?
 
Carr Bombed said:
To be honest.. no I didn't at all (I expected a beat down), but since we were, it only pisses me off more and adds to my potential Cirrhosis of my liver (I'll drink many of beers tonight..trust me).. we should've won that game and the disparity in coaching was glaring. We should've won that game and I'm done with running Lamar Miller up the damn middle...he ******* sucks at that. Why our damn coach can't see that who the hell knows? Excuse me while I have another beer, because this one truly hurt. Why the hell did we even draft Foreman if we're not going to ******* use him?
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Our defensive backs were getting beat for big plays all day today... but you want to focus solely on why Foreman wasn't the guy running the ball on 3rd & 1? If Foreman was having a monster game and couldn't be stopped, then I would understand. But he wasn't having anything close to a good game himself.
 
JB said:
Wait... who was the more versatile RB today? Who made the big passing plays?
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Yes, I think Miller (right now) is the more versatile back. I mean if we're gonna go by just today, then Miller was actually running the ball better than Foreman. But I think Foreman is a better pure runner than Miller.
 
dream_team said:
Yes, I think Miller (right now) is the more versatile back. I mean if we're gonna go by just today, then Miller was actually running the ball better than Foreman. But I think Foreman is a better pure runner than Miller.
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I think the issue is more that the Patriots expected that call and OB gave them just that. If that had to be the play call, then have Foreman in for that... but it should have been something different
 
Re-watching the 4th quarter. Key play at 12:22, 3rd & 3. Watson overthrows Anderson in the end zone. Watson has to make that throw, Anderson was open.

But my question deals with the flag thrown. Refs said there was no defensive holding on the RB due to the timing of the pass. See the picture below. #98 grabbed Miller as he was trying to release, while Watson still had the ball. In fact, he may even be looking right at Miller at this moment. Should the defensive holding been called? I'm not sure because they are still behind the LOS, but I don't believe that matters? If that was called, would have resulted in 1st & goal.

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dream_team said:
Re-watching the 4th quarter. Key play at 12:22, 3rd & 3. Watson overthrows Anderson in the end zone. Watson has to make that throw, Anderson was open.

But my question deals with the flag thrown. Refs said there was no defensive holding on the RB due to the timing of the pass. See the picture below. #89 grabbed Miller as he was trying to release, while Watson still had the ball. In fact, he may even be looking right at Miller at this moment. Should the defensive holding been called? I'm not sure because they are still behind the LOS, but I don't believe that matters? If that was called, would have resulted in 1st & goal.

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If Watson completes this pass we're on here celebrating and even more pumped about his potential.

Wow so many opportunities squandered away.
 
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Watching that 27 yard pass play to Amendola on 3rd & 18. I don't believe in blaming a loss on one person. But if you made me pick, I'd have to go with Andre Hal. He was out of position on this play, just like he was on alot of other big plays today.

To add fuel to the fire, Clowney was held at the LOS.
 
I watched the game. Watson is real thing. Imagine what he might be like with a season under his belt. We never had a QB like this. Yeah it was a loss and that’s a pi55er. But the future looks better than ever.
 
dream_team said:
Re-watching the 4th quarter. Key play at 12:22, 3rd & 3. Watson overthrows Anderson in the end zone. Watson has to make that throw, Anderson was open.

But my question deals with the flag thrown. Refs said there was no defensive holding on the RB due to the timing of the pass. See the picture below. #98 grabbed Miller as he was trying to release, while Watson still had the ball. In fact, he may even be looking right at Miller at this moment. Should the defensive holding been called? I'm not sure because they are still behind the LOS, but I don't believe that matters? If that was called, would have resulted in 1st & goal.

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This was one of the dumbest things. Gronkowski got a cheapie defensive holding call earlier. If that was, then this was.

But yeah, Watson needed to hit Anderson. Crucial play in that situation.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He could have possibly gotten it or he might not have.........they would have stacked the box for sure.
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PA by slamming Foreman (exactly what the Pats would've expected) into the middle and having Watson on the move with a run or throw option might have been the better play.
 
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Malloy said:
they shoud still have flagged the holding, and we would have declined the flag.

Horrible NE-style call... as usual...
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Actually, there were so many non called holding penalties against NE and push-offs by Gronk that I'm still convinced that they're getting special calls...

Why did Trump no go against fake calls in the NFL instead? :)
 
In reflection of this game...it would probably be correct to place the blame for this loss on the DB's and lack of QB pressure when the team needed it the most. 2 blown coverages led to 2 NE TD's that even, may I dare say, Osweiler might've completed. That provided 14 of the easiest points the Patriots may get all year. Remove those points or give the Pats a couple of FG's instead and I think the Texans would've been in good shape...best of all, it would've taken the required crucial thinking out of O'Brien's hands.

One more time for the book...I hated the way the officials ignored Watson's efforts in trying to call that final timeout. The officials allowed anywhere from 6-8 seconds to elapse before giving the timeout...that's possibly 2 plays with a timeout in play.

On a side note: Watson and Foreman are the future at both of their respective positions. I'd like to see O'Brien go ahead and get his two young talents on the field together from Game 4 on so they can start building that bond and trust that will help the team going forward. I would like to see Miller's roll slightly reduced by getting him up to 12 touches a game with Foreman getting anywhere between 15-20 touches. But, when Blue is ready, I wouldn't mind seeing RS marketing Miller to prospective takers in order to gain another pick in 2018...if possible. Also, Foreman hasn't disappointed in his ability to catch the ball when given the chance. Like other big backs, I think the more touches Foreman receives the more effective he probably becomes.
 
Starting OL this week earned another start next week. Our two best OL right now are both of our centers. Glad the narrative this week isn't "the OL lost the game". They weren't great but they were serviceable. Hopefully another week of practice and working with the guy next to you pays off. OL has been a huge concern for us and will continue to be until they sync up some.
 
dream_team said:
Our defensive backs were getting beat for big plays all day today... but you want to focus solely on why Foreman wasn't the guy running the ball on 3rd & 1? If Foreman was having a monster game and couldn't be stopped, then I would understand. But he wasn't having anything close to a good game himself.
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The Texans have a secondary? I saw guys stand flatfooted as the pats WR's ran free on 3rd downs, or our secondary always held their jersey's if they were close. Good plays.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
One more time for the book...I hated the way the officials ignored Watson's efforts in trying to call that final timeout. The officials allowed anywhere from 6-8 seconds to elapse before giving the timeout...that's possibly 2 plays with a timeout in play.
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It was reported that 6-8 extra seconds could have been left on the clock, had the clock been stopped when Watson was first seen to call for TO. That TO would have been the Texans' last TO since they lost one on their earlier failed challenge. That would have left us at most time for 2 plays, but likely only the one play we were already left to run.
 
dream_team said:
Watson overthrows Anderson in the end zone. Watson has to make that throw, Anderson was open.
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On the post game show on 790, Sean Jones said that Anderson slowed down and that's why he looked over thrown.

I didn't notice it on that play but I haven't rewatched. I have seen our receivers quit on routes since Watson's been in at QB. Maybe it's because their used to play be over in 2 seconds because they practiced with Savage.


TheMatrix31 said:
Pisses me off how awful the secondary was. And how the game could have been iced if Corey Moore just held on. And everything else.

It's so exhausting.
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We saved all that money not paying Bouye so we could shore up the oline and upgrade our receivers and besides we iron man Kevin Johnson.

Oh wait...that's not what happened.

Saw Glover Quinn make plays yesterday, wish we would have drafted that guy.

Oh wait....this could go on forever so I'll stop.
 
I have read through this thread and I did not see one time where anybody complained about not calling a time out the second the receiver went down, leaving us 12 seconds on the clock. Yes, I did see Watson attempt to call a TO with 6 seconds left (it was not granted), but why in the heck did BOB not call it the very second the receiver hit the ground?!?!?! That's 12 seconds to play with, a couple quick outs and kick the long FG. Is this not why we kept Fairbairn?!?!? Send it to OT and we still have a chance.

BOB's clock management is some of the worst I have ever seen in the NFL. Unacceptable!!!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It was reported that 6-8 extra seconds could have been left on the clock, had the clock been stopped when Watson was first seen to call for TO. That TO would have been the Texans' last TO since they lost one on their earlier failed challenge. That would have left us at most time for 2 plays, but likely only the one play we were already left to run.
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And that was a bogus call as well. The Quarterback (Tom Brady was basically on the ground) so that should've been intentional grounding and lost of down.
 
Credit Bill Belichick and Tom Brady for taking full advantage of a secondary that was use to playing with one another. Man that injury bug killed us in that department.
 
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