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**Official Game-Day Thread** 49ers at Texans, Sunday Dec 10, 2017!!

Just put Savage on injured reserve for the rest of the year and sign a few random QBs. Maybe we'll get lucky. LOL
 
mussop said:
I’m not even saying he sucks. I’m just saying people need to stop acting like he’s the next Brady until he actually plays well enough to deserve it. He’s done NOTHING to deserve all the elite talk.
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Are people saying he’s elite? That’s definitely off base.
 
Well, at least it was fun for about 8 minutes in the third quarter.
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Thorn said:
Just put Savage on injured reserve for the rest of the year and sign a few random QBs. Maybe we'll get lucky. LOL
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Why not just bring in Kaep and RG3 and have an open competition? Odds are if either one plays they will end up on the IR just like most everyone else.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Somebody missed an obvious concussion to Savage. Following his head bouncing off the ground, both of his arms went up in the air with his hands flexed and spastic muscular tentany.............classic "fencer's" pose for concussion. Our medical staff and neurologist need to be reviewed/re-evaluated carefully . The Concussion Protocol continues to be a joke.
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This.
 
I really am done with this team. That’s disgusting and I would have left immediatey had I seen that live, but I got to the bar at halftime due to the fact that watching the team is not enjoyable in any fashion.

That’s totally disgusting. **** this organization.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Par for the course with this medical staff. Didn’t tell Watt that his first microdiscectomy didn’t work and let him think he just overworked himself into another injury. Letting seizing QBs go back into the game. Countless injuries. Same ****, new year.
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It's not the Texans' staff on this issue. There is an independent doc, hired by the NFL concussion committee, who does game day concussion assessment.
 
They wear red jerseys, they usually lose. Mullet will have an overall losing record if they lose out.
 
infantrycak said:
It's not the Texans' staff on this issue. There is an independent doc, hired by the NFL concussion committee, who does game day concussion assessment.
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He’s just a check for the actual staff themselves. And the staff completely failed another player. The same practice that are the official practice of the Texans because McNair is buds with the board members.

**** McNair and **** this organization.
 
infantrycak said:
No he is not. He performs the official test. The staff cannot overrule.
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They can’t overrule if he determines that the player cannot go back in. There is no independent doctor in any situation that has to force the Texans staff to put a player back in if they are not comfortable with it.

If the staff is too incompetent to review tape and do their own test, and make their own determination, they are incompetent and negligent.
 
TexansSeminole said:
They can’t overrule if he determines that the player cannot go back in. There is no independent doctor in any situation that has to force the Texans staff to put a player back in if they are not comfortable with it.

If the staff is too incompetent to review tape and do their own test, and make their own determination, they are incompetent and negligent.
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Have you ever looked at an NFL team medical staff? They are dominated by orthopedists. The NFL sends board certified neurologists. They are the real experts on the issue.
 
infantrycak said:
Have you ever looked at an NFL team medical staff? They are dominated by orthopedists. The NFL sends board certified neurologists. They are the real experts on the issue.
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So, you’re saying that with the current state of perception on the concussion issue, teams don’t hire their own experts on the matter? Should they?

The team failed another player. This organization is trash in almost every respect. Trash that lies to their players about their injuries.

Oh look, the Pittsburgh Steelers have a Neurosurgeon on staff. Dr. Joseph Maroon.
 
infantrycak said:
Have you ever looked at an NFL team medical staff? They are dominated by orthopedists. The NFL sends board certified neurologists. They are the real experts on the issue.
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Doesn’t matter if they were doctors if chiropractic treatment. Savage looked like he had a seizure on the field. How do you let someone back in after that? We all saw it and knew something very wrong happened and he did not need to go back in the game. Come to find out it is classic fencing response that even EMTs are trained on. Any neurologist would be able to see it and should have kept him out of the game.
 
I think it looks better to have the league provide independents so they aren't beholden to the team.

No idea how this got missed. The only thing I can come up with was the independent didn't see the play or re-play and went solely off the test and by that time he was no longer twitching. Having said that, re-testing is normal.
 
It’s pretty clear. The team relied on the independent doctor and didn’t care to do their own review or test and the independent doctor was incompetent, which makes the team incompetent. The team did the bare minimum by the rules, because they don’t care about their players. That’s been proven time and time again. The same team that has a history of screwing over their players with their medical assessments and treatments.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Par for the course with this medical staff. Didn’t tell Watt that his first microdiscectomy didn’t work and let him think he just overworked himself into another injury. Letting seizing QBs go back into the game. Countless injuries. Same ****, new year.
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How the hell do we have such a crappy medical staff when we have the largest medical center with some of the best doctors in the world? What happened with Savage is inexcusable. CND should be the team doctor. There is 0 accountability with the Texans. We desperately need someone to take charge of football operations, evaluate everything and make necessary changes and change this bullshit corporate style decision making that doesn’t work.
 
TexansFight said:
How the hell do we have such a crappy medical staff when we have the largest medical center with some of the best doctors in the world? What happened with Savage is inexcusable. CND should be the team doctor. There is 0 accountability with the Texans. We desperately need someone to take charge of football operations, evaluate everything and make necessary changes and change this bullshit corporate style decision making that doesn’t work.
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The 1st pick inn franchise history was Boselli. I think that speaks volumes. It's gotten worse as the yrs have gone by.

DDW career = RIP thanks to the Texans medical staff. That doesn't even compare to not making Foreman get the foot surgery he needed before the season started. Nope, these bastions in the healthcare community let him heal it naturally. LOL, Brilliant until Foreman blew out his achillies. You tell me is that bad drafting/the Texans medical team sucking.

CND predicted this would happen. But hey, man some people on this MB say that I'm not a fan.
 
Bill on Tom:

He got hit on that one play in the endzone. Spotter wanted him evaluated. We evaluated him. At that time, made the determination, NOT ME, to put him back in the game. He went back in. Then he came out, evaluated him more because of what they saw. That's where it's at. That's all I really know about it John.

He doesn't want to come out. Again, that's in the medical people's hands. They try to make the best decision for the player. ... They weren't satisfied with the 2nd test & pulled him.



Jason La Canfora
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Spoke to someone who was recently in contact with Tom Savage. Said the QB was feeling okay, able to drive home, after suffering concussion
7:35 PM – Dec 10, 2017

Mark Berman
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Bill O’Brien: "We’re not very good, not very good. It starts with me. If I knew the answers obviously it would be better. Like I’ve said every time when we don’t go out there and play well, it’s a reflection on me and how I’m coaching."
4:33 PM – Dec 10, 2017 · Houston,
 
steelbtexan said:
The 1st pick inn franchise history was Boselli. I think that speaks volumes. It's gotten worse as the yrs have gone by.
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Boselli was cleared by NFL docs to even be in the expansion draft. It was his "uninjured" shoulder that ended his career.

DDW career = RIP thanks to the Texans medical staff.
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Nope, just ran out of cartilage.

That doesn't even compare to not making Foreman get the foot surgery he needed before the season started. Nope, these bastions in the healthcare community let him heal it naturally. LOL, Brilliant until Foreman blew out his achillies. You tell me is that bad drafting/the Texans medical team sucking.
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Can't make players have surgery. Just like Clowney elected not to have bone spur surgery.

CND predicted this would happen.
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Nope, said Watson might have problems completing seasons due to the rights. He didn't predict a non-contact practice injury no matter how many times you repeat it.
 
I've been down on Tom Savage all year. But when I saw that hit and his hands shaking, I really couldn't concentrate on the game. I was worried about him and I still am. Also, I was thinking about his family.

Today I was thinking what if that was Deshaun Watson? What if he was handled the way Savage was? More fans would be calling for the heads of the medical staff, people in the booths, and the refs. That's all we'd be talking about today.

I know Watson is a much greater QB than Savage. But from all reports he's just as respected in the locker room and just as much of a genuinely good guy as Watson.

I'm happy to hear there is an investigation opened into this terrible event. Savage is a guy that's playing for his NFL future, the future of his family. Naturally he wanted back in. But someone should have shut him down. The damn ref was leaning over Savage as he was twitching on the ground. Something has to change before someone dies out there. It might have happened yesterday if Savage suffered another brain jarring hit when he was allowed back in the game.
 
banned1976 said:
Savage is a guy that's playing for his NFL future, the future of his family. Naturally he wanted back in. But someone should have shut him down. The damn ref was leaning over Savage as he was twitching on the ground. Something has to change before someone dies out there. It might have happened yesterday if Savage suffered another brain jarring hit when he was allowed back in the game.
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Like the announcer said, "Players wanna play. It's the staff's job to protect them from themselves."
 
According to the NFL, there is a collegiality responsibility "clause", for lack of a better term, that dictates if a player, referee or whomever see's something unusual happening with a player that person should make it known to the team or the officials. So IMO what should have happened is that referee that was standing 2 feet away from Savage and saw him in that fencing pose he should have called an official time out and he should have spoken to the team doctors and the neurologist on the sideline and told them what he saw.

Maybe I'm going on too much about this but I really do care about the players health and safety. I don't want to read anymore Junior Seau type stories. I have an 11 year old son and for the first time in my life I don't want him playing football at any level. And that's saying a lot because I've been in a (one sided) love affair with football for 40+ years.
 
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