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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

DocBar said:
Andrew Luck: career Y/A 7.1 4.9 TD% 2.6 INT%

Brock Osweiler: Career Y/A 6.3(5.8 in HOU) 3.3 TD% (3.1 in HOU) 2.6 INT% (3.1 in HOU). I love statistics. lol
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Andrew Luck: Has generated more turnovers in his 5 year career than any other player in the league during that same time frame.

Andrew Luck: 8-11 in the last two seasons with 22 INTs and an ~85% rating. On the same team with the same HC. No playoff expected.

Brock Osweiler: 13-8 in the last two seasons with 20 INTs and a ~78% rating. On two different teams. Potentially putting 2 different teams in the playoffs.

I love stats too!
 
Here another fun little stat:

Luck and Osweiler have the exact same number of completions over the last two seasons: 444

Luck has more yards, TD's and higher rating while Brock has better completion %, fewer INTs (and lower rate) and 5 more wins.
 
Thorn said:
All you guys putting up numbers for BO, I'll bet you'd trade him for Luck any day of the week.
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Absolutely, but it will never happen.
Point is though Thorn, Osweiler is our best option right now and he is not as bad as some people would insist.
Sure, we would like to see a more interesting game plan, but at the moment we have a winning formula.
We have to trust what BO is doing with the team - our depth is paper thin after all these injuries and many are playing injured.
We just have to hope they can hang on and get some healthy guys back and make a strong run into the playoffs.
 
Runner said:
Bulls on Parade said:
What if I told you that Brock Osweiler is going to lead the Houston Texans deep into the playoffs?
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I'd say your fantasies don't impact what I see on the field in real life.
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sandman said:
Andrew Luck: Has generated more turnovers in his 5 year career than any other player in the league during that same time frame.

Andrew Luck: 8-11 in the last two seasons with 22 INTs and an ~85% rating. On the same team with the same HC. No playoff expected.

Brock Osweiler: 13-8 in the last two seasons with 20 INTs and a ~78% rating. On two different teams. Potentially putting 2 different teams in the playoffs.

I love stats too!
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Tom Savage......

Aww who really cares.
 
what's going to be interesting from this benching is how it plays out with the front office.

~ will teflon Rick survive the "ok, maybe we didn't do that much QB research" to warrant that much money?
~ will this start the shift from boardroom to NFL room mentality for McNair?
~ still seeing the odd play calls with Savage in, is it BOB or Godsey?

Stay tuned boys and girls
 
OzzO said:
what's going to be interesting from this benching is how it plays out with the front office.

~ will teflon Rick survive the "ok, maybe we didn't do that much QB research" to warrant that much money?
~ will this start the shift from boardroom to NFL room mentality for McNair?
~ still seeing the odd play calls with Savage in, is it BOB or Godsey?

Stay tuned boys and girls
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Honestly? Denver wanted him as their QB. We all know the story. Either Elway/Kubiak missed badly too, or Brock himself is to blame for this one. I'm going with Brock failing more than I am a horrible FO decision.
 
Oh, I agree quite a bit on Brock being part of the failure....but if there's gonna be any aftershocks that affect others related to the decision of (1) bringing him in and now (2) benching him.

That was a lot to throw at him to get him to Houston, yeah couldn't have done much in the draft, but coulda run with what the Texans had the previous year, no real improvement this year.

I just think this benching and seeing what Savage could do in the same game maaaaaaybe opened some FO eyes
 
Maybe this is just one of those offenses QBs have to sit on the bench for a year or two before you can actually run it. Still leaning towards both the offense scheme and BO suck ... I'm still weary on Savage though
 
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Hervoyel said:
Nobody in their right mind is going to trade a wooden nickle for Brock Osweiler. He's going to "compete" for the starting job in 2017 against Savage (assuming Savage finishes out this year and plays well) and then get kicked to the curb or traded for an 9th round pick and a gumball before the 2018 season.
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I think you seriously undervalue a quarterback who has been on the MVP Watch List all year.
 
I'm hoping Osweiler never plays a down for the Texans ever again. And, I'm also hoping Brandon Weeden will be named the starter before the end of the year, as Weeden gives the Texans the best chance to advance in the post season.
 
Thorsson said:
I'm hoping Osweiler never plays a down for the Texans ever again. And, I'm also hoping Brandon Weeden will be named the starter before the end of the year, as Weeden gives the Texans the best chance to advance in the post season.
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If it gets down to Weeden needing to be named starter within the next 2 weeks, other than injuries, there isn't going to be any post season.
 
As far as I know LIL OZ is 100% healthy and has started all 14 games this season yet he was benched last Sunday in favor for Tom Savage. Obrien now says Tom Savage will start the next game and gives the team the best chance to win even though he has only played 3/4 of a game all year. Man.....what does that say about Osweiler and Obrien's opinion of him? What a cluster f*** this quarterback situation is. Here we go again!
 
Thorsson said:
I'm hoping Osweiler never plays a down for the Texans ever again. And, I'm also hoping Brandon Weeden will be named the starter before the end of the year, as Weeden gives the Texans the best chance to advance in the post season.
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I'll say this for ya, you won't give up.

There's no data that indicates you're right, but you won't let that stop you.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'll say this for ya, you won't give up.

There's no data that indicates you're right, but you won't let that stop you.
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We are saving our secret weapon, Weeden, for the playoff run where there won't be any tape on him. Brilliant scheme. Sorry bud, I rewatched Brandon over the summer with my game pass as I had good feelings, he was nothing special even in that Indy win. Ok as a backup but that is it. Tom if he can stay healthy has a lot more of my interest, natural pocket presence, make the throws, and seems to be able to see the field. He takes the hits though, so needs to unload a bit quicker sometimes or get better armor
 
I'm not a fan of Stephen A, but....................................... I love his analagy of borrowing money in this VIDEO................at least, makes you pause.

Stephen A. says Osweiler is done in Houston

Stephen A. Smith believes that Brock Osweiler does not have the support of the Texans fan base, and as a result, he thinks his time with the organization is over after this season.
 
The Texans did spend sh!t ton of money to sign Old Oz, but at least they signed him in a way that only hurts us for two years financially but still locked him down if they hit good.

The salary cap hit will hurt next year but man this could have been so much worse. I think we are all so angry because of the high dollar figure but in reality it was a calculated risk that didn't pay off. With out risk there is no reward.
 
Big Lou said:
The Texans did spend sh!t ton of money to sign Old Oz, but at least they signed him in a way that only hurts us for two years financially but still locked him down if they hit good.

The salary cap hit will hurt next year but man this could have been so much worse. I think we are all so angry because of the high dollar figure but in reality it was a calculated risk that didn't pay off. With out risk there is no reward.
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It's a big number. I guess that's why people are all over it. I don't think it's a big deal, Especially if Savage plays well enough to earn the starting job next season. We needed to do something. They took a shot. Whether it's Savage starting or Osweiler, we're paying the same money in 2017. The wrong one is getting it maybe, but it's practically a wash.

What I'm glad we didn't do, is trade away several draft picks for a guy we didn't feel good about starting in lieu of Case Keenum.

I'm glad we didn't spend the #1 overall on Blake Bortles in lieu of Jadeveon Clowney.
 
My first thought on Sunday when I saw Savage had come in was one of curiosity. I didn't watch the play that got Osweiler benched. I thought at the time cleaning the bathroom was more important than watching the same **** on the field.

From my eye test, I found myself no longer "subconsciously bobsledding" as I watched the game. You know what I'm talking about, moving your body in hopes the ball would find the right spot. That to me said a lot about Osweiler. We kept hoping and wishing for too much out of a basketball player who wanted to play football.

One of my massage clients, a huge Oregon Ducks alumni, watched Osweiler during his college years and thought the guy was less than stellar. I won't use her words but I think you know what she said. He's a basketball player that did just enough to play quarterback in college and just enough to be a back up in the NFL.

I'm ready to move on. Not sure how Rick will get him off the roster, but I would imagine he's talking to some less fortunate teams right now.
 
Wolfiegrrl said:
I'm ready to move on. Not sure how Rick will get him off the roster, but I would imagine he's talking to some less fortunate teams right now.
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I never thought much of Osweiler.

That said, our search for a franchise QB is far from over. This may be the opportunity that Tom Savage needed. I think he made some bad decisions in college that kept him from being on the field. But when he was on the field, he played well. Earned a scholarship & starting spot at Pittsburgh. & played very well at the end of the year compared to the beginning of the year.

However, if not. I'm fine with Osweiler taking some time off, seeing how the offense is supposed to be ran & waiting for his next opportunity here. I thought he made sound decisions all year. Just not the best decisions... as far as where the ball needs to go. & for whatever reason he's not clicked with Hopkins. That all may change over the offseason.
 
I think Osweiler would have value as a possession receiver. Imagine trying to cover a 6'8" basketball star on a jump ball. He ain't no QB but let's move him over and try him in the slot or at TE.
 
Seegara said:
I think Osweiler would have value as a possession receiver. Imagine trying to cover a 6'8" basketball star on a jump ball. He ain't no QB but let's move him over and try him in the slot or at TE.
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LoL
Dude would never be open.
No foot speed and I question his hops

And what about his hands (of course they can't be too much worse than Will Fuller's :D)
 
ObsiWan said:
LoL
Dude would never be open.
No foot speed and I question his hops

And what about his hands (of course they can't be too much worse than Will Fuller's :D)
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QB's take long snaps consistently and have to have good hands.
 
TexansBull said:
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2016/12/21/bill-obrien-we-have-not-given-up-on-brock-osweiler/
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I don't really care for how they framed the situation.

Houston (CBS HOUSTON) – The Houston Texans are looking to Saturday night as an opportunity to see what 3rd-year quarterback Tom Savage has as a potential starting quarterback for the franchise.
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I thought O'b was pretty clear when he said he believes Savage gives us a better chance to win. To me that clearly says they believe Savage can be a starting QB in this league.

The question is can he be a special QB in this league. There are plenty of starting QBs in this league that can not win in big situations & that's what we need. I know watching Brock the last 13 games, it doesn't appear that he can be special. But I think the argument can be made. For all we know the pressure of being the man & living up to a $72M contract when everyone is saying you can't do it, weighed too heavily on Brock.

Getting busted back may be the thing Brock needed to get his head straight.

Maybe watching Savage run the offense for a couple of games will help Brock see how it's supposed to run.

Maybe Savage gets hurt & can't finish the divisional playoff game & Brock comes in like Fitz did after seeing Mallett.

I know he's not a rookie. I know he wasn't our first round pick. But just like I don't expect the Broncos to give up on Lynch, I don't expect the Texans to give up on Brock. The difference, I'll probably give Lynch 3 to 5 years. Brock only gets two.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's a big number. I guess that's why people are all over it. I don't think it's a big deal, Especially if Savage plays well enough to earn the starting job next season. We needed to do something. They took a shot. Whether it's Savage starting or Osweiler, we're paying the same money in 2017. The wrong one is getting it maybe, but it's practically a wash.

What I'm glad we didn't do, is trade away several draft picks for a guy we didn't feel good about starting in lieu of Case Keenum.

I'm glad we didn't spend the #1 overall on Blake Bortles in lieu of Jadeveon Clowney.
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I totally disagree.

Spending a good chunk of money on a non-proven QB can set the team back, in this day and age.

The additional problem with O'Brien is that he's not strong enough to fight for his guy, Tom Savage.

Granted, even OB probably didn't realize then that Savage had taken another step.

I still don't agree that a HC with offense background would sign off on the deal to obtain Osweiler, especially when the GM comes from a defensive background.

The handling of the QB situation should be O'Brien's task in his third year.

He was allowed to bring in guys who have had experience in a similar system (as far as concept and terminology), from Fitz to Hoyer and Mallet.
Even Osweiler had experience under Gase in Denver (before Kubiak).
 
TexansBull said:
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2016/12/21/bill-obrien-we-have-not-given-up-on-brock-osweiler/
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I thought this quote was telling

“Every conversation you have with your boss and your general manager starts with the truth,” O’Brien said. “You try make sure you listen to the question, you listen to the conversation, you do not interrupt when the boss is talking and then when it’s your turn to speak you tell the truth. These decisions are tough. It’s not about one guy, but (quarterback) is a very critical position but any conversation that happens in the organization I’ll keep between us but, Seth, the big thing is you can look at yourself in the mirror at night as long as you’ve spoken your mind and spoken the truth.”
 
JB said:
I thought this quote was telling
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Most likely some dissension among the ranks going on. I wouldn't imagine that it's a good feeling to write fat checks to someone riding the pine but McNair needs to put his big boy pants on and see that things weren't working.

BoB is in a tough spot. Everything's good if Savage plays well, but this could be a huge mess if he doesn't. Savage has a lot on his shoulders right now. Hopefully he handles it well.
 
JB said:
I thought this quote was telling

“Every conversation you have with your boss and your general manager starts with the truth,” O’Brien said. “You try make sure you listen to the question, you listen to the conversation, you do not interrupt when the boss is talking and then when it’s your turn to speak you tell the truth. These decisions are tough. It’s not about one guy, but (quarterback) is a very critical position but any conversation that happens in the organization I’ll keep between us but, Seth, the big thing is you can look at yourself in the mirror at night as long as you’ve spoken your mind and spoken the truth.”
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The video I had posted much earlier in the season had O'Brien saying that he needs to work with Osweiler to "not holding on to the ball too long" showed me enough.

A HC, especially as an offensive coach, in his third year, should have the say about the QB of his choice.

This is the guy that will run his system, not Rick Smith's.

That's part of the reason why I said O'Brien is a mediocre HC (not a bad one).

,I can understand his first year; maybe second.
But the third year was a real turn-off.

Nobody knows what the offense was going to be like (and it's the opposite of making it legitimate.)

O'Brien bounced around too much.
As I've said with the Mallet's signing that you would need receivers with big/strong mitts.

He saddled himself with indecisiveness as how to build a team .

I like his X's and O's, but politics is probably not his strong point either.

Coupled that with how the team look so unprepared in a few games every year, I can't help but to be critical.

HC in the NFL is also a stressful occupation. Managing millionaires, soon-to-be millionaires, upcoming millionaires, wannabee millionaires, etc. is not easy.

It requires much more than X's and O's skills, IMHO.
 
JB said:
I thought this quote was telling

“Every conversation you have with your boss and your general manager starts with the truth,” O’Brien said. “You try make sure you listen to the question, you listen to the conversation, you do not interrupt when the boss is talking and then when it’s your turn to speak you tell the truth. These decisions are tough. It’s not about one guy, but (quarterback) is a very critical position but any conversation that happens in the organization I’ll keep between us but, Seth, the big thing is you can look at yourself in the mirror at night as long as you’ve spoken your mind and spoken the truth.”
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OB is the new guy fighting for legitimacy. Just like Rick Smith had to with Gary and McNair. He is the odd man out.
 
JB said:
I thought this quote was telling

“Every conversation you have with your boss and your general manager starts with the truth,” O’Brien said. “You try make sure you listen to the question, you listen to the conversation, you do not interrupt when the boss is talking and then when it’s your turn to speak you tell the truth. These decisions are tough. It’s not about one guy, but (quarterback) is a very critical position but any conversation that happens in the organization I’ll keep between us but, Seth, the big thing is you can look at yourself in the mirror at night as long as you’ve spoken your mind and spoken the truth.”
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I'd like to know what that "truth" is.

Did he tell them Osweiler sux? Did he tell them Savage gives us a better chance to win now? Did he tell them we're screwed either way, might as well punt?

That the HC answers to the owner/GM.... nothing new there. I bet Shanahan & Gruden had to explain their decisions with Snyder. No doubt Jason Garrett explains the big decisions with his boss. I bet Chip Kelly has to explain everything he does in San Francisco & I'm sure Jim Harbaugh discussed at least the big decisions with his bosses in San Francisco.

Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, not so much.
 
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Seegara said:
I think Osweiler would have value as a possession receiver. Imagine trying to cover a 6'8" basketball star on a jump ball. He ain't no QB but let's move him over and try him in the slot or at TE.
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I'm just stoned enough to almost take that seriously. :lol:
 
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