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Offense........it is starting to click.

gpshafer_1976 said:
Nobody got seriously hurt. We're heading into the last game with our current starters and our entire defensive line and LB rotation healthy.

Be happy.

Hallelujah to that fact. We did get through this preseason without any huge injuries. Mathis and DD were hurt before preseason. So that is one thing we can take out of the preseason, better luck wiht injuries. Now if your looking for competent QB play, you would still be looking....
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
It's not to see if DAVID can do it...it's to see what effect it has/had on the opposing defense. It MIGHT be (hold on to something, ok?) to see if Lundy can catch the ball consistently. After all, he coughed one up in the game...and he has been knocked for fumbling it earlier in camp.

Why is it that we are focused on EVERYTHING being geared toward "helping David," or "Getting David up to speed"? Could it be, and I know this is a real stretch for some of you, could it be that we designed multiple throws to the RB to evaluate the RB, or to evaluate the effect it had on the defense, to see if it would open up stuff downfield.

But nope, it's always got SOMETHING to do with David, doesn't it?

You'd think this team is just David Carr. What about Alfred Malone costing us the game by lining up over center? What about Chad Stanley shanking a punt that went 33 yards? What about all the other things that the other players ARE or ARE NOT doing that they "ought to be" or "should not be" doing? Every game there are players who make bad plays, and players who make good plays. Honestly, preseason does stink because it's not really a "full game" where we go from start to finish with the starters to see how it would really end up at the final tick of the clock. We played hard. We got away without injuries. And we lost by three points to a Broncos team that was a win away from the SUper Bowl last season...and added Javon Walker (and has arguably the best LB crew in the AFC).

It's as if we're judging this whole team, or at least the offense, on David Carr. There's 10 other guys on every snap that must also be performing excellently. As in: Moulds actually SPRINTING to the deep pass instead of jogging. And if that's his "high gear," then we're in trouble. As in: Daniels false starting and blowing us a shorter 4th down conversion attempt. Had we made the first, could we have gone on to score a TD? We'll never know.

Be happy.

Mr. Apologist, Malone and Stanley arent paid franchise QB money. That is why you wont hear about people complaining about those plays as much. Anyways, this thread is about the offense not ST and defense. If some of you would get your tongue out of David's mouth long enough, you may realize that yourself. I want to win and I want the Texans to progress, and I have come to the realization that it isnt' going to happen with Pretty Boy at QB.

doug
 
Hulk75 said:
The Bush thing was ment for a joke big dog. And the play I am talking about is not the one you think, I am talking about the throw to him were he looked like he was running out of bounds then stopped and then spun for 2 more yards.
Carr only looked sharp against the second team?.........Well hate to burst your bubble but their 1st team D was in just as long as our O was........Unless Champ Lynch and Darrent change #s with someone else.
Kooliad? or Truth.

I remember that play. The defender was laughing after that play.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Umm, I dont know, maybe the fact that he played poorly and has been all preseason, just like last year. But I guess we will hear the same lame excuses you homers gave last year. 'It's just preseason, wah wah wah'. Admit that he sucks one day, its all I ask, because anyone who has seen football knows he is not a good NFL quarterback, he is a workout warrior and a flatliner when it comes to football IQ and acumen

doug ftw

LOL.

A billionaire and seven head coaching candidates who applied for the job, one of which has coached big-time QBs to Super Bowl wins, think David Carr is salvageable...but Doug from the Woodlands and "anybody who has seen football," as he claims, can see that he "sucks."

We look better. Period. And we have a guy, whom I admit is looking good too, who can stand in when needed.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
LOL.

A billionaire and seven head coaching candidates who applied for the job, one of which has coached big-time QBs to Super Bowl wins, think David Carr is salvageable...but Doug from the Woodlands and "anybody who has seen football," as he claims, can see that he "sucks."

We look better. Period. And we have a guy, whom I admit is looking good too, who can stand in when needed.

Carr has sucked, is sucking, and will continue to suck. There is a reason Al Saunders isnt our head coach. He knew what a pile of garbage Carr was, is, and will be...and that is why he is making more $ as asst. headcoach and off. coordinator of the Redskins than Kubes is as Texans HC.

As for 'we look better'. I agree with that and it looks like we got a heart transplant for our team, but this albatross of Carr has got to go before we can be a legitimate NFL franchise. The Carr experiment is over and is an abject failure....for some reason I bet if Carr was an African-American half of you would be calling for him to be dropped like a rock.....not surprising that yall are all probably McKKKLane Astro fans as well.....

btw if any of you are watching Carson Palmer play QB, you would see what a real QB looks like even after surgery, not a lot of work in preseason, and LOADS of pressure. This kumbaya (sic) schtick that yall pull out for Carr is just embarassing as a fellow fan. You may not like my opinion but I just want what is best for our team...and that would be to drop the hammer on Carr and turn page on that chapter. Of course 2-14 was a year ago and you must have forgotten how bad it was...well if Carr looks like he has his entire career expect more of the same in teh future with him at the helm.

doug from teh woodlands

p.s. keep the negative rep flowing. i call it like i see it and just because I dont drink the koolaid doesnt make me any less of a fan than half you homers.

doug
 
Hulk75 said:
I tell you what, if this was a complete game, we win this sucker. Our Offense was picking up speed and was clicking starting right before the half and it carried on into the 3rd..............Our Defense was salty all night.

Carr looked very good and was throwing the ball with accuracy and with smart possition of the football.You have to remeber that this is a new system for this guy and the team, he looked a little unsure the last 2 games, BUT last night it looked like it started to fire and started to click in Carr.AND this was against Denvers 1st D:cool: . At the beginning when they were doing bad, the sideline lady ask kubiak about the start of the football game and he said that, "We did not give him good calls to work with". And that ball had some hot sauce on it last night. Going trough his progressions nicely as well.

Vernond Morency looked awsome, would you guys agree? Did you see the Reggie Bushness come out:shades: when he was heading toward the sideline? But really I thought he played well.

Oline played well accept for one wiegert play:crying: , but all together they played as a group.Spencer is our new starting LT, the guy is a beast and we need to get his name out there.

Owen Daniels looked good catching that ball from Carr rolling out. And thank you for jumping on the ball Owen.

E-Weeeeeez-E-Eric Moulds..........Love how this guy plays and is taking to his roll without complaining. Did very well..............EXCEPT on the deep ball, did it look like he started off the ball for about 6 yards jogging? It did to me, and just like Starling Sharpe said "You will never know how well that ball was thrown, cause it looked like Moulds lost a step."

Defense did a great job a great job considering who we were playing and how tough there Offense was and is.

All around rest all our starters next week, cause we got it clicking down here and I am pumped about our season, I think we are going to be a surprise, a big surprise this year.

It'll be like a wrench was thrown in it after week 1.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Carr has sucked, is sucking, and will continue to suck. There is a reason Al Saunders isnt our head coach. He knew what a pile of garbage Carr was, is, and will be...and that is why he is making more $ as asst. headcoach and off. coordinator of the Redskins than Kubes is as Texans HC.

The same Al Saunders that put up a big fat 0 points against the Patriots, 3 against the Bengals, and 14 against the Jets? If only Kubiak were such a winner.

Not sure what you're drinking but you should check the content for hallucinogens. P.S. Washington is known for overpaying ... everybody.
 
jerek said:
The same Al Saunders that put up a big fat 0 points against the Patriots, 3 against the Bengals, and 14 against the Jets? If only Kubiak were such a winner.

Not sure what you're drinking but you should check the content for hallucinogens. P.S. Washington is known for overpaying ... everybody.

Al Saunders has been the orchestrator of some of the best scoring offenses in hte last decade. He, like Kubiak, is presently saddled with poor quarterbacks and a new system to implement.. Carr however has sucked non-stop since he came into this league....Don't even try and insinuate that I think Kubiak sucks. He has already made a difference in just a few months and I like the guy. I even think he could lead us to the playoffs but not with Carr at QB.

When we are circling the drain at 1-7 midseason will some of you homers call for a change at QB? What does it take? 2-14 wasnt enough. Do we have to go 1-15 or 0-16 for you guys to wake up and smell the garbage at the QB position? When is enough enough? What will it take? I thought some of you would wake up after 4 straight years of cr*p at QB....obviously I overestimated some of you....

p.s. thanks for the negative and positive rep.

doug :stirpot:
 
true and Dom had some pretty good defenses on his resume, yet w/the Texans we hit a defensive ranking of 31 last season.

:stirpot:
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
LOL.

A billionaire and seven head coaching candidates who applied for the job, one of which has coached big-time QBs to Super Bowl wins, think David Carr is salvageable...but Doug from the Woodlands and "anybody who has seen football," as he claims, can see that he "sucks."

We look better. Period. And we have a guy, whom I admit is looking good too, who can stand in when needed.


If we have to "simplify" things to help David get off to a start, think of it as the beginning of the end...... because I think that's what we've been doing for the last 2 years.
 
look guys after 5yrs. of david carr at the helm the only conclusion you can come to is that carr is garbage. enough excuses about the o-line, play calling its only been 5yrs hes gona get better..... give me a break.. lets look at reality and actually watch his play. after every game on this board there are homers making excuses and coming up with reasons for his below average play. i have the answer for the reason of his below average play and that is he is a below average qb. its looking like we are gonna have to use that first round pick on a qb next yr.. maybe we can land brady quinn or another college stud as long as we dont take another d-lineman in the first round again.was hoping for peterson... but thats right in this system we dont need to use a high pick on rb...hate to say it but maybe we should trade andre johnson, this guy can be a great receiver but with carr here the guy is never gonna be able to take his game to superstar level. maybe we should just do him a favor and send him to a team with a legit qb.
 
cbnjwill said:
look guys after 5yrs. of david carr at the helm the only conclusion you can come to is that carr is garbage. enough excuses about the o-line, play calling its only been 5yrs hes gona get better..... give me a break.. lets look at reality and actually watch his play. after every game on this board there are homers making excuses and coming up with reasons for his below average play. i have the answer for the reason of his below average play and that is he is a below average qb. its looking like we are gonna have to use that first round pick on a qb next yr.. maybe we can land brady quinn or another college stud as long as we dont take another d-lineman in the first round again.was hoping for peterson... but thats right in this system we dont need to use a high pick on rb...hate to say it but maybe we should trade andre johnson, this guy can be a great receiver but with carr here the guy is never gonna be able to take his game to superstar level. maybe we should just do him a favor and send him to a team with a legit qb.

:hmmm: remind me because my memory is fuzzy, who threw AJ the ball in 2004 when AJ made the probowl?
 
Wolf said:
:hmmm: remind me because my memory is fuzzy, who threw AJ the ball in 2004 when AJ made the probowl?

he was added as an alternate first off, and he got the nod mainly because he actually put up numbers even though Carr was his QB. The other players in the league realized that. How many screens did AJ turn into big plays that year? It sure wasnt cause of who threw it to him. He got to the PB that year for a variety of reasons, none of which was Carr.

doug
 
cbnjwill said:
look guys after 5yrs. of david carr at the helm the only conclusion you can come to is that carr is garbage. enough excuses about the o-line, play calling its only been 5yrs hes gona get better..... give me a break.. lets look at reality and actually watch his play.

What kind of offense would you like to run........ seriously.

what kind of QB do you want.

I think most of our problem with Carr, is that we want him to be something he isn't. While I like a good running game, I also like the big game explosiveness of a StL-KurtWarner-Run&Shoot-WCO style offense. We've got the recievers for it, and the Runningback.... but we don't have the QB.

I'll take the Denver running game with their big play opportunities.... on paper, David looks like the right guy for that..

but on game day, since he seems to perform better with a no huddle, in a 2 minute situation..... we may need to run a Warren Moon style run & shoot. I can see David running that O.

but again, what is it that you would like to see
 
Vinny said:
Here is Carr on 3rd down this preseason. He has passed 10 times and converted ZERO 3rd downs into 1st downs.

3-5-HOU40 (9:54) D.Carr pass short middle to E.Moulds to HST 44 for 4 yards (D.Johnson, P.Surtain).
3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon).
3-10-HOU29 (9:37) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
3-11-STL19 (3:24) D.Carr sacked at SL 28 for -9 yards (C.Chavous). FUMBLES (C.Chavous), touched at SL 28, RECOVERED by SL-C.Chavous at SL 30. C.Chavous to SL 41 for 11 yards (F.Weary). Play Challenged by HST and REVERSED. D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson [C.Chavous].
3-7-HOU42 (13:52) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
3-7-HOU35 (4:44) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson (D.Groce).
3-4-50 (6:44) D.Carr sacked at 50 for 0 yards (K.Lang). FUMBLES (K.Lang), touched at DEN 48, ball out of bounds at HST 44.
3-4-HOU48 (3:22) D.Carr sacked at HST 41 for -7 yards (E.Ekuban).
3-8-DEN40 (1:13) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to DEN 35 for 5 yards (DJ.Williams).
3-5-DEN11 (:12) D.Carr spiked the ball to stop the clock.


thats the stats I was looking for. It proves DC chokes when the pressure is on. like to see his career stats on 3rd ,4th down and 4th quarter.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
he was added as an alternate first off, and he got the nod mainly because he actually put up numbers even though Carr was his QB. The other players in the league realized that. How many screens did AJ turn into big plays that year? It sure wasnt cause of who threw it to him. He got to the PB that year for a variety of reasons, none of which was Carr.

doug

wow,just wow

2004 Palmer and staff ran an offense that utilized AJ's size and speed, we got him the ball in slants and stuff, well for some reason the Texans made a Mike Tice-like statement, we will get AJ more involved and move him around and take advantage of mismatches..well I don't know where that philosophy went because AJ was catching balls that were comeback routes and hooks (not utilizing his speed and strength like in 2004)

Here is to 2004 like season for AJ.
:cowboy1:
 
CaptainPatriot said:
thats the stats I was looking for. It proves DC chokes when the pressure is on. like to see his career stats on 3rd ,4th down and 4th quarter.


not to defend Carr,because I am in belief with any QB in the NFL, having a good TE helps on the 3rd down plays, this is the first season we have some legit TE's. I do expect the 3rd down percentage to improve this season and if it doesn't, we will be in for a long season.
 
cbnjwill said:
look guys after 5yrs. of david carr at the helm the only conclusion you can come to is that carr is garbage.

Obviously, that's not the only conclusion you can come to. Lots of us are looking at the same things you are and coming to a totally different conclusion.
 
thunderkyss said:
What kind of offense would you like to run........ seriously.

what kind of QB do you want.

but on game day, since he seems to perform better with a no huddle, in a 2 minute situation..... we may need to run a Warren Moon style run & shoot. I can see David running that O.

but again, what is it that you would like to see

Thunder, all I want to see is some wins. I don't care if we run the freaking wishbone or veer offense, I just want some wins.

As for Carr running a Moon run&shoot style offense, he isn't nearly enough cerebral to do that. Moon always seemed to choke when the money was on the line but that dude could read a defense very well and was a very smart quarterback. Carr has trouble making reads and struggles delivering the football to his RB much less 5 wideouts like Moon did.

BTW Congrats to Moon on getting into the Hall Of Fame. Statistically deserving for sure but even more so as being a pioneer for African-American's at the Quarterback position in the NFL.
 
Wolf said:
not to defend Carr,because I am in belief with any QB in the NFL, having a good TE helps on the 3rd down plays, this is the first season we have some legit TE's. I do expect the 3rd down percentage to improve this season and if it doesn't, we will be in for a long season.

Good point on the whole TE aspect. Still kinda an excuse but at least one that is legit and valid. We have never had a good TE but havent seen Carr do much to Putzier in this preseason....here is to hoping that change.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Carr has sucked, is sucking, and will continue to suck. There is a reason Al Saunders isnt our head coach. He knew what a pile of garbage Carr was, is, and will be...and that is why he is making more $ as asst. headcoach and off. coordinator of the Redskins than Kubes is as Texans HC.
As for 'we look better'. I agree with that and it looks like we got a heart transplant for our team, but this albatross of Carr has got to go before we can be a legitimate NFL franchise. The Carr experiment is over and is an abject failure....for some reason I bet if Carr was an African-American half of you would be calling for him to be dropped like a rock.....not surprising that yall are all probably McKKKLane Astro fans as well.....

btw if any of you are watching Carson Palmer play QB, you would see what a real QB looks like even after surgery, not a lot of work in preseason, and LOADS of pressure. This kumbaya (sic) schtick that yall pull out for Carr is just embarassing as a fellow fan. You may not like my opinion but I just want what is best for our team...and that would be to drop the hammer on Carr and turn page on that chapter. Of course 2-14 was a year ago and you must have forgotten how bad it was...well if Carr looks like he has his entire career expect more of the same in teh future with him at the helm.

doug from teh woodlands

p.s. keep the negative rep flowing. i call it like i see it and just because I dont drink the koolaid doesnt make me any less of a fan than half you homers.

doug

You can run but you can't hide...I wish you would quit changing your header, it keeps throwing off my ignore list. I think this will be your third incarnation.

Do you read this trash before you click the submit reply icon? I really can not see how you can call yourself a fan of this team.

"There is much anger in him, like his father"

Go read Kubiaks "Monday Presser" and his thoughts on Carr's performance. I guess you and all the other "Haters" will stereotype Kubiak as a "Carr Homer/Apologist" now.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Obviously, that's not the only conclusion you can come to. Lots of us are looking at the same things you are and coming to a totally different conclusion.

It's the Cougar in you. You are used to supporting subpar football programs so I am not surprised you draw a different conclusion than some of us, geez the Texans must seem like the Steel Curtain-era Steelers to you when compared to Cougar High.

doug ftw
 
CajunTexan said:
You can run but you can't hide...I wish you would quit changing your header, it keeps throwing off my ignore list. I think this will be your third incarnation.

Do you read this trash before you click the submit reply icon? I really can not see how you can call yourself a fan of this team.

"There is much anger in him, like his father"

Go read Kubiaks "Monday Presser" and his thoughts on Carr's performance. I guess you and all the other "Haters" will stereotype Kubiak as a "Carr Homer" now.

Why am I not surprised your cajun? Don't you have a possum to fry up for dinner or something?

As for Kubes, what do you expect him to say? He claimed he can fix the jalopy so I don't think he is going to admit he was wrong Week 3 of Carr....it's just that for some us this is Week 79 of 'Life With Carr'.......
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Why am I not surprised your cajun? Don't you have a possum to fry up for dinner or something?
As for Kubes, what do you expect him to say? He claimed he can fix the jalopy so I don't think he is going to admit he was wrong Week 3 of Carr....it's just that for some us this is Week 79 of 'Life With Carr'.......

Damn, that is clever. Thanks for validating the post. (You have had enough "Jack and coke" tonight, put it down and go to bed before you're banned again)

I expect Kubiak to do what he has been doing since he has arrived, telling it like it is. If and when he has seen enough, that will be good for me.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
As for Kubes, what do you expect him to say? He claimed he can fix the jalopy so I don't think he is going to admit he was wrong Week 3 of Carr....it's just that for some us this is Week 79 of 'Life With Carr'.......


It's hard to have a complete overhaul on Carr in only 6 months. What we know so far, he starts off slow. If Kubiak can get Carr to start off a game like he is in the third or fourth series, watch out for this team.
 
thunderkyss said:
What kind of offense would you like to run........ seriously.

what kind of QB do you want.

I think most of our problem with Carr, is that we want him to be something he isn't. While I like a good running game, I also like the big game explosiveness of a StL-KurtWarner-Run&Shoot-WCO style offense. We've got the recievers for it, and the Runningback.... but we don't have the QB.

I'll take the Denver running game with their big play opportunities.... on paper, David looks like the right guy for that..

but on game day, since he seems to perform better with a no huddle, in a 2 minute situation..... we may need to run a Warren Moon style run & shoot. I can see David running that O.

but again, what is it that you would like to see

JMO that Carr always plays better when we run an aggressive O. It will take a little time still to work the Pendry out of him but I think we're starting to see what he's capable of.
 
Like I've said in countless other threads, the problem starts up front on both offense as well as defense. Our O-linehas been the achilles heel of the organization ever since the birth of the Texans. Carr can and will never be able to throw deep routes and sit in the pocket like Palmer did tonight, because he has no trust in his O-line. And should he, hell no! They are improving much more than any year prior to this year, but will still make mistakes and leaving Carr on his ***. Until either Wand or Spencer step up their game in hte pass protection department there will be no real progress Carr will be able to make as the season goes but and the franchise finally relizes it's time for a dominant LT that can do it all. The whole package in pass protectioon AND run game. Don't get me wrong I believe Sherman can make Wand a better LT, but at his best he might only be a servicable back up. And As much as I like that kid Spencer, he does ahve the footwork it takes to be a top/dominant LT. He's strong as hell though in nthe upper body and would probably be better suited at the guard postion. Whenever Plummer headed over to Denver he had an O-line that was in place to protect him and they used the bootlegs or rollouts to broaden his game and give it a different dimension. Where Carr is use bootlegs and rollouts primarily to save his life, because our O-line is still the weakest link on the team.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
There is a reason Al Saunders isnt our head coach.

Yes there is--because McNair didn't want him as the head coach. You have repeated this numerous times with zero support. The only public statements out there are that every coach, that would include your precious Al, said they could win with Carr. Fine they may all have been lying, bad judgment, whatever, but he is in the same group.
 
The offense is starting to 'click'. Carr could look better, and I hope he will. I'm behind him 100%. I don't know how long his rope is going to be, but I think the Kubiak and Sherman offense is either going to vindicate Carr or bury him.
 
I want to know when he is going to realize he has to get rid of the ball. Is he that bad at finding his receivers and deciding if they will be open? Good Grief he holds on to the ball way too long, and when he does he doesn't know what to do with the damn thing.
 
socalfan said:
I want to know when he is going to realize he has to get rid of the ball. Is he that bad at finding his receivers and deciding if they will be open? Good Grief he holds on to the ball way too long, and when he does he doesn't know what to do with the damn thing.


Personally, I think David has come a long way. He's still making some mistakes we'd rather not see him make, but from game to game, I believe he is making strides.

In KansasCity, I noticed David isn't running scared........ he's running, he's moving, but he's trying to make plays, and you gotta love him for that. He didn't leave the pocket early, he didn't succomb to any sacks, and he didn't "give up" on any play.

In StL, I noticed David kept his eyes downfield, even though the pocket was collapsing around him. He didn't see the defenders around him, but kept his attention where it should be.

In Denver, I noticed the Happy feet were gone (from David, I noticed Plummer still had happy feet, but Babin & Demeco were ringing his bell, so go figure). I think he's been showing improvement in his demeanor since the KC game. He's not as anxious at the start of the game........... he still has some calming down to do, don't get me wrong, but he is definitely getting better.

So far, his biggest weakness, IMHO, is that his internal clock seems to be wound a little tight. He's rushed a few throws. Now this, to me, doesn't contradict what I said earlier. His Composure, his "poise" is vastly improved. He's not playing scared. But sometimes, he is feeling and reacting to pressure that isn't their.

The KC game, the throw to Aj who was triple covered.

The StL game, the throw to the DB standing in front of Aj.

The Denver game, the throw to Owen Daniels in the first quarter. Owen never really got off his block, and as soon as he turned to try to run his pattern, the ball was in his helmet.

I don't fault David for the INT, where he tried to rifle the ball to Wali. That was a great play by M.Myers(96)...... who'd have thunk he was that fast. I don't think that was necessarily a Bad decision.

Like I said, I think it's his internal clock....... I could be wrong. But we need to find out what is going on inside his head, and fix it.

His other problem......... he doesn't seem to trust his recievers. So far though, they haven't given him reason to.
 
Wolf said:
not to defend Carr,because I am in belief with any QB in the NFL, having a good TE helps on the 3rd down plays, this is the first season we have some legit TE's. I do expect the 3rd down percentage to improve this season and if it doesn't, we will be in for a long season.





YEP, I'll give you this it is going to be a long season! DC had 3 games now to look for his (NEW) TE's. I don't understand how all of a sudden the skies are going to open up and DC is going to look for his TE's on 3rd down when the season starts. When he has a clock ticking in his head knowing he is about to be sacked at the site of the 1st D man to come next to him. Then panics and rolls out of the pocket out of control where he goes out of bounds or fumbles the football. Instead of stepping up into the pocket or moving laterally away from the pressure while still looking down field. Look at Palmer and Brady they are oblivious to the pass rush. Head always looking down field looking left to right scanning the whole field. I see Brady get hit a lot in the pocket during a game. But he waits till the last second for the WR or TE to get that little opening just as a Blitzing LB sticks him in the chest! I don’t see that in DC.
All those previous sacks have him gun shy! Next time on 3rd down if the Camera has a close up of DC.Look at his eyes. Looks like a Deer in Head Lights. The D sees it also. D knows when they see fear in a QB’s eyes! Why do you think D's Blitz DC like crazy?
 
Hulk75 said:
I tell you what, if this was a complete game, we win this sucker. Our Offense was picking up speed and was clicking starting right before the half and it carried on into the 3rd..............Our Defense was salty all night.

Carr looked very good and was throwing the ball with accuracy and with smart possition of the football.You have to remeber that this is a new system for this guy and the team, he looked a little unsure the last 2 games, BUT last night it looked like it started to fire and started to click in Carr.AND this was against Denvers 1st D:cool: . At the beginning when they were doing bad, the sideline lady ask kubiak about the start of the football game and he said that, "We did not give him good calls to work with". And that ball had some hot sauce on it last night. Going trough his progressions nicely as well.

Vernond Morency looked awsome, would you guys agree? Did you see the Reggie Bushness come out:shades: when he was heading toward the sideline? But really I thought he played well.

Oline played well accept for one wiegert play:crying: , but all together they played as a group.Spencer is our new starting LT, the guy is a beast and we need to get his name out there.

Owen Daniels looked good catching that ball from Carr rolling out. And thank you for jumping on the ball Owen.

E-Weeeeeez-E-Eric Moulds..........Love how this guy plays and is taking to his roll without complaining. Did very well..............EXCEPT on the deep ball, did it look like he started off the ball for about 6 yards jogging? It did to me, and just like Starling Sharpe said "You will never know how well that ball was thrown, cause it looked like Moulds lost a step."

Defense did a great job a great job considering who we were playing and how tough there Offense was and is.

All around rest all our starters next week, cause we got it clicking down here and I am pumped about our season, I think we are going to be a surprise, a big surprise this year.

:tease: Are we watching the same Texans team? Maybe you are watching their big brothers, the Broncos. But the Texans I saw continue the three-and-out/turnover doldrums.
 
SESupergenius said:
Man you are ruthless with Carr. He by far was not spectacular last night (either was Andre Johnson), but he was decent. He actually threw to TE's and settled down a bit. We had some really good long drives that led to scores (no TD's however) I'm not panicking on Carr as I know it will take a little time for him to click with this type of offense (notice he Kubiak didn't really rip him for the slow start).


I don't understand. How DC needs more time to click. When Sage is clicking already with 2nd and 3rd string. The long drives you are talking about. Is 1 of them with 2 minutes in the half and the Bronco D was in prevent? And the other when the 2nd string D came in on DC's last drive? DC had his chance on the 1st drive on 3rd down. Look what happened? He panicked fumbling out of bounds. KUB should ripped him for that! Did DC have a 1st down before the last 2 minutes of the half?
 
CaptainPatriot said:
Next time on 3rd down if the Camera has a close up of DC.Look at his eyes. Looks like a Deer in Head Lights. The D sees it also. D knows when they see fear in a QB’s eyes! Why do you think D's Blitz DC like crazy?

I don't think there is a defensive coordinator in the league that is concerned about Carr burning them with the deep ball. Which contributes to the blitzing issue, defensive coordinators are going to bring the heat because the odds are in their favor they will not get burned for doing so.
 
...just sit back and relax and enjoy the games--we'll know soon enough if DC is the 'man.' How many games did Capers get last year before all the:homer: 's disappeared from the boards (some still have not come back)? Time will settle this arguement...
 
Second Honeymoon said:
It's the Cougar in you. You are used to supporting subpar football programs so I am not surprised you draw a different conclusion than some of us, geez the Texans must seem like the Steel Curtain-era Steelers to you when compared to Cougar High.

doug ftw

All of these things are cyclical. No one stays on top forever. We were up there near the top for a long time. I remember my Cougars down 40-20 to the Horns going into the 4th quarter, scoring 40 and winning 60-40. That was a great freaking game. :)

We got killed because of recruiting violations and we haven't recovered, yet. We might never recover. But I'm not giving up home.
 
Lance Z from SR 610 sent an email tonight, and it pretty much agrees with my take, and I thought I would share it:

David Carr is scaring me. I know he has the tools to be a good NFL QB but I just don't see Carr display the mindset of a good NFL QB. Carr is clearly rushing to get rid of the ball and he just doesn't do a great job of buying himself time by moving around in the pocket while keeping his eyes on his WRs. When Carr is sensing pressure, he has a tendency to dump down to RBs/FBs or just take off. If Carr is going to make in the NFL, he's going to have to develop more poise and he has to start to look down the field more than he has over the last year and a half.
 
tsip said:
...just sit back and relax and enjoy the games--we'll know soon enough if DC is the 'man.' How many games did Capers get last year before all the:homer: 's disappeared from the boards (some still have not come back)? Time will settle this arguement...

I'm telling you Capers will be back and he will succeed!!!!!!!!111111 :wacko:
 
Thats strange a Saints fan talking about another team not making the playoffs thats like calling the kettle black. Look let us worry about Carr you worry about your Saints D, wait I mean your team because we all know who will be picking first in next years draft and it's not the Texans. Can I get a amen from the bobbleheads.
 
Porky said:
Lance Z from SR 610 sent an email tonight, and it pretty much agrees with my take, and I thought I would share it:

David Carr is scaring me. I know he has the tools to be a good NFL QB but I just don't see Carr display the mindset of a good NFL QB. Carr is clearly rushing to get rid of the ball and he just doesn't do a great job of buying himself time by moving around in the pocket while keeping his eyes on his WRs. When Carr is sensing pressure, he has a tendency to dump down to RBs/FBs or just take off. If Carr is going to make in the NFL, he's going to have to develop more poise and he has to start to look down the field more than he has over the last year and a half.

I can undedrsrtand this point of view.... & I doubt there is anyone who seriously disagrees with the premise.

I've stated in my reviews of the game, where David is improving, and they are in many of the areas you are stating he needs improvement. The question, is how much improvement in those areas should we expect at this time.

He is looking downfield....... look at the sack from the StL game, and the roughing the passer call on the first play of that game...... David was looking where he needed to be looking, downfield.

ON every snap of the preseason, David has been looking for his recievers, and not looking for which OLman is getting beat the worst, something he had to do last year. He's rushed 2 throws that I count, and has only made 3 stupid throws........ and none of them, I think, were because he was scared...... like he was last year.

He is leaving the pocket when he gets in trouble, that much is true. I'd like to see him start to use the protection he is given, but for all the things he has improved on, I'm content in allowing more time for him to develope a pocket presence.

I'll admit, I wasn't always a Carr Hater. I was very impressed with him his first two years. One of the things I noticed during that time, was that he wasn't scared, even with all the sacks & hits he was taking. He's a tough kid. & when I say he is tough, I don't mean Timex tough... I think Leftwich is tough also, but he's pretty fragile at the same time.

When I say tough, I mean that you knock him down, and he pops up and says, "thankyou sir may I have another". I don't think it was till the end of 2004 that David realized he can't keep taking that kind of beating, and no one else was going to do anything about it. IMHO, that's when he started to play scared.

I think it's just a matter of time, before Carr will understand how to use the pocket, and how to beat the blitz........ So far, it appears that Kubiak has built a team that allows David to learn those things.

I believe he is playing better than he did last year....... I believe he has shown improvement in several areas from game to game.... I have no reason to believe he won't continue to get better in those other areas that we all know he needs to get better in.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Yep in 5 years ,he's really come a long way HUH!!!? I think you like to post all these Dreams so you can come back and feel good about DC when you read them...
Just remember one thing BROUSSARDSAINT says, and that DC sucks and you will not make it to the playoffs with him as you're QB..(stop finding Excuse after Excuse why DC was intercepted or did something wrong.)

it only took you guys six years to make a decision on Aaron Brooks.........

I agree with you 100%, that 5 years is a long time. I agree that most QBs don't get 5 years.... & I agree the Saints are going to finish at the bottom of the NFC South.

But those decisions were made without my input. & I can't do anything about that.

Looking Forward, David has improved from one game to the next. I don't see any reason to believe he won't continue to improve. He still has the talent, and the atlethicism to be a really good QB. Right now, it's a head game, and that is supposedly Kubiak's specialty. We'll see.
 
tsip said:
...so you knew that w/o looking back at a recording!!...good memory

Actually I did--it happens so rarely that we get 9 yds on the 1st play of the game and then a 1st on the 2nd that it stuck.
 
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